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Thought this may be of interest... I see other threads out there related to some older phones, but nothing related to the GNex5, so I thought I'd start one here.
I'm on Sprint, and apparently I can't do simultaneous voice and data with LTE or 3g during voice calls. Wifi seems to work just fine. Anyone else experiencing this with Sprint? What's the experience for those using T-Mobile/ATT? Stock or unlocked? I've also noticed that I'm unable to update my PRL or Profile (Network Error). I am unlocked and rooted at the moment. Did not notice this as I didn't tinker with it prior to unlocking.
Coming from Samsung GS3 and GN2 with Sprint where the LTE/3G radio is separated, I did not realize this was still a technological challenge... I went with this phone simply because it was inexpensive for the hardware and I don't have to renew my contract to avoid paying an arm and a leg. Have I just hit a "You get what you pay for" scenario, putting me (or anyone using CDMA) back 3 years in radio tech??
The phone has to support SVDO in order to do voice+data on Sprint. Very, very few phones do (the EVO 4G LTE did, the HTC One didn't, for example). It requires a special antenna configuration as well IIRC.
cadbomb said:
Thought this may be of interest... I see other threads out there related to some older phones, but nothing related to the GNex5, so I thought I'd start one here.
I'm on Sprint, and apparently I can't do simultaneous voice and data with LTE or 3g during voice calls. Wifi seems to work just fine. Anyone else experiencing this with Sprint? What's the experience for those using T-Mobile/ATT? Stock or unlocked? I've also noticed that I'm unable to update my PRL or Profile (Network Error). I am unlocked and rooted at the moment. Did not notice this as I didn't tinker with it prior to unlocking.
Coming from Samsung GS3 and GN2 with Sprint where the LTE/3G radio is separated, I did not realize this was still a technological challenge... I went with this phone simply because it was inexpensive for the hardware and I don't have to renew my contract to avoid paying an arm and a leg. Have I just hit a "You get what you pay for" scenario, putting me (or anyone using CDMA) back 3 years in radio tech??
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Unfortunately no, the nexus 5 does not support SVDO or SVLTE. This means it also will only connect to one airlink at a time - when you receive a call, it will switch to 1x, pausing your LTE, similar to older handsets.
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Unfortunately no, the nexus 5 does not support SVDO or SVLTE. This means it also will only connect to one airlink at a time - when you receive a call, it will switch to 1x, pausing your LTE, similar to older handsets.
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Too bad... Found more on s4gru regarding this:
"That is what we have been told. Sprint tri band LTE devices will not support SVLTE. Whether that is due to band 26 LTE 800, band 41 TD-LTE 2600, or the combination of the two, we do not know. And the sample size is very small right now to project unconditionally into the future. But the standard expectation going forward should be no SVLTE on Sprint multi band LTE devices. Simultaneous voice and data will have to be accomplished by other means, such as third party VoIP apps and eventually VoLTE."
I are a sad sprint customer lol. Also why I went with a multi carrier phone off contract June 2014 can't come soon enough, cause I loves this phone!
This was my biggest complaints with this phone on sprint. I couldn't do it so I activated it using straight talk for att and couldn't be happier. It's unfortunate that spark phones on sprint won't do simultaneous voice and data, at least for now. But I'm not willing to compromise.
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laestrella said:
This was my biggest complaints with this phone on sprint. I couldn't do it so I activated it using straight talk for att and couldn't be happier. It's unfortunate that spark phones on sprint won't do simultaneous voice and data, at least for now. But I'm not willing to compromise.
