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I just saw the new HTC Touch Pro 2. But as usually, it is not perfect. It is always missing some specs.
So I build one as I think could be a perfect devise. The name is HTC Touch Pro 3.
What do you think if this devise was on sale?
Have a look on the specs at: http://marcustavares.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/htc-touch-pro-3-a-dream-pda
Marcus Tavares said:
What do you think if this devise was on sale?
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I think it would cost at least £1000 SIM-free and, frankly, wouldn't sell to most people, simply because of the price.
All the Touch-Pro-2 needs really is a 3.5mm headphone socket.
Like the one they put on the Touch HD, damnit!
Best things in it:
- OLED display
- the projector. Build in a tripod and the TV output is not so important.
What it lacks:
- 50-200mm F/1.8 lens with image stabilization.
- Windows Mobile with CE Core 6.0.
But they won't build such a device, because it would satisfy most people for about 5 years.
kosherpig said:
But they won't build such a device, because it would satisfy most people for about 5 years.
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I think this is the REAL PROBLEM here. All they could think of is how to squeeze more money from us.
Htc is trying to rip us off. I mean why can't they just focus on a particular phone like the iphone and build on it till its perfect. Instead they release all these new phones with the same features and slight difference and charge u an arm and a leg and i can just buy an iphone for $200usd. I mean what the hell is wron with those idiots at htc. I need to buy some shares and have a say in that company because clearly they a great at creating but horrible at business.
12.1MP camera.
Lol it would be 12.1 mp of blur.
the problem with HTC
do u guys realize the software support for HTC sucks big time? For example I have a HTC Advantage. They could have improved the video playback of the G-sensor. Instead they just ignored it and went on selling other new products.
I agree the cost might be too high. The 3.5mm headphone socket I don't need as I use the Motorola S9-HD but I agree it is important.
If I need to chose one item it will be the camera. 3.1 is defenetly low for a device is comming in the middle of 2009 and in the mean time lots of competitors like Samsung OmniaHD, Nokia N97 and others are comming with better camera.
3?! 2 won't even be out for a few months.
dortyboy said:
Htc is trying to rip us off. I mean why can't they just focus on a particular phone like the iphone and build on it till its perfect. Instead they release all these new phones with the same features and slight difference and charge u an arm and a leg and i can just buy an iphone for $200usd. I mean what the hell is wron with those idiots at htc. I need to buy some shares and have a say in that company because clearly they a great at creating but horrible at business.
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HTC release devices like the TP2 for those that need a keyboard, the Diamond for those that want something small, the HD for those that want films etc. They've realised there is no perfect device, so why not make something for everyone?
Also, those complaining about incremental improvements, look at the iPhone. So, the second gen has 3G. Which it should have had the first time around. That's about the only new thing hardware wise.
Also, no one is forcing you to by HTC. If you love the iPhone so much, go and buy one, and regret it.
I read your specs, and while it is good to dream, even maybe hint at a potential HTC engineer what to do next...you should also keep in mind some physical constraints, so here are my few remarks ;-)
a screen of 10 cm of diagonal, and a 5 way dpad seems very difficult to fit in a 59x116mm device. Your screen is 85mm high, add 2*2mm for borders, 7mm up for the front camera and loudspeaker, and u have 10mm to fit a 5 way dpad... difficult! and a zoom bar? forget it ;-)
Fitting an optical zoom in a 17 mm thick device? difficult, u would need to use 45 degree mirror to angle the zoom/captor 90 degree (it will be set in the width of the device)...and then u can forget about the projector...
Also, such arangements (optical zoom OR microprojector) would change the physical layout of your device. Basically, it would look more like the G1 than the touch pro, the DPAD/zoom bar should stay fixed with regard to keyboard to have some room to fit those devices.
USB3 is not supported by snapdragon, so this is not possible (additional control chip is not possible, for space and energy usage reasons)
same for wimax and 802.11n wifi...not sure it support 1080P output either, I think it is 720p. Recording in 1080P/30fps is certainly out of reach of the snapdragon...but even if it could do it, no way u could use such a resolution with the small lens in anything less than bright sunlight or studio lighting. and even then, i am not sure it would be better than 720P. 1080P camcoders need a significant lens opening, you need a lot of photons to get an acceptable signal/noise at 30 fps with so many pixels...
scroll wheel would be very nice! I wonder why this has faded from all current smartphones, it was popular at one time, and for good reasons: some kind of side control is great for navigating in lists, webpage or ebooks...So yes, here I am 100% with you: it is time for a comeback
And last: I think it is not possible to fit a 2100 mAh battery given the size of the device and the presence of a physical keyboard: it would have to be thicker..or without keyboard...batteries with higher energy density could allow it, but they are not available right now, and hoping for such a significant progress would push your dream device to long term future ;-)
Marcus Tavares said:
I agree the cost might be too high. The 3.5mm headphone socket I don't need as I use the Motorola S9-HD but I agree it is important.
If I need to chose one item it will be the camera. 3.1 is defenetly low for a device is comming in the middle of 2009 and in the mean time lots of competitors like Samsung OmniaHD, Nokia N97 and others are comming with better camera.
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3 megapixels is enough for amateur photography, especially in mobile phone
I prefer less megapixel with less noise than the opposite.
Do you make prints bigger than 20x30cm (8x12in.) ?
I did 20x30cm prints from 3mpix DSLR camera (Sigma SD9) and quality was very good...
Regards,
Adam
Nice, but for the vid recording, how about CCD, its better than CMOS apparantly, and make the image quality really high, as that is what makes a photo look nicer. And seriously, a dream phone should have UMTS 850/900/1700/1900/2100, which is what the XPERIA should have had.
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Nice, but for the vid recording, how about CCD, its better than CMOS apparantly, and make the image quality really high, as that is what makes a photo look nicer. And seriously, a dream phone should have UMTS 850/900/1700/1900/2100, which is what the XPERIA should have had.
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I think multi-purposes camera are going back to CMOS. From what I understand, CMOS suffered from image non-uniformity...but this has been mostly solved. On the other hand, CMOS decrease price of supporting circuitry, but also allows for faster framerates. So the new photo/video camera with high framerate video recording (30fps/60fps/even more for slow motion) are going back to CMOS...
Oh, ok, thanks for the info man!
dream device= touch pro with faster cpu in a kaiser body.
i just have to have soft keys.
Dream device
1 ghz processor
3.5" screen
Universal unbeatable form factor: Microlap top-pda
great keyboard
Waiting for Phone after Touch Pro 2
I bought the Mogul in 8/07 and the Touch Pro 1 in 10/08 and don't see the need to jump at the Touch Pro 2 for $500-$600 with only minor improvements, even if I can sell (which I always do) my TP1 on ebay. I'll wait for the phone after the TP 2 from HTC that has:
-WM 7
-5 MP camera
-better battery life
-700+ MHz processor
-4GB ROM
-1GB RAM
-etc., etc.
Going from the TP 1 to TP 2 is a waste of money IMHO and everyone making the jump won't be able to get the 2 year contract discount which is still $400 with it. I'll put my $400 to the next upgrade due in late 2010 or early 2011. I'm good with Mighty ROM 6...LOL
orb3000 said:
Dream device
1 ghz processor
3.5" screen
Universal unbeatable form factor: Microlap top-pda
great keyboard
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Add TV-Out or a projector and I'll dish out $ for that, as long as it'll have att 3G (preferably unbranded)
Touch Pro3
Android or Webos
Cortex A8 Processor or Snapdragon/tegra.
same form factor+headphone jack
slightly larger screen because of the omission of the zoom bar.
same screen resolution.
i tried to be realistic because all these things are possible right now not some fantasy device. (with the exception of licensing Webos or just building it for Palm)
With the advent of Android 3.0 ("Gingerbread"), can we all agree..? (Do chime in)
This posting is really @ALLHeadset Makers, but I'd like ppl's opinions. Will they listen? Who knows?
Okay, so it's been "leaked" (which I really consider to be "strategic information divulgence") that Android 3.0 ...
