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Worth the price increase over a 6X / alternatives

Mentioned this in the 6X forum, but figured I'll ask here, too.
I need a phone for travelling. My main phone is an iPhone 6S, but I want something a little cheaper and with dual SIM support so I can use my normal number with a another SIM whilst abroad. Having used Android way before iPhone, and owning a Shield Tablet and TV, figured it'd be a nice way to get back into Android.
I returned a OnePlus 3T last month because, although good, I didn't like the camera.
So, I'm looking for a budget device, that has a decent spec (occasional gaming) and pretty good camera, fingerprint scanner and possibly NFC for Android Pay. USB-C and fast charge would be nice.
I've been looking at the WileyFox Swift 2 which is about £180. Snapdragon 430, 3GB RAM, fingerprint scanner, NFC, USB-C and quick charge. Low res screen (720), slower CPU and 'okay' camera. Gorilla glass.
£40 more is the 6X, EU version has all of the above, but no USB-C, terrible screen quality in terms of durability and no oleohobic coating. Micro USB. Not sure on CPU performance.
Or the best of the bunch, the Honor 8. Only it's £180 more than the 6X.
Is it worth the price over the other 2, or is there something else I can look at. Xiaomi's seem good, but lack LTE 800mhz / band 20 and no NFC for the global versions of the Redmi Note 4, which ships in March.

The only thing I can say is that the Honor 8 is an amazing device, I got mine for 325€ during a sale and I haven't regretted it...
The camera is amazing! It is so much better than my old Samsung Galaxy S4 Mini, and it can shoot really sharp images (In good lightning)
However if there isn't that much light, images will become a little grainy (As on most smartphones)
Then we have the software... I almost got the Honor 7 in 2015 but I ended up not buying it because of the software (EMUI). But since I got such a great deal on the Honor 8 I decided to actually try it out and I must say EMUI 4.1 which I got the phone with was a lot different from my previous Android experience (Cyanogenmod 13) but it so many good features built in.
And today I got the EMUI 5 update and I must say, it's a lot closer to AOSP and I like it
Also this phone is very fast!
If you can get this phone for under 400€ then it's a great deal! I don't know that much about the other phones mentioned but I really recommend the Honor 8! Hope this helps you decide, if you have any questions regarding the Honor 8 feel free to ask

If you returned the oneplus3T because it wasn't good enough, nothing will please you.

Got myself upgrade from galaxy note 3.
I thought it was fast but honor 8 is faster in all aspects.
This is the best phone I used

The only thing I can say is that the Honor 8 is an amazing device, I got mine for 325€ during a sale and I haven't regretted it...
The camera is amazing! It is so much better than my old Samsung Galaxy S4 Mini, and it can shoot really sharp images (In good lightning)
However if there isn't that much light, images will become a little grainy (As on most smartphones)
Then we have the software... I almost got the Honor 7 in 2015 but I ended up not buying it because of the software (EMUI). But since I got such a great deal on the Honor 8 I decided to actually try it out and I must say EMUI 4.1 which I got the phone with was a lot different from my previous Android experience (Cyanogenmod 13) but it so many good features built in.
And today I got the EMUI 5 update and I must say, it's a lot closer to AOSP and I like it
Also this phone is very fast!
If you can get this phone for under 400€ then it's a great deal! I don't know that much about the other phones mentioned but I really recommend the Honor 8! Hope this helps you decide, if you have any questions regarding the Honor 8 feel free to ask
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I've ordered one, should be here today. Couldn't decide between this and he Lenovo P2, but there's an issue with the mic and the camera isn't as good. Looking forward to testing it today
SolarisSixth said:
If you returned the oneplus3T because it wasn't good enough, nothing will please you.
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Huh? I didn't say it wasn't good enough. Everything other than the camera and mic quality was perfect.
For example. I took a photo of my dog as he was barking for attention, with both my 6S and the 3T. The 6S could capture the photo, the 3T pic was blurred. The only way to remedy this was to use manual mode and increase the shutter speed, and even then, I couldn't use flash. Mic quality in wasn't outstanding in Whatsapp etc.

coming from an s8

Fed up with Samsung .
Don't like the narrow display I like big phones I had the 6p previous to the s8.
Is it silly of me to sell the s8 and get a mate 9.
Any model I should look for I like customizing and I'm a UK user on three.
Is the camera on par with s8
What's stabilization like also
Thanks

get iporn X instead. Or LG V30 or wait for Mate 10.

I came from OnePlus 3 and was worried about limited customization, but found with pleasure that Huawei themes are pretty powerful and with Tasker and a bunch of application was able to set up the device as I want without even root.
That said, display, audio and camera of Mate 9 are definitely an improvement from OP3.

Wait for the mate 10. Oct 16th

Can't afford the mate 10 or iPhone x I have a guy offering straight swap for mate 9

I came from the Note 3 and love the Mate 9. Its hardware is great. The only downside for me with the Mate 9 and any phone that is not hugely popular is the lack (relatively speaking) of custom ROMs, tweaks, etc. However, since the bootloader is locked on the Samsung phones you dont have a lot of options anyway so by comparison the Mate 9 is very customizable. I have zero regrets with the Mate 9. In terms of waiting for the Mate 10, it is not clear to me that it will offer enough difference over the Mate 9. Frankly, if I could do it all over again, I would wait until close to the Mate 10 launch and pick up a Mate 9 at an ever lower cost than it is now.

thanks to be honest my s8 is the exynos version so its quite customisable apart from no lineage or aosp.
phone is far too narrow for my liking.
will be the owner of a mate 9 tomorrow anything i should look out for?

The camera on the S8 is better in low light. Also the video will be better, better OIS and the formats are YouTube friendly. The Mate 9 shoots in an advanced format that Google do not like...
I came from a note 4 and S7 edge. Still have my note 4 but this mate 9 is one of the best phones I've ever had. It's just a beast. Battery life, the flow of menus and the overall ROM for me is so good I've not customised. Love it. Also the feel is great, nice and square screen, fills firm and robust.