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I hear that. My biggest issue with switching providers is that I average 5-6gb of data usage/mo on my line and about 12gb combined with the other two phones on my family plan (Ting told me not to switch lol). It's hard to beat the bargain offered for services rendered from Sprint. Nickles and dimes I suppose. Oh well, maybe 2015 will be the year of the phone... (Oh wait, we'll probably have 5g by then and tri-band will evolve to octa-band with the same problems )
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I hear that. My biggest issue with switching providers is that I average 5-6gb of data usage/mo on my line and about 12gb combined with the other two phones on my family plan (Ting told me not to switch lol). It's hard to beat the bargain offered for services rendered from Sprint. Nickles and dimes I suppose. Oh well, maybe 2015 will be the year of the phone... (Oh wait, we'll probably have 5g by then and tri-band will evolve to octa-band with the same problems )
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I still have a family plan on sprint so if my data amount becomes an issue I'll go back but for now I'll sacrifice more data for fast and always available data, and at a rate of $45 I'll take it.
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This was my biggest complaints with this phone on sprint. I couldn't do it so I activated it using straight talk for att and couldn't be happier. It's unfortunate that spark phones on sprint won't do simultaneous voice and data, at least for now. But I'm not willing to compromise.
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I have ST AT&T service. When I am on a call though, I lose LTE. It switches me to H (HPSA I think). Speed is not terrible, but would be nicer to have LTE while on a call. Do you have the same experience? If not, do you know how I can have LTE while on a call? Thanks.
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I have ST AT&T service. When I am on a call though, I lose LTE. It switches me to H (HPSA I think). Speed is not terrible, but would be nicer to have LTE while on a call. Do you have the same experience? If not, do you know how I can have LTE while on a call? Thanks.
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Nope, that's by design. It has to do with available radios. If LTE isn't on a separate radio it can't be used simultaneously. On the upside, having less radios means better battery life overall.
I love my S6, but I can't believe Verizon doesn't let you talk and surf at the same time, like you could with the S5.
I have advanced calling on, which theoretically let's you do it, but if you are not on LTE, it won't work.
Really Verizon? I thought we were in 2015.
Wait so if you're in 3g we can't do voice and data? That sucks been doing it since my note 2 days
I have no problem doing both while connected to advanced calling. However, if advanced calling isn't available, I can't surf the internet. This isn't a Verizon thing, it's a Samsung deal. They didn't include the radio to allow for it. This may very well have sealed the deal for me to take it back and stick with the Note 4. Being in a rural area a lot, I need both no matter what network is currently available.
It's a CDMA carrier issue with these newer phones that only have a single antenna for cellular radio.
Droid Turbo, Moto X, Nexus 6, HTC m9, etc...
It would be the same on other CDMA carriers such as Sprint.
I first noticed it when I got a Droid Turbo, and it was really frustrating. You also notice it when using SignalCheck Pro, on my G3 you see a 1X and LTE connection active, but on the S6 you see either or depending on your connection.
You wouldn't think it would add much cost to the phone with the second antenna.
VoLTE has always required LTE to function. The giveaway is the freaking "LTE" in the name.
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VoLTE has always required LTE to function. The giveaway is the freaking "LTE" in the name.
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I'm fairly certain everyone in here knows this. The issue isn't with VoLTE, it's that they left a radio out that allows talking and surfing without VoLTE. Note 4 and LG G3 could do it before they received the update that made them VoLTE capable.
You're confusing simultaneous voice and data with VoLTE. OP sure didn't understand that LTE is required for VoLTE.
What has changed is that Verizon is starting to ONLY support simultaneous voice/data VIA VoLTE, in place of extra radios.
Unfortunately this is Verizon's trend. In theory it should improve battery life vs a two radio system. In theory...
They're pushing for this and honestly I think it's a bad choice, at least in the short term. Calls while using VoLTE on Verizon are 100% dependent on your LTE signal. So if it gets too weak or you have to switch to 3G, the call drops. It also can be unusable if the LTE signal is weak. Verizon's FAQ even says if you're in an area of weak LTE or spotty LTE, to disable VoLTE. AT&T and T-Mobile have a fallback so the call won't drop.
To be sure that I am understanding correctly, let me ask it in a dumb downed way.
When you are on 3g and make a call, you can NOT use internet simultaneously.
If you make a call while in LTE, you CAN use the internet while in the call.
