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Heres what I understand:
$30 Unlimited Data plan to the phone (as usual)
Optional $20 Wifi Tethering with 2GB cap (through Verizon App?)
When 2.2 comes out, will the built in Android Wifi hotspot be removed? Or will it work without the $20 wifi plan?
They have to disable it. Otherwise, who in their right mind is going to pay for something when there's software already on the phone that allows you to do it?
I guess I'll just be sticking to PdaNet. Nice try though, VZW.
Yeah, darn. Hopefully the geniuses here can find some way to reenable built in wifi tethering so that vzw cant tell that its being tethered. I want wifi on my ipad
does this mean there is a high chance this phone will be un-rootable? because of http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/
2.2 source code may be released to the carriers but they can change it however they want to fit thier hardware and needs.
So if they want to take out the free wifi hotspot capabilities in 2.2 for the X or other devices and still charge for wifi hotspot capabilities with 2gb caps for 20 bux then guess what, they can.
PDAbnet may do wifi tethering but that is different from wifi hotspotting to multiple devices
remember that once rooted you can flash different roms and install any apps to your hearts content
Pitnefor said:
does this mean there is a high chance this phone will be un-rootable? because of http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/
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This doesn't really have any bearing on whether the phone will be unrootable - IMO every phone is rootable, it is just a matter of finding an exploit... Hopefully this phone will be easier than the last one I had (Droid ERIS :-/)
This is not correct. The Milestone has been rooted but no access to the bootloader has been had meaning no custom Tom's.
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Here is a few things to keep in mind..
The Verizon 3G app is infrastructure, thus it works with things like PSP and Nintendo DS, which is why i keep it. The Wireless tether apps are only ad-hoc for now.
From what ive been told, the verizon app loads a different firmware before running.
Now, what verizon can do and has done in the past, especially on windows mobile phones, is take out a feature like wifi hotspot in an OS, and put their own in its place.
do NOT be surprised if VZW does the same thing with 2.2 and yes, it is 20 a month for a measly 2gb on the hot spot app, but wireless tether is unlimited for 30
this is why i ONLY use the hot app for PSP and DS and the rest wi-t for root
not to mention, i am not even sure if the 2.2 is ad-hoc or infrastructure.. anyone know?
This is how the USB Tethering works for Verizon's 2.2 FroYo build, and I'll safely assume that it'll be the same for WiFi:
When you connect via USB Tethering, the phone directs you to a Verizon webpage (https://dunsp.vzw.com/selfProvisioning/SelfProvisioningServlet) which informs you of the package costs, and gives the phone number to add the package.
Interestingly enough, this only occurs if you tether it's 3G connection and not it's WiFi connection.
You may wonder why you'd want to tether a phone's WiFi connection via USB.. well.. personally I just pay for the Boingo mobile hotspot ($7.99/mo), which will work on my iPad or Droid, and if I need to use my PC, I tether my Droid's WiFi to my laptop. Saves $9.99/mo.
I'm going on a road trip and want to use my Skyrocket to give Internet access to my Dell Mini laptop. So I called AT&T to ask how that could be done. I was willing to pay whatever fee's they required.
But they told me the only way to do it is for me to relinquish my current unlimited-data play. Then they would put me on a new plan that allows "tethering".
But I could never go back to my unlimited-data plan afterwards.
WTF?
So I'm rooted & running SkyICS ROM.
What is the best way for me to get my laptop onto the Internet using my AT&T cell data service? I just need it for a couple weeks.
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I'm going on a road trip and want to use my Skyrocket to give Internet access to my Dell Mini laptop. So I called AT&T to ask how that could be done. I was willing to pay whatever fee's they required.
But they told me the only way to do it is for me to relinquish my current unlimited-data play. Then they would put me on a new plan that allows "tethering".
But I could never go back to my unlimited-data plan afterwards.
WTF?
So I'm rooted & running SkyICS ROM.
What is the best way for me to get my laptop onto the Internet using my AT&T cell data service? I just need it for a couple weeks.
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Use the hotspot or usb tether on your phone
You will be prevented from using USB tether or WiFi tether if you don't have a tethering plan from AT&T. Since you are rooted, freezing programs is possible (using Titanium Backup, or others). Freezing a certain program that manages tethering (which I will leave nameless so that I am not implicated in violating AT&Ts rules ).
I have used this method myself, and tried the WiFi tethering. It works, but I might not recommended using it excessively. AT&T apparently can tell by looking at the data if you are tethering, and the more you do it, the more likely they will check. But for brief usage, it has worked well, and I haven't received any of the nasty-gram texts. The risk, of course, is that they will automatically change you over to a tiered data plan with tethering.
