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[Q] Dual-booted TF101 optimised for work.

Greetings,
I have looked at information on the internet (including this forum) with regards to loading different a different OS onto the TF101. There is a lot of information on how to do it, but very little explaining how satisfactory the result is.
Here is my situation:
I have ordered a refurbished TF101 + Dock for under $400 delivered. This is covered by a 12-Month warranty.
My plan was to use this device primarily as a work-oriented device. I am studying law and am required to take excessive notes, apply for clerkships, and write fully referenced (NB: footnoted) essays.
I only have 2gb per month of mobile data which means I spend a lot of time at various educational institutions. I also work mobile pretty often (train ride into city, etc). Essentially I'll be using this primarily as a netbook with an awesome battery life
While the TF101 seems like an perfect device for someone with my lifestyle, the lack of any android app which allows for footnoting is unforgivable. The decision to dual-boot ubuntu is a logical solution.
Onto my questions:
1. Is there any issue setting up dualboot on a TF101 from a bootable USB drive on a windows based OS?
2. How does ubuntu run on the TF101 in terms of productivity? I have read about what functions are supported; but I'm wondering how it all works in practice. It doesn't seem like anyone has turned their TF101 into an ultrabook with a killer battery life and tablet functionality.
3. I have read that bricking is always reversible. Is this the case? I don't plan on deviating from instructions from xda. I understand that there is always a risk, I just want to know my chances.
4. Does it matter whether HC or ICS is loaded on this tablet when it arrives? Are there any steps I should take to update the OS before dual-booting
5. Are there any drawbacks to clocking to 1.4Ghz? Does this affect battery life and if so, to what extent?
6. Is there a lite version of ubuntu I could dual-boot on my TF101 to improve performance/work efficiency? If so, how would this change the instructions listed: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wik..._an_Asus_EEEPad_Transformer#Installing_Ubuntu. Would installing a lite version be necessary? Could the TF101 handle full office applications running a full version of ubuntu without increasing the clock speed? I'm just trying to get a sense of how sharp the TF101 feels running programs on ubuntu.
7. Are there any other things I should consider to optimise my TF101 to perform at the level I indicated?
Thanks for bearing with me. If it seems like I've bought the wrong device, I just find it amazing that I could have a low-spec ultrabook and a tablet with a battery life better than both for under $400. I figure I can boot android for tablet use (calendar, browsing, reading) and ubuntu when I need to get some serious office-type work done
Thanks again for reading.

Let me try to address these one at a time to help you out with your purchase, also glad to see you pick the TF It's a wonderful tablet.
"This is covered by a 12-Month warranty." - If you install Ubuntu, root or otherwise, it will almost Surely void this warranty, so be careful as it is refurbished, inspect carefully and make sure it isn't a lemon (bad tablet).
"the lack of any android app which allows for footnoting is unforgivable" - Quickoffice seems to support this, although it is $20 -- link.
1. A bootable USB stick setup on windows WILL NOT work on the tf, you must use the Android Debug Bridge to install it on the tf. Instructions in link below.
2. It works, but not like desktop ubuntu, as the ARM processor doesn't support 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit applications. So WINE WILL NOT work, AT ALL.
Read what will and will not work here.
3. This is heavily dependant on the version of your tablet, older (b60 or lower) devices have sbkv1 and therefore support NVFlash, which means you can always (unless you.. microwaved your tablet or something..) restore a brick. If you have a newer (most b70s and all b80s and up) sbkv2 tablet like mine, it will not work. If you follow instructions carefully when messing with your device though it's pretty hard to COMPLETELY brick it, although all user data can be at risk.
NOTE! If you have a tablet with sbkv2 you Can Not install Ubuntu on it with the installer. I won't say At All, as there is probably a way, but it would be very hard.
4. You would probably want to update to ICS first, Asus provides this update through ota updates pushed to the transformer or off of their website. It is a smoother experience. Or you could root and flash a custom ROM, (even smoother! ) Also see #5
5. If you want to overclock to 1.4 Ghz you Must Root and flash a custom rom and Kernel (important) that supports overclocking, and may not be able to use ubuntu at the same time as it seems to overwrite the recovery slot (correct me if I'm wrong someone). It does affect battery life by a noticeable amount, (roughly 20% would be my guess) and you really shouldn't need to OC if you're just word processing though. The tf is a pretty fast tablet xD I overclock mine to 1.2 for general use and gaming.
6. Searched, and not that I could find, sorry :/
7. Yes, flash a custom Rom and Kernel, there are many to choose from! The ones I use work great and are in my signature. ARHD Rom and TastyMehIcs kernel. It's all up too you though.
In conclusion I think you would be better off using android as the Ubuntu is pretty limited, quickoffice should be fine. Go ahead and optimize it though, and if you have a sbkv1 tablet you can try it out!
ToD
Edit: You could also look into remote desktop to computer to word process, but that would lock you to your 3g wifi speed and be non-native. -shrugs- Splashtop HD is pretty fast on a home n+ wifi network.

