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Hello friends,
I'm in the same boat as many of you -- I purchased several Note 5's new from Verizon and then learned that they are not readily rootable....which prevents me from using their full functionality. Irritating.
I have a decent amount of experience with software development/reverse engineering/breaking things/making things work...but I've never messed around with phone firmware before. Usually I connect directly to the hardware chips via JTAG or similar to dump/upload the modified images. I don't really want to crack these sealed phones open though... surely there must be a way to dump/image the phone via the data port? I've read that Note 5 for other carriers are rootable, so how does dumping/uploading bins work for them? What is different about Verizon's model? Are they requiring digitally signed bins? Also I've seen a few people mention Knox....if Knox is tripped does it blow a fuse or can it be reset?
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Samsung Knox gets tripped and effectively bricks the device the second it detects root. It blows a fuse. Dead phone.
If you have to ask this question then rooting is not something you need! =D Coming from rooting every phone for the past 5 years, I haven't had a need to root this phone. Granted there are a few things NOT working because of verizon nit picking hsit in the build. Fonts not working for one, nothing that is really a deal breaker. I def dont miss the flashing of builds every week/month, keeping things updated and waiting on developers. Google is smart enough to listen to its consumers and for the most part every new build of android has vast improvements and functionality.. rooting for the most part will be so that you can control the hardware and do whatever you want with your phone, which I believe that is how it should be...i ve stuck with verizon because of the quality of service they provide. Awesome speeds, damn near accessible everywhere, havent had a dropped call in YEARS. But from a tech standpoint, they are a bit ridiculous when it comes to their hardware. I hope they release a line of phones that are rootable and still keep a "protected" option for those who dont want phones that can be tampered with by rooting, security issues, etc.. who knows.. but i wouldnt hold your breath waiting on root for this phone.. best bet is the note 7 coming out and hope a root is found.. but, I imagine its going to just get harder and harder for developers with encryption and new securities..
DaRkL3AD3R said:
Samsung Knox gets tripped and effectively bricks the device the second it detects root. It blows a fuse. Dead phone.
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Nah it doesn't brick the phone! That's just to scare the crap out of people and make them not even want to risk it period!
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ars0n said:
If you have to ask this question then rooting is not something you need! =D Coming from rooting every phone for the past 5 years, I haven't had a need to root this phone. Granted there are a few things NOT working because of verizon nit picking hsit in the build. Fonts not working for one, nothing that is really a deal breaker. I def dont miss the flashing of builds every week/month, keeping things updated and waiting on developers. Google is smart enough to listen to its consumers and for the most part every new build of android has vast improvements and functionality.. rooting for the most part will be so that you can control the hardware and do whatever you want with your phone, which I believe that is how it should be...i ve stuck with verizon because of the quality of service they provide. Awesome speeds, damn near accessible everywhere, havent had a dropped call in YEARS. But from a tech standpoint, they are a bit ridiculous when it comes to their hardware. I hope they release a line of phones that are rootable and still keep a "protected" option for those who dont want phones that can be tampered with by rooting, security issues, etc.. who knows.. but i wouldnt hold your breath waiting on root for this phone.. best bet is the note 7 coming out and hope a root is found.. but, I imagine its going to just get harder and harder for developers with encryption and new securities..
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Lol.. I was gonna say hmm, what should one do... HmMmm ... How about read around the the Verizon thread?! Because all those questions have already been answered!
ars0n said:
If you have to ask this question then rooting is not something you need! =D Coming from rooting every phone for the past 5 years, I haven't had a need to root this phone. Granted there are a few things NOT working because of Verizon nit picking hsit in the build. Fonts not working for one, nothing that is really a deal breaker. I def don't miss the flashing of builds every week/month, keeping things updated and waiting on developers. Google is smart enough to listen to its consumers and for the most part every new build of android has vast improvements and functionality.. rooting for the most part will be so that you can control the hardware and do whatever you want with your phone, which I believe that is how it should be...i've stuck with Verizon because of the quality of service they provide. Awesome speeds, damn near accessible everywhere, haven't had a dropped call in YEARS. But from a tech standpoint, they are a bit ridiculous when it comes to their hardware. I hope they release a line of phones that are rootable and still keep a "protected" option for those who don't want phones that can be tampered with by rooting, security issues, etc.. who knows.. but i wouldn't hold your breath waiting on root for this phone.. best bet is the note 7 coming out and hope a root is found.. but, I imagine its going to just get harder and harder for developers with encryption and new securities..
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I understand and agree about the flashing and dealing with the bugs on new roms. All I want is the ability to delete apps I don't want. I know debloaters are out there and they work and that's great and thanks to their developers. I think we are owned the freedom to delete what we don't want. It's like the cable companies sticking us with shows we never want or watch.
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I understand and agree about the flashing and dealing with the bugs on new roms. All I want is the ability to delete apps I don't want. I know debloaters are out there and they work and that's great and thanks to their developers. I think we are owned the freedom to delete what we don't want. It's like the cable companies sticking us with shows we never want or watch.