I agree. I came from Samsung to this phone and I love it and am glad 9 made the choice

sutty86 said:
Fed up with Samsung .
Don't like the narrow display I like big phones I had the 6p previous to the s8.
Is it silly of me to sell the s8 and get a mate 9.
Any model I should look for I like customizing and I'm a UK user on three.
Is the camera on par with s8
What's stabilization like also
Thanks
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If you can wait another month or so get the Mate 10, if not Mate 9 is still plenty IMO, the camera has tons of settings that could overwhelm an average consumer, however for me myself I'm a photographer so it won't be an issue, been happy with the overall performance of the camera, the phone alone is good enough for my needs, yeah I could've waited for the Mate 10 but I couldn't and the performance is great on this device.
Keep in mind the ROM development for this device lacks big time unlike the 6P, so if ROM development is a must, then look for something else honestly. But EMUI 5 has been serving me pretty well and I'm an avid flasher on here for years and this is the first device that I don't have to root or flash a ROM.
To answer your question, no it wouldn't be silly at least IMO, again wait for the Mate 10 if you have the patience if not get the Mate 9, you won't be disappointed with either

I have used many many phones coming from Motorola, HTC, Samsung, LG I was not very familiar with Huawei. I seen the Nexus 6p in person so the build and quality was definitely just like a Flagship phone. I sold my AT&T S7 which became super buggy and started taking forever to charge.
I got use to wireless charging and the nice cameras of Samsung phones but it was lacking. The screen on the Samsungs are very nice but their software SUCKS AT&T version[laggy]. I decided to get the Mate 9 and I have NO regrets. It comes preinstalled with very little bloatware, its unlocked for GSM carriers. I use it for AT&T and it works great I have 4g LTE. No dropped calls or anything. It has everything you would want in a large phone which is the same size as a IPhone 7 plus. The screen is very bright and sharp like you would expect [nexus 6/htc m8]. The phone comes with a 4,000mah battery which last literally all day and does not take very long to charge with supercharge. It does not quickcharge on Quickcharge brick adapters you'll need the stock oem charger/wire. The speakers are super loud and very treble heavy not too much on the bass. The screen response is good and the vibration and feedback works great. If you just want a phone that has good speakers, big battery, big screen, fast fingerprint scanner, IR blaster, quick UI, no BS 16:9 ratio get this phone. You can use this phone all day and not worry about charging it. Build quality is top notch also like Apple, HTC.

Got a mate 9 now very impressed at the moment now I just need to root it
Thank you everyone for being helpful.

Ohhh I don't think I have the official charger and cable wheres best place to buy.
Using Google pixel charger at the minute

Charger attached

sutty86 said:
Ohhh I don't think I have the official charger and cable wheres best place to buy.
Using Google pixel charger at the minute
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Nice choice. I saw official charger block being sold on Amazon a few days back.

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You can get the original charger for cheap on Aliexpress SUPER Charger.

A bit underwhelmed

I'm not sure I understand the initial media plaudits from yesterday's unveiling.
With the latest flagship phones so far released or announced, I feel this is very much a step backwards from the competition (though, rather a smaller step forward than everyone else)
Realistically, this is a most minor iteration. We have the obligatory upgrade to the latest Qualcomm flagship SoC, then..?
We have more screen real estate, though at the expense of the notch and what, initially, appears to be a relatively minor upgrade to the camera, when compared to everyone else.
Aesthetically, I personally think, this is by far the best looking OnePlus device and it's really on a par with the competition here. I don't have an issue with the look of the notch, though having never used a phone with a notch, I may well hate it in use.
Elsewhere, it seems to lag behind. Of all the competition, i.e. those with the Snapdragon 845, OnePlus seems to be the least innovative in its use. Nowhere do they advertise use of its AI / ML capabilities. I'm not suggesting they go down the Asus route and call everything AI, but at least show your making use of it.
I appreciate that most 'AI' features are mostly marketing nonsense, but some of it appears very useful. We are seeing phones with translation apps using AI, rather than connecting to the web. We're seeing phones use AI to learn how people use the phone, and continually change how they manage apps memory and power usage to improve both performance and battery life.
OnePlus have not made any claims towards anything like this, so if they are doing these types of things, why keep quiet.
This 'season' most of the innovation has been centred on the use of AI with the camera and so far we've seen some very amazing results from that. The big hitter being the Huawei P20 pro, though an honorable mention goes to the Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S also, especially considering it's budget flagship price (very much in the OnePlus 6 range).
OnePlus have always lagged behind in the camera department. It seems one of its big sacrifices in order to keep the prices so low. Last year's 5T, the first OnePlus with a dual lens arrangement, was routinely savaged by critics and considered on par with the average mid range phones. So here is where many considered it needed to vastly improve.
Initial impressions do seem to suggest that great improvements have been made. However, it seems like they've really only arrived at the point other flagships were at last year. Considering the huge leap forward AI has taken in-phone photography this year, it seems that OnePlus still have a lot of work to do in order to catch up with the rest and, this year, still seem just as far behind.
Hardware wise, mobile technology is now very mature, so we're only ever, mostly, seeing small iterative improvements, so phone manufacturers can only offer iterative updates, from a hardware perspective. And this is what we've come to see over the last few years.
This year the majority of mobile innovation, on flagship models more so, has come through the use of AI, something OnePlus seems to have strangely overlooked with this latest release.
This year, this iteration feels like something I'd expect from a top end, mid range phone, not from something that used to sell itself as a flagship killer.
With some serious hard work from the OnePlus software team, much AI innovation seen elsewhere could be rolled out to the OnePlus 6 in the future, which would see it much more competitive in the flagship phone sector. Though, I imagine they'll wait until the 6T to implement such changes, which may give the competition too much of a head start.
I'm currently on my third OnePlus device but if I do decide to upgrade this year, I doubt I'll be spending my money on the OnePlus 6. I feel it's time for a change, Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S anyone?
Though if by some miracle I actually win the xda competition, I'll be happy to keep the phone for the foreseeable future

I think I'll wait to see what the Xiaomi Mi7/8 will bring

That's one way of looking at it.
I think it's a fine phone compared to the Galaxy S9+ which costs approx. €250,- more.
Yes, the Samsung has a higher screenresolution, probably a better camera and a slightly higher capacity battery, but I don't want to spend that extra money on that and get a lot of bloatware in the process.
Since I'm currently still using a Oneplus One, the 6 is awesome compared to that...