Thanks!
Thanks for your response - it changes everything!
"the lack of any android app which allows for footnoting is unforgivable" - Quickoffice seems to support this, although it is $20 -- link.
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I actually spent quite a while looking around for android apps with full office functionality. Like quickoffice, I found that numerous apps supported viewing footnotes, but none which actually allowed for their creation.
The only solution I've found for footnote creation via android is google docs desktop view, but it's really barely functional at best on android.
I'd also like to use freeware when possible.
1. A bootable USB stick setup on windows WILL NOT work on the tf, you must use the Android Debug Bridge to install it on the tf. Instructions in link below.
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Ok, I've never actually installed linux on my computer, but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it
2. It works, but not like desktop ubuntu, as the ARM processor doesn't support 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit applications. So WINE WILL NOT work, AT ALL.
Read what will and will not work here.
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I don't think this will be a problem. For what I'll use the tablet for, it seems like I'll have plenty of office, video, and utility applications that run natively on ubuntu.
3. This is heavily dependant on the version of your tablet, older (b60 or lower) devices have sbkv1 and therefore support NVFlash, which means you can always (unless you.. microwaved your tablet or something..) restore a brick. If you have a newer (most b70s and all b80s and up) sbkv2 tablet like mine, it will not work. If you follow instructions carefully when messing with your device though it's pretty hard to COMPLETELY brick it, although all user data can be at risk.
NOTE! If you have a tablet with sbkv2 you Can Not install Ubuntu on it with the installer. I won't say At All, as there is probably a way, but it would be very hard.
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This is a problem; I've determined the item in the mail is an sbkv2.
This link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1345049 says I can still root the sbkv2. Are there any implications that would prevent me from dual-booting ubuntu?
Otherwise, you've convinced me that clocking would be unnecessary. I really would like to dual-boot ubuntu eventually however for the flexibility (and freeware-ness) of the applications.
For instance, I might download a video clip or pdf, need to unzip it and then find it needs a weird codec to play.
I'm not really a fan of "apps" on mobile devices. I find that they are generally very limiting: they use too much processing power for what they are, they often have an unreasonable price-tag/bloatware, and they are designed for small mobile devices, so the interface lacks functionality.
For example; none of the android office apps support footnote creation. Only some support viewing. Clearly the hardware of the TF101 would allow it to footnote easily, so I feel like I should have the ability to use this hardware to achieve the functionality of a netbook
That said, I'm keen to use the whole android/mobile app interface when I've separated the tablet from the dock and recline to watch youtube or check my emails

Alright, I'll look into it more as to getting Ubuntu on a sbkv2, as I'd want to do it too, but for now, assume no as I've looked into it before and no cigar.. I believe there is a chroot method but that is slow buggy non-native etc so it's probably not what you're looking for. Using desktop view in Dolphin Browser HD is actually about the same as pc browsing, just tested on google docs. Or you could always type out your docs on the tablet then get on a pc/desktop view and add footnotes later. (roundabout, I know x.x)
Rooting the sbkv2 and romming is easy, but sadly Nvflash doesn't work at all till ASUS unlocks the bootloader or someone cracks it.
"I'm not really a fan of "apps" on mobile devices. I find that they are generally very limiting: they use too much processing power for what they are, they often have an unreasonable price-tag/bloatware, and they are designed for small mobile devices, so the interface lacks functionality. "
The way android works helps to manage processing power very well, so you shouldn't be worried about a smooth experience if you root rom and optimize. As for the design most major apps have an HD version specifically for tablets, and many are free (if you can get past ads or use a blocker ) Any other questions/concerns?

Thing O Doom said:
Any other questions/concerns?
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At this point I'm only really trying to figure out whether there is a way to dual-boot ubuntu. I have more reading to do, but my current reading suggests that it's possible - just not sure how accessible the process is to someone like me.
Law here allows us to return an unopened product within 7 days of purchase, so I will have to weigh up whether I can reasonably expect a way to run ubuntu in the future, and whether I should just have fun with android in the meantime.
I'll be happy to keep it if I thought there'd be a way to run ubuntu (or asus releases the key) sometime in the next couple of months. Otherwise I've just spent $400 on something that my current (old, heavy, 1hr battery) laptop does better.
EDIT: Remote desktop isn't a possibility due to my lack of internet.
2ND EDIT: I've made a bit of a mistake: the model no is TF101-1B180A, but as far as I know it is skbv1 (fingers crossed) which means I can use the PRIME installer. I guess I shall find out tomorrow morning!
Thanks again for the help!

