I don't have that many apps installed and I don't use any widgets but I only have about 35mb of available RAM. I only started noticing this after I did the OTA update. Is this normal? Thanks for any feedback.
Sounds fishy, I've got about 214MB free and run more than one widget and use plenty of apps. Do you have some sort of a task killer app like Advanced Task killer? What apps do you have running at the moment?
I have like Facebook, Google voice and android keyboard. I'm stock rooted and have some bloatware frozen. I have no idea what is causing this. Some others are android core apps and logs provider?
Well the only way I use up that much ram is if i'm doing a lot of multitasking but all three of those apps are the largest users of RAM in my running services list lol just sayin
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Well the only way I use up that much ram is if i'm doing a lot of multitasking but all three of those apps are the largest users of RAM in my running services list lol just sayin
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That is so wierd...im running many many services yet my ram stays <50%....im on MIUI and frequently use its app killer frees up like 100mb of ram everytime with one click
I have like about 100MB RAM free if I don't clear up RAM for about 2-3 days (well, I do clear it up once in a couple of days if there is any lag). Otherwise I normally have 100-200 MB free. On a fresh boot up, it shows 250+ MB free.
See this --
http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
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So should I factory reset? Odin? Don't know what else I could do.
Bronk93 said:
So should I factory reset? Odin? Don't know what else I could do.
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When in doubt start over I guess, factory reset from CWM which will get rid of apps/data, check you ram usage from there and if you still have subpar Ram usage, somethings probly up. You could even Odin back to bone stock and check from there too...
So i saw many posts on which people have asked as to which task killer should be used !
and then i stumble upon this site which provided me the details,
i just complied info
sources-by Chris Hoffman
http://www.howtogeek.com/127388/htg-explains-why-you-shouldnt-use-a-task-killer-on-android/
Android Doesn’t Manage Processes Like Windows
Most Android users are familiar with Windows. On Windows, many programs running at one time – whether they’re windows on your desktop or applications in your system tray – can decrease your computer’s performance. Closing applications when you’re not using them can help speed up your Windows computer.
However, Android isn’t Windows and doesn’t manage processes like Windows does. Unlike on Windows, where there’s an obvious way to close applications, there’s no obvious way to “close” an Android application. This is by design and isn’t a problem. When you leave an Android app, going back to your home screen or switching to another app, the app stays “running” in the background. In most cases, the app will be paused in the background, taking up no CPU or network resources. Some apps will continue using CPU and network resources in the background, of course – for example, music players, file-downloading programs, or apps that sync in the background.
When you go back to an app you were recently using, Android “unpauses” that app and you resume where you left off. This is fast because the app is still stored in your RAM and ready to be used again.
Why Task Killers Are Bad
Proponents of task killers notice that Android is using a lot of RAM – in fact, Android stores a lot of apps in its memory, filling up the RAM! However, that isn’t a bad thing. Apps stored in your RAM can be quickly switched to without Android having to load them from its slower storage.
In summary, you shouldn’t use a task killer – if you have a misbehaving app wasting resources in the background, you should identify it and uninstall it. But don’t just remove apps from your phone or tablet’s RAM – that doesn’t help speed anything up.
Empty RAM is useless. Full RAM is RAM that is being put to good use for caching apps. If Android needs more memory, it will force-quit an app that you haven’t used in a while – this all happens automatically, without installing any task killers.
Task killers think they know better than Android. They run in the background, automatically quitting apps and removing them from Android’s memory. They may also allow you to force-quit apps on your own, but you shouldn’t have to do this.
Task killers aren’t just useless – they can reduce performance. If a task killer removes an app from your RAM and you open that app again, the app will be slower to load as Android is forced to load it from your device’s storage. This will also use more battery power than if you just left the app in your RAM in the first place. Some apps will automatically restart after the task killer quits them, using more CPU and battery resources.
Whether RAM is empty or full, it takes the same amount of battery power – decreasing the amount of apps stored in RAM won’t improve your battery power or offer more CPU cycles.
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go into settings - apps and see how many running apps you have. now go to cached apps and see there, how many apps there are. you see? nearly 50% of those apps discovered by you in the processes are apps that you didn't opened ever but they are still opened and running. why? because that's how linux manages its resources. instead of having free ram for no use (what's the point of having 14gb of ram when you only use 1gb), linux fills all the ram blocks with useful apps or apps that you are running frequently so that when you call that app, it will bring it on the screen almost instantly. this my friend, is called multitasking.
and no, you are wrong. if you use a task killer killing the apps every 10 minutes, the cycles the whole system does - opening again apps and caching them, task killer closing them - results in much more functions done by CPU => more battery spent. even if you say that the battery life its the same, you are wrong. when using a task killer IT MIGHT drain your battery with 0.1% per hour. it's not that much, but IT EXIST.
oh and yeah, one thing: android has its own task killer. that's why you don't need one app to kill your other apps. because android its doing it by itself. if you don't believe me, strip down one kernel, open the init.rc file and find the values for task killer.