# Minimum hardware requirements for Android 3.0 devices are: 1GHZ CPU, 512MB or RAM, displays from 3.5” and higher.
# New 1280×760 resolution available for the devices with displays of 4” and higher.
# Completely revamped user interface. If you want to get a feeling of what Android 3.0 Gingerbread UX is like, check out the Gallery App on Nexus One. The same overall feel, light animated transitions,etc. Natively, through all the UI.
What I'd really like to see come this holiday season, with both GSM & CDMA offerings is ...
Mandatory Techs
#Worldphone
# QSD8672 (if device is by HTC) @1.5GHz or the next iteration of Hummingbird (if by Samsung); Samsung's S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 is capable of 90 million triangles per second , so I'd like to see –
# GPU capable of at least 180 million TPS, but I'd really like to minimally reach the PS3's 250 million TPS
# at least 1GB RAM
# NAND Flash internal storage (as opposed to [micro]SD)
# Gyroscope
# 8MP+ w/ at least one LED flash (one LED and a Xenon flash for taking photos being preferable, of course, and prob goes w/o saying, but you've GOOOTTA) have a flash ... Can we say Touch Pro2, anyone?) & at least 720p (preferably 1080p) video recording @ 30fps, but capable of 24fps for that look
# front–facing camera, taking video at a minimum VGA resolution, but I think we'd all like to see 1.3MP or more, and at no less than 30fps
# trackball or optical dpad is ABSOLUTELY mandatory, 'cause ... well, why the H3LL NOT!? I mean, really, how much space does it really take up (or cost)? I'd rather have one than not (Can we say Touch Pro2 .., AGAIN!?)
# HD radio
# Stereo speakers &
# at least two microphones (This combination worked very well for the Touch Pro2, so Kudos HTC ... this time...)
# 4" minimum screen size (although I think 5" is juuust right) to take advantage of ...
# 1280×720 & no less (Don't try to sell us short here ... DAMMIT!!!), preferably Super AMOLED, but we know they're in short supply ... and, Samsung's not sharin' the wealth currently
# 24-bit color depth, 'cause 16-bit ... seriously? ::cocking eyebrow:: It's F*&%IN' 2010!! I mean, just say it, twenty-ten. If that doesn't sound like we're in the future, I don't know what does.
# Gorilla Glass display
# Kickstand or tilting keyboard
# USB Host
# SRS 5.1 Virtual Surround
# Bluetooth 3
Possible Techs
# Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 (a la Nokia N8)
# 3D, a la Nintendo 3DS with 2/3D gradient, and all (Haven't seen it in person, so I don't know how effective it is, but everything I've read said it looks great‼)
# Solar paneling. Hmm... ::shrugs::
If the device has a hardware keyboard, it should use an HTC's Touch Pro2–like layout, which is the de facto BEST layout to date. A-GPS, Wi-Fi (which'd better be a/b/g/n ... well, maybe not so much a. ::shrugs:: ), accelerometer, digital compass, proximity & light sensors, 3.5mm audio jack, microSDHC (but, if available, microSDXC) slot that is accessible w/o removing the battery, or even taking off the battery cover, and by that time, 4G, all go w/o saying, and only a damned fool would leave any of these out. I think USB 3.0 would be a nice addition, too, but not mandatory. Also, I feel IR should not only return, but also be implemented with decent range, 'cause although it's slow as F*&%, it was nice to use my device as a universal remote. I never understood why the tech was removed in the first place. ::shrugs::
Well, that's all I really have to say about that. Please, do tell me what you all think. And, hopefully, these wanks in the hardware market, or R&D, or whoever the H3LL scours over the internet to find what customers want and'd be most marketable, sees this and tells his/her higher-ups.
"Goodnight & God Bless" ...
UPDATE: As far as pricing goes, let's not forget that it's most probable that carriers will continue to subsidize at or around the same price the top–of–the–line smartphones have been going for, ~$200—300, and a contract–free price of ~$650—800. Think about it, more oft than not, the successor of one model is released at the same price its predecessor was released at.
Dude,this sounds like a laptop that can make calls etc!With this kind of hardware we'll be able to run pc games on our phones!But we would need a portable power generator to keep the battery alive a whole day straight...Unless they equip these phones with some super 3000 mAh battery!
Anyway...Just remember that a year ago we had the same reaction when speaking about the phones with 1GHz CPU and giant screens that we have today!
****in' technology...It'll make us believe in magic sooner or later!
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tolis626 said:
... Just remember that a year ago we had the same reaction when speaking about the phones with 1GHz CPU and giant screens that we have today!
****in' technology...It'll make us believe in magic sooner or later!
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I, I do believe in magic. lol
But, seriously, though. Very doable.
Tell you what, this minimum specs was Google's first stupid decision! Come on! Devices like HTC Legend have been out for a couple of weeks & now Google says there will be no future for them? Unified android without stupid custom UIs was a great idea but if it meant it would be released for all devices simultaneously not just left owners in the cold! I think having minimum specs like this will only make developers lazy, it means no need for polishing the code & make it light!
In my opinion they should release two versions,one for high-end phones and another for devices without that much breathtaking hardware.Anyone agree?
::bump:: @Samsung
Well, apparently, someone's (ie: Samsung) actually listening to the community. Hopefully not just a rumor, but ...
Samsung i9200 Galaxy S2
4.3" Super AMOLED 2(? ... !! So, I'd imagine 24-bit color depth, too) 1280 X 720 @340 ppi(!!)
2 GHz CPU or a dual-core 1 GHz processor (although this disappoints in that Qualcomm's flagship'll have a dual-core 1.5GHz. Hopefully, they mean 2GHz dual-core )
Bluetooth 3.0
gyroscope
android 3.0
So, like I'd said, hope that's a dual-core 2GHz processor, but if not, ehh. Maybe it'll be comparable, if not better than Qualcomm's offering. 'Cause we can see how the Hummingbird can best the Snapdragon in the gfx dept, currently. The only thing missing for me is the lack of a trackball or optical dpad, which I really, really hope Samsung reconsiders. So, @Samsung, please do reconsider, and please, don't make ppl have to wait for a CDMA offering. Release 'em simultaneously.
kain144000 said:
Well, apparently, someone's (ie: Samsung) actually listening to the community. Hopefully not just a rumor, but ...
Samsung i9200 Galaxy S2
4.3" Super AMOLED 2(? ... !! So, I'd imagine 24-bit color depth, too) 1280 X 720 @340 ppi(!!)
2 GHz CPU or a dual-core 1 GHz processor (although this disappoints in that Qualcomm's flagship'll have a dual-core 1.5GHz. Hopefully, they mean 2GHz dual-core )
Bluetooth 3.0
gyroscope
android 3.0
So, like I'd said, hope that's a dual-core 2GHz processor, but if not, ehh. Maybe it'll be comparable, if not better than Qualcomm's offering. 'Cause we can see how the Hummingbird can best the Snapdragon in the gfx dept, currently. The only thing missing for me is the lack of a trackball or optical dpad, which I really, really hope Samsung reconsiders. So, @Samsung, please do reconsider, and please, don't make ppl have to wait for a CDMA offering. Release 'em simultaneously.
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ill buy this samsung, i love their products!
Man I'm drooling just thinking about those specs! I love technology! Oh and OP, you forgot to add a front facing camera in there.
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Guys,how about a phone that can take us to the moon?
Well,all that is really nice and I would kill to get one of those phones,but how much will they cost?Seriously!That sounds like some 1000 euros gone to HTC...
Qualcomm can shove it.
I dont like the whole BREW crap. Just the idea of it.
Texas Instaments is where its at, OMAP4 is 2ghz isnt it? (Been a while since i visited their dev. Site)
As for 3.0, i donvt think it will have those min req. Why would google even ditch their own phone......
The evo spec will ne the min req. If you ask me.
composically
ArcticWolf91 said:
... OP, you forgot to add a front facing camera in there...
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You're absolutely right. Original post's been corrected.
You forgot the suitcase of batteries to power the thing...