What you really need to find out is the serial number - If it's B60 or lower it is sbkv1, if it's B70 it could be either (mine is a b70 but is sbkv2, my friends is a sbkv1, we both got it in best buy on the same day ) The ubuntu help and installer thread in the dev forum can help you if you have sbkv1, I can help walk you through everything if you'd like too. Asus is 'planning' to release the bootloader, which will happen eventually as people continue to pester them, and there is a way I'm sure.

Just an F.Y.I it is possible to install Ubuntu on an SBK2 device followinf the instructions in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1537566
As for the speed of it, it is not great(I did the mount-loop install on the internal storage which is at least faster than installing on an sdcard). I havn't tried overclocking yet to see if that helpls. Also a number of things do not work at all/ need some tweaking to work.

how about tethering from wifi from your phone and using something like splashtop?
I have a TF101G so the internet issue is a bit less troublesome.

That guide you linked seems a bit roundabout, but I'll try it out and if it works TYSM xD Thanks. ^^

It is layed out pretty well in the third post. I used the Dual-boot with loopmounted image option and just followed the instructions in that post. Just make sure you have rooted and installed cwm recovery.
Also I am not sure if the android kernels linked in the post are ics or hc ones, but if you upgrade to ics there are a couple kernels available in the dev section.

Theres an app called ubuntu installer, it isn't native but may work about the same, also testing now.
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Thing O Doom said:
Theres an app called ubuntu installer, it isn't native but may work about the same, also testing now.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using XDA
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I wouldn't bother with that, it is far too slow to be useful in my experience.

EDIT: deleted because it sounds negative. Basically I'll need to try to return/sell this if I can't get ubuntu working because android cannot do what I need it to.

As I pointed out previously it doesn't matter if you have an sbkv2 device as far as installing Ubuntu is concerned.
Just follow the instructions here after rooting the device.
It is not perfect though, there are a few bugs and as far as I know no one has got hardware graphical acceleration working yet so you can't watch videos. I think sound isn't working yet either.
Also don't expect the same programs you would find in windows or even linux normally as many programs have yet to be ported to arm based linux.

Nairbly said:
As I pointed out previously it doesn't matter if you have an sbkv2 device as far as installing Ubuntu is concerned.
Just follow the instructions here after rooting the device.
It is not perfect though, there are a few bugs and as far as I know no one has got hardware graphical acceleration working yet so you can't watch videos. I think sound isn't working yet either.
Also don't expect the same programs you would find in windows or even linux normally as many programs have yet to be ported to arm based linux.
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Thanks for the instructions.
I NEED this device to be able to perform full word procesing as a minimum. I also want to be able to have multiple windows open so I can actually see what I'm writing, and I would like to be able to see what I'm typing as I type it instead of a second later. I need to be able to use keyboard shortcuts and select text easily. Lastly, I need to be able to streamline the OS so it can run quickly.
If a TF101 with ubuntu dual-booted is unable to accomplih this, somebody please tell me now.

umfortunately I have:
Chip UIP: 0x42890884140b097
SBkv2
Now looking up instuctions to root SBKv2

Nairbly said:
As I pointed out previously it doesn't matter if you have an sbkv2 device as far as installing Ubuntu is concerned.
Just follow the instructions here after rooting the device.
It is not perfect though, there are a few bugs and as far as I know no one has got hardware graphical acceleration working yet so you can't watch videos. I think sound isn't working yet either.
Also don't expect the same programs you would find in windows or even linux normally as many programs have yet to be ported to arm based linux.
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Nairby,
You didn't mention how to root an SKBv2. Would you use the Universal root toolkit 7.1 found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1185104 ?

If its on ICS: Vipermod option 1.

If it's on HC, root with the razorclaw tool by downgrading the firmware then flash an ics rom. Very easy and no computer required.

Thing O Doom said:
If it's on HC, root with the razorclaw tool by downgrading the firmware then flash an ics rom. Very easy and no computer required.
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I receive the message "this device lacks the needed file (bad luck)" after insalling

Ubuntu For Android (Not Ubuntu Installer)

The guys over at Ubuntu are developing something REALLY nice for the Android that are able to support both HDMI and USB, which I think the PLAY is capable of. This is some legit stuff guys! Time to revolutionize!
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
It says that it's for multi-core phones, but maybe this could be ported to work on the PLAY in the long run? Discuss here!
EDIT: Something already popped into my head, since other Ubuntu distros can already be merged with the original Ubuntu itself, do you think removing the Android Ubuntu elements and adding them to a desktop Ubuntu system, then connecting the phone via USB with Debugging enabled would do the trick?