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I used to feel that way. I used to root every phone I got (if I could) just so I could use Titanium backup to first disable apps and then if I had no problems, uninstall them. Bu with my Note 5 I've concluded it would be a waste of time, even if I could do it. I use Package Disabler Pro (as do many on this forum) and no, it doesn't actually delete apps. They are still there taking up space. but they don't run and unless you are critically short of space, the actual space they consume is minimal. My only complaint against Pakcage Disabler is that I wish it worked on my Asus tablet. but alas, it only woks on Samsung devices.
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I used to feel that way. I used to root every phone I got (if I could) just so I could use Titanium backup to first disable apps and then if I had no problems, uninstall them. Bu with my Note 5 I've concluded it would be a waste of time, even if I could do it. I use Package Disabler Pro (as do many on this forum) and no, it doesn't actually delete apps. They are still there taking up space. but they don't run and unless you are critically short of space, the actual space they consume is minimal. My only complaint against Pakcage Disabler is that I wish it worked on my Asus tablet. but alas, it only woks on Samsung devices.
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Has anyone compared Package Disabler to Debloater?
Yeah, Package Disabler is the way to go (IMO). You don't need a computer as with Debloater. Don't get me wrong, Debloater is great, but it's nice being able to disable apps on the go. Not to mention, Package Disabler allows you to export your lists of disabled apps to an XML file, so you can simply import the list back if you need to (say, after a factory reset). Just my thoughts.
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So I guess both are good. I wish there am was a place or apply tell you if you needed certain apps or not.
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So I guess both are good. I wish there am was a place or apply tell you if you needed certain apps or not.
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Has anyone Hurd about rooting on the Verizon note 5 I've been reading and can't find much, is it possible to root yet. Sorry if it's been asked I'm completely new to Verizon
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Has anyone Hurd about rooting on the Verizon note 5 I've been reading and can't find much, is it possible to root yet. Sorry if it's been asked I'm completely new to Verizon
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It's not rooted yet. There is something in the works, but nothing yet. We haven't given up yet.
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Has anyone Hurd about rooting on the Verizon note 5 I've been reading and can't find much, is it possible to root yet. Sorry if it's been asked I'm completely new to Verizon
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no root buddy if ure on mm mm requires bootloader unlock to root and between att and verizon they have the tightest locked bootloader of them all
i got rid of my note 5 but it was the first device that wasnt make or break over root like other posters said get s package disabler and ure good
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no root buddy if ure on mm mm requires bootloader unlock to root and between att and verizon they have the tightest locked bootloader of them all
i got rid of my note 5 but it was the first device that wasnt make or break over root like other posters said get s package disabler and ure good
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What's a package disabler
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What's a package disabler
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it disables all the bloatware on ure note 5 even without root saves loads of battery and speeds up the device in my opinion
this one works by being a device administrator and it lets u disable tons more stuff than in the standard application manager on the device
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it disables all the bloatware on ure note 5 even without root saves loads of battery and speeds up the device in my opinion
this one works by being a device administrator and it lets u disable tons more stuff than in the standard application manager on the device
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Could you point me in the right direction to get it, and will that allow me to root the phone
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Could you point me in the right direction to get it, and will that allow me to root the phone
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there is no root for the verizon version yet things always change if ure looking to root find another device.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...m6g1sybczeFvN8Nq0-ekxg&bvm=bv.144224172,d.eWE
this is where ive always gotten is from
TheMadScientist420 said:
there is no root for the verizon version yet things always change if ure looking to root find another device.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...m6g1sybczeFvN8Nq0-ekxg&bvm=bv.144224172,d.eWE
this is where ive always gotten is from
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Thank you ill try it out
I soft bricked my Note 5 and then had problems flashing with ODIN. After I was able to flash though, the screen briefly showed an unlocked padlock. Is that typical? Is the bootloader rendered insecure when you upgrade for a brief window?
Morning all,
I have recently received my CAT S60 and I have to say, I am extremely pleased with the device out of the box. It is solid, extremely well built, battery life is amazing and camera quality is far better than the reviews led me to believe. Call quality is also the best I have ever had on any handset.
Unfortunately, I have never before owned a device without root. I have rooted most of my phones + installed a custom rom within a couple of days of opening the box. Sadly, this time round I've bought a less-popular device which is quite new and there is no existing support.
I am able to do most of the root-requiring functions with this phone (flashlight via button from locked, skip tracks with volume etc) using software workarounds, but I am already butting up against things that are pissing me off because I don't have system access, and I am so used to having it.
I've read horror stories about the lockdown function Qualcomm have applied to the 617 chips, but I now see that some phones with this chip have already been rooted (Motorola) so I am wondering, what are the chances that I will see root or a root exploit for this phone in the near future?
I'm not sure that I would sell the device over not being able to gain root, but it is really really annoying me.