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You will be prevented from using USB tether or WiFi tether if you don't have a tethering plan from AT&T. Since you are rooted, freezing programs is possible (using Titanium Backup, or others). Freezing a certain program that manages tethering (which I will leave nameless so that I am not implicated in violating AT&Ts rules ).
I have used this method myself, and tried the WiFi tethering. It works, but I might not recommended using it excessively. AT&T apparently can tell by looking at the data if you are tethering, and the more you do it, the more likely they will check. But for brief usage, it has worked well, and I haven't received any of the nasty-gram texts. The risk, of course, is that they will automatically change you over to a tiered data plan with tethering.
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The rom he is on may have already enabled tethering as well, as most roms do this. But yes, when I was stock rooted I froze the "nameless thing" as well.
I pulled open Titanium backup and don't see the tethermanager in the list so I can freeze it?
I don't want USB tethering, just wireless.
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I pulled open Titanium backup and don't see the tethermanager in the list so I can freeze it?
I don't want USB tethering, just wireless.
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It's probably already baked into your rom.
Open wireless and network/ tethering portable and hotspot /portable wifi hotspot settings/ and then tick the box PORTABLE WI-FI HOTSPOT. See if it works for ya
I use open garden to tether.
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Foxfi from the play store works. I've only tested it out briefly to see if it worked. Haven't used it to much so I don't know if att will send you a text. No root necessary either.
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I have never Tethered my Samsung Ace to my Asus Pad TF300T before and I have been reserching this feature because I am about to go on holiday.
Before I experimented I asked my ISP (Virgin Mobile) if this was possible. They replied that I could Tether my phone for the princely sum of 50 pence a time.
Now I'm not happy with being charged twice for the same thing when all I want to do is surf on a bigger screen.
Is there any way that I can Tether my phone and tablet without having to pay 50 pence a pop?
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I have never Tethered my Samsung Ace to my Asus Pad TF300T before and I have been reserching this feature because I am about to go on holiday.
Before I experimented I asked my ISP (Virgin Mobile) if this was possible. They replied that I could Tether my phone for the princely sum of 50 pence a time.
Now I'm not happy with being charged twice for the same thing when all I want to do is surf on a bigger screen.
Is there any way that I can Tether my phone and tablet without having to pay 50 pence a pop?
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If you have root you search the market for wifi tether apps that will let you tether with out the restrictions from your carrier. BEWARE- you will pay for data if you go over your data limit, of course, so keep an eye out.
If you not rooted, it limits you down to unlocking it with your isp, rooting your device(then it doesn't matter because you are rooted), or installing a custom rom with tethering included already(generally comes with root as well).
I'm sure there are more options available but those would seem the most direct route at least...
If I'm wrong or anything please feel free to correct me.
Isn't 50 p not the normal data tariff ? Thethering uses data.
You can try FoxFi from the Market. It works wonderfully. If you have unlimited data on your phone like I do, then you can just use that to tether to whatever devices you want to using WiFi.
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Teathering is patr of your data plan. You can have up to 5 devices hooked up to your phone, but still have to watch out for going over your data plan
yes
you can if you root your phone and install a wifi tether app, like "wifi tether" or "barnacle". however, it will run off your data plan, so if you have unlimited data then yes it is free, but if you have a data cap, you may need to watch how much data you tether.
Are these apps encrypting your traffic? I would think the carriers can detect tethering based off your traffic.
I have been using FoxFi for more than a year now to tether. You don't need to root your phone, and to your carrier, it just looks like data that your phone itself is using. They can see that you are viewing sites with a desktop/tablet User string, but that's it. Unless they really analyze it, they won't know you are using the tethering app.
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Tried to ask this in the general forums and didn't get an answer, wondering f you guys could help. Got an s3 to keep my unlimited data. Reading it says that Verizon can tell if you tethering to a computer due to TTL packets. I don't know much about networking but reading it says that windows computers while tethering push a value of 124 or 128 packets unless configured while android devices have a value of 64. The thing is I never tether to my computer only my tablet. So can I safely go nuts tethering to my tablet as if it was my phone due to it looking like I'm using my phone or am I way off and can Verizon tell I'm tethering and using my tablet. I really just want tot tether the hell out f my tablet when I need it. Anyways as this is XDA can I hide it safely? I have an unlimited data plan so the whole OK to tether thing since that lawsuit doesn't apply to me with this.
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Tried to ask this in the general forums and didn't get an answer, wondering f you guys could help. Got an s3 to keep my unlimited data. Reading it says that Verizon can tell if you tethering to a computer due to TTL packets. I don't know much about networking but reading it says that windows computers while tethering push a value of 124 or 128 packets unless configured while android devices have a value of 64. The thing is I never tether to my computer only my tablet.