I've never used those programs, I like to use what the phones have by default
But is good to know anyways
I agree with that...to an extent
Auto killing apps is plain stupid, but I do believe in killing certain apps. In a perfect world heavy apps would just be uninstalled, but plenty of useful apps without good replacements are fairly heavy, and it helps to kill them. E.g. after exiting a game I will kill it because its hogging up valuable ram by running in the background, while still using he same resources it uses at the forefront.
I understand that android, and Linux should manage ram well, but more often then not some app is just out there slowing my phone down. Even an hour later of not using that app, it'll still be in the background using up a lot of CPU and ram I don't have (more importantly battery). Android is great at managing smaller apps, but in my experience, it sucks at doing the same for larger apps.
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I don't use automatic task killers, those that are constantly running, but i do kill unused tasks and apps with no reason to be still running. Google services is a common example. It will launch at boot and keep running peemanently, even if you never launch a google app, google services is running, why?
A lot of apps, mostly the free ones, get revenue by reporting anonymous usage statistics (not so anonymous in some cases). So they stick a running service even if the app is never launched again (sometimes even if it isn't launched in the first place).
To sum up, killing everything is bad, but leaving everything to run free can also decrease performance. This can be observed on an android device that has been running for a long time, versus an android device that's just been reset.
some unused tasks will repeatedly rerun even if killed.
This will further decrease battery life and affect performance as resources are needed to keep restarting it.
The best way is to ignore if it takes a small portion of resources or to uninstall the app. Rooted users may disable the triggers via certain apps.
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In phones with very low RAM, this becomes a necessity.
Switching programs take up a lot of time to process unless there is a sizable free RAM
Markuzy said:
some unused tasks will repeatedly rerun even if killed.
This will further decrease battery life and affect performance as resources are needed to keep restarting it.
The best way is to ignore if it takes a small portion of resources or to uninstall the app. Rooted users may disable the triggers via certain apps.
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use auto run manager
it is the answer to most of every body's problems
DarthSimian said:
In phones with very low RAM, this becomes a necessity.
Switching programs take up a lot of time to process unless there is a sizable free RAM
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if u have low RAM, please manually remove the apps!
dxppxd said:
I don't use automatic task killers, those that are constantly running, but i do kill unused tasks and apps with no reason to be still running. Google services is a common example. It will launch at boot and keep running peemanently, even if you never launch a google app, google services is running, why?
A lot of apps, mostly the free ones, get revenue by reporting anonymous usage statistics (not so anonymous in some cases). So they stick a running service even if the app is never launched again (sometimes even if it isn't launched in the first place).
To sum up, killing everything is bad, but leaving everything to run free can also decrease performance. This can be observed on an android device that has been running for a long time, versus an android device that's just been reset.
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use autorun manager, keep it simple
dxppxd said:
I don't use automatic task killers, those that are constantly running, but i do kill unused tasks and apps with no reason to be still running. Google services is a common example. It will launch at boot and keep running peemanently, even if you never launch a google app, google services is running, why?
A lot of apps, mostly the free ones, get revenue by reporting anonymous usage statistics (not so anonymous in some cases). So they stick a running service even if the app is never launched again (sometimes even if it isn't launched in the first place).
To sum up, killing everything is bad, but leaving everything to run free can also decrease performance. This can be observed on an android device that has been running for a long time, versus an android device that's just been reset.
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let me tell you something about google services...
when you installed your rom, you had to check two options from google services - location and another one.
if you are on stock, those options are available in settings also.
the google services are needed (you are running a google os, right?) because without it, the location feature will not work, the play store will give you headaches and not to mention, google now that needs that service like water.
if you kill that process over and over again you will not gain anything because that service will keep restarting it until you will give up. ah, you will loose a massive amount of battery if you do so
another thing, the google service is a system app. system apps have priority in resources so even if you kill now, as i said, it will restart after a few seconds because some apps that you are running are requesting that service.
as someone said here, yes, even I kill games after I stop playing, BUT, I do it from the task manager built in. Settings - Apps - Running apps etc.
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let me tell you something about google services...
when you installed your rom, you had to check two options from google services - location and another one.
if you are on stock, those options are available in settings also.
the google services are needed (you are running a google os, right?) because without it, the location feature will not work, the play store will give you headaches and not to mention, google now that needs that service like water.
if you kill that process over and over again you will not gain anything because that service will keep restarting it until you will give up. ah, you will loose a massive amount of battery if you do so
another thing, the google service is a system app. system apps have priority in resources so even if you kill now, as i said, it will restart after a few seconds because some apps that you are running are requesting that service.
as someone said here, yes, even I kill games after I stop playing, BUT, I do it from the task manager built in. Settings - Apps - Running apps etc.
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task killer
Well, i think a task killer is useful. It sometimes helps to speed-up the phone a bit.
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Well, i think a task killer is useful. It sometimes helps to speed-up the phone a bit.
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No that is wrong.....it consumes more ram it self
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Normally to kill a process I use the Running Tab in Apps, If any recently opened app which I feel should be closed is open I kill it!Though I leave the google services untouched!
Stopped using Task managers and Battery saving apps long time ago!
Want to really save the juice? Try Under Clocking! and killing the bloatware(saves RAM too!)