Seriously though.. 5" screen? WAY too big for a phone that goes in your pocket.
What the H3LL! Let's throw some solar panels on that ß17©#, too.
Oh dear God, please no F*ing AMOLED display. The pentile matrix on my Desire is driving me crazy, and the Galaxy S I played with was even worse. Crisp LCD text for me please!
Is everyone mad? Those specs are rediculous!! I for one don't want a screen larger then 3.2" maybe 3.5" depending on the form factor. Anything higher then 3.5" wont fit in my tight jeans pockets very well, hell my topaz is even tight enough that I put it in my bag while sitting down.
LordVarkson said:
Is everyone mad? Those specs are rediculous!! I for one don't want a screen larger then 3.2" maybe 3.5" depending on the form factor. Anything higher then 3.5" wont fit in my tight jeans pockets very well, hell my topaz is even tight enough that I put it in my bag while sitting down.
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Overlooked that a little bit. The 3.7" on my Desire is already too big, to be honest.
Give me 720p 16:9 on a 3.5" LCD please
Display wise, the 1280 x 760 is very achievable, and pixel density, how about 500 ppi, since Steve Jobs lied about the maximum retinal perception.
GOOD eyesight limit: 477ppi.
Source: Samsung (Since they're some of the leaders when it comes to displays.
I think that, if they're going to target consumers who have never used Android before, they need to at least have a phone that is fast, has good multimedia features (camera, etc.), as well as a good hardware design.
The only good Android camera phone that I've seen is the Samsung Galaxy S, which is only 5MP. Also, I think 4.3" is really pushing it for the average consumer. I thought the screen size of the Nexus One (3.7") was perfectly fine, and the max I would go is probably 4.0", assuming that the screen bezel is thin. That is just my opinion, as I don't think I have ever watched videos nor have done heavy reading on a phone while mobile. A larger screen would make reading emails more friendly, but the text is most often wrapped, so a humongous screen is definitely not necessary.
Vonrottes said:
Qualcomm can shove it.
I dont like the whole BREW crap. Just the idea of it.
Texas Instaments is where its at, OMAP4 is 2ghz isnt it?
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Honestly, all of my devices, ever since the UTStarcom/Audiovox/whoevertheF*&%ever PPC-6700, have used Qualcomm processors, so they're all that I know. I don't know whether it's HTC or Qualcomm's fault, or both, but they've been absolutely TERRIBLE in regards to GPUs, just F*&%IN' TERRIBLE‼ I'm not too familiar with OMAP processor performance, but I do know that Samsung's doin' the damn thing with their Hummingbird. I mean, they're outdoing EVERYONE in the GPU department, 3–F*&%IN'–X over‼
Also, I'd updated the original post. I'd forgot an easily accessible microSDHC(XC) slot.
Gingerbread Phone
Since we're all going to the loony bin, let's go ahead and add in a 3D display. Also, a 1750 battery.
I would love:
3.7 - 4.0" display with a resolution of 1080 x 720 and around 400+ PPI (maybe 3D video recording/playback and pictures - no glasses necessary -), 24-bit (180 degree viewing angle)
Dual core 2Ghz TI OMAP 45nm processor with Nvidia Tegra 2 GPU (does that make sense?) (reason for dual core 2Ghz and not just a 2Ghz, they're thinking dual core will be better for battery. one proc. shuts down when not in use saving power)
1GB RAM with 16GB ROM and microSD slot (as previously stated, no need to remove battery cover) (comes with 8-16GB class 6 microSD card)
Able to record excellent quality full 720p videos at constant 30FPS and excellent light sensor for perfect low-light settings. Able to play back 1080p videos
Able to record excellent quality 1080p video at constant 20FPS
Excellent audio quality
Gyroscope + Accelerometer + A-GPS + Bluetooth 3.0 + WiFi b/g/n + digital compass + WiMAX + FM radio + proximity and light sensors
2MP front-facing camera able to record at constant 30FPS
5MP+ back camera with either dual LED flash or one LED for recording and one Xenon for picture taking
1750mAh battery
Capacitive buttons + optical trackball + dedicated camera button
Dual antenna
Three microphones
Unibody aluminum housing with a thin strip of durable rubber along the edges for extra ruggedness
Internal fitted sheet of thin durable rubber on back of phone (remember, internally) for shock resistance
Android mascot placed on bottom left-hand of the device
Preloaded with Inception (LOL. because like the movie, this phone will f*ck your mind)
500 hours stand-by
Up to 10 hours talk time
Up to 15 hours WiFi / 10 hours 3G / 7 hours 4G internet usage
Up to 20 hours video playback
Up to 60 hours audio playback
No 3rd party skinned Android 3.0
No thicker than .06"
No limits placed on hardware/software capabilities
And a game-pad (d-pad, analog stick - think PSP -, a, b, c, d button, L and R bumpers, start and select) casing to buy as an accessory for emulators that works over Bluetooth and only adds roughly .05" thickness when equipped
Did I forget anything?
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CUBE has released two new models last month, but it seems the attentions all went to the Talk 79 (U55GT), which has a 7.9-inch IPS display, a quad-core processor and full phone functionalities, that very few people actually noticed the U39GT. However, I am a much bigger fan of this slate, which sports a 9 inch FHD Samsung PLS display, and owns features such as the peppy RK3188 chipset, 2GB RAM, Bluetooth, etc.
Key Features:
◇9 inch 16M-color PLS display at WUXGA resolution (1920X1200 pixels), 256PPI
◇Rockchip RK3188 SoC., 28nm quad-core 1.6GHZ Cortex-A9 processor, Mali-400MP4 GPU, 2GB DDR3 RAM
◇Android 4.2.2 Jelly Bean OS with heavy customizations
◇16GB of built-in-storage
◇2MP front facing camera, 5.0MP rear-facing AF camera
◇AAC Stereo speakers
◇HDMI TV-out
◇Bluetooth 2.1
◇Anti-rolling frame
◇USB host
◇MicroSD card slot
◇1080p video playback
◇5200mAh Li-Po rechargeable battery
Design
The U39GT looks just like a smaller version of its larger, and older brother: the U30GT2. There’s sufficient amount of bezel on either side of the screen, so you can use it in any orientation. When you're holding the device in landscape, it's really comfortable, but the 16:10 device is so long and skinny that it feels top-heavy when you pick it up in portrait. The iPad's much more amenable to being held both ways — in portrait for reading and browsing, landscape for movies and games — while the U39GT is very clearly designed to be held sideways and used in landscape.
Of course, the front is dominated by a 9-inch PLS display made by Samsung. A 2MP front-facing camera sits comfortably on the upper left corner, which can be used for online video chatting. But the intelligent light sensor, which helps the tablet to automatically adjust the display brightness, is nowhere to be found.
All the keys and connectors are hosted on the left edge. You will find a power button, a volume rocker, a Micro HDMI port, a MicroSD card slot, a 3.5mm audio jack and a 2.5mm DC port there. The metal trim around the sides gives the tablet a solid feel.
The AAC stereo speaker gates are hosted on the right edge.
The back of the U39GT is magnesium aluminum alloy, which is not only good-looking, but also very durable. The frosted texture also helps to avoid slippage, and provides a welcome contrast from the glass front. It’s completely bare except for the Brand and regulatory logos, and the 8-megapixel camera in the top right corner.
The Chassis doesn’t have a single screw on it, so it feels even more solid!
Its 8.9mm thick body also guarantees a solid hold and great portability.
Display
As much as the superlative the design deserves, the most impressive feature of the tablet has to be its display. Boasting a Full HD resolution of 1920x1280, the slate's 9-inch PLS LCD panel offers effective color reproduction and clarity from virtually any viewing angle, making it the ideal choice for hosting everything, from video content to 3D gaming apps.
From the photos above, it is obvious that the U39GT crushed the Beneve Miracle One (Dolphin), which uses the same LG display featured by the iPad2, in both colors and pixel density.
However, the brightness is not really satisfactory enough, outdoor viewing would be difficult.