This has been the case with VZ and LTE as far as I can remember. No LTE, no internet+call.
Is this situation different? Think I am just misreading and not understanding.
EDIT: And to be clear, I am talking about the beginnings of LTE. Like in the Thunderbolt days. The advanced calling feature was not around that I am aware of.
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To be sure that I am understanding correctly, let me ask it in a dumb downed way.
When you are on 3g and make a call, you can NOT use internet simultaneously.
If you make a call while in LTE, you CAN use the internet while in the call.
This has been the case with VZ and LTE as far as I can remember. No LTE, no internet+call.
Is this situation different? Think I am just misreading and not understanding.
EDIT: And to be clear, I am talking about the beginnings of LTE. Like in the Thunderbolt days. The advanced calling feature was not around that I am aware of.
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There are a number of techs involved with have both voice and data for CDMA phones/network like VZW. In the past, VZW LTE phones could connect Data on the 4G LTE and have voice connection over 3G/CDMA simultaneously but on the newer phones like the Turbo, Nexus 6, S6 this is no longer possible UNLESS you have VoLTE enabled and are in a 4G LTE location.
The Thunderbolt actually can have both 3G data and Voice simultaneously and one of the few phones which could do that but the battery quickly dries up
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Ah ok, makes sense. That is what I thought, just wanted to make sure.
Guess I will hold on longer to my Note 3 and S3(love it)for a while longer. The S3 is still a great phone in my opinion. Does what you need, and fairly well. Plus you pretty much can recover from any brick status.
Sad to see the way phones are going. Locked bootloaders, no root, forced crapware, no sd card, built in battery.
Next up will be DNA link to your device for "Security". That silly fingerprint reader is so yesteryear.
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WTF? Am I the only one who needs to use data while on a long (conference) call?
I spend most of my time in metro areas with LTE, but Verizon wants to alter my unlimited data plan to activate voLTE. Not happening.
My VZW LG G3 didn't have this issue. I'm no expert here, but there won't be a root or ROM that is going to help me with this problem, right? This is a hardware issue, correct?
Looks like my wife is getting a shiny new Samsung phone.
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WTF? Am I the only one who needs to use data while on a long (conference) call?
I spend most of my time in metro areas with LTE, but Verizon wants to alter my unlimited data plan to activate voLTE. Not happening.
My VZW LG G3 didn't have this issue. I'm no expert here, but there won't be a root or ROM that is going to help me with this problem, right? This is a hardware issue, correct?
Looks like my wife is getting a shiny new Samsung phone.
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Talk and data works fine on LTE.
You won't lose your unlimited plan to use VoLTE, I use it just fine.
The G3 was one of the last phones to use two radios simultaneously. A ROM won't fix it.
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With the original Edge I know you sacrificed an antenna for the screen so no surfing and voice. Are you all saying even the regular S6 only has 1 antenna?
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With the original Edge I know you sacrificed an antenna for the screen so no surfing and voice. Are you all saying even the regular S6 only has 1 antenna?
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Yes. If you don't have an LTE connection and don't have Advanced Calling enabled, you won't get simultaneous voice and data.
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With the original Edge I know you sacrificed an antenna for the screen so no surfing and voice. Are you all saying even the regular S6 only has 1 antenna?
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It's all recent Verizon phones. The Nexus 6, Droid Turbo, One M9, S6, etc. None can talk and surf at the same time without VoLTE.
Yeah I'm guessing we are headed towards total VOIP.
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Yeah I'm guessing we are headed towards total VOIP.
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That's what Verizon wants. It would be great if Verizon had a fallback if LTE was weak or drops... but as it is right now, it simply takes what Verizon was known for (call reliability) and throws it down the toilet. Ok, it's not that bad... but in the years we were with Verizon before VoLTE, I really don't think I ever dropped a call. I'm sure that's not true, but it was rare. Since VoLTE, it probably happens a few times a month, easy, maybe more . And since I got the S6 last Friday, I've had 4 total due to what appears to be a weaker LTE signal in general on the S6.