I'd love it if someone ported it to the Play, but I doubt it will happen... I guess they say it's for dual core phones for a reason (performance!)
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Selim873 said:
The guys over at Ubuntu are developing something REALLY nice for the Android that are able to support both HDMI and USB, which I think the PLAY is capable of. This is some legit stuff guys! Time to revolutionize!
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
It says that it's for multi-core phones, but maybe this could be ported to work on the PLAY in the long run? Discuss here!
EDIT: Something already popped into my head, since other Ubuntu distros can already be merged with the original Ubuntu itself, do you think removing the Android Ubuntu elements and adding them to a desktop Ubuntu system, then connecting the phone via USB with Debugging enabled would do the trick?
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From what info i have got about the system it really is much like my project but tailer made to the tes device (atrix 2) with extra goodness that a team working hard have come up with...and not just me lol.
But if they release source it should let us come up with a installer that does everything they show for a much larger range of devices...we are already working on some of the features just a big 'watch this space'
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It's already possible to run a full linux distro under Android. Bit hacky though. It runs in the background and you have to VNC into it to use the GUI. Works pretty nicely however. There are a few apps which automate the process, including this free one which works pretty well now:
play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.galoula.LinuxInstall&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5nYWxvdWxhLkxpbnV4SW5zdGFsbCJd

Nextil said:
It's already possible to run a full linux distro under Android. Bit hacky though. It runs in the background and you have to VNC into it to use the GUI. Works pretty nicely however. There are a few apps which automate the process, including this free one which works pretty well now:
play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.galoula.LinuxInstall&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5nYWxvdWxhLkxpbnV4SW5zdGFsbCJd
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He knows this hence the (Note Ubuntu Installer) referring to one of my apps

Still no news here looks like its not running inside android like a vmware. Needs a dual core so that each core runs a different os. Ubuntu is utilizing one of the cores so would be worth while overclocking where possible. The host core still runs android so that they run together on the oppisite clocks

[Resolved] Flashing

What happens if somebody flashes (like a ROM) an Ubuntu image on an Android based smartphone?
Please write a response to my other question which is about to run an other Op. System on an Android phone without running Android at the same time.

I saw something like this a long time ago. The answer is that it won't boot, UBUNTU wasn´t design for an touch screen smartphone, there is a huge diference between a notebook and a cellphone. Second thing is that an Android need basically two system "structures" in order to function properly in one specific harware, you will need a ROM and a Kernel specially designed to a device so it can run properly.
So, if you search a little, there is an modded UBUNTU running on some Android devices... got to check...:good:

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I saw something like this a long time ago. The answer is that it won't boot, UBUNTU wasn´t design for an touch screen smartphone, there is a huge diference between a notebook and a cellphone. Second thing is that an Android need basically two system "structures" in order to function properly in one specific harware, you will need a ROM and a Kernel specially designed to a device so it can run properly.
So, if you search a little, there is an modded UBUNTU running on some Android devices... got to check...:good:
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Thank you for your answer!

[BUILD][03-Sep-2016][SP2] Android-x86 / Remix OS

Hi Devs!
I'm wondering why not more people here working to get android lollipop working on our beloved tablets
I started to read a little bit into the topic and found quick easy solutions on the web to get ordenary android-x86 images boot very well.
Draco wrote an How-To that is easy and works also perfect with the Surface-Pro
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/android-x86/D85Jq02cLrE
I modified the UEFI files to work better with a out of the box intallation of the Surface and put it together with Android 5.0.2 test builds.
Collect everything I've uploaded in a Folder:
https://drive.google.com/folderview...V3VU0wYV9MY2VVVkY2eGJPT0EyTkQ4WnM&usp=sharing
working
multitouch screen
sound
internal Wifi from SP2 (88W8797)
Bluetooth
Type Cover 2 (on installation also)
Touch Cover 2 (on installation also)
Inclinometer (= rotation sensor)
Ambient light sensor
Front Cam (tested with open Camera)
Rear Cam (tested with open Camera)
OpenGL (tested with Antutu)
Issues so far
Accelerometer [HID-SENSOR-200073.0]
Gyroscope [HID-SENSOR-200076.0]
Magnetometer [HID-SENSOR-200076.0]
MS Pen not working
YouTube Videos not working (only low resolutions, working over chromecast)
...
Are there more people interrested in getting latest Android working better on our Surface Pro?
I can support and provide with modified files and my modified How-To if someone like to join.
Remix OS link:
Remix OS with working WiFi
Bliss-x86 link:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/x86-bliss-x86-pc-s-t3534657
regards
Sandman01

bootmanager, gapp[EXT4], WIFI [firmwar+module], Type/Touch Cover 2
How-To
Here to download a Testbuild for Android 5.0.2 from Google Groups from rgb
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/android-x86/3xClAbl5D_w
Info:
If an microSD card is inserted the boot process will fail, because the microSD replaces the SSD to be the hd0 device.
Solution: change the grub.cfg entry from hd0 to hd1 and also do the mod in the loopback cfg
[EDIT]: sinc latest UEFI Firmware update, booting from microSD isn't working anymore
gapps can be used from any place, just copy the contens of the .zip file to there correct places.
atm I use a small gapps package from paranoidandroid (PA)
http://d-h.st/o72
WiFi: (not required any more on available builds)
I compiled a build on my Ubuntu intallation and extract the files for you, hope copy the files works also on the downloadable iso.
Please give me feedback if the files are working for you.
usb8797_uapsta.bin replaced in /lib/firmware/mrvl/
mrvl folder replaced in /lib/modules/3.10.58-android-x86+/kernel/drivers/net/wireless
Touch/Type Cover 2: (not required any more on available builds)
hid folder replaced in /lib/modules/3.10.58-android-x86+/kernel/drivers/