Audio
CUBE boasts that the AAC technology enhances any audio played through the device, but the stereo speakers on the right side of the U39GT produced average audio. Regardless of what is played -- from Alicia Key's "Brand New Me" to Usher's "Scream" --the sound was not loud at all, as if I was listening to someone's radio from a few meters away.
Interface
The U39GT ships with Android 4.2.2, and adopts a WIN8-like launcher that is exquisitely designed by CUBE, it offers five home screens including a Start home screen, a Social Networking home screen, a Gaming app home screen, an Office app home screen, and a home screen of Other favorite applications. Even the application drawer has been designed very metro-like, and all the shortcuts and widgets will change to cubes once they are dragged onto the home screens to fit the interface.
Performance
The U39GT is powered by a 1.6GHz quad-core rk3188 CPU, backed up by 2GB of RAM. Although this is not really the most cutting-edge SoC. for Android devices, it is still incredibly smooth in day-to-day operation, with almost no performance hiccups, and smooth scrolling in home screens, menus and apps alike. The RK3188’s beefy Mali-400MP4 GPU also means you’re well-equipped for graphic-intense games.
In our benchmark tests, the U39GT scored at the front of the tablet charts without blowing away the competition. Not simply because it’s powering too many pixels, but more capable chipsets such as Qualcomm Snapdragon APQ8064 are now used in tablet products.
1) Antutu
Although the 15,648 overall Antutu benchmark score is dwarfed by the APQ8064 powered Sony Xperia Tablet Z’s 20,259, it does handily beat the 13,989 notched by the Exynos 4412 powered RAMOS W30HD.
2) Geekbench
In the Geekbench test, the U39GT doesn’t really shine, its 1,205 score bottomed the 4 devices we use for comparison.
3) Quadrant
The Quadrant score of the U39GT is also not that satisfactory, almost on par with the snatch of the should-have-been-weaker RAMOS W30HD, and lags greatly behind the Sony Xperia Tablet Z.
4) 3D Mark & An3D XL
In both the graphic-focused 3D Mark and An3D XL tests, the U39GT notched quite decent scores.
5) Vellamo and CF-Bench
Vellamo is by far my favorite Benchmark application, the scores of certain device are very consistent, regardless of the version of the software. Again the Tablet Z topped the charts, but the U39GT also more than held its own against most of the other quad core tablets.
In the CF-bench test, the U39GT also notched a pretty impressive score.
In the real world use, the slate is particularly well-suited for viewing PDF books and magazines, with colors displayed vividly and text appearing crisp and clear. It's also well-equipped for handling most gaming apps with minimal compromise, including demanding 3D games like “NFS” and “Asphalt 7”.
Not everything's perfect yet: scrolling in the browser can still be stuttery at times, and for some inexplicable reason the screen still takes really a while to rotate. But apps don't crash nearly as often, and general slowness and lag is even closer to being totally eradicated.
CUBE has done a good job with multimedia support and features for its tablets. For video, the U39GT supports MP4, RM, H.264, DivX, Xvid, and WMV files at up to 1080p resolution. For audio you get MP3, AAC, FLAC, OGG, WAV, and WMA support. You can also mirror your screen using Miracast with supported HDTVs or connect the slate with an HDMI cable.
The tablet has 16GB built-in storage, as well as microSD support that can add up to 32GB of additional storage to what is already on board.
Connectivity
Probably due to the metal back it uses, the U39GT disappoints in Wi-Fi connection, at a few meters and wall away the data reception could be severely crippled, a strong Wi-Fi tether is strongly recommended if you are going to own this tablet. The addition of Bluetooth V2.1 means you could connect your tablet to things such as input devices, headphones or sound boxes without the annoyance of cables. I only realize the value of Bluetooth when I want to play SEGA Virtua Tennis with my friends!
Cameras
Let’s be honest — most tablet cameras are pretty crappy. The kinds of shooters you’ll find on even a high-end Android tablet are roughly equivalent to the cheap, blurry, grainy cameras found on low-end smartphones. And the U39GT is no exception, neither the 2MP front-facing camera nor the 5MP rear-facing camera delivers high quality shots, even though the rear-side camera has Auto Focus support. If you just need to use them for video chatting or scanning D-bar code, it does get the job done.
Photos snapped by the rear facing camera.
Battery Life
The U39GT’s 5,200mAh battery is relatively small for a tablet with a 9 inch FHD display, even the much smaller and thinner ICOO ICOU Fatty2 (7.85 inch display, 7mm thick) packs a bigger 5,500mAh battery. Well, shame on CUBE!
However, thanks to the 28nm process and PMU, the longevity of the tablet is better than the battery figure suggests.
It takes about four hours to charge the U39GT from zero to full, and roughly 7-8 hours to drain it dry. Actual battery life will, of course, depend on how we use the tablet, and variables like high brightness and heavy downloads or streaming will zap the battery a little quicker, but we found it comparable to other 9-inch competitors.
Battery rundown test 1:
Single-looping a 720P MP4 video, the U39GT held its ground for 9 hours and 36 minutes, this was a much better result than what the battery capacity suggested.
Battery rundown test 2:
Streaming an online TV sitcom consecutively, the slate stood up for 7 hours and 48 minutes. Although this is no iPad4 level yet, it is enough time even for the heaviest users in a day.
Verdict
The U39GT is far from being one of the best Android tablets currently, I would give that honor to the waterproof SONY Xperia Tablet Z, the eye-watering Google Nexus 10, and the stylus-enabled Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1.
However, with dozens of Chinese tablets coming into the world every day, the U39GT still stands out by simply being the only one sporting a 9 inch PLS display at FHD resolution. At the budget end of the market there are few better alternatives to the U39GT. The device offers solid specs and an impressive screen resolution, costing less than the 8.9-inch PIPO M7pro it is in direct competition with.
The Good:
High quality chassis, no screw design.
Fabulous display.
Solid Performance.
Reasonable Price.
The Bad:
Uninspiring outdoor visibility.
5,200mAh battery.
Poor Wi-Fi reception.
Incapable cameras.
great and awesome news, but we need root information
About this tablet and mostly for the u55gt / talk79
do you have root information about them?
ozp said:
great and awesome news, but we need root information
About this tablet and mostly for the u55gt / talk79
do you have root information about them?
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I haven't found a way to root this slate yet, thne standard rk3188 root method doesn't work with this one.
Thats sad, and since the releases of new CPU and new models are very fast, the community foruns cannot cope with this.
You search for a community forum about android, and you find topics and sub-foruns about old products....
Very nice review.
My advice, do not buy the U39GT-3G version. I own it and it has been sent to me by this shop http://www.cube-tablet.com with an incorrect IMEI number. I cannot connect to the internet using my data SIM card.
The incorrect IMEI nummber of my device: 111111111111111 (15 times 1).
I am so fed up by this shop, I only wanted to have this device because it has a 3G SIM card slot and now this, do not buy this product with the 3G SIM card slot. The WiFi only version may be fine, but avoid the 3G version.
Good review, chinese tabs are good for prcie but I am worried about the OS upgrades! is there any custom rom development on cube tabs?
On one hand sorry for ressurecting a relatively old thread on another the reviewer made an embarrassing mistake, one which would avert a would be buyer. The aspect ratio of the slate is 3:2 , not 16:10, which makes it the opposite of "too tall", in fact it's the only android tab I know which is not "long", everybody else use this damned 16:10 ratio which is only good for movies and mediocre for anything else (pretty much for anything that tablets are good for).
To sum up, if this tablet's build quality was not suspect I would forgive it's low battery and recommend it to anyone. Android manufacturers take cues, abandon this "phone like" aspect ratio and start releasing more square, less...oblong tabs. Ergonomically android tabs are rubbish and there is a reason why iPads still reign supreme, in fact if it was not for the abysmal aspect ratio androids would have been taking over long ago in tablets.
Anyway hope tabs like this will be more part of the news...
great tablet, maybe ill get one :d
Cube U55GT rooted + CWM
ozp said:
great and awesome news, but we need root information
About this tablet and mostly for the u55gt / talk79
do you have root information about them?
