So with supposedly only 2 weeks to go before shipping according to the weak statement Andy gave at the Recode conference I'm baffled that there has been absolutely no marketing ANYWHERE ??
Maybe this is because they don't want a mass campaign yet and see how what the guinea pigs...aka us unlocked buyers from website , have to say about it first ..
I'm struggling everyday whether to keep this as priority or just jump ship to OP5
OnePlus burned me way too much with the last few phones they did. I have no faith in them and cant even consider the 5 as a viable option. The Pixel 2 rumors look nice though, but for me the phone is a bit too far away still. So this phone will probably bee the one I end up getting.
As for marketting, looks like Sprint will do some advertising soon.
I'm pretty sure their not trying to sell a ton as they have already acknowledged that 20 million sells would destroy them. They already have 300 mil in investments with a 1 billion evaluation. Word of mouth probably already got them to there goal is
Well Essential is on a good start in Canada. Telus just announced they will carry it.
http://www.gsmarena.com/essential_phone_will_be_a_telus_exclusive_in_canada-news-25635.php
The Niche
Based on what's been shared to date it would seem Essential (Andy Rubin & Co.) are promoting the PH-1 entry as a "Minimalist" Smartphone. A pure Android OS similar to Pixel and a Smarthome Device via their Ambient OS, storing data locally as opposed to Cloud based platforms. No doubt Andriod Purest's are eagerly looking forward to the device. As with any first gen device there will be hurdles going forward but in my mind the biggest will be value. At $700.00 it's surely not a "Minimalist Price" and in direct competition with iPhone 7 and the Galaxy S8. Also the release date is curious, right after the S8 and right before the next gen iPhone. Hard to imagine this marketing approach will pay dividends for the first few years, assuming the company is still in business at that time.
Here's why I would consider the device....
Android OS without all the bloatware
Snapdragon 835 Processor
128GB Internal Storage
Dual Cameras
19:10 Aspect Ratio
Type C 1.0 USB
Here's why I wouldn't consider the device...
1st Generation Device
Limited Carrier Network and Support
Back Mounted Fingerprint Reader
No Facial or Iris Recognition
Propritary Modular Connector
No 3.5 Connector
No Wireless Charging
Not Waterproof
No MicroSD
No Dual SIM
3040 mAh Battery
Price/USD $700.00+
I have not seen any news on how the sales of Nokia 9 pure view are going so far. Are they selling well, poor, sold out ? Anyone ?
If they sell a lot.
My purchase decision is better or worse?
In my country, Huawei P30 Pro despite cost double that Nokia 9 PureView was sold as "donuts" (said of my land)
The problem of all known, and the sales fell, and the forums of crowds of suddenly and porrazo, plummets, and the resales of Huawei's multiplied with the devaluation of the device.
Reviewed this ... the doubt is:
If it sells a lot it is good and if it sells a little it is bad?
If there is information that HDM Global, it is not profitable (in some way) because its profit margin is "poor"
Uses components from last year, does not have a reputation in the market, does not have the commercial pull, nor possibly a development department as numerous, and efficient as it is with OnePlus (which takes updates almost instantly from the problem, to show the last three camera patches while in HDM Global seem to be "by flowers" instead of responding to the user with problems and patch April 1, 2019 on dates of June 14, 2019
Poor support, many faults, fingerprint sensor, camera application with a Pro mode that is unprofessional and in an automatic mode that leaves a lot to be desired and no specific program in night mode, macro mode and other functions that if seen The other brands and models.
The thing is if it sells little? I get discouraged, and if it sells a lot? I come up, the group heat
I've used the Galaxy S2 as my first phone when it was released (the day I decided to become an Android Fan Boy), I've used two <100$ phones that run Android including Redmi 5A. I made sure to get my hands on the OP2 when it was released in India and I've bought the Poco F1 twice (first got flushed drown a drain) all over a span of 8+ years.
I've installed over 50 custom ROMs on mine and my parents' phones (Redmi Note 4, Yu Yureka) and my on laptop too. I've loved CyanogenMod and consequently LineageOS too and they have always shown how powerful a phone can become if you've got the right software.
I've stayed up to date on the latest tech news on a daily basis and I've always looked for phones that have truly stood out (Most of the phones I've purchased have caught eyeballs and wallets of many during their times and in their categories). I've run my hands down a lot of other devices too.
Despite so many great devices being launched, 3 year old iPhones are still among popular best-sellers in the entry level premium segment.