Genymotion is a good choice

snailx said:
Genymotion is a good choice
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Genymotin is only a emulator as far as I see!
I'm one of the users who want to run an os natively like i did with osx.

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Genymotin is only a emulator as far as I see!
I'm one of the users who want to run an os natively like i did with osx.
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Hi,
I'm very interested in this!
Could u pls post a tutorial of installing OSX on surface pro 3 ?
I have only installed Max OS 10.9 in VMware, but it's not smooth verywell.
Does WiFi work well within your OSX install ed on the Disk ?

Hi!
For OSX Yosemite go to
http://www.insanelymac.com
I'm on the SP2 and WIFi only per external USB Stick sorry
I hope similar tho the SP2 kex Files for SP3 are available
For me OSX with the use of touchscreens is not very comfortable.
Is like Win7 to small buttons
Also at Android I only get WIFI working via external USB Stick atm.
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Thanks a lot, I'll try it.. someday..

Solution for gapps found by the guys from google groups.
Use a EXT4 Partition on the USB-Drive/SSD to get gapps working like a charm.
Post 2 with HOW-TO updated

Surface Pro 3
I can verify that this does not work on the Surface Pro 3. The touchscreen doesn't work, the type cover doesn't work and the pen doesn't work, so I can't even choose my language on the first screen.

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I can verify that this does not work on the Surface Pro 3. The touchscreen doesn't work, the type cover doesn't work and the pen doesn't work, so I can't even choose my language on the first screen.
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I'm sorry for that, if you have time, can you also test a available Android 4.4.4 installation if olso there touchscreen is not working?
I correct the title and update the OP that everyone sees that on SP3 ther are more problems.
Touchscreen is working on SP2 but Type Cover 2 did not so I also need an external USB keyboard for analysing things in console (ALT+F1)
regards
Sandman01

sandman01 said:
I'm sorry for that, if you have time, can you also test a available Android 4.4.4 installation if olso there touchscreen is not working?
I correct the title and update the OP that everyone sees that on SP3 ther are more problems.
Touchscreen is working on SP2 but Type Cover 2 did not so I also need an external USB keyboard for analysing things in console (ALT+F1)
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Sandman01
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Sure, I've got time!
I'm just going to try installing 4.4.4 and seeing if it works.

I'd like to see Lollipop for my RT

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I'd like to see Lollipop for my RT
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Haha, I understand you, but I have to mention that I'm a noob.
As far as I understand, creating/porting the drivers/firmware/kernel modules for the surface rt will be much more difficult than starting from an existing project like android-x86.
At the moment I split my SSD into more partitiones, installed the third OS (Ubuntu 14.10), get the complete code from git repository and try to set up the build environment to learn more about things are working together.
Also on Ubuntu the WIFI (USB version of MARVELL 88W8797) wont work out of the box but after replacing the firmware from git.marvell.com I get it up working.
Unfortunately this is not working on Android that easy.
The kernel modul for WIFI is loaded (mwifiex.ko) but no additional network interface is showing (mlan0 should be created)

sandman01 said:
Are there more people interrested in getting latest Android working better on our Surface Pro?
I can support and provide with modified files and my modified How-To if someone like to join.
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Haha, so glad I found this thread. First things first, is your avatar a paragliding or skydiving canopy? If so, end cells look fantastic and very nice acrobatics with your leg straight up...how did you manage that?
I spent all evening and well into the morning finally getting 4.4-r2 running successfully on my SP2 using Draco's guide. Very nice work there from him.
It's unbelievable how smooth the Android experience is natively. When people recommend the emulators they just don't understand until they experience it themselves.
I have the Type Cover 1, and it's fully functional, but bluetooth and WiFi do not work. I have an Edimax EW-7811Un which does work, but the internet speeds are unusable; it maxes out at .25 Mbps. Is there something I need to do or is there another WiFi dongle which works better? Which one do you use?
Do you know of any combo WiFi/BT dongles that work?
If I can solve the WiFi issue (don't really care about having a small dongle plugged in for android), I will be one happy camper.
One more question: I read the 4.4-r1 had some drivers or something that 4.4-r2 didn't. However, I couldn't get it to boot from USB (it would hang on the android screen). With that said, I just replaced the files within the 4.4-r2 files with the 4.4-r1 on the USB. Do I have to rebuild the thumb drive or can I just replace files?
I will try the Lollipop build later. Good to find someone else doing this! Too bad we're both newbs lol.