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I received my new U55GT today from TD.
Stock firmware (20131021) was (partially?) rooted, installing SuperSU (using MTKdroidtools) completed the rooting.
Using MTKdroidtools I managed to install CWM too, exactly the same way I previously did on my Ainol AX1 poseidon.
Just google for the correct procedure.
After that I made a backup and removed Chinese bloatware.
I'm impressed by U55GT's build quality, stereo sound and the very clear and crispy IPS display.
GPS is fully functional in the Netherlands (out of the box, no modifications needed).
Henk S. said:
I received my new U55GT today from TD.
Stock firmware (20131021) was (partially?) rooted, installing SuperSU (using MTKdroidtools) completed the rooting.
Using MTKdroidtools I managed to install CWM too, exactly the same way I previously did on my Ainol AX1 poseidon.
Just google for the correct procedure.
After that I made a backup and removed Chinese bloatware.
I'm impressed by U55GT's build quality, stereo sound and the very clear and crispy IPS display.
GPS is fully functional in the Netherlands (out of the box, no modifications needed).
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Hi, did you try using this U55gt on Att 3G data? I'm planing to buy one, but I would like to know whether it is compatible with Att.'s 3G network frequency 850 and 1900 MHz ?
Thanks,
Andy
Henk S. said:
I received my new U55GT today from TD.
Stock firmware (20131021) was (partially?) rooted, installing SuperSU (using MTKdroidtools) completed the rooting.
Using MTKdroidtools I managed to install CWM too, exactly the same way I previously did on my Ainol AX1 poseidon.
Just google for the correct procedure.
After that I made a backup and removed Chinese bloatware.
I'm impressed by U55GT's build quality, stereo sound and the very clear and crispy IPS display.
GPS is fully functional in the Netherlands (out of the box, no modifications needed).
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Cube stuff has much better quality than PIPO or Vido.
来自我的 LG-F240L 上的 Tapatalk
Andy805888 said:
Hi, did you try using this U55gt on Att 3G data? I'm planing to buy one, but I would like to know whether it is compatible with Att.'s 3G network frequency 850 and 1900 MHz ?
Thanks,
Andy
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if it is WCDMA, it should work fine.
来自我的 LG-F240L 上的 Tapatalk
Cube U39GT - Disappointing!
Stock ROM is very uncomfortable and unstable. Very often crashes. Is not so beautiful (personal opinion). The biggest problem, however, is poor coverage of the wireless connection! I'm not sure that really supports standard N, as written in the description ! When the router is about 1.5 meters without walls or other obstacles, the network is stable, but the speed is very low - around 500-1000 Kbps (compared to the speed of my phone is about 5-6Mbps HTC Desire, my laptop - 50-60Mbps)! When the router is in the next room, the network becomes very unstable and occasionally interrupted, rarely exceed 200kbps speed (for comparation with the phone - the network is stable, and the rate is about 2-3 Mbps). HTC Desire does not support N standard and compared to newer phones network is quite low! I do not think this is normal and I would not buy again a device of this class! I root because I thought the problem may be software, I found only two custom Rom on the internet, but the problem remain!
I advise people who want to take advantage of the tablet using an internet connection, do not buy this device right! If you do not use the tablet for work on the internet, which I very much doubt, then no problem, but the cost of a device without an internet connection is very high!
Cube vs iFive vs Pipo
Henk S. said:
I'm impressed by U55GT's build quality, stereo sound and the very clear and crispy IPS display.
GPS is fully functional in the Netherlands (out of the box, no modifications needed).
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Henk, still content with your cube tablet? do you have no complaints at all?
i'd also like to buy a low budget device, but i find myself oscillating too much between the one above and some other two with very similar specs, namely iFive mini 3gs from FNF and P8 from Pipo.
after guglin' a lot these days, i still cannot make up my mind...
any advice?
Hi all
As said in title , I just sold my LG G4 after repairing it (its screen got damaged by water )
Now I'm confused between buying the Z5 / S6 . My budget is quite limited so I can't go for the Z5 premium or s6 edge+
In my country the Xperia Z5 costs arround 120$ more than the Galaxy S6 .
Note that what really matters for me is the Camera quality , Perfomance and the battey .
I really like the design of Z5 , besides it's waterproof . But the S6 has a much sharper and better display .
and the exynos CPU of S6 is much better than SD810 which has a bad reputation because of heating issues .
What do you guys suggest to me ?
And what are the the avaliable models of the Z5 , because where I live I found some have the E6633 Model which is I think Dual sim
and what are the diffrences between those models ?
I had first the S6 for 4 months and now the Z5.
The camera quality of the S6 is definetly better in my eyes if were talking about taking pictures.
With videos i would say the Z5 is better because the videos are not shacking that much.
So the Z5 camera is not really bad but since most people are usually taking more pictures i would prefer the S6 if that's your most important feature.
With the latest .200 firmware update i think the Z5 doesn't heat up that much anymore.
It's still waterproofed and has a nice design without an outstanding camera module.
In my eyes the battery life of the S6 and the Z5 are pretty equal. That's at least what i noticed.
And about differences of the models... yes there exists a dual sim Z5 but i'm not sure if it exists in every country.
I guess the differences are not spectacular besides the second sim tray hehe
hope i could help you a little
Save yourself some money and just get the S6.
Thats what I plan to do, Z5 isnt worth its price tag imo.
Please do not listen to the typical the galaxy s6 has a better camera talk because this simply is not true!
I have owned both and i will tell you right now why the Xperia Z5 is the better phone for you.
1) Camera Resolution, Xperia Z5 can take 20.7mp pictures in 16:9 mode, Galaxy S6 can only take 15.9mp pictures in 16:9 mode
2.A)Camera Quality, Xperia Z5 takes photos with incredible color fidelity and much sharper photos, by comparison the galaxy s6 photos look a bit blurry
2.B) With Xperia Z5 you get the same camera experience as all other costumers that bought the Xperia Z5, with Galaxy S6 you are in a lottery to get a worse or a better camera, Some Galaxy S6 has IsoCell Camera Sensor which is the Old Gen Galaxy S5 Camera Sensor or if youre lucky you get the Sony IMX 240 Camera Sensor, both are good, but sony_imx_240 is better.
2.C) Has dedicated camera button allowing you to focus and take the picture.
2.D) Oh and i forgot something very important, Camera API 2 in galaxy s6 is very buggy even with android 5.1.1, Its so buggy infact that it is currently useless and unusuable.
3) Sony Xperia Z5 may have a cpu that is a bit weaker, but its noway "much" slower as people think, the phone does not suffer from overheating because Sony installed a special cooling system to keep the phone cool all the times, therefor throttling in general scenario cases (gaming, playing videos, etc...) does not occur in this phone.
4)The Xperia Z5 has a GPU that is a bit more powerfull than the Galaxy S6, it also supports special directX11 instructions set that the Galaxy S6 doesnt, for example Xperia Z5 can process hardware tesselation (yes by that i mean the thing you find in games like Grid or Colin Mcrae Dirt 2,3 etc...)
5)With the Xperia Z5 you have Radio, with Galaxy S6 you dont
6)With Xperia Z5 you have SD Card Support up to 200GB, Galaxy S6 has no SD Card Support.
7) Xperia Z5 has a better battery than Galaxy S6 (Galaxy S6 battery is only 2550mah)
8)With Galaxy S6 screen quality you are in a lottery to get a bad screen (screen with pink tint on it) and probably not all stores will allow you to return your phone because of the pink tint, Samsung will not swap it either because they consider it "normal" when it clearly isnt.
9) If you have a defective lens and you need to send it to samsung for repairs, Samsung may ignore your defective lens and pretend its normal and within "quality standards", which is not the case as some users complained in the galaxy s6 section of this forum.
Pros of Galaxy S6
1)You get a Remote Controled IR blaster which will allow you to control your TV, DVD and PowerBox.