I would be interested too. I couldnt even figure out how to set the s60 to downloadmode (If there is such a mode at all) to flash a custom recovery like twrp. Recoverymode is the usual volume up before poweron.
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I would be interested too. I couldnt even figure out how to set the s60 to downloadmode (If there is such a mode at all) to flash a custom recovery like twrp. Recoverymode is the usual volume up before poweron.
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Recovery mode is volume up and power button together for 3 to 4 seconds
There is a switch in developer options to allow bootloader to be unlocked. Maybe this, combined with factory recovery menu will set us free? Flash a modified factory rom with root enabled? The stock ROM is very clean.
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There is a switch in developer options to allow bootloader to be unlocked. Maybe this, combined with factory recovery menu will set us free? Flash a modified factory rom with root enabled? The stock ROM is very clean.
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There is an option to unlock bootloader. It's called OEM unlocking
So, flicking this switch should unlock the bootloader???
That gives me a bit of hope for some development on this handset. None of the previous cat phones have seen any real development.
bandario said:
So, flicking this switch should unlock the bootloader???
That gives me a bit of hope for some development on this handset. None of the previous cat phones have seen any real development.
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To be honest flicking that switch does nothing for me. I am unsure how to unlock the bootloader
On S60 bootloader is locked.
No fastboot, but you will be able to select recovery mode.
bump. I'd like to see this phone rooted.
Any progress on this or has anyone tried yet?
My SONY Z1C died on me the other day and I'd need to know if there's at least a chance to root this one.
I'm considering getting the S60 but only if I'm able to root it. An unrooted phone is barely usable to me...
Greetz and thanks in advance,
Unr3aL67
haven't tried rooting mine yet. Not felt the need to yet TBH
Mine is working pretty good without root. Only reason I'd want root honestly is to make backups, and perhaps uninstall a couple apps, but the bloatware is minimal.
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Since the original question was "Is this rootable?" and lately answers have come in the form of "I haven't tried rooting mine" .... which doesn't seem much like an answer at all, to be honest .... I want to join the OP in asking this question. For those of us who have grown accustomed to the freedom and flexibility of having root access to our devices, it would be really nice to know (before making a decision to purchase) whether it is possible to obtain root on the CAT S60.
Does anyone know where to get a zip of the ROM?
After the Arstechnica review this may be my next phone. However, I really require a way to root it so that I can use iptables.
Anyone had any luck?
In response to your query we regret to inform you that we do not offer any assistance or tools to root our devices.
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I tried contacting support about help to root, got the above back. It's a work phone so maybe it's better that I don't mess with it.
If anyone is going to root or make a custom recovery, it'll need to be without any support from the manufacturer. I mostly miss Xposed Framework for adblocking, less frequent notifications and the ability to longpress the back key to enable/disable screen rotation, the ROM itself is 99% "stock" otherwise and I have no complaints on that front.
In response to your query we regret to inform you that we do not offer any assistance or tools to root our devices.
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This is, of course, their right, and buyer beware if you wanted a rootable phone. Still, I can't keep from being annoyed at this attitude; if I'm paying them good money for my devices, I want the freedom to do with it everything that I want, including modifying it and knowingly voiding my warranty, or even breaking it outright, if that's what makes me happy. Especially now that rooting/jailbreaking is a thing. Wanting to keep on controlling and limiting how people are able to use your product after you've sold it to them always sticks in my craw.
I guess I'll be passing on what otherwise looks like a perfect phone for me, unless some shining hero (or heroine) manages to figure out how to root a CAT S60 anyway, despite what the manufacturer might wish.
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This is, of course, their right, and buyer beware if you wanted a rootable phone. Still, I can't keep from being annoyed at this attitude; if I'm paying them good money for my devices, I want the freedom to do with it everything that I want, including modifying it and knowingly voiding my warranty, or even breaking it outright, if that's what makes me happy. Especially now that rooting/jailbreaking is a thing. Wanting to keep on controlling and limiting how people are able to use your product after you've sold it to them always sticks in my craw.
I guess I'll be passing on what otherwise looks like a perfect phone for me, unless some shining hero (or heroine) manages to figure out how to root a CAT S60 anyway, despite what the manufacturer might wish.
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It is indeed a great phone, but the camera is sub-par. The focus takes an age compared to my Z5 Compact. I would wait for the second-generation version unless you critically need FLIR as a feature.
I've done a bit of poking around. I suspect that the bootloader could be unlocked with the commands "adb reboot bootloader" followed by "fastboot oem unlock-go".
I'm not going to do that at this point because without a custom ROM to flash there is no point in me voiding my warranty, but I believe it should be possible with USB debugging enabled, and the bootloader confirmed as unlockable.
I think this is how root will arrive on this device: by way of modifying a flashable ROM and flashing it to the device using QFIL as you would any other Qualcomm device.
The tools are all there in front of us, we just need someone with the knowledge to create that modified rom file....at this point I can't even find a factory rom to flash.