Was looking forward to the oneplus 6.
I was thinking to upgrade to either a Mi Mix 2s or OP6. But I don't see what the OP6 offers, besides non-IP rated waterproofing over the Mi Mix 2s.
Same innards.
Same price
Ugly notch
Better blacks?
Arguably worse camera on paper
No wireless charging.
I don't see why you would pick an OP6 over Mix 2s. Miui sucks (got a lot better though lately), but is very easy to replace with a custom ROM.
Disappointed

Compared to the S9 and £9+, yes it is a very fine phone and probably runs it very close.
Samsung was also seen this 'season' to only come to the table with an uninspired iterative update. I think that they've suffered in being one of the first this year to roll out the release and have been caught lagging by some of the other manufacturers that came later.
Last year the S8+ was considered to have one of the best cameras in a smart phone. This year, although the S9+ camera has improved, it is only a minor improvement. Huawei and Xiaomi through heavy use of AI, have made huge leaps forward compared to last year, probably equivalent to 5 years worth of normal iterative upgrades. They have also both brought some other, worthwhile, uses of AI with their latest phones to further push themselves ahead of the competition.
OnePlus originally made 2 big sacrifices in order to keep costs low. These were LCD screens and cameras that would be typically found on mid range phones. However they were pretty much alone in the budget flagship market back then and so this wasn't seen as a big issue. With the arrival of some competition they've had to adjust accordingly.
Last year OnePlus came with a fairly large price increase, which allowed them to switch to AMOLED screens, this year another price increase sees them moving to premium camera modules expected on flagship phones.
In terms of where OnePlus was with the One and even where they were last year, yes this is a great phone and a good improvement. But considering some of the innovations some of the competition has brought this year, they have lagged behind. I no longer believe they are the first choice for those looking at the budget flagship market. Xiaomi would appear to have taken on that title.
If Xiaomi would embrace the custom ROM community the same way OnePlus have, OnePlus could find themselves losing some loyal customers.

Firipu said:
I don't see why you would pick an OP6 over Mix 2s. Miui sucks (got a lot better though lately), but is very easy to replace with a custom ROM.
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Only once you've got passed Xiaomi's ridiculous 360 hour bootloader unlock shenanigans.

The OP6 is a compelling candidate because of good mfg support for bootloader unlock without voiding warranty, lots of dev support for root etc., 3.5mm audio jack, now packaged with water resistance, at a lower price given the top processor/RAM specs.
Camera and display of OP6 are apparently not the tip-top of the field, but in the thin upper range where discerning the minor differences between competitors is splitting hairs IMO.
AI is a flaky gimmick that causes more problems than it solves in all phones in 2018, IMO. Same goes for voice assistants and most of the other bells and whistles. I'm going to shut off all that on any phone I get. K.I.S.S.
Watching now for more to come on OP6... extensive reviews, puddle-dunking, bootloader unlock, TWRP, root, clip cases, audio quality impressions (3.5mm output), initial OS "bug" fixes...

Robbo.5000 said:
I'm not sure I understand the initial media plaudits from yesterday's unveiling.
With the latest flagship phones so far released or announced, I feel this is very much a step backwards from the competition (though, rather a smaller step forward than everyone else)
Realistically, this is a most minor iteration. We have the obligatory upgrade to the latest Qualcomm flagship SoC, then..?
We have more screen real estate, though at the expense of the notch and what, initially, appears to be a relatively minor upgrade to the camera, when compared to everyone else.
Aesthetically, I personally think, this is by far the best looking OnePlus device and it's really on a par with the competition here. I don't have an issue with the look of the notch, though having never used a phone with a notch, I may well hate it in use.
Elsewhere, it seems to lag behind. Of all the competition, i.e. those with the Snapdragon 845, OnePlus seems to be the least innovative in its use. Nowhere do they advertise use of its AI / ML capabilities. I'm not suggesting they go down the Asus route and call everything AI, but at least show your making use of it.
I appreciate that most 'AI' features are mostly marketing nonsense, but some of it appears very useful. We are seeing phones with translation apps using AI, rather than connecting to the web. We're seeing phones use AI to learn how people use the phone, and continually change how they manage apps memory and power usage to improve both performance and battery life.
OnePlus have not made any claims towards anything like this, so if they are doing these types of things, why keep quiet.
This 'season' most of the innovation has been centred on the use of AI with the camera and so far we've seen some very amazing results from that. The big hitter being the Huawei P20 pro, though an honorable mention goes to the Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S also, especially considering it's budget flagship price (very much in the OnePlus 6 range).
OnePlus have always lagged behind in the camera department. It seems one of its big sacrifices in order to keep the prices so low. Last year's 5T, the first OnePlus with a dual lens arrangement, was routinely savaged by critics and considered on par with the average mid range phones. So here is where many considered it needed to vastly improve.
Initial impressions do seem to suggest that great improvements have been made. However, it seems like they've really only arrived at the point other flagships were at last year. Considering the huge leap forward AI has taken in-phone photography this year, it seems that OnePlus still have a lot of work to do in order to catch up with the rest and, this year, still seem just as far behind.
Hardware wise, mobile technology is now very mature, so we're only ever, mostly, seeing small iterative improvements, so phone manufacturers can only offer iterative updates, from a hardware perspective. And this is what we've come to see over the last few years.
This year the majority of mobile innovation, on flagship models more so, has come through the use of AI, something OnePlus seems to have strangely overlooked with this latest release.
This year, this iteration feels like something I'd expect from a top end, mid range phone, not from something that used to sell itself as a flagship killer.
With some serious hard work from the OnePlus software team, much AI innovation seen elsewhere could be rolled out to the OnePlus 6 in the future, which would see it much more competitive in the flagship phone sector. Though, I imagine they'll wait until the 6T to implement such changes, which may give the competition too much of a head start.
I'm currently on my third OnePlus device but if I do decide to upgrade this year, I doubt I'll be spending my money on the OnePlus 6. I feel it's time for a change, Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S anyone?
Though if by some miracle I actually win the xda competition, I'll be happy to keep the phone for the foreseeable future
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I had similar feelings/experience. Ended up my story with oneplus by selling my op5t and bought a p20 pro. I won't buy the 6 and waiting for the 6t... Who knows. Also interested by the Mi Mix 2s.