I used to have a task killer but the more I killed apps, the slower my phone was, so I eventually ended uninstalling it.
great post. lots of usefull info!!
Instead of using a task killer to keep on eating your battery life, simply either delete the app or disable it in your system if it's a system out (eg: default browser, bloatware, etc).
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zomut.watchdog&feature=search_result
its good, but most android users atleaast ppl like me know which apps are usefull and which are not
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its good, but most android users atleaast ppl like me know which apps are usefull and which are not
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Assuming you are replying to me, your response is a bit ambiguous...
Don't know how many of you saw this, but I installed it last night, and it's awesome.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/greenify-keeps-your-android-running-smoothly/
Basically, it allows you to stop apps from running in the background without disabling them. You can still run them like normal, but they don't eat up RAM when you're not. It does stop background functions, but many of the apps I see running like this don't do anything for me in the background anyway. YOU determine what runs in the background instead of your apps.
It doesn't work with system apps, these need to be moved to phone storage before Greenify can take control of them.
I've noticed a definite improvement in available memory and multitasking.
Play Store link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/..._source=xda&utm_medium=post&utm_term=download
You will spend more battery in killing those apps. ram is supposed to be filled up, the only answer to run more apps is to get more ram , not kill running apps.
Did you read the post? It's not a traditional app killer. It prevents them from running in the background at all.
Installed this a few hours ago. Definitely smoother phone, and moderately better multitasking. Been trying to find a way to get rid of pesky Facebook which uses like 25 mb of RAM just to send you push notifications and sync your calendar.
You may need to convert Facebook to a user app first. It can't do anything to system apps. I did it with mine and it's now behaving.
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Hi.
Probably a dumb question especially as I should know this after doing a IT course but is closing apps from the recent apps list a badish thing?
WIth windows I'm used to closing apps to free up RAM for other programs but I've recently found out that android doesn't work like this and it's best to keep the apps in the recents list for faster loading etc. While this makes sense and I have obviously noticed that apps will load faster if they're in the recent apps list but does this not have an effect on cpu or battery life?
Just need some clarification as how how android manages it's RAM compared to windows and whether it has a negative effect on performance if you leave apps in the recents list.
Closing recent apps is no problem at all. If you openend an app (e.g. facebook) and you don't want to use it anymore, you can close it easily to free up your ram. Otherwise they keep in your ram. Of course your recent apps load faster this way, if they aren't to many. The more apps run in background, the more runs your phone slower. In that case, Android closes "big" apps automaticly.
When you're using several apps at the same time, you can switch easily through these recent apps.
If you don't use your phone at the moment, you can just close them.
I think you mean something like task killer apps. These aren't really quite good because Android handles this already very well.
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Hi.
Probably a dumb question especially as I should know this after doing a IT course but is closing apps from the recent apps list a badish thing?
WIth windows I'm used to closing apps to free up RAM for other programs but I've recently found out that android doesn't work like this and it's best to keep the apps in the recents list for faster loading etc. While this makes sense and I have obviously noticed that apps will load faster if they're in the recent apps list but does this not have an effect on cpu or battery life?
Just need some clarification as how how android manages it's RAM compared to windows and whether it has a negative effect on performance if you leave apps in the recents list.
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hi.
there are five catagories in which i devide the android device into (baaed on ram and battery)
1-- low end device (less than 756 mb ram)
generally have a 1800 mah battery or less with a max of 1.2 ghz dual core processor. in these devices using 3g with two apps in background drains your battery like hell.
recommoded to kill apps in background.
2-- low average end device (756 mb of ram)
generally have a 2300 mah battery with 1.4 ghz quad core processor. in these devices using 3g with two apps in backgtound will give a 6 to 8 hours battery backup. but if apps goes more than two it starts heating and battery brains a lil faster. but to play a hardcore game you still have to close 3g and all apps forcefulley.
3-- mid end devices (1 or 1.5 gb of ram)
generally have a 3000 mah battery with 1.4 to 1.5 ghz quad core processor. in these devices using 3g with two apps in background will give 10 hours of battery backup. open max of 5 apps in backgroung will not effect performance and battery backup much. to play high end games again have to close all apps.
4-- mid high end devices (2 gb of ram)
generally with 4000 mah battery with 2 ghz octa core processor. in these devices using 3g with two apps in background will give a 10 to 12 hours of battery backup. open as many apps in background will not effect battery life and performance much. to play games not more than two apps should run in backgtound.
5-- high end devices (2.5 to 3 gb of ram)
generally with a 5000 to 6000 mah battery with 2.5 ghz octa core processor. in these devices apps in background do not effect battery life or performance. on 3g gives a 1 to 1.5 days battery backup. play games with no lag.
if this helped hit thanks.
exceptions are n all over the world. exception is law of nature.
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Greenify.. Look it up
He is not looking for amy app.
He just wants to understand what to do to get more perfrmance or more free ram on any devices.
Just want to understand.
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See android too works with processes and everything, you have foreground apps and background apps and what not..
To speed up, check which app has a service which stays alive all the time, then you travel to Settings>>Apps>>Running
Here see the Ram usage stop processes that you feel u dont need at that time. And then enjot
Thank me if i helped ... ?
Good method
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