Given the recent speed and quality enhancements made available through the stock camera app, I also suspect that doing this will send us backwards to a much ****tier camera as has been the case with many sony handsets in the past.
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There is a switch in developer options to allow bootloader to be unlocked. Maybe this, combined with factory recovery menu will set us free? Flash a modified factory rom with root enabled? The stock ROM is very clean.
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Chuggers said:
There is an option to unlock bootloader. It's called OEM unlocking
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bandario said:
So, flicking this switch should unlock the bootloader???
That gives me a bit of hope for some development on this handset. None of the previous cat phones have seen any real development.
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That switch is available in a lot of devices and does nothing on a lot of them
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I don't know how this'll go.......
So all my past android phones I have rooted + installed recoveries and what not. Originally I did this because I heard of a way to increase the battery life of my HTC Incredible via rooting. Afterwards I found myself rooting my Inc2, DNA, Inc4G, and my One M8. This time I did it so I can get the latest versions of Android/HTC Sense (until Google finally made a good looking UI w. 5.0).
Today (technically yesterday at this point) I bought the Pixel in hopes of finally being able to receive consistent android updates. That being said, the idea of being able to get consistent and relatively quick android updates was the whole point of me unlocking + rooting my phone.
I guess the question remains: Should I continue running unlocked with the Pixel, or will the updates from Google be enough?
dkris2020 said:
I guess the question remains: Should I continue running unlocked with the Pixel, or will the updates from Google be enough?
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I like custom recoveries like TWRP because you can make nandroid backups. The downside of unlocking your bootloader is that Android Pay won't work and if someone gets ahold of your phone, like a thief, if the phone is unlocked then they can flash it and it will circumvent any protection on the device.
I like root because you can use apps that require root, like some Ad blockers and Titanium Backup, and because I can remove system apps I don't want on my phone.
It all depends on what you want to do with your phone.
Unless someone has a reason for unlocking the device, generally I don't see the point. There are some things that I want to do with my phone, which are easier to do unlocked, so personally I specifically wanted an unlockable phone. Depending on how much you've read about the Pixel, here are some things you may or may not know.
- Unlocking the device will wipe it, so if you decide later that you want to unlock it will wipe the phone.
- An unlocked stock device can still use the standard OTA updates.
- Some SuperSU users may be able to unroot and then use the standard OTA updates, and some rooted users have reported their phones automatically updating.
- After I started using root my phone fails to install the OTA updates, so I'd guess one of the checked areas on my phone has changed due to the root apps I've used.
- If the OTA notification shows up and the update will not install, with the stock ROM it's possible to burn through a lot of cellular data. When I didn't update my phone this month, it used about 1 GB before I shut off cellular data.
- Items like a computer, TWRP, or FlashFire are the sorts of alternate update routes for the stock ROM if a rooted phone cannot use the standard OTA.
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some rooted users have reported their phones automatically updating..
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Isn't there a way to disable the automatic updates?
LoliSmith said:
Isn't there a way to disable the automatic updates?
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You can disable them in developer options. I've had my phone since early November (turned off system updates the day I got it) and have never been notified that an update is available. However, some have reported that they had system updates disabled in developer options and they still get notified an update is available. It seems to be hit and miss so I can't say for sure it would work for you or not.
Just addressing OPs concerns, unlocking your phone shouldn't have any impact on updates from Google. You can still get them, OTA or otherwise.
The only downside I'd say, are warranty related (unlocking the bootloader will void the warranty on Verizon models), and security. Google has pretty much decided that having an unlocked bootloader is not secure enough for Android pay, so you'll be without that (However, you can still use loaded gift cards/loyalty program cards. It's just credit/debit cards that won't work).
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You can disable them in developer options. I've had my phone since early November (turned off system updates the day I got it) and have never been notified that an update is available. However, some have reported that they had system updates disabled in developer options and they still get notified an update is available. It seems to be hit and miss so I can't say for sure it would work for you or not.
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On my motorola phones, there was an app that you could freeze using titanium back up. I wonder if there is anything like that with the pixel?
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The only downside I'd say, are warranty related (unlocking the bootloader will void the warranty on Verizon models),
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First, that assumes that Google has a record of you unlocking your bootloader, which they may since jcase is saying that the phones have to communicate with the Google servers to unlock the bootloader.
Second, there is a federal law on this and the way it works in this situation is that if unlocking your bootloader is not related to the warranty claim, Google can't deny your claim. For instance, if the charging port fails that is entirely a hardware issue unrelated to unlocking your bootloader. Google must honor the warranty for that.
If you were to brick your device flashing, that would be different but Google would have to have some proof that you not only unlocked your bootloader but that it was the unlocked bootloader that resulted in a bricked phone.
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I've had my phone since early November (turned off system updates the day I got it) and have never been notified that an update is available.
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Are you manually updating your device, or are you running months behind the current release? The reason I ask is that the OTA notices on my phone have been delayed my days or weeks from the initial release, but I think they have showed up eventually when I've stayed on a prior version and the developer option has been shut off.