hunhool said:
I had similar feelings/experience. Ended up my story with oneplus by selling my op5t and bought a p20 pro. I won't buy the 6 and waiting for the 6t... Who knows. Also interested by the Mi Mix 2s.
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What improvements hardware/software wise will the 6T bring do you think ?

SlyUK said:
What improvements hardware/software wise will the 6T bring do you think ?
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Maybe wireless charging..but I don't really know.

SlyUK said:
What improvements hardware/software wise will the 6T bring do you think ?
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Maybe better battery, 3D Face unlock, fingerprint sensor under display

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Maybe better battery, 3D Face unlock, fingerprint sensor under display
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The only realistic item you listed is the battery which I 100% agree at least by a few hundred Mah.
The fingerprint sensor under the display isn't ready yet. Samsung has been trying to get this tech for their galaxy phones buts its just not there.
Huawei has a 2k device that has it and all the reviews states its not good.

They definitely could have done something special to make more of a splash but i think this rounds they did it with design.
where they fall short for me is :
1) Camera
2) Display
3) USB standard.
4) Battery
1) i think they should have done a bit more with the cameras on paper like larger pixels maybe dualpixel AF i think the 16 MP should have matched last years pixel 2 specs but with 16 MP then for the 20MP fo a wider angle monocrom so a max of LG / huawei. But i wait on official review to see if the current setup works well
2) Display i think OP should go to QHD its about time but leave the resolution at 1080p via software like what sony does but nit picking again as one plus screens are not bad its a Samsung panel so. Just they could add a AOD option via software.
3)The main let down for me why is the USB C port still usb 2.0 standard every one else uses usb 3.0 or 3.1 to allow for faster file transfers. For a lunch focused on speed this is the major let down smh the rest i was being nit picky but the usb really.
4) one plus should really try to get in the 4000 mah and 3600 mah battery capacity ranges especially since they have dash charge and goodish battery life

hunhool said:
I had similar feelings/experience. Ended up my story with oneplus by selling my op5t and bought a p20 pro. I won't buy the 6 and waiting for the 6t... Who knows. Also interested by the Mi Mix 2s.
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I bought and returned a View 10 and P20 (non-pro) and neither would play my favorite game Hill Climb Racing 2. Major stutters so bad I couldn't even play. The P20 purchase was 9 weeks after the View. I was hoping it was a fluke deal. I did try a few other games that played well but I've also seen it mentioned that the 970 has GPU issues. I held off on the Mix 2s until the curtain was pulled back for the OP6 but I'm also on the fence. Think I'll order the 6 and if not wowed just return it and get the 2s.

Glass back on the 6
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Maybe wireless charging..but I don't really know.
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Now that theyve swapped from metal to glass backing, i think you are correct.
I find it weird that it wasnt included in the 6 though.

Robbo.5000 said:
Compared to the S9 and £9+, yes it is a very fine phone and probably runs it very close.
Samsung was also seen this 'season' to only come to the table with an uninspired iterative update. I think that they've suffered in being one of the first this year to roll out the release and have been caught lagging by some of the other manufacturers that came later.
Last year the S8+ was considered to have one of the best cameras in a smart phone. This year, although the S9+ camera has improved, it is only a minor improvement. Huawei and Xiaomi through heavy use of AI, have made huge leaps forward compared to last year, probably equivalent to 5 years worth of normal iterative upgrades. They have also both brought some other, worthwhile, uses of AI with their latest phones to further push themselves ahead of the competition.
OnePlus originally made 2 big sacrifices in order to keep costs low. These were LCD screens and cameras that would be typically found on mid range phones. However they were pretty much alone in the budget flagship market back then and so this wasn't seen as a big issue. With the arrival of some competition they've had to adjust accordingly.
Last year OnePlus came with a fairly large price increase, which allowed them to switch to AMOLED screens, this year another price increase sees them moving to premium camera modules expected on flagship phones.
In terms of where OnePlus was with the One and even where they were last year, yes this is a great phone and a good improvement. But considering some of the innovations some of the competition has brought this year, they have lagged behind. I no longer believe they are the first choice for those looking at the budget flagship market. Xiaomi would appear to have taken on that title.
If Xiaomi would embrace the custom ROM community the same way OnePlus have, OnePlus could find themselves losing some loyal customers.
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Well no offence, but the AI in mobiles at this point of time is a bit overrated... We have been seeing phones detect scenes and boost colors based on the scene long before companies started marketing it as AI (Coming from Honor View 10 User) , predictive app mamagement has also been a thing for a long time now.... Sure AI helps do it better... But does it really have to be marketed so much.. In reality my phone with AI doesnt feel as smooth as my friends Oneplus 5t, so im willing to bet oneplus 6 will be even smoother...
Since no one has posted any real camera samples and reviews as of now... I cant say much about it...
Onething that i did notice using the View 10 is the battery life. Its great.. Maybe thanks to the NPU, lets see if oneplus is doing something similar without making a fuss about it...
Overall it looks to be a very 2018 phone with all features te current flagships have - the AI advertising

Firipu said:
Was looking forward to the oneplus 6.
I was thinking to upgrade to either a Mi Mix 2s or OP6. But I don't see what the OP6 offers, besides non-IP rated waterproofing over the Mi Mix 2s.
Same innards.
Same price
Ugly notch
Better blacks?
Arguably worse camera on paper
No wireless charging.
I don't see why you would pick an OP6 over Mix 2s. Miui sucks (got a lot better though lately), but is very easy to replace with a custom ROM.
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Mi mix 2s disadvantages are ,very poor development & community...
If you like to modify your phone ..rooting , trying custom kernels , custom ROMs...etc.. then definitely OP6...
Otherwise Mix2s ..