2)You get an amazing OLED Screen instead of an LCD IPS Screen by Xperia Z5, there are drawbacks to oled screen, for example the OLED Screen can produce the best contrast ratio you can possibly think of, but the 2560*1440 resolution is not an RGB Matrix, its an interpolated color matrix, so the resolution is actually lower than the 2560*1440, if you are not carefull and you leave your phone screen on for a long time showing the same picture over and over again you can burn the screen and youll end up with shadow pixels that are no longer there, theres no way to fix this issue as its a natural degradation issue caused by CRT and OLEDs, LCD do not have this issue, still, overall the image quality of an OLED screen is unrivaled by any LCD screen no matter how much it costs, no matter who makes it, LCD screens are limited by their own technology when it comes to color fidelity, pixel response time and contrast ratio, things that OLED surpass by an unmeasurable margin Example: a good LCD screen has a contrast ratio of 1250:1, an OLED screen has unmeasurable contrast ratio (Over 1.000.000:1), an LCD screen (TFT screen which is worse image quality than an IPS screen) has around 2ms response time, a proper OLED screen has 0.01ms response time, resulting in less blurriness when playing fps games where camera moves alot.
3)You can set a lower screen resolution for any game you want to increase fps performance of said game, Xperia Z5 does not have this ability, altough the 1080p beying a lower resolution is a more or less good balance so it only needs said ability for like 2 or 3 games
4)You have heart rate sensor, oxigen blood level sensor and walking footstep sensor, frankly i dont use them much but they are an addition and a great bonus to some.
5)Galaxy S6 has a very good post processing resulting in little noise across the entire picture, but this makes all photos loose sharpness, something that the Xperia Z5 avoids by ignoring luminance noise and only post processing the chroma noise, so its a subjective taste, no camera is better than the other as galaxy s6 has its strengths and weakness and xperia z5 camera has its strengths and weakness.
6)Has OIS which works decently enough, altough in video mode Xperia Z5 has a much better video stabilization than Galaxy S6, Xperia Z5 has no OIS, so photos will have to be taken with a more steady hand.
So if you really want an impressive camera, i would go for the Xperia Z5, Galaxy S6 has an excelent camera but it doesnt really stand out as innovative or simply awesome with nothing to match it, LG G4 is a very good competitor (camera wise) to the Galaxy S6, Xperia Z5 camera is unique, its Wide angle lens is excelent and no other phone comes close to it because of its unique specifications, ill tell you right now im more impressed with the Xperia Z5 camera than with the Galaxy S6 camera.
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The 810 simply put cannot be tamed by just putting in a heat pipe. The phone does throttle and hence why they've done other things to combat how quickly it heats up. Every phone will throttle, some faster than others and the Z5 does throttle. And thus the GPU might be more "powerful" but your likely to get better performance on the S6 because it doesn't throttle as quickly or aggressively as many 810 phones. Qualcomm **** the bed this year and they know it and so does everyone else.
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The 810 simply put cannot be tamed by just putting in a heat pipe. The phone does throttle and hence why they've done other things to combat how quickly it heats up. Every phone will throttle, some faster than others and the Z5 does throttle. And thus the GPU might be more "powerful" but your likely to get better performance on the S6 because it doesn't throttle as quickly or aggressively as many 810 phones. Qualcomm **** the bed this year and they know it and so does everyone else.
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The Xperia Z5 810 snapdragon chipset is a second generation chipset, it is not the same like in HTC One M9, it doesnt have a heat pipe it has 2 joint heat pipes and it does NOT throttle, ive played it with all graphics on max on dead effect 2 and even nova, and never ive seen it throttle or raise absurd temperatures.
Only Xperia Z5 Compact throttles because it has a weaker cooling system.
Me too I hesitated between the Z5, the S6 and the Moto X Pure (Quickly ditched it because of the SD808). In the end I picked the Z5 for a simple but very good reason: Its firmware is almost stock. I remembered my Note 3 and Note 4, and I decided I didn't want to deal with Touchwiz anymore.
But in the end, the Z5 and the S6 are both excellent flagship phones. You can't go wrong.
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The Xperia Z5 810 snapdragon chipset is a second generation chipset, it is not the same like in HTC One M9, it doesnt have a heat pipe it has 2 joint heat pipes and it does NOT throttle, ive played it with all graphics on max on dead effect 2 and even nova, and never ive seen it throttle or raise absurd temperatures.
Only Xperia Z5 Compact throttles because it has a weaker cooling system.
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ALL snapdragon 810 phones use the v2.1 as per qualcomm have basically said 2.1 was an update to the chip driver's.
Furthermore it has 2 heat pipes I'm fully aware and yes it does and will throttle, as ALL phone's do especially the 810. Even the S6 will throttle and just not as quickly.
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ALL snapdragon 810 phones use the v2.1 as per qualcomm have basically said 2.1 was an update to the chip driver's.
Furthermore it has 2 heat pipes I'm fully aware and yes it does and will throttle, as ALL phone's do especially the 810. Even the S6 will throttle and just not as quickly.
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Ok, now you are confusing driver version with hardware revision version, the drivers are different in those SoCs in order to accomodate the chip newer revision regardless if the drivers have the same version number.
Furthermore the v2.1 has slightly improved performance compared to v2.0.
Heres more info regarding this chip: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9388/comparing-snapdragon-810-v2-and-v21
Even they state that the chip throttling is improved, and as ive said, playing Dead Trigger 2 with all on max and Nova, AND Relic Run Tomb Raider resulted in no throttling.
Now about the throttling system, you can throttle pretty much anything if you push it that way, you can even throttle a watercooled intel i7-3820 or a gfx card like HD7970 if you push it hard enough with some silly benchmark tests. Infact some AMD Cards had throttle implemented because of the some exagerated burn gfx benchmark applications in order to save various components like VRM from such stupid tests.
All in all, nor Galaxy S6 nor Xperia Z5 throttle when gaming under normal conditions even with the hardest games out there, Xperia Z5 S810 V2.1 is well tamed and temperature are not that hot.
If it is ok with you, i would like to not hijack this thread for such a silly matter when Sony clearly did a great job taming the S810 perfectly in balance, we can further discuss this in PM as this will be my last post about this specific debate in this thread.
Cheers.
You can search for my post history regarding S6 vs. Z5. I moved to the Z5 from the S6 as soon as I could get it. Zero regrets. I absolutely hated the S6. Most frustrating phone I've ever owned.
hello
I'm trying to decide which large screened phone to purchase
Huawei P8 max
Letv le max x900
the p8 max has a bigger screen but I am not sure if the letv has a better screen?
also I am not concerned about the size or the 4g connectivity, I wish to know which phone is better with regard to snappiness launching apps and 'multitasking'
which phone has a better sense of 'future proofing' as much as one could say future proofing...
and which phone is just better phone in other aspects?
I would like to hear your opinions please
oh forgot to mention does anyone know which one has a better loudspeaker, I like to listen to music with the loudspeaker (the one at the bottom)
thank you very much!
- Emmanuel
emmanuelw said:
hello
I'm trying to decide which large screened phone to purchase
Huawei P8 max
Letv le max x900
the p8 max has a bigger screen but I am not sure if the letv has a better screen?
also I am not concerned about the size or the 4g connectivity, I wish to know which phone is better with regard to snappiness launching apps and 'multitasking'
which phone has a better sense of 'future proofing' as much as one could say future proofing...
and which phone is just better phone in other aspects?
I would like to hear your opinions please
oh forgot to mention does anyone know which one has a better loudspeaker, I like to listen to music with the loudspeaker (the one at the bottom)
thank you very much!
- Emmanuel
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Be patient & buy the LeMax Pro; build-wise it's quite similar to the x900, but it's using the SD820 cpu which is an entirely different class compared to the overheating SD810.
Listen to adwinp!
Wait for the Le Max Pro, before deciding.
I have the Le Max and P8Max and Mate 8 (Mate 8 is NOT worth the upgrade (IMHO) from the 7/S or P8Max and mine will be sold in the next couple days)
If specs are what you're looking for Le Max wins on paper, if you can't wait for the Le Max Pro.