LoliSmith said:
On my motorola phones, there was an app that you could freeze using titanium back up. I wonder if there is anything like that with the pixel?
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I was hoping the following link might work similar to the Razr updater, but unfortunately the change kept my phone awake and didn't allow deep sleep both times I tried it. The update notification can be shut off by long pressing it, which I think shows up as a notification block. Due to the cellular data drain, my current plan is to try FlashFire for updates, and if that doesn't work well I'll probably try a ROM to avoid OTA updates.
https://www.androidexplained.com/pixel-hide-ota-notification/
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Are you manually updating your device, or are you running months behind the current release? The reason I ask is that the OTA notices on my phone have been delayed my days or weeks from the initial release, but I think they have showed up eventually when I've stayed on a prior version and the developer option has been shut off.
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I've been manually updating it. Usually within a week or so of the release. However, I skipped the January update all together and never got a notification about it. Maybe I got lucky. Don't know.
Thanks for the input guys.
So a lot of the stuff you guys are saying are things that I have had prior experience with so the actual process of unlocking I have no issues with. If unlocking the Pixel is anything like the Moto X Pure (which it should cause Google) it shouldn't be too much of a hassle.
That said I am with Verizon and I can say that in all of my years of owning rooted/unlocked HTC phones I only ever needed to use my warranty for hardware based claims. Like I said the main reason I unlocked/rooted was to get updated ROMs that Verizon/HTC wouldn't push out to the phone. I think I'll more than likely unlock it but I probably won't root unless I need to.
That's pretty much where I am. I did root, but a recent OTA update that I accidentally took unrooted me. Keeping the bootloader unlocked at least leaves that option available.
Hi there,
I have been rooting all previous samsung and pixel phone but i dont know if rooting or unlocking bootlaoder is needed for HTC U11.. I mean software is fast and fluid, battery is exceptional (7 hour screen on time), not much bloatware out there, sound is alo great unless we have some sound mods out there who improve it further
so is there any advantage of rooting and going after custom ROMs/Mods ?
secondly i am using HTC phone after long time so this S On/OFF is confusing. If we have unlock bootloader and root/Twrp then can we flash all custom ROMs ? or we must need to do S-OFF in order to flash some custom ROMs ?
Thanks
S-off is protection for system turned off so anything written to root is permanent.
Unlocking bootloader is what protects the phone from loading software that isn't official.
Yes you can flash roms etc without s-off. S-off is dangerous but can offer extra methods of recovery should your phone die unexpectedly. It is highly recommended to buy s-off via sunshine app if you plan on rooting.
Rooting has its uses but it has more disadvantages. Some apps won't run, ie banking apps, you can easily cheat games but it makes things boring, you can block adverts but you can get rootless options too.. Swings and roundabouts. Personally I don't root anymore.
Rajaasim1980 said:
Hi there,
I have been rooting all previous samsung and pixel phone but i dont know if rooting or unlocking bootlaoder is needed for HTC U11.. I mean software is fast and fluid, battery is exceptional (7 hour screen on time), not much bloatware out there, sound is alo great unless we have some sound mods out there who improve it further
so is there any advantage of rooting and going after custom ROMs/Mods ?
secondly i am using HTC phone after long time so this S On/OFF is confusing. If we have unlock bootloader and root/Twrp then can we flash all custom ROMs ? or we must need to do S-OFF in order to flash some custom ROMs ?
Thanks
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You dont need to be S Off to install a custom ROM. Although there are more and more apps and theming engines that pretty much do what the old rooting used to, I have been rooting since the old school evo days. You can always go back to stock in most cases, but its nice to see what the different custom roms developers have to offer and experience the different user interfaces. The installation of a different kernel is the the best advantage to me if you are looking to tweak battery usage and certain functions. Plus you van back up and dirty flash most roms without much hassle or loss of data. I currently am S On and have used a few different daily driver roms with no issues for years now. Just read up on firmware updating and the Rom requirements before loading.
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S-off is protection for system turned off so anything written to root is permanent.
Unlocking bootloader is what protects the phone from loading software that isn't official.
Yes you can flash roms etc without s-off. S-off is dangerous but can offer extra methods of recovery should your phone die unexpectedly. It is highly recommended to buy s-off via sunshine app if you plan on rooting.
Rooting has its uses but it has more disadvantages. Some apps won't run, ie banking apps, you can easily cheat games but it makes things boring, you can block adverts but you can get rootless options too.. Swings and roundabouts. Personally I don't root anymore.
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Not the best advice or info.
You don't need s off unless you plan on changing your u11 firmware from one cid to another (Google it). Why spend the $$ unnecessarily?
IF you root with Magisk you can use magisk Manager to hide root from banking and other apps and they'll work just fine.
It's 101...
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Not the best advice or info.
You don't need s off unless you plan on changing your u11 firmware from one cid to another (Google it). Why spend the $$ unnecessarily?