I've seen this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/cro...ad-progress-please-leave-im-updating-t2871269
And since we're all pretty sure due to FCC filings that the Moto hardware supports band 12, could anyone tell me itd be possible to open this great budget phone up to t mobiles expanding 700mhz coverage?
Even if you unlock the band, without VoLTE support you wouldn't be able to make calls or send/receive sms messages. This is why Motorola disabled it.
Is that really so important though? Data coverage is all I really need. If there's 2g or 3g fallback texts will still come in, and I think I've gotten texts on lte only mode on my galaxy s4 even on roms that don't support VoLTE or WiFi calling, so texts might still work. Calling can easily be done over Google hangouts as a data call anyway. The coverage is most important to power users, not making it compatible with calls
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I'll be driving to Seattle from Chicago next week and I could use all of the additional coverage I can get. I really don't care if I can't get traditional voice / text, hangouts etc are perfectly fine stop gaps. I'm going to buy a Moto G from Best Buy and try this but with no band 12 near me I can't know if it actually is working. If anyone who has coverage in their area wants to give it a shot, I think everyone would love to know if its possible.
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Is that really so important though? Data coverage is all I really need. If there's 2g or 3g fallback texts will still come in, and I think I've gotten texts on lte only mode on my galaxy s4 even on roms that don't support VoLTE or WiFi calling, so texts might still work. Calling can easily be done over Google hangouts as a data call anyway. The coverage is most important to power users, not making it compatible with calls
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If the radio supports band 12, then you can definitely unlock it. Give it a try.
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If the radio supports band 12, then you can definitely unlock it. Give it a try.
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I returned my phone, and that guide seems to be very device specific. Since no one has done it for the Moto G 3rd gen yet, I could easily brick my phone with the only fix as "flash the stock FTF file" which seems to be some special file for sony devices? I'd rather not get in over my head and ruin a brand new device.
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I found this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55475431&postcount=1
But it's for 1st gen
Just so you know.. most of the twin cities area you'd be driving through has band 12 with t-mobile (multiple sources on Google as well as personal experience working at MSP). Band 12 probably wont be deployed anytime soon in rural areas because T-mobile is only using it in urban areas to penetrate buildings with lower frequencies with less line-of-sight areas. What you'd be wanting to look for is T-Mobile refarming their old 2G (EDGE) towers to LTE. Regardless, even with 2G coverage you can still get calls/text/Google Maps to work.
I travel all of North America for work and I'm in a different state every week. I carry a T-Mobile phone as my primary and a Cricket phone (through AT&T) as a backup. I know most people don't have that luxury of carrying two carriers with them, so I keep up to date on this stuff as best I can. People have been getting really mis-informed with this whole T-Mobile Band 12 thing lately.
Another trivial fact.. Minneapolis metro area is one of the best covered metro locations in North America for T-Mobile. Because they bought out VoiceStream, that was one of their top markets. I remember having them when I lived up there years ago!
Anyway, have a safe trip! I'm jealous you're heading to Seattle. Used to live out there as well and I woul do anything to move back! I just got married out there last December.
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Someone check the link shared by lockheed_man in a Moto G (3rd generation)?
Thanks in advance
Anyone with an unlocked band 12?
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Is that really so important though? Data coverage is all I really need. If there's 2g or 3g fallback texts will still come in, and I think I've gotten texts on lte only mode on my galaxy s4 even on roms that don't support VoLTE or WiFi calling, so texts might still work. Calling can easily be done over Google hangouts as a data call anyway. The coverage is most important to power users, not making it compatible with calls
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Regular sms needs a voice signal. If you got a text with only data it was an mms.
I purchased the Pixel from the Google store, and I'm pretty sure it will work on MetroPCS, I'm just hoping someone who knows a little more about how that aspect of the network works can give me a little more insight.