If there's anything that can really challenge the mid-tier dominance of 3 year old iPhones, it is a mind blowing H/W (from someone like Poco) and the OS in it's purest form - Stock Android with UPDATES (this is not emphasized enough).
Though Nokia and Motorola offer these, they often cut costs on H/W.
Xiaomi always makes a "just good enough" implementation of Android One, so as to not cannibalize its own series.
After using the Poco F1, I've realized this phone is exactly everything I need and nothing I don't (which is their motto), but with Android One. I'm pretty sure a lot of Poco Users would resonate, the 90k Pixel Experience ROM downloads, beryllium(code-name) being one of the most popular phones for all major after-market ROMs is a big indicator of an underlying need. Given that Poco has become an independent unit (which basically means they have greater control over marketing and software) and they're planning to launch maybe 1-3 devices (too many rumors) this could be a great pivot point for them.
It's been a dream waiting to happen for years, a true Android One phone + High End H/W + A cost that puts everything else to shame. And I don't think anyone else is poised to do that better than Poco. It's a great strategy to pivot away into a quasi-premium line and compete with High End Chinese + Starting Range OnePlus/Nokia Premium Phones. This is the category that most first time buyers of premium-ish phones flock to.
If all the feedback all over the years has said anything it is this - People want the best H/W with the purest experience of Android and a bang for your buck. In the end it's Xiaomi (Mi, Redmi, Poco) vs BBK (Oppo, Vivo, OP, Realme) anyway (I don't assume Samsung and Huawei would really focus on this given their sheer size and investments in core technologies such as silicon, imaging and network technology).
Poco could be an outlet for all of Xiaomi's best performing H/W tweaked to their philosophy of keeping everything you need and nothing you don't to re-birth as Android One Phones.
I mean why isn't anyone doing this, and why isn't Poco doing it!
Because no one cares about Stock/Pure Android
If you're on XDA anyway might as well flash Pixel Experience and keep on keeping on. I dont know about the ins and outs of making an Android One device, but it would probably involve licensing with Google, and actually not that many people dislike MIUI as you might think. 100K downloads on PE means nothing compares to the total amount of users that didnt even bother to change away from MIUI, or changing ROMs at all
Who will be upgrading to the new fire HD8?
And the HD 8 plus will be fantastic if we install google! 3gb RAM will be a game changer!
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...e-hd-8-plus-kids-edition-usb-c-wireless-specs
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Who will be upgrading to the new fire HD8?
And the HD 8 plus will be fantastic if we install google! 3gb RAM will be a game changer!
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...e-hd-8-plus-kids-edition-usb-c-wireless-specs
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It is good, but likely expect to be stuck on fireOS without root or lineage. The fire 10HD (2019) has the same processor and it was limited root exploit that was blocked as soon as it came out. Exploits are harder to find, i guess i would hope that it can install play services, block updates, and change launcher. If amazon hasn't blocked the exploits in the newer fireOS. Maybe someone will pick one up after a while or amazon sales and look into exploits, but i wouldn't count on it. Seems development is dying...
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It is good, but likely expect to be stuck on fireOS without root or lineage. The fire 10HD (2019) has the same processor and it was limited root exploit that was blocked as soon as it came out. Exploits are harder to find, i guess i would hope that it can install play services, block updates, and change launcher. If amazon hasn't blocked the exploits in the newer fireOS. Maybe someone will pick one up after a while or amazon sales and look into exploits, but i wouldn't count on it. Seems development is dying...
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According to the Amazon developer website - https://developer.amazon.com/docs/fire-tablets/ft-device-specifications-firehd-models.html the new HD 8 (2020) has as Mediatek MT8168 versus the Mediatek MT8183 with the HD 10 (2019).
I would be amazed if mtk-su is not blocked out of the box. It is also possible that they have crippled bootrom mode like they have on late examples of the HD 8 (2018).
Anyone who does get the new tablet, I would recommend not letting it update at least until it has been thoroughly checked out. I let my HD 10 (2019) update to OS 7.3.1.1 only to find out a couple of weeks later that the OS version it shipped with was vulnerable to an updated version of mtk-su.
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According to the Amazon developer website - https://developer.amazon.com/docs/fire-tablets/ft-device-specifications-firehd-models.html the new HD 8 (2020) has as Mediatek MT8168 versus the Mediatek MT8183 with the HD 10 (2019).
I would be amazed if mtk-su is not blocked out of the box. It is also possible that they have crippled bootrom mode like they have on late examples of the HD 8 (2018).