IF you root with Magisk you can use magisk Manager to hide root from banking and other apps and they'll work just fine.
It's 101...
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My explanation for s-off is valid. S-off has more uses than just changing the cid. Google it. I recommend s-off in all instances where the phone will be rooted. Otherwise you leave it s-on.
As for magisk, it doesn't always work. Google it. It's 101.
S off S on
Personally I've only ever used S off to downgrade stock, never needed to change cid, it makes tasks easier but a lot of the security is missing, it's swings & roundabouts soff
only temporary on the u11
jhill110 said:
Not the best advice or info.
You don't need s off unless you plan on changing your u11 firmware from one cid to another (Google it). Why spend the $$ unnecessarily?
IF you root with Magisk you can use magisk Manager to hide root from banking and other apps and they'll work just fine.
It's 101...
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I rooted an old Motorola phone (Verizon) years ago and I didn't have any problems then. I could flash all these different ROMs and it was cool and interesting to do. Later phones I owned from Verizon didn't let me root so that was that. This year I decided I wanted to get a phone directly from HTC, the U11. I got the version that I could unlock and it didn't have all the bloatware like from the other carriers. I got the phone in April of this year and did the unlock process using the HTC Dev website. All went well and I loaded up a few apps that only worked with an unlocked phone. I installed Magisk and TWRP but I never did install a custom ROM because the phone was working well - fast and long battery life and the apps that required an unlocked phone played well.
Then a couple weeks ago there was a notification on my phone that there was an OTA update. The OTA notification nag screen was constantly coming up and of course I couldn't update while the phone was unlock. Or at least that's what I thought. So I went and used ADB and gave the the command to OEM lock. That was it, my phone got corrupt and long story short my phone is headed back to HTC to be revived.
When I do get the phone back I'll leave it as is, factory stock. I really didn't see the need to flash any new ROMs after I got the phone in April. It is a hard lesson to learn but oh well. It is what it is. If I do decide to unlock again, I will make sure I know what I am doing. Obviously I didn't.
Good luck OP on what you decide.
Tethering Without Root?
I'm moving from an S7 to the U11. I've always rooted my phones in the past, mainly to get tethering and remove bloat. Is there a tether option without rooting the U11? From what I hear there isn't a ton of bloat on the U11, so if I can tether without root, I might just do that.
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I'm moving from an S7 to the U11. I've always rooted my phones in the past, mainly to get tethering and remove bloat. Is there a tether option without rooting the U11? From what I hear there isn't a ton of bloat on the U11, so if I can tether without root, I might just do that.
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https://www.htc.com/us/support/htc-u11/howto/sharing-data-connection-with-usb-tethering.html
Well there isn't much of bloatware on the U11 and that is one of the reasons I wanted that phone. Another reason was that I wanted the latest HTC phone (got my U11 in April before the U12+ came out). I don't care for Samsung and Apple phones and I've just gravitated toward HTC since the HTC Incredible.
I've rooted a couple phones before and they were so easy to do. No issues and it was not so complicated as it is now. I really screwed my U11 (or at least I couldn't figure out the right procedures to get it out of trouble).
I root because I want youtube adaway (Which to be fair does have a no root option) and, more importantly, adaway.
Adaway has no alternative if you aren't rooted, which sucks. I don't care for adgaurds VPN or DNS666. An App like Adaway, I would pay for that on a non-rooted phone to make it happen. Bonus, I also get to install other ROMs Once my phone stops being updated by HTC, which seeing their track record, will be around January of 2019.
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I root because I want youtube adaway (Which to be fair does have a no root option) and, more importantly, adaway.
Adaway has no alternative if you aren't rooted, which sucks. I don't care for adgaurds VPN or DNS666. An App like Adaway, I would pay for that on a non-rooted phone to make it happen. Bonus, I also get to install other ROMs Once my phone stops being updated by HTC, which seeing their track record, will be around January of 2019.
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it can't work on rooted phones because google doesnt want to happen.
Adaway removes the reveneue of big corporations, and thats affect google, thats why google, banking apps, and even pokemon don't like rooting.
you can acess your bank in your windows PC (windows have admin mode)
but you can't in android..
F** logic..
I don't know what people are doing on this site that say we don't need root. It's like atheists on eclesiastical meeting
I often think putting a custom rom in more secure due to the security patches being updated, however obviously you need to mask it for bank apps. So how important are security updates? Banking apps like google pay dont check that condition yet they check the latter.
Ok more specifically I'm pretty used to the stock android experience (modded of course) but I read about that audio issue and I'm pretty terrified of it because music and calls are the main things I need a phone for. I've been out of the modded android loop since CM10 so I don't really know present day standards or processes for unlocking/rooting let alone standards for ROMs etc. Anyone got any advice?
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Ok more specifically I'm pretty used to the stock android experience (modded of course) but I read about that audio issue and I'm pretty terrified of it because music and calls are the main things I need a phone for. I've been out of the modded android loop since CM10 so I don't really know present day standards or processes for unlocking/rooting let alone standards for ROMs etc. Anyone got any advice?