I'm surprised by some of these comments. You're all asking for features that would clearly bump the price way up? I think you have unrealistic expectations - if you want it to be a s9, buy an s9 lol!
4k panel? Why? Your eyes can't see it, worse battery and more expensive.
The wireless charging, yes it's interesting, but doesn't matter at all to me. It's slower than with wires and I can't play on my phone whilst charging.
The camera is probably the only Biggie for me. I really hope it's low light shots are at least usable. I'm coming from my nexus 6P and this camera has served me very well - I hope the OnePlus 6 is better.
As for other things like the notch - I mean come on guys, if you disable it you can't even see it. With it there you get more screen size.
I think for the price it's a fantastic phone, and the software is a great experience compared to many other cheap alternatives!

cultofluna said:
Mi mix 2s disadvantages are ,very poor development & community...
If you like to modify your phone ..rooting , trying custom kernels , custom ROMs...etc.. then definitely OP6...
Otherwise Mix2s ..
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Not disagreeing, but I have a Mix 2 and redmi note 4. They both have a very active dev community. Really can't complain. Not as amazing as e.g. Nexus devices, but still very good imo. Can't comment on Oneplus dev community though.
And the 2s is a treble device.

wireless charging will always be asked for but hardly be undestood by me.
It's utterly slow compared to any charging solution on market.
Then you go on the charge for a day... it's somewhat convenient, but takes some more room in the phone internals, and on your desk with the charger.
The glass back is more for the awesome mobile network speeds and wifi reception.
As much as I hate glass for shattering, my experience always shown that metal chassis results in poor reception.
Well that's about it. I'm curiously waiting for the oneplus6 to arrive. It was a long time ago with the OnePlus One when I last saw how OnePlus fares...
I'm sure I'm gonna have the U12+ too as well this year, but I needed to check another qualcom rocketed device this year (no kirin or exynos for dev purposes on my end)

Huawei mate 10 pro for oneplus 6

Hi guys. Before mate 10 pro I had op5 8/128 and it was very good phone. Now I have a mate 10 pro and I'm very happy with it.great camera, screen, battery etc.
You thing is worth to sell mate 10 pro and buy op6 8/256?
Can't decide what to do...
Mate the 10 pro be with you

Mise à part Treble , je ne vois pas l'interet de passer du MAte 10 pro au OP6

Stick with the Mate10, MUCH superior phone, for the money, than the Oppo OnePlus6 phone.
The OP6, will as all their other phones, be saddles with out the door bugs that require time and numerous
updates to get working, if at all, not to mention goofy hardware problems like the 5 had with the upside
down screen.

p51d007 said:
Stick with the Mate10, MUCH superior phone, for the money, than the Oppo OnePlus6 phone.
The OP6, will as all their other phones, be saddles with out the door bugs that require time and numerous
updates to get working, if at all, not to mention goofy hardware problems like the 5 had with the upside
down screen.
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I remember the jelly effect on op5. So u recommend me to stay with mate eh?
Is op6 equal as good as mate's camera?
Mate the 10 pro be with you

johnnyman25 said:
Hi guys. Before mate 10 pro I had op5 8/128 and it was very good phone. Now I have a mate 10 pro and I'm very happy with it.great camera, screen, battery etc.
You thing is worth to sell mate 10 pro and buy op6 8/256?
Can't decide what to do...
Mate the 10 pro be with you
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That's interesting. I'm looking to get a new phone and am looking at either the op6 or mate 10. They both have their advantages but the mate 10 seems better. Why are you looking to switch?

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That's interesting. I'm looking to get a new phone and am looking at either the op6 or mate 10. They both have their advantages but the mate 10 seems better. Why are you looking to switch?
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Im very happy with mate 10 pro. Don't know yet.. Maybe cuz it will be more difficult to sell it later on..
Mate the 10 pro be with you

I'm switching from the P20 Pro. As much as I love the camera and dual speakers I just can't stand the software and and lack of community that comes with owning a Huawei device. Not to mention the painfully annoying process to get updates in a timely manner, other countries already had several and I have had nothing, despite some annoying bugs that need fixing.
Not that it's a bad phone, it's just not a fast and smooth enough experience for me. Pixel and Oneplus devices offer a better software experience and that means more to me than the camera.
Everybody has different requirements from their devices though. You can't really go wrong with any of the flagships these days. You just have to weigh up what's more important for your particular needs.