Anyone who does get the new tablet, I would recommend not letting it update at least until it has been thoroughly checked out. I let my HD 10 (2019) update to OS 7.3.1.1 only to find out a couple of weeks later that the OS version it shipped with was vulnerable to an updated version of mtk-su.
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Yeah i misread, 4 cores (hd8) vs 8 cores (hd10). I would prefer the 8 cores over the ram... You only need ram if you are multi-tasking or gaming (from my experience). But either way, looks like they are trying to kill their echo show line with a dock and wireless charging.... I would suspect the same android 9 version that the hd10 (2019) has, based off what amazon usually does....
https://www.amazon.com/All-new-tablet-display-portable-entertainment/dp/B0839NDRB2
Amazon launches a new Fire HD 8 and HD 8+ (10th generation, 2020) in this quarantine.
Reviews:
Pros (Excellent things)
-> MediaTek MT8168 (64-bit quad-core) faster processor.
-> USB-C charging (this is not a Thunderbolt).
-> Wireless charging (only on plus model).
-> MicroSD up to 1 TB.
-> 2 MP rear/front facing camera.
-> 1280x800 HD IPS display.
-> 2GB of RAM for standard model, 3GB for plus model.
Cons (Terrible things)
-> No Google services pre-installed.
-> Amazon OTA update is critical, vulnerable, and no security updates.
-> Basic root method has been limited and patched by Amazon.
-> Bootloader exploit and vulnerability are difficult.
-> Silk browser is useless and dangerous (not secure, scamming, malvertising, phishing, hijacking, and stealing personal information).
-> 32-bit OS. That can't install some 64-bit APKs.
-> No Wi-Fi display (Miracast).
-> Adware on the lock screen that can't see your notifications.
-> No low audio latency supported. That audio latency is horrible when using digital audio workstation like FL Studio Mobile.
-> Fire launcher is useless (no shortcut, no app widget, no personalization, and a lot of weird user interface).
-> No camera autofocus.
-> Single camera lens.
-> Camera is terrible (focusing is bad, low quality, viewing isn't wider, and a few noises).
-> No USB-C power delivery.
-> No ExFat file system supported.
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the new MT8168 is produced in 12nm.
while the old MT8163 from HD8 (2018) is produced in 28nm.
This should bring better effecency
Will the SD card support ExFat this time? Or is Amazon still refusing to pay Microsoft for the license to use it?
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Will the SD card support ExFat this time? Or is Amazon still refusing to pay Microsoft for the license to use it?
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How would anyone know? Amazon doesn't say and device won't be released until early June. Left my crystal ball at the office.
I've been waiting for this info for nearly a year. I bought the 2017 7 (first Fire tab) Sept. 2018. It's slow and REALLY slow with Google services. But, for $30+tx, it makes a great video bell for my ring doorbell. I bought the 2019 10 end of Nov. For $70+tx, it's a fantastic device. (FWIW, my favorite tablet was the Nexus 9--when it worked, which was about half of the time.) I'd been back and forth with the idea of getting the 2018 8. After it went on sale the end of April, along with 20% off for Discover/AmEx, I figured that no matter what, it was worth using my low value reward points just to buy the damn thing. Well, it arrived, and I ran it through Fire Tool Box (thx Datastream33) which included my Nova Prime launcher. It surely did seem slow. Factory reset and it was faster (no surprise there), but I couldn't live without Chrome and gmail so, back to Google. This time I didn't set up Nova. ATM, the speed is in-between stock and full google with Nova. The tablet is a good size for grab-and-go. But, it's no 2019 10. I can still return this one, but I'm gong to keep it. However, I will definitely be looking at the new 8's--and deals to buy one. My 10 works perfectly with google and nova so I'm hoping the same for 2020 8.
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I've been waiting for this info for nearly a year. I bought the 2017 7 (first Fire tab) Sept. 2018. It's slow and REALLY slow with Google services. But, for $30+tx, it makes a great video bell for my ring doorbell. I bought the 2019 10 end of Nov. For $70+tx, it's a fantastic device. (FWIW, my favorite tablet was the Nexus 9--when it worked, which was about half of the time.) I'd been back and forth with the idea of getting the 2018 8. After it went on sale the end of April, along with 20% off for Discover/AmEx, I figured that no matter what, it was worth using my low value reward points just to buy the damn thing. Well, it arrived, and I ran it through Fire Tool Box (thx Datastream33) which included my Nova Prime launcher. It surely did seem slow. Factory reset and it was faster (no surprise there), but I couldn't live without Chrome and gmail so, back to Google. This time I didn't set up Nova. ATM, the speed is in-between stock and full google with Nova. The tablet is a good size for grab-and-go. But, it's no 2019 10. I can still return this one, but I'm gong to keep it. However, I will definitely be looking at the new 8's--and deals to buy one. My 10 works perfectly with google and nova so I'm hoping the same for 2020 8.