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just go to the guides subforum of a8 2018 and press on the thread that can help u flash twrp lol, all you gotta do is just follow the instructions word by word
WhenSuddenly said:
Ok more specifically I'm pretty used to the stock android experience (modded of course) but I read about that audio issue and I'm pretty terrified of it because music and calls are the main things I need a phone for. I've been out of the modded android loop since CM10 so I don't really know present day standards or processes for unlocking/rooting let alone standards for ROMs etc. Anyone got any advice?
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my words of advice would be to make sure that you need root before you root it. what i mean by that is think about what you stand to gain by rooting it vs the PITA it is to root this thing. Pay close attention to the 168 hour thing as its been a thorn in many a persons side and caused many a headache. Ive had dozens of android phones and all have been rooted with the exception of the HTC Rezound, which required the OMG PITA "wire trick" to root properly. These phones run very well as stock and dont have much bloatware, so rooting them is becoming less necessary. I got mine in july '18 and have been happy with its performance overall so far. Ive reflashed the stock tar.img a few times for varying reasons, and even rooted it. But after losing SPay capability with root, i flashed back to stock as the gains werent worth the losses to me. Also, SHealth is a task to get working after you trip knox btw.
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my words of advice would be to make sure that you need root before you root it. what i mean by that is think about what you stand to gain by rooting it vs the PITA it is to root this thing. Pay close attention to the 168 hour thing as its been a thorn in many a persons side and caused many a headache. Ive had dozens of android phones and all have been rooted with the exception of the HTC Rezound, which required the OMG PITA "wire trick" to root properly. These phones run very well as stock and dont have much bloatware, so rooting them is becoming less necessary. I got mine in july '18 and have been happy with its performance overall so far. Ive reflashed the stock tar.img a few times for varying reasons, and even rooted it. But after losing SPay capability with root, i flashed back to stock as the gains werent worth the losses to me. Also, SHealth is a task to get working after you trip knox btw.
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Yeah tbh I'm ok with the interface now and aside from making the volume buttons change tracks when you hold them down the only things id need root for is clearing out bloatware etc. I think I'll take your advice and not root it for now (until something breaks) but what is this 168 hour thing?
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Yeah tbh I'm ok with the interface now and aside from making the volume buttons change tracks when you hold them down the only things id need root for is clearing out bloatware etc. I think I'll take your advice and not root it for now (until something breaks) but what is this 168 hour thing?
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there has been a great deal of discussion about how to get the OEM unlock toggle to show up in the developer options, many suggest that its only obtainable by leaving the phone powered off for 168 hours and then rebooting, not connecting to any network (including cellular) and then enabling developer options and then the toggle should be there.
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there has been a great deal of discussion about how to get the OEM unlock toggle to show up in the developer options, many suggest that its only obtainable by leaving the phone powered off for 168 hours and then rebooting, not connecting to any network (including cellular) and then enabling developer options and then the toggle should be there.
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Your wrong your suppose to keep phone on for 168 hours no reboots then oem should show up again.
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Your wrong your suppose to keep phone on for 168 hours no reboots then oem should show up again.
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youre*
and youre correct, i said it backwards.
youdoofus said:
there has been a great deal of discussion about how to get the OEM unlock toggle to show up in the developer options, many suggest that its only obtainable by leaving the phone powered off for 168 hours and then rebooting, not connecting to any network (including cellular) and then enabling developer options and then the toggle should be there.
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So wait. My phone is showing the OEM unlock toggle and I can change it. Does that mean I can root? Or would trying to root then make me wait 168 hours? I never tried any custom stuff with it btw. Just bought and installed Lawnchair lol.
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So wait. My phone is showing the OEM unlock toggle and I can change it. Does that mean I can root? Or would trying to root then make me wait 168 hours? I never tried any custom stuff with it btw. Just bought and installed Lawnchair lol.
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Hit the toggle and it'll ask for your pw, then you can flash a custom recovery via Odin
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So wait. My phone is showing the OEM unlock toggle and I can change it. Does that mean I can root? Or would trying to root then make me wait 168 hours? I never tried any custom stuff with it btw. Just bought and installed Lawnchair lol.
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be careful with starting down the root rabbit hole tho. if you flash anything in download mode, youll trip the knox security counter and that is 100% irreversible without sending it to samsung. Root is cool and allows you to do stuff, but honestly ive not found too much reason to root this phone yet. Ive literally had over 20 android phones and i rooted and modded all of them (except the rezound, if you want to know why that one wasnt fully rooted, just google "rezound wire trick" and youll see) and this one just really doesnt need root IMO. Sure it would be nice to have a few root things, but its not worth the trade off of losing samsung pay so i can pay for stuff with my watch. That feature is just waaaay too valuable to me
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be careful with starting down the root rabbit hole tho. if you flash anything in download mode, youll trip the knox security counter and that is 100% irreversible without sending it to samsung. Root is cool and allows you to do stuff, but honestly ive not found too much reason to root this phone yet. Ive literally had over 20 android phones and i rooted and modded all of them (except the rezound, if you want to know why that one wasnt fully rooted, just google "rezound wire trick" and youll see) and this one just really doesnt need root IMO. Sure it would be nice to have a few root things, but its not worth the trade off of losing samsung pay so i can pay for stuff with my watch. That feature is just waaaay too valuable to me
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If his oem is showing and if he marks it and follow the directions he will be fine I have been rooted since day one of having it.