I'm getting a little sick of paying $130 a month for 1 phone with 16 GB of data, and that is after a 22% discount through work...
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I purchased the Pixel from the Google store, and I'm pretty sure it will work on MetroPCS, I'm just hoping someone who knows a little more about how that aspect of the network works can give me a little more insight.
I'm getting a little sick of paying $130 a month for 1 phone with 16 GB of data, and that is after a 22% discount through work...
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I'm confused if you're paying that much why don't you just switch to their parent network(T-Mobile). You'll get much more incentives on a better network for a lower price.
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I'm confused if you're paying that much why don't you just switch to their parent network(T-Mobile). You'll get much more incentives on a better network for a lower price.
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the $130 is my price on Verizon. MetroPCS is $60 a month flat for unlimited data, and it doesn't throttle you down after a certain amount used. My biggest concern was T-Mobile customers having priority on the towers over MetroPCS customers during high congestion. but my friend who has MetroPCS used his all day at the Minnesota State Fair, data, calls, whatever, and never had an issue. That's 200,000+ people in a little over a square mile area, if he wasnt having priority issues then, I doubt I ever will.
It's mostly a question of since I bought the Google version of the Pixel instead of the Verizon version, will I be able to just stick a MetroPCS simcard in it and and have it work.
Oh I see. Was very lost with pricing lol, but yes seeing that metro pcs is a true gsm carrier all the bands for their network should be on the pixel...
It should work just fine. My experience with metro in one of the largest cities in the country (Houston, TX) has been great. I haven't noticed any slower data performance or call drops than when I had TMo proper, and you still get all the TMo perks, like not charging for data for popular apps like Youtube and Spotify (I don't pay for unlimited).
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It should work just fine. My experience with metro in one of the largest cities in the country (Houston, TX) has been great. I haven't noticed any slower data performance or call drops than when I had TMo proper, and you still get all the TMo perks, like not charging for data for popular apps like Youtube and Spotify (I don't pay for unlimited).
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I'll be doing unlimited so that I can use Playstation Vue mobile without issues, and to watch Red Zone once I find another cheap alternative (Going to hate giving up my $1.99 a month access to it through Verizon. Vue charges $39.99 for 6 months). I watched an hour of the Olympics while mobile once and used about 4 GB of data...
I am thinking about going this route... but want to be sure that the Pixel will work with all of the TMobile bands so i'll have good service as well as the Wifi Calling work. Anyone with MetroPCS and a Pixel able to confirm?
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anyone know for sure ? Wifi calling?
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Should work just fine on both WiFi calling and even voice over LTE. The only band the pixel doesn't have is Band 71.
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Should work just fine on both WiFi calling and even voice over LTE. The only band the pixel doesn't have is Band 71.
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Do you know how important Band 71 is?
I ask because I first had a Verizon Branded V20 and brought it to T-Mobile.. The reception was fairly poor around my house.. would barely get 4g .. and seemed to be bouncing towers... but when I sold it and got a T-Mobile Branded V20.. the reception is tons better.. works great. So i just want to make sure Band 71 isn't a primary one and i'll go back to having bad service with a Verizon / Unlocked Pixel version.
Thanks!
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Do you know how important Band 71 is?
I ask because I first had a Verizon Branded V20 and brought it to T-Mobile.. The reception was fairly poor around my house.. would barely get 4g .. and seemed to be bouncing towers... but when I sold it and got a T-Mobile Branded V20.. the reception is tons better.. works great. So i just want to make sure Band 71 isn't a primary one and i'll go back to having bad service with a Verizon / Unlocked Pixel version.
Thanks!
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Band 71 is only for extended LTE. Really isn't that big of a deal. Verizon branded phones are different they have bands that are sometimes locked for Verizon. The only real difference between the Verizon pixel and the pixel from google was the unlock able boot-loader. As for band 71 it's not deployed in some cities and depends on where you live. Th most important band is band 12 which the google pixel has. I've had the pixel for Verizon and never had any problems with service or even download speeds. As for band 71 not even the pixel 2 or the iPhone x have it so you really don't need to worry about it. It should work on Metro pcs, but i believe you need update your imei through the Metro pcs website.