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Hi i have the 2019 10 but its stock and has never been on the internet so just load eBooks and mags so far what would you recommend to do on this device love the USB C glad that was on it don`t know why they never made a stand for this one but will for the new 8" 2020
i also have the 2018 8 so far i have the case open and its in its box not done a thing to it was going to short out the device but chinked out
last but not least a brand new 2019 7 not open not used got it as a gift for my mum who told me where to ***** it as my mum has never been on the internet and as far as she sees it i spend to much time in space as it is lol
what would you recommend to make these items the best they can be Thank you so much for any advice and hope you are all well in this strange times
TY
DB126 said:
How would anyone know? Amazon doesn't say and device won't be released until early June. Left my crystal ball at the office.
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I was only curious, putting the question out there. We'll know soon enough.
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I was only curious, putting the question out there. We'll know soon enough.
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Highly unlikely, why would amazon do it? They sell these to promote amazon, the prices are low to do this. I don't see why they would have any incentive to change. They barely support newer android and only make changes that benefit them. The only reason they upgrade the newer Android is because the apps they promote are obsolete in newer android systems. My opinion...
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Highly unlikely, why would amazon do it? They sell these to promote amazon, the prices are low to do this. I don't see why they would have any incentive to change. They barely support newer android and only make changes that benefit them. The only reason they upgrade the newer Android is because the apps they promote are obsolete in newer android systems. My opinion...
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sc00terc;82588587...what would you recommend to make these items the best they can be Thank you so much for any advice and hope you are all well in this strange times
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My 10 is basically access to info on the web and my email accounts, but I also have Hangouts and Zoom on them, just in case.. The camera works pretty well on the 10 for Zoom, but Android only allows 4 panes on a page. I use my Pixel 3a for that. I use Chrome and like the sync feature. I used to use tablets for reading but found it too hard on my eyes so we all have Kindle paper whites. I've rooted almost every piece of android I've ever owned beginning with the Pandigital novel about a million (ok, maybe 10) years ago. However, I don't care about that for the fire tablets since I can access google quite easily (even easier since the Fire Tool Box was created). I jailbroke one or two Apple devices but still didn't care for them. These are toys for me although I don't play games on them. A lot of people use their phones for everything, but I don't want a very large phone so the screen size isn't great for me to read web pages. However, tablets travel easily. If I'm not driving, I will set up wifi hotspot on my phone so that I have access to a larger screen. It's much easier to take the 8" tablet with me than the 10" for a short trip.
Your tablets seem to be doing very little; however, that's great if that's what you want. Sorry you messed up with your mum. I'm a mom of two middle-aged guys, and I'm thrilled to get anything from them! I do get that some people just aren't into technology. You could sell the 7, or even give it to someone who might like it. If you're not doing anything with the 8", maybe it wouldn't matter if you bungled the hardware hack. It seems you wanted to try it out. That can be nerve-racking. "Cowards die a thousand deaths ...." That's what I always think about when I'm trying to shore up to tackle something new and daring--AND costs money!
I'm sure you'll get some great suggestions from others (without having to read a novella).
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Spot on, mate.
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i will probably get one though either way, just to see. Amazon has never been that thorough closing root access.... So my curiosity will likely make me get one! LOL
machina77 said:
Who will be upgrading to the new fire HD8?
And the HD 8 plus will be fantastic if we install google! 3gb RAM will be a game changer.
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Would love to pick up the 8+ charging dock bundle, BUT only if it can be rooted and flashed with a vanilla Android ROM, which is why I'm poking around the forum today. Really just want to use it as a music streamer (files & apps) by attaching an AudioQuest Cobalt, then out to an Amp. The up to 1TB of data could come in handy.
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Would love to pick up the 8+ charging dock bundle, BUT only if it can be rooted and flashed with a vanilla Android ROM, which is why I'm poking around the forum today. Really just want to use it as a music streamer (files & apps) by attaching an AudioQuest Cobalt, then out to an Amp. The up to 1TB of data could come in handy.
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Highly unlikely. Rooting, already a tough prospect on many Amazon devices, will be a lot tougher going forward with newer code bases. Writing has been on the wall for many months (years).