I never got locked out.
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If his oem is showing and if he marks it and follow the directions he will be fine I have been rooted since day one of having it.
I never got locked out.
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ill never trade my SPay on my watch for root
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be careful with starting down the root rabbit hole tho. if you flash anything in download mode, youll trip the knox security counter and that is 100% irreversible without sending it to samsung. Root is cool and allows you to do stuff, but honestly ive not found too much reason to root this phone yet. Ive literally had over 20 android phones and i rooted and modded all of them (except the rezound, if you want to know why that one wasnt fully rooted, just google "rezound wire trick" and youll see) and this one just really doesnt need root IMO. Sure it would be nice to have a few root things, but its not worth the trade off of losing samsung pay so i can pay for stuff with my watch. That feature is just waaaay too valuable to me
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Thanks for the advice,but this isn't my first rodeo with Samsung lol. I messed around with the Verizon S5 alot and was lucky to have the version able to unlock it's bootloader.
Amirk365 said:
Thanks for the advice,but this isn't my first rodeo with Samsung lol. I messed around with the Verizon S5 alot and was lucky to have the version able to unlock it's bootloader.
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np, the G900V was a major disappointment with its locked bootloader. i recall spending several hours bricking one and having to restore it with the stock tar.img file. total PITA
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np, the G900V was a major disappointment with its locked bootloader. i recall spending several hours bricking one and having to restore it with the stock tar.img file. total PITA
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Will you stop telling people that you will mess up phone if you try to root it.
If people follow directions they have nothing to worry about.
You where bootloop not bricked a brick device is usually a unfix able.
If is fine you what to keep Sam pay but your info you are telling is wrong.
I recently unroot my phone guess what Sam pay work fine.
Then root phone again no lock out and enable treble and flashed gsi image.
So their nothing wrong with rooting if you want to do that.
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Will you stop telling people that you will mess up phone if you try to root it.
If people follow directions they have nothing to worry about.
You where bootloop not bricked a brick device is usually a unfix able.
If is fine you what to keep Sam pay but your info you are telling is wrong.
I recently unroot my phone guess what Sam pay work fine.
Then root phone again no lock out and enable treble and flashed gsi image.
So their nothing wrong with rooting if you want to do that.
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dude, i dont think youre reading what im saying right. Ive never said that rooting your phone will mess it up. the stuff about the G900V is a DIFFERENT PHONE. FFS. This isnt my first rodeo rooting and modding. Hell, i even was writing mods back in the Evo and S3 days. Im refamiliarizing myself with some of this, but i havent ever said youd mess your phone up if you follow the root instructions. Ill even go as far as saying as long as you dont Odin flash the tar.img for a completely different phone, these things are virtually impossible to hard brick. And yes, a bootloop is referred to as a soft brick. But, it is important to know that if you do root your phone, it WILL make samsung health not work as it did when stock and there is NO WAY of bringing it back without swapping the motherboard
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np, the G900V was a major disappointment with its locked bootloader. i recall spending several hours bricking one and having to restore it with the stock tar.img file. total PITA
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Unlocking the bootloader was completely dependent on the type of EMMC chip that the G900V that you had was using. I got three of those and only one was able to unlock after the Marshmallow update.
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Unlocking the bootloader was completely dependent on the type of EMMC chip that the G900V that you had was using. I got three of those and only one was able to unlock after the Marshmallow update.
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the last tinkering i did with the G900V was several years ago and that was at the point when all hope was lost on the locked bootloader. I havent looked into it since as the G900's i had were G900P's which were FAR easier to work with. I did also root and ROM a couple G900VL's, but again was years ago
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the last tinkering i did with the G900V was several years ago and that was at the point when all hope was lost on the locked bootloader. I havent looked into it since as the G900's i had were G900P's which were FAR easier to work with. I did also root and ROM a couple G900VL's, but again was years ago
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Good times. Anyways I'm not rooting for now. Waiting for Pie and see how it goes.
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Good times. Anyways I'm not rooting for now. Waiting for Pie and see how it goes.
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good times, yeah LOL!!! major waste of time on those friggin G900V's is more like it yeah, i wouldnt root yet, keep the stock recovery so it automagically updates to pie in a few weeks and manually check for updates every so often to force its hand. Also sammobile.com posts them too if you want to force it on via Odin and trip knox. Anyways, if you get the update in the near future, let us know!