Why you will switch to OP6? It's a big downgrade.
You will get 256GB but with USB 2.0, mono speaker, smaller battery, longer screen, no IP, no IR and more

Klanac89 said:
Why you will switch to OP6? It's a big downgrade.
You will get 256GB but with USB 2.0, mono speaker, smaller battery, longer screen, no IP, no IR and more
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Because most of those features mean very little to me. USB 2.0 does the job, all I need is to transfer my stuff and I'm good to go. Its not something I'll use every day. The speakers I agree, I will miss them a little, but other than my ring tone and the odd YouTube video I don't use them all that much either. I have very good Sony wireless headphones for all my audio needs.
The battery life on Oneplus devices has always been pretty good. As long as it gets me through the day that's all that matters. With dash charge, it isn't much of an issue if I do need a top up from time to time.
No IP...yeah. Not really something essential. It's just another spec to please the spec geeks lol. How often do you go swimming with your phone? I have had mobile phones since they were first available to the consumer market and have never been silly enough to drop my phone in a pool of water. The Oneplus 6 has adequate water protection for real life day to day scenarios like rain and spilling a drink etc.
IR, people actually still use these things?
To me, phones have peaked hardware wise and design wise. There isn't really anything that hasn't already been done. The past few years has shown refinement in already available hardware features rather than anything new or particularly necessary. There isn't much between the flagships hardware wise.
So it all comes down to software. As that's the heart of the user experience and something that has been so important to Apple over the years in terms of it's success.
Huawei doesn't do this very well sadly, neither does Samsung. The Pixel is still pretty much the best experience you can get when it comes to android and it still matches any of the new gen devices, simply because of the software experience and the regular updates.
Oneplus is close, it's got decent hardware and good software and the updates are regular plus the dev community is fantastic. That's rare these days. It's what XDA is all about.
At around half the price of other flagships it can't be beaten. So I'll be selling my overpriced phone while it still has market value and getting a phone with far better support and a better user experience.

What you talking about? The price is good? S9 is 529€, Mate 10 Pro 499€, OnePlus 519€ in 64GB. There is no "good price", it's not cheap anymore and the battery was never good, SOT of 4-5h, 7h with wifi and looking videos, it's Amoled. The speaker is crap, when you calling, not to listen music over the phone.
Almost stock Android, true but this is it. USB 2.0 don't mean just speed, no HDMI over Type C is a other example.
The Mate 10 Pro works perfekt and is unreal fast. Compare to the 5T it's almost the same, the camera is a other world.
The community gets smaller and smaller, because a lot don't care anymore about OnePlus. You pay almost the same price and get what? Over a day I get 7h SOT, with OnePlus I will not get 5h SOT. I think you already have choice to buy OP6.

OOS vs EMUI
BT 4.2 vs 5.0
SD 845 VS kirin 970
camera - i think op6 is up there with the p20 pro
speakers - meh i use bt speakers anyway.
battery - 700mah more on p20pro/m10p 4000 vs 3300 but in reality EMUI sucks that extra 700mah for its NPU and bloat services running 24/7
IR blaster is nice, who actually uses it?
headphone jack vs no headphone jack
huawei planning to overthrow google
oneplus planning to collaberate with google
you pick.

I also have a mate 10 pro and I love it. Battery life is stupid good. Ir blaster which actually I use quite a bit. It's fast. Good enough screen. Plus you can turn your TV into desktop mode which is pretty Cool. The only thing i want is being able to run custom roms. Don't get me wrong, emui is fast but I like all the little features oneplus has. I had the oneplus 1, 3t and Sony xz premium. Then I got the mate 10 pro. I love the phone just wish I could throw a custom rom on.

Ive had a mate 10pro but I give up instead of op6.
Im happy with it first for my solved android car working and second for google assistant

So you guys recommend me not to switch over op6?I saw that night photos from op6 are not so good...

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What you talking about? The price is good? S9 is 529€, Mate 10 Pro 499€, OnePlus 519€ in 64GB. There is no "good price", it's not cheap anymore and the battery was never good, SOT of 4-5h, 7h with wifi and looking videos, it's Amoled. The speaker is crap, when you calling, not to listen music over the phone.
Almost stock Android, true but this is it. USB 2.0 don't mean just speed, no HDMI over Type C is a other example.
The Mate 10 Pro works perfekt and is unreal fast. Compare to the 5T it's almost the same, the camera is a other world.
The community gets smaller and smaller, because a lot don't care anymore about OnePlus. You pay almost the same price and get what? Over a day I get 7h SOT, with OnePlus I will not get 5h SOT. I think you already have choice to buy OP6.
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I think we have our wires crossed, I never owned a Mate 10. I have the P20 Pro. That cost me £800 while the Oneplus was just over £500. I would never have bought a Mate 10.
Never used HDMI. All my stuff is modern, I can wirelessly stream my content. What's good for you isn't necessarily what's good for me.
The speaker is fine when I'm calling, not sure what you mean by that. Can't say I notice much difference in calls when changing phones every year. They are all adequate.
It's a big community my friend, why are you on XDA if that's not important to you? This is a development forum. Something you'll not get with a Huawei device. That's important to me.
My own experience shows that the Huawei P20 Pro isn't a good experience software wise. I have lags and stutters and it's just not up to par for my needs. Especially for gaming. With no update in sight for the issues I have.
Why are you here posting in the Oneplus section if you are so against them? I don't get it. It's like you are very defensive about the phone you have. I'm loyal to nobody. I just get what's suitable to my needs and getting updates and support is one of them.
Be happy with what you have but don't come here telling people what's right for them. I'm not posting in the P20 forum about the Oneplus. I'm swapping my phone and that's the end of it. Lol.

I'm still with mate 10 pro. Can't decide what to do...
Mate the 10 pro be with you

Should I swap the P20 Pro for Pixel 2 XL?