If camera is the selling point, P8max has a brilliant camera (IMHO better than the mate 8 in low light and auto focus mode is faster) and its better (IMHO) than the Le Max which has a decent camera, which struggles with auto focus, and low light. Don't be fooled by 21MP vs 13MP...or ultra pixel...It sounds good but its not.
If connectivity is your thing...the LeMax will connect to 5g Wifi, the P8Max struggles and 9/10 times won't.
Speakers, P8Max, cleaner sound at high volumes.
Overall speed, about the same really. Where the P8Max can freeze during gaming its few and far between and depends on the gaming...
If custom ROMs are your thing, Le Max has the better support community and it seems to be growing.
If screen size is your thing, its tough to say. Tied. While the 2k screen is nice on the Le Max, the p8max has a brilliant 6.8" screen
If storage is your thing, P8Max Simple. While 128GB is nice on the Le Max. That's it that's all. But even better than that is the 64GB and the ability to add a 200GB sd card. I have a 200GB card in my 703L and their are no issues.
If security is your thing, They are both Chinese phones so while the Le Max and Le Max pro have fingerprint
If build quality is your thing, both quality builds, but the edge goes to the P8Max, its cleaner and well built.
If future support is your thing, Le Max. It has the community support behind it.
I'll say this. While I have been harsh on the P8Max, I would not part with this phone. The Le Max already has me wanting the Le Max pro. Huawei has the screen size right and a 2k screen with 6GB, Mali 880 MP GPU, Kirin 8+1 follow up is the hope and dream... the P8Max screen is just perfect in size. I just prefer it to all others, as I read a ton for work.
The Le Max Pro is going to be a monster of a phone. So if you can wait for that, and are leaning towards the Le Max. Wait.
At the end of it all, you cannot go wrong with what you are picking, its your call, just understand that all phones have their pros and cons. These two are no different.
Good luck.
Cheers.
Excellent pertinent comparison, @TheTruthSeeker. What do you do for a living?
@emmanuelw - I've been changing phones every ~6 months or so for the better part of my smartphone consumer years since the HTC Diamond Touch (yes I know, I'm ashamed, I was a Windows Mobile user). HTC, Sony, Huawei, ... you name it - I've owned most flagships.
Here's my experience with the device so far:
1: really good all-around build quality - metal + glass. Neither scratch easily (I do not use a phone case or screen protector).
2: huge screen - I wanted to see whether this would blur the line between a smartphone & tablet, as I've been using the latter for most of my multimedia needs (video, gaming).
The device sports one of the best screen-to-body ratios I've seen - one of the reasons I stopped liking HTCs after the original One/m7.
Anyway, watching, playing, reading feels really nice on such a huge screen & I've been reaching less & less for my tablet as it is. Doesn't seem to be too much of a battery sucker at low brightnesses but you feel the drain at higher brightness levels. I'm a 5ft9" guy & usually use the device with 2 hands; 6.8" is a bit too big - 6.2"-6.3" seems to be the sweet spot for me.
3: GPS - gets a fix fast & is usually reliable. Never really had an issue with it.
4: WIFI - as mentioned, won't connect to 5GHz, but 2.4GHz is OK, as are the speeds. No dropouts & doesn't take its toll on the battery. Range capture is OK, nothing to write home about.
5: Audio - one of the low points - if you have good earphones or headphones, the built-in DAC might make up for the crappy device audio. Speaker audio is downright horrible by today's standards.
Best I've experienced are of course HTC, & Sony.
6: Storage - I have the 64Gb + external 128Gb microsd Samsung EVO+. I am installing games with huge space requirements (Final Fantasy, emulators & their ISOs), lots of downloads, lots of audio, & not once have I been nagged for space running low. Storage speed is nothing special, definitely not Samsung-fast.
7: Bluetooth - drops out once in a while, but I rarely really use it.
8: 3G/4G - usually stays connected to 4G in urban areas, but sometime stuggles with keeping a connection where other phones still have connectivity.
9: Camera - quality is OK with decent lighting, but struggles in low light - definitely worse than the LG G4.
10: Touch responsiveness - OK, but not great.
11: Battery life - as long as you're not running on high brighness, it really does offer great battery life.
Barely comes close to 2 days of heavy usage, despite what Huawei advertised.
11: software-wise - gets some updates once every month or so, but even at the dawn of Android N, still didn't receive the Marshmallow update.
Virtually zero community support due to spotty GPL compliance related to the released open source components. Definitely no developer support like in the case of Sony. Zero responsiveness to queries by global support. Rooting & customization will be your only salvation.
Usability - the heavily skinned interface takes some getting used to it but nothing alternative apps can't remedy to. The phone itself is quite responsive, with support for most software features. Doesn't have NFC, but not an issue for me. Some built-in features are really useful, like the permission manager & background app monitor, but both are now a standard in android 6.0.
12: performance - you must keep in mind that the P8max is really a mid-ranger. You might encounter rare initial lags with demanding, big apps or games, but the regular mortal you will rarely feel it.
It all boils down to your needs - what are you looking for in a phone?
The snapdragon platform is mature - will provide excellent performance & compatibility, good battery life (especially on the 16nm FinFET process) & should have plenty of developer/community support. The Huawei Kirin platform is not there yet. I was hoping for changes due to advent of the Nexus 6P, but they used a SD810 instead of a Kirin.
Keep in mind that the Kirin935 in the P8max is an aging platform, but prices should drop in accordance.
Are you a power user - if yes, go for Snapdragon, or for Exynos, but I'd really go for Snapdragon. Mediatek is not there yet.
Are you a mere mortal, looking for regular performance from your phone (save for the big screen) - you can bet on any of them.
I'd really go for the LeMax Pro though, unless other manufacturers announce 6"+ devices (I'm looking forward to a Sony Ultra this year). The Kirin935 & SD810 are a thing of the past now.
Again - what are YOU looking for?
first thank you adwinp and TheTruthSeeker
I will definitely heed to your advice and be patient for now see what comes next
I am leaning more towards the LE Max as future support is important for me I don't change phones often
I also desire to have a phone with a good internal speaker sound but then I guess the new le max will have the same speaker as the older one which I understand is only mediocre in quality...
I do use the phone to play music with sheet music on the go so I look at musical notes on the screen which have to be large and listen through the speaker
at the moment I have a small nexus 4 phone so even the 6.3 inch would be an upgrade screen wise but I am not sure if the speaker on the le max is better than the one on my current nexus 4 I can't find any details on the speaker of the le max...
my main concerns are
- good sound and good LARGE screen above 6 inch
- good support updates and preparation for future (as much as possible)
- smoothness of operation the least amount of lag when launching apps and multitasking (I don't do games though)
one of you mentioned some touch problems with the screen I think, this concerns me as I have such problems in my nexus 4 and they annoy me a lot
I listened to some music on the internal speaker of my cousin's lg g4 phone and was quite impressed with the quality, do any of these phones can compare with the quality of sound of the lg g4?
what other phones are to be waiting for this year, the le max pro the maybe p9 max but is the z6 ultra going to be better than any of these for my needs?
or any other phone you know off bigger than 6 inch?
thank you again!
- Emmanuel
After my Tour to Android and P8Max I would only take a Snapdragon device if u plan to have it longer and want Updates and Roms!
I think the Sony Ultra modell this yeah will be your best choice, I will sell my P8max too if the Specc are good!
thank you Hirs_E_Fruit, why do you think the sony would be better than theLE Max? and another issue is how do we know if sony is actually going to release a z6 ultra, and last are there any other upcoming phones larger than 6 inch?
I think because Sony will sell it worldwide officially so there will be a larger base of community. Rumours suggest there will be 4 Versions of the z6, lets hope its true.
P9max but i would not recommend it anymore.
emmanuelw said:
first thank you adwinp and TheTruthSeeker
thank you again!
- Emmanuel
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TheTruthSeeker said:
Wait for the Le Max Pro, before deciding.
Cheers.
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@ Truthseeker: How is the refresh/frame rate on the p8max? I heard it leaves trails, which I find odd. How are the colors/blacks and what about the sharpness (count pixels easily?) Last but not least, is the speaker of good quality? Cheers :good:
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Excellent pertinent comparison, @TheTruthSeeker. What do you do for a living?