dimex said:
Haha, so glad I found this thread. First things first, is your avatar a paragliding or skydiving canopy? If so, end cells look fantastic and very nice acrobatics with your leg straight up...how did you manage that?
I spent all evening and well into the morning finally getting 4.4-r2 running successfully on my SP2 using Draco's guide. Very nice work there from him.
It's unbelievable how smooth the Android experience is natively. When people recommend the emulators they just don't understand until they experience it themselves.
I have the Type Cover 1, and it's fully functional, but bluetooth and WiFi do not work. I have an Edimax EW-7811Un which does work, but the internet speeds are unusable; it maxes out at .25 Mbps. Is there something I need to do or is there another WiFi dongle which works better? Which one do you use?
Do you know of any combo WiFi/BT dongles that work?
If I can solve the WiFi issue (don't really care about having a small dongle plugged in for android), I will be one happy camper.
One more question: I read the 4.4-r1 had some drivers or something that 4.4-r2 didn't. However, I couldn't get it to boot from USB (it would hang on the android screen). With that said, I just replaced the files within the 4.4-r2 files with the 4.4-r1 on the USB. Do I have to rebuild the thumb drive or can I just replace files?
I will try the Lollipop build later. Good to find someone else doing this! Too bad we're both newbs lol.
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Hi there!
I got 4.4-r2 working on my SP3 and about the internet issue you can use usb tethering with your Android phone
Both LTE and Wifi work and I get the same speed as my phone

dimex said:
Haha, so glad I found this thread. First things first, is your avatar a paragliding or skydiving canopy? If so, end cells look fantastic and very nice acrobatics with your leg straight up...how did you manage that?
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Thats a paragliding canopy, and what you can see is the basic you have to manage when you want to fly acrobatic style.
Its a full stall where the canopy is not flying forward any more an the pilot is falling backwards untill the body stabilized under the backflying canopy
At the moment I use a USB2.0 HUB to connect the USB-Drive and the WLAN Stick at the same time. because after the last firmware Upgrade of my SP2 the Tablet do not boot any more from the microSD card. ?!?
The WLAN Stick is a original Samsung WIS12ABGNX for my Samsung TV/BD Player I used to test what can be done with them.
on Win8.1 I got a Speed of approx. 8-9MByte/sec (internal Marvell Wifi)
on Android 5.0.2 I got 4-5MByte/sec (external Samsung Wifi)
on Sony Xperia Z2 5.0.2 (unofficial) I got 2-3MByte/sec (internal ... Wifi)
when copy a file between my NAS (100MBit Network LAN structure)
so there is room for improvement, but first I really like to get more familiar with building Android from source by my self and try to get the internal Wifi working.
Also on Ubuntu 14.10 WiFi is working but not very stable but it does. (with including the firmware from git.marvell.com)

shasen1235 said:
Hi there!
I got 4.4-r2 working on my SP3 and about the internet issue you can use usb tethering with your Android phone
Both LTE and Wifi work and I get the same speed as my phone
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I'd rather get a small nano USB WiFi dongle and "set it and forget it." I don't want to have to carry around the SP2 and my phone with a USB cable just to use the internet.
sandman01 said:
Thats a paragliding canopy, and what you can see is the basic you have to manage when you want to fly acrobatic style.
Its a full stall where the canopy is not flying forward any more an the pilot is falling backwards untill the body stabilized under the backflying canopy
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Ya, the image was blurry, I was pretty sure that was a paragliding wing. I was a competitive high-performance canopy pilot (swooper) but have been out of the sport for a number of years. Some of the canopies now have radically different designs and the different wings between skydiving/paragliding/etc are merging now to make some cool stuff. Made a few paragliding flights, but never got into it.
sandman01 said:
after the last firmware Upgrade of my SP2 the Tablet do not boot any more from the microSD card. ?!?
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You were able to boot android directly from a microSD and keep the SSD untouched (didn't even think of that)? Did the upgrade affect the partitions at all? Maybe the set root=(hd0,gpt#) and root=/dev/sda# changed, but I'm sure you already looked at that.
sandman01 said:
on Win8.1 I got a Speed of approx. 8-9MByte/sec (internal Marvell Wifi)
on Android 5.0.2 I got 4-5MByte/sec (external Samsung Wifi)
on Sony Xperia Z2 5.0.2 (unofficial) I got 2-3MByte/sec (internal ... Wifi)
when copy a file between my NAS (100MBit Network LAN structure)
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Ok, I just want to make sure we're on the same page here. So on Android you were getting 5 MBps (40 Mbps)? That's super fast, unless you meant 5 Mbits, which is still faster than what I'm getting. Right now, I'm getting 0.25 Mbps (0.03125 MBps) which is unusable. I have another WiFi dongle arriving today, so maybe that will help. If it doesn't, why am I getting such slow speeds?