Hi guys,
I've had the phone for a couple of days. What bothers me are the fact that as a latest fragship, it cheaps out on bluetooth chip(4.2). Other devices like pixel 2 from last year already start using 5.0. Not that I really need the bluetooth 5.0. I just don't like being cheaped out to. Also no gorilla glass? I'd admit these are very minor "issues". Maybe I'm a bit of a brand whore. I just can't seem to enjoy looking at the ugly logo of the brand inside and out. The phone is from a contract with the carrier and therefore my choices are limited to what they have at this time. LG 7, V30, Pixel 2 XL to name a few. I'm not interested in anything with storage space less than 128GB (I don't like using sd cards, sorry but I think they are inferior), which brings me down pretty much to Pixel 2 XL. Now I notice there are people here who are coming from Pixel 2 to P20 Pro. I'd really like to hear their thought on comparing these two phones from all aspects before making the decision. I'm also open to other suggestions. Would really appreciate the input!
Neil

w2830 said:
Hi guys,
I've had the phone for a couple of days. What bothers me are the fact that as a latest fragship, it cheaps out on bluetooth chip(4.2). Other devices like pixel 2 from last year already start using 5.0. Not that I really need the bluetooth 5.0. I just don't like being cheaped out to. Also no gorilla glass? I'd admit these are very minor "issues". Maybe I'm a bit of a brand whore. I just can't seem to enjoy looking at the ugly logo of the brand inside and out. The phone is from a contract with the carrier and therefore my choices are limited to what they have at this time. LG 7, V30, Pixel 2 XL to name a few. I'm not interested in anything with storage space less than 128GB (I don't like using sd cards, sorry but I think they are inferior), which brings me down pretty much to Pixel 2 XL. Now I notice there are people here who are coming from Pixel 2 to P20 Pro. I'd really like to hear their thought on comparing these two phones from all aspects before making the decision. I'm also open to other suggestions. Would really appreciate the input!
Neil
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I would suggest waiting for Pixel 3 which is due out in October/November as it would be pointless buying it now.
You have described that you require Bluetooth 5.0 (do you have any devices that specifically require it). Bluetooth 4.2 can still be pretty decent as it has low power consumption
P20 Pro does come with gorilla glass

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I would suggest waiting for Pixel 3 which is due out in October/November as it would be pointless buying it now.
You have described that you require Bluetooth 5.0 (do you have any devices that specifically require it). Bluetooth 4.2 can still be pretty decent as it has low power consumption
P20 Pro does come with gorilla glass
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I don't really need the added benefit of the Bluetooth 5.0. I just don't like the fact that they have cheaped out on this comparing samsung has started using 5.0 since s8 and lots of others. It doesn't offer any confidence in this phone when knowing this. Waiting for Pixel 3 is probably is a good idea. Thanks for the suggestion anyway.

The phone costs less though so you gotta expect some compromises.

Hell no, from my experience the XL2 runs fast BUT very unstable. Apps especially Google Map can quit while you're driving, or whole system can reboot anytime.

My answer is no, if you want to go down pixel line wait until 3 comes out.
I've owned the nexus range and the pixel xl and was going to get a pixel 2 xl, but they are overpriced for what they are (just like apple) and they are full of bugs just like the XL

Pixel line of phones have long lost there edge compared to the Nexus line.
One plus in my opinion make the best "stock" android phones. Anyway back onto topic.
Gorilla glass Vs the tempered glass on the p20 Pro. Both scartch at a level 6 on the Moe's scale of hardness. So I wouldn't be to concerned
Bluetooth 4.2 Vs 5 can't really see much of a argument in a real life setting to why anyone would need 5 compared to 4.2.
If you can't get a one plus 6 and you have to make the choice like now then it feels your online option is the pixel.

There is no way I'd swap my phone for the px2
Or the XL.
The 3 ? Maybe but I'd have to see it

w2830 said:
Hi guys,
I've had the phone for a couple of days. What bothers me are the fact that as a latest fragship, it cheaps out on bluetooth chip(4.2). Other devices like pixel 2 from last year already start using 5.0. Not that I really need the bluetooth 5.0. I just don't like being cheaped out to. Also no gorilla glass? I'd admit these are very minor "issues". Maybe I'm a bit of a brand whore. I just can't seem to enjoy looking at the ugly logo of the brand inside and out. The phone is from a contract with the carrier and therefore my choices are limited to what they have at this time. LG 7, V30, Pixel 2 XL to name a few. I'm not interested in anything with storage space less than 128GB (I don't like using sd cards, sorry but I think they are inferior), which brings me down pretty much to Pixel 2 XL. Now I notice there are people here who are coming from Pixel 2 to P20 Pro. I'd really like to hear their thought on comparing these two phones from all aspects before making the decision. I'm also open to other suggestions. Would really appreciate the input!
Neil
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am personally let go my pixel 2 xl after having p20 pro.
camera is more versatile. smoothness is comparable. screen color is better for doing graphic works (at least IMO), and this one might surprise you, my apps crash less on this phone than on my pixel 2 xl, and 6GB of ram wont hurt either (disable zRAM to feel the true smoothness of this phone)
now am using p20 pro as main driver and redmi note 5 Ai as secondary phone. saving 400++ bucks by doing so. cant be happier

If I could go back in time, I would keep my Pixel 2 XL. That is not without issues though.
On the Pixel 2 XL, Touchscreen is a bit iffy. Battery life is worse (7 hours SOT over a day as opposed to 9 on the Huawei). Display is a little dark, not enough brightness in sunshine. But, if I could go back, I would keep it.
The Pixel is smoother and faster in apps, scrolling is much quicker, graphics power on the Pixel 2 XL is better, the P20 is quite stuttery and laggy.
But I would stick with the P20 for now.

Pros of switching to Pixel 2 XL:
1. Faster, fluid and cleaner software stock android experience. I used Pixel 2 as a work phone and love the Google experience. People buy Pixel for software and camera
2. Faster update to Android P
3. Snapdragon 835 is faster than Kirin 970, especially GPU
4. Google's camera is much simpler than P20 Pro's
5. Pixel 2 has better Stereo speakers
6. Pixel 2 has Bluetooth 5
Reasons for sticking with P20 Pro:
1. P20 Pro has a much better screen to body ratio, more content on a smaller screen
2. P20 Pro's camera hardware is future proof; amazing night mode, the best in market; P20 Pro is basically a camera phone
3. P20 Pro has a bigger battery and well optimized, resulting in much better battery life
4. P20 Pro's face unlock is more convenient than Pixel 2's rear mounted fingerprint reader
5. Pixel 2 XL's screen quality is inferior to P20 Pro's, which has fantastic AMOLED display
6. P20 Pro is future proof because of 6 GB ram, although Pixel 2 XL works equally well with 4GB ram.
Long story short, P20 Pro has a better hardware, but poor software experience in my opinion. Pixel 2 XL's Google experience is a class of its own. Never got such a fluid experience on any phone ever (Not even on One plus series).
I hope it helps