@emmanuelw - I've been changing phones every ~6 months or so for the better part of my smartphone consumer years since the HTC Diamond Touch (yes I know, I'm ashamed, I was a Windows Mobile user). HTC, Sony, Huawei, ... you name it - I've owned most flagships.
Here's my experience with the device so far:
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@ adwinp: How is the refresh/frame rate on the p8max? I heard it leaves trails, which I find odd. How are the colors/blacks and what about the sharpness (count pixels easily?) You're the only one who said that the speaker is horrible, strange.
adwinp said:
Excellent pertinent comparison, @TheTruthSeeker. What do you do for a living?
@emmanuelw - I've been changing phones every ~6 months or so for the better part of my smartphone consumer years since the HTC Diamond Touch (yes I know, I'm ashamed, I was a Windows Mobile user). HTC, Sony, Huawei, ... you name it - I've owned most flagships.
Here's my experience with the device so far:
1: really good all-around build quality - metal + glass. Neither scratch easily (I do not use a phone case or screen protector).
2: huge screen - I wanted to see whether this would blur the line between a smartphone & tablet, as I've been using the latter for most of my multimedia needs (video, gaming).
The device sports one of the best screen-to-body ratios I've seen - one of the reasons I stopped liking HTCs after the original One/m7.
Anyway, watching, playing, reading feels really nice on such a huge screen & I've been reaching less & less for my tablet as it is. Doesn't seem to be too much of a battery sucker at low brightnesses but you feel the drain at higher brightness levels. I'm a 5ft9" guy & usually use the device with 2 hands; 6.8" is a bit too big - 6.2"-6.3" seems to be the sweet spot for me.
3: GPS - gets a fix fast & is usually reliable. Never really had an issue with it.
4: WIFI - as mentioned, won't connect to 5GHz, but 2.4GHz is OK, as are the speeds. No dropouts & doesn't take its toll on the battery. Range capture is OK, nothing to write home about.
5: Audio - one of the low points - if you have good earphones or headphones, the built-in DAC might make up for the crappy device audio. Speaker audio is downright horrible by today's standards.
Best I've experienced are of course HTC, & Sony.
6: Storage - I have the 64Gb + external 128Gb microsd Samsung EVO+. I am installing games with huge space requirements (Final Fantasy, emulators & their ISOs), lots of downloads, lots of audio, & not once have I been nagged for space running low. Storage speed is nothing special, definitely not Samsung-fast.
7: Bluetooth - drops out once in a while, but I rarely really use it.
8: 3G/4G - usually stays connected to 4G in urban areas, but sometime stuggles with keeping a connection where other phones still have connectivity.
9: Camera - quality is OK with decent lighting, but struggles in low light - definitely worse than the LG G4.
10: Touch responsiveness - OK, but not great.
11: Battery life - as long as you're not running on high brighness, it really does offer great battery life.
Barely comes close to 2 days of heavy usage, despite what Huawei advertised.
11: software-wise - gets some updates once every month or so, but even at the dawn of Android N, still didn't receive the Marshmallow update.
Virtually zero community support due to spotty GPL compliance related to the released open source components. Definitely no developer support like in the case of Sony. Zero responsiveness to queries by global support. Rooting & customization will be your only salvation.
Usability - the heavily skinned interface takes some getting used to it but nothing alternative apps can't remedy to. The phone itself is quite responsive, with support for most software features. Doesn't have NFC, but not an issue for me. Some built-in features are really useful, like the permission manager & background app monitor, but both are now a standard in android 6.0.
12: performance - you must keep in mind that the P8max is really a mid-ranger. You might encounter rare initial lags with demanding, big apps or games, but the regular mortal you will rarely feel it.
It all boils down to your needs - what are you looking for in a phone?
The snapdragon platform is mature - will provide excellent performance & compatibility, good battery life (especially on the 16nm FinFET process) & should have plenty of developer/community support. The Huawei Kirin platform is not there yet. I was hoping for changes due to advent of the Nexus 6P, but they used a SD810 instead of a Kirin.
Keep in mind that the Kirin935 in the P8max is an aging platform, but prices should drop in accordance.
Are you a power user - if yes, go for Snapdragon, or for Exynos, but I'd really go for Snapdragon. Mediatek is not there yet.
Are you a mere mortal, looking for regular performance from your phone (save for the big screen) - you can bet on any of them.
I'd really go for the LeMax Pro though, unless other manufacturers announce 6"+ devices (I'm looking forward to a Sony Ultra this year). The Kirin935 & SD810 are a thing of the past now.
Again - what are YOU looking for?
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@adwinp - Thank you for your kind words, I work in the social legal field but repair mobile devices and dab in ROM play here and there. Learning and by no means near a pro/amateur/etc.
I too swap devices regularly and have not held a flagship longer than a year since my blackberry 8800 back in the day! Way back lol.
A wealth of information in your post here, well said and done! Great post!!!
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@ Truthseeker: How is the refresh/frame rate on the p8max? I heard it leaves trails, which I find odd. How are the colors/blacks and what about the sharpness (count pixels easily?) Last but not least, is the speaker of good quality? Cheers :good:
@gideonMorrison In all honesty, everyday use NO trails or flashing (Everyday use being texts, emails, maybe two dots, chess, checking the weather and the like) but in memory intensive games (chaos rings 2, need for speed MW, 6 guns, anomaly 2, etc) you will notice trails, screen flashing, and (when the device heats up) dreadded laaaaag. It doesn't happen all the time, but often enough to realize this is a midrange phone NOT a flagship, premium device built to dominate from Huawei.
As for the speaker, its decent. It can play at high volumes with no considerable distortion. BUT, do they have the same sound quality of say a Blackberry passport or HTC boomsound, sadly no. But this is my humble opinion. You will enjoy the speaker while on speaker phone, watching youtube videos, etc. True audiophiles will look past the specs and agree that this is a good speaker with ok sound quality.
Hope this has helped.
Cheers!
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@adwinp - Thank you for your kind words, I work in the social legal field but repair mobile devices and dab in ROM play here and there. Learning and by no means near a pro/amateur/etc.
I too swap devices regularly and have not held a flagship longer than a year since my blackberry 8800 back in the day! Way back lol.
A wealth of information in your post here, well said and done! Great post!!!
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@ Truthseeker: How is the refresh/frame rate on the p8max? I heard it leaves trails, which I find odd. How are the colors/blacks and what about the sharpness (count pixels easily?) Last but not least, is the speaker of good quality? Cheers :good:
@gideonMorrison In all honesty, everyday use NO trails or flashing (Everyday use being texts, emails, maybe two dots, chess, checking the weather and the like) but in memory intensive games (chaos rings 2, need for speed MW, 6 guns, anomaly 2, etc) you will notice trails, screen flashing, and (when the device heats up) dreadded laaaaag. It doesn't happen all the time, but often enough to realize this is a midrange phone NOT a flagship, premium device built to dominate from Huawei.
As for the speaker, its decent. It can play at high volumes with no considerable distortion. BUT, do they have the same sound quality of say a Blackberry passport or HTC boomsound, sadly no. But this is my humble opinion. You will enjoy the speaker while on speaker phone, watching youtube videos, etc. True audiophiles will look past the specs and agree that this is a good speaker with ok sound quality.
Hope this has helped.
Cheers!
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Thanks Truthseeker for your extensive reply :good: I remember my old Galaxy Nexus suffering from bad ghosting, which is years ago, but find it somehow hard to believe the Max has the same issue (in the year 2015, that is). Is it something a lot more phones suffer from, because it is a new-ish device and by now you'd think they won't make (old) mistakes anymore. I wonder if I would really really (while gaming/watching movies as well?) notice and be put off about it (trails/ghosting/flashing). Not entirely sure what you mean by flashing however
Good to hear about the speaker. My Alcatel Idol 3 had superb stereo speakers, but have a feeling this one isn't bad indeed.