dimex said:
Ok, I just want to make sure we're on the same page here. So on Android you were getting 5 MBps (40 Mbps)? That's super fast, unless you meant 5 Mbits, which is still faster than what I'm getting. Right now, I'm getting 0.25 Mbps (0.03125 MBps) which is unusable. I have another WiFi dongle arriving today, so maybe that will help. If it doesn't, why am I getting such slow speeds?
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Hi!
I did a 2nd x-check
Defenetly can receiver a 260MB file Form my NAS with ~3,2 Megabyte (~2min) per second and transmit the same file with ~4,5 Megabyte per second back to my NAS with the external Samsung USB WiFi stick
I would say its also possible to installiert Android to the microSD on a EXT4 partition and boot it via Grub.
Yes its all about the (hd0,gpt2) and /dev/sda2 or similar.
Just try it and if the numbers are not correct Boot into Grub and adapt the setting by pressing "e" and thest the setting with "F10"

Well I just tried the TP-Link TL-WN725N and it did not work at all.
Tried within 4.4-r1 that's installed to SP2's SSD and Lollipop booting from USB. WiFi just hangs at turning on and doesn't recognize the dongle.
Why am I getting such slow speeds on the other dongle? And do you know of any specific nano WiFi dongles that work well for this application? I tried searching on Google and in the Android-x86 group but came up empty.
I just want WiFi!!!! :crying:

Hi sorry for my english,there is a guide for install android on surface pro 1 ?
I think is same of surface pro 2, thanks.......

Wine 3.0 on Android

It is here,
https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/android/
But ain't working on pixel. I am pissed off. Any workarounds?

It is not compatible with Oreo yet.
Just let them know on their forums:
https://forum.winehq.org/viewforum.php?f=2

NoobInToto said:
It is here,
https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/android/
But ain't working on pixel. I am pissed off. Any workarounds?
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Look into Crossover. It uses WINE. http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/11/07/crossover-android-chrome-os-enters-open-beta/

skawtnyc said:
Look into Crossover. It uses WINE. http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/11/07/crossover-android-chrome-os-enters-open-beta/
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Unfortunately, it is not for ARM devices...

I hope they'll update it so it's compatible with Android Oreo devices.

Looks like the new WIne 3.0 is ARM-compatible, and has been compiled for ARM devices:
https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/android/

I have Oreo on my Nexus 7 2013, wine works, tried to install some apps but no luck, only errors. Internet Explorer works, but i see only blank white web pages

numbazZ said:
I have Oreo on my Nexus 7 2013, wine works, tried to install some apps but no luck, only errors. Internet Explorer works, but i see only blank white web pages
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what kind if binaries / apps were u trying to run?

nine7nine said:
what kind if binaries / apps were u trying to run?
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Tried Live For Speed installer, also exe from unpacked game, and some photoshop cs6 repack) as i know LFS works good on wine.
Will try something else tomorrow

numbazZ said:
Tried Live For Speed installer, also exe from unpacked game, and some photoshop cs6 repack) will try something else tomorrow
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how about trying actual arm binaries?
ie; windows rt, win8 arm && win10 arm PEs
last I heard, while the wine devs are working on x86 on arm, it wasn't ready - when compared to say; win10 for arm's x86 emulation layer...
I also know that in the past to run x86 binaries in wine on arm, you have to have binfmt_misc enabled in the kernel + qemu (emulator) to make it all work...
not sure, where things are at, at the moment. but I'd try running actual Arm compiled windows app and see if they run.... idk, I can't imagine that Wine is super useful on android yet. that said, I am curious - as I used to maintain buillds and patchsets for wine...

Only binaries compiled for ARM will function under Wine. You can find an updated list in the second post of this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348

skawtnyc said:
Only binaries compiled for ARM will function under Wine. You can find an updated list in the second post of this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348
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it should be noted, this is specifically windows rt / win8 arm apps... and hasn't been updated in 3yrs.
I suspect that if u were to investigate the windows app store / UWP apps - there are probably a much higher number of windows apps that potentially could run in wine / for arm - but then you would likely require the Microsoft store or some other way to get the apps running in wine (not sure if wine even supports them).

skawtnyc said:
Looks like the new WIne 3.0 is ARM-compatible, and has been compiled for ARM devices:
https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/android/
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It is not pixel compatible, and that is all this thread is about.