gautam.malik said:
Pros of switching to Pixel 2 XL:
1. Faster, fluid and cleaner software stock android experience. I used Pixel 2 as a work phone and love the Google experience. People buy Pixel for software and camera
2. Faster update to Android P
3. Snapdragon 835 is faster than Kirin 970, especially GPU
4. Google's camera is much simpler than P20 Pro's
5. Pixel 2 has better Stereo speakers
6. Pixel 2 has Bluetooth 5
Reasons for sticking with P20 Pro:
1. P20 Pro has a much better screen to body ratio, more content on a smaller screen
2. P20 Pro's camera hardware is future proof; amazing night mode, the best in market; P20 Pro is basically a camera phone
3. P20 Pro has a bigger battery and well optimized, resulting in much better battery life
4. P20 Pro's face unlock is more convenient than Pixel 2's rear mounted fingerprint reader
5. Pixel 2 XL's screen quality is inferior to P20 Pro's, which has fantastic AMOLED display
6. P20 Pro is future proof because of 6 GB ram, although Pixel 2 XL works equally well with 4GB ram.
Long story short, P20 Pro has a better hardware, but poor software experience in my opinion. Pixel 2 XL's Google experience is a class of its own. Never got such a fluid experience on any phone ever (Not even on One plus series).
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But software can always be improved, and / or we have Roms.

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But software can always be improved, and / or we have Roms.
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Development hasn't been looking good so far, but i do hope we get some more going eventually. Also, yeah i hope stop EMUI gets improved as well.

If P2XL didn't have the issues with screen I would have probably got it as liked the Pixel XL, but I had the initial issues with the halo when taking photos, I couldn't automatically connect to Bluetooth devices and had to manually switch over. It never 6with wifi calling when switched network as that feature was locked to EE and it same on the Pixel 2.
I have a Huawei Watch and switching over phones lost my data as couldn't be backed up on Pixel phones and Google Fit is more than useless with not keeping GPS data and not showing correctly across devices. Apple, Fitbit, Sony and even Garmin apps better.
Even Huawei Health provides better data than Google Fit just shame it can only be backed up and restored on Huawei devices otherwise u lose all data.
I'm still debating which device to get next and may depend on Watch compatibility.
Sent from my Huawei P20 Pro using XDA Labs

Thread from the dead: which phone should I keep?
So I found myself having my P2XL 128gb replaced by Google due to screen burn and a new (refurb) one arrives tomorrow.
In the meantime I had been rolling with a Huawei P20 Pro and it's not bad... Camera IS LOVELY and battery life amazing but I run Rootless Pixel Launcher as I can't stand whatever Huawei call their interface.
So, I can get £300 for my pixel 2 on popular recycling sites or £353 for the Huawei. My buy out on contract is £267.50 so either way I'm quids in.
Now, which one do I keep? It's worth noting my work phone is rolling a P3XL and, to some degree, I need to be in Android Beta Programmes (Q next?) as I'm a dev PM. The P3XL answers this need.
Heart says keep the pixel and flog the Huawei. Head says Huawei mobile the newer model (though not newer handset as, if you remember, just getting a replacement from The Big G).
The pixel FEELS better to me but, as this is my social phone, I'm more concerned with the camera than anything else. Does the P20 Pro triple camera make it worth getting rid of the P2XL? The snail pace of updates to the P20 annoys but thata just me wanting latest and greatest all the time.
Oh, decisions decisions. Either way ONE phone must go tomorrow in the post as I've locked in the prices for both with recyclers.
What would *you* do? Snapper or Pixel?

devynel said:
So I found myself having my P2XL 128gb replaced by Google due to screen burn and a new (refurb) one arrives tomorrow.
In the meantime I had been rolling with a Huawei P20 Pro and it's not bad... Camera IS LOVELY and battery life amazing but I run Rootless Pixel Launcher as I can't stand whatever Huawei call their interface.
So, I can get £300 for my pixel 2 on popular recycling sites or £353 for the Huawei. My buy out on contract is £267.50 so either way I'm quids in.
Now, which one do I keep? It's worth noting my work phone is rolling a P3XL and, to some degree, I need to be in Android Beta Programmes (Q next?) as I'm a dev PM. The P3XL answers this need.
Heart says keep the pixel and flog the Huawei. Head says Huawei mobile the newer model (though not newer handset as, if you remember, just getting a replacement from The Big G).
The pixel FEELS better to me but, as this is my social phone, I'm more concerned with the camera than anything else. Does the P20 Pro triple camera make it worth getting rid of the P2XL? The snail pace of updates to the P20 annoys but thata just me wanting latest and greatest all the time.
Oh, decisions decisions. Either way ONE phone must go tomorrow in the post as I've locked in the prices for both with recyclers.
What would *you* do? Snapper or Pixel?
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Do not get rid of the P2xl because of the triple camera on the P20 Pro. The pixel is still the better all round camera regardless, and with its own new night sight mode, it just got even better.
Keep the pixel

Is it though, Patchy? I took an awesome shot on holiday where you could see Saturn and the P20 picked it out.
Ugh. I'm so conflicted!

devynel said:
Is it though, Patchy? I took an awesome shot on holiday where you could see Saturn and the P20 picked it out.
Ugh. I'm so conflicted!
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I have both phones. It comes to preference, but yeah I find the Pixel always takes nicer photos. Way more consistent. Your call man.

i traded my pixel 2 xl because i was bored with stock android and the ram management was crap . portrait mode was better on pixel 2 xl. But i love the p20 pro for when zooming in pics the pics are still amazingly sharp