I just picked up a pixel 1 in great condition yesterday and did carrier swap this morning by phone and it works very well. Go for it
Yep! The wife bought me one! So I was able to get it up and running on Friday... been using it all weekend! So far it seems to be working wonderful!
I will be receiving my U12+ tomorrow. Interested in everyone's opinion as to which carrier I should go to in order to activate on. I have been with Sprint since 2005 and obviously I have no choice but to jump elsewhere. What are your thoughts regarding T-Mobile, Verizon, and AT&T? I know T-Mobile is missing a band... what is everyone utilizing? Looking for the best experience as far as network quality and not being limited with HD video. Would like to be able to take advantage of this device's ability to produce great visuals... want to be able to watch 4K or 1080P videos on youtube etc... Thanks in advance for the assistance!
Verizon you'll be stuck to using just LTE with no CDMA fallback in areas that aren't yet converted. Also a hassle to activate apparently.
At&T you'll pretty much not have WiFi calling and maybe no VoLTE. AT&T is stingy I guess.
T-Mobile you'll have Wifi calling and VoLTE from the get go I believe. You won't have 600mhz but besides that everything else should be fine.
Verizon has done a good job getting LTE coverage in most areas. I've run into rural (practically middle of nowhere) areas that LTE is too week and latency is just Terrible. With my iPhone I've been forced to turn off LTE to get decent service off 3G.
I switched back to T-Mobile recently which gave me a reason to order the U12+ with no concerns on network. Yea I won't have 600mhz LTE, but I personally don't care. They've been doing a decent jump at meeting their timeline in converting 2G/E into LTE in most areas.
Went to T-Mobile store near me because I was told when I Switched carriers that any new phone I would need a new SIM Card. Guess what, a knowledgeable sales rep said no need. Took the Sim Card out of HTC U11 and inserted into U12 and instant connection. Wifi Calling did take awhile to connect for the first time after installing Leedroids Shortcutter, due no Wifi Calling icon in settings. Works great so far.
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Went to T-Mibile store near me because I was told when I Switched carriers that any new phone I would need a new SIM Card. Guess what, a knowledgeable sales rep said no need. Took the Sim Card out of HTC U11 and inserted into U12 and instant connection. Wifi Calling did take awhile to connect for the first time after installing Leedroids Shortcutter, due no Wifi Calling icon in settings. Works great so far.
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Are you able to get 1080p 60fps on youtube with TMobile? VoLTE?
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Are you able to get 1080p 60fps on youtube with TMobile? VoLTE?
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On 4G LTE Band 12, Earth from Space 1080P 60fps played with no hiccups.
Voice calls and surfing the Net at the same time is working too.
So...what is verdict here...TMobile > Verizon? Itching to go activate
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So...what is verdict here...TMobile > Verizon? Itching to go activate
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Well it has been stated with good reliable source that Verizon will not have VoLTE or WiFi Calling.
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Well it has been stated with good reliable source that Verizon will not have VoLTE or WiFi Calling.
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Thanks for the input...up and running on T-Mobile! Was the easiest transition from a carrier ever! Wifi-Calling works, VoLTE works, and phone is amazing!
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Went to T-Mobile store near me because I was told when I Switched carriers that any new phone I would need a new SIM Card. Guess what, a knowledgeable sales rep said no need. Took the Sim Card out of HTC U11 and inserted into U12 and instant connection. Wifi Calling did take awhile to connect for the first time after installing Leedroids Shortcutter, due no Wifi Calling icon in settings. Works great so far.
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That's really good to know, thanks. I'm switching to T-Mobile from Sprint myself. Been with them for 14 years, I've had enough.
I wonder if the sim card in my 10 will do the same thing?
I'll find out Monday when my 12 gets delivered.