NoobInToto said:
It is not pixel compatible, and that is all this thread is about.
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To be honest I only installed it on my Pixel C, not my Pixel phone. Doing so would have been pointless since the resolution makes it very difficult to use. Also there's no way to access the software keyboard, making it even more difficult to use.
Even if you could install it, and those other issues were resolved, it doesn't have a x86 emulation layer so you're pretty much stuck with those old Windows RT apps and not much else. You're looking at something that really doesnt have much more value than proof of concept. I'm probably going to end up migrating my tablet to something like the Pixelbook so I can run Crossover on it and have both android and x86 Windows apps run natively.

skawtnyc said:
To be honest I only installed it on my Pixel C, not my Pixel phone. Doing so would have been pointless since the resolution makes it very difficult to use. Also there's no way to access the software keyboard, making it even more difficult to use.
Even if you could install it, and those other issues were resolved, it doesn't have a x86 emulation layer so you're pretty much stuck with those old Windows RT apps and not much else. You're looking at something that really doesnt have much more value than proof of concept. I'm probably going to end up migrating my tablet to something like the Pixelbook so I can run Crossover on it and have both android and x86 Windows apps run natively.
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Well, I would still like to try it out. If they manage to make it work with windows 10, say, windows 10S , it would be cool, since windows 10 is more touch friendly than 7 . It is in the works I believe, to be made possible via qemu (full arm compatibility). Time will tell.

NoobInToto said:
It is not pixel compatible, and that is all this thread is about.
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NoobInToto said:
Well, I would still like to try it out. If they manage to make it work with windows 10, say, windows 10S , it would be cool, since windows 10 is more touch friendly than 7 . It is in the works I believe, to be made possible via qemu (full arm compatibility). Time will tell.
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My biggest regret about this is that I don't have an emulator to run Diablo II on my tablet. Sure, there are other games, but they don't really capture the experience the same way.

skawtnyc said:
My biggest regret about this is that I don't have an emulator to run Diablo II on my tablet. Sure, there are other games, but they don't really capture the experience the same way.
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I managed to make doom 3 to work on my phone ( I don't recollect which one, pixel or nexus 6p, I switched to pixel about 2 months ago). I am not sure about diablo.

NoobInToto said:
It is not pixel compatible, and that is all this thread is about.
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beyond installing, it doesn't seem to work for me... also, i'm unclear on whether this build is arm64 compatible.? (I know wine has an arm64 preloader though).
skawtnyc said:
Even if you could install it, and those other issues were resolved, it doesn't have a x86 emulation layer so you're pretty much stuck with those old Windows RT apps and not much else. You're looking at something that really doesnt have much more value than proof of concept. I'm probably going to end up migrating my tablet to something like the Pixelbook so I can run Crossover on it and have both android and x86 Windows apps run natively.
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I suspect that running qemu + wine-x86 would be the better route to go (vs wine-arm or running qemu + windows)... i'm not too sure what the overhead would look like, but people are doing it on the rasberry pi 2/3...
it's probably also possible that using some of wine's env variables would improve performance (realtime priviledges for wineserver, critical threads, etc) and patching wine to support other enhancements (which is what I would do anyway, on my linux box).
NoobInToto said:
Well, I would still like to try it out. If they manage to make it work with windows 10, say, windows 10S , it would be cool, since windows 10 is more touch friendly than 7 . It is in the works I believe, to be made possible via qemu (full arm compatibility). Time will tell.
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i'd like to, as well...
technically, you can run qemu + x86 wine on arm, right now. I just don't believe that anyone has packaged it up nicely for android...
and it would require additional manual configuration, init script, possibly a script/wrapper for launching apps too, depending... Another issue would be the vast majority of stock kernels don't have the support or enable stuff that is going to be required... mine suports binfmt_misc (which qemu will require), but i think other stuff may be needed. not positive.
it can't be that hard though, but I don't have much experience with qemu (and none on android), wine on the other hand - lots of experience with on linux. same goes for winelib...

does anyone know how to get access to the internal storage?
I cant even try to install anything, because I dont know where the Wine-Files are located.
Btw I'm using a Lenovo YogaBook
Thanks

trfr3ak said:
does anyone know how to get access to the internal storage?
I cant even try to install anything, because I dont know where the Wine-Files are located.
Btw I'm using a Lenovo YogaBook
Thanks
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you'll have to figure out how to get into your internal storage yourself, but having a a proper file manager helps. you may need root to view the files (I did on my pixel)... also, not sure why you are asking for help for your yogabook in the google pixel forum...? (you probably shouldn't be).
as for where the files are. it's android, so app data is usually stored in /data/data/your.app.name... and this would be where wine installs it's binaries and prefix too. (org.winehq.wine)
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so yeah. looking at the binaries. they are compiled as arm-v7a. ... they should run (although, by default after install, they aren't in the PATH / can't be executed from a terminal)....
I guess maybe the arm64 version just isn't ready at this point && wine-3.0 for arm requires some manual setup on the pixel... might tinker with it later, or look into qemu + wine x86... we'll see