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I don't know about the packet size issue you mentioned.
Otherwise, I have read that if*your Verizon tethering indicator turns on or your usage suddenly goes quite high for a month or more, they might suspect you of tethering without a plan and look into it. It's also said that apps like PDAnet make it very difficult for the service provider to figure out if you are tethering or not - regardless of what you're connected to.
- ooofest
VZW can no longer block tethering on 4g phones. Due to FCC saying so. Simple Google search will fond multiple articles.
There is no restrictions on unlimited versus tiered data plan. What counts is that you have a 4g phone. Check out this article ans the tether away.
http://www.zdnet.com/let-my-wi-fi-go-fcc-rules-verizon-cant-charge-for-wi-fi-tethering-7000001916/
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I've read differently. It sounds like if you have an unlimited data plan you can only use that data plan for a single device meaning that you can't tether the unlimited data. I read multiple places that this is part of the terms of service and it doesn't apply to unlimited data plan users... M
aybe somebody can clarify this for me because it would be great to use my unlimited data for tethering when on vacations.
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Tethering
Its like not paying you bill. You get a warning. You can always deny it or ignore it. Modern PDANet if thats what you are boing to use has some countermeasures. At least 2 I think. Don't know if they are effective. You can just use Orobot to tunnel your traffic and I'm pretty certain that would work. I don't know what you plan to do but I wouldn't go download something shady from some torrent site though. Web browsing and getting email is probably fine.
I've been tethering my laptop to my phone since I first figured out how to do it with the Droid X. Meaning basically since I rooted it and found a decent tether app. Out of 5 people on a business share plan(business version of family plan - add a line for 9.99 etc) I've always had significantly highest usage. 5 gigs at a bare minimum, and not once has verizon figured out I'm tethering.
I honestly dont think they can really tell if you are or arent tehtering. 4g or 3g.
Curious, is Verizon still charging people today who were paying before the ruling? Is it possible now for me to use built in hotspot instead of wifi tether, regardless of whether or not i am on a custom rom? I am using latest synergy atm with wifi tether, i should have no problem using built in right?
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Curious, is Verizon still charging people today who were paying before the ruling? Is it possible now for me to use built in hotspot instead of wifi tether, regardless of whether or not i am on a custom rom? I am using latest synergy atm with wifi tether, i should have no problem using built in right?
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I believe you can if you turn it on through the notification toggles...Why tho? The WiFi for Root Users is a lot more customizable...
sfetaz said:
Curious, is Verizon still charging people today who were paying before the ruling? Is it possible now for me to use built in hotspot instead of wifi tether, regardless of whether or not i am on a custom rom? I am using latest synergy atm with wifi tether, i should have no problem using built in right?
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atm no. the software is still there to keep you from doing that. IF you root, the world is your oyster though... and they aren't actually allowed to do anything to do. They just aren't rushing to open everyone up to free hotspotting.
I have been a customer of Virgin Mobile for years. When I purchase my new LG Volt they said I had to move to a new plan that went from $25/mo to $35/mo because it uses 3G or 4G or some such thing. The plan was for 300 minutes a month and unlimited data and supposedly stayed the same when moving to the new plan.
Anyway, on my old phone I could tether and since I had unlimited data in both cases I thought that I could tether my new phone to my pc like I did the old one. Didn't happen. Seems VM is now blocking tethering unless you purchase something call HOTSPOT for more money.
So my question is:
Is it possible to override the blocking of tethering on a phone and use your data plan with your pc tethered to your phone? I would think with a rooted phone there would be a way to fake out the phone to make it think the data is from the phone rather than a tethered device.
Anyone have any ideas?
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I have been a customer of Virgin Mobile for years. When I purchase my new LG Volt they said I had to move to a new plan that went from $25/mo to $35/mo because it uses 3G or 4G or some such thing. The plan was for 300 minutes a month and unlimited data and supposedly stayed the same when moving to the new plan.
Anyway, on my old phone I could tether and since I had unlimited data in both cases I thought that I could tether my new phone to my pc like I did the old one. Didn't happen. Seems VM is now blocking tethering unless you purchase something call HOTSPOT for more money.
So my question is:
Is it possible to override the blocking of tethering on a phone and use your data plan with your pc tethered to your phone? I would think with a rooted phone there would be a way to fake out the phone to make it think the data is from the phone rather than a tethered device.
Anyone have any ideas?
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Pda net can be used for tethering.. If ur phone doesn't support tethering...
Yes pda net will be perfect for you but its a pc software and it will be perfect for you only then if your phone doesn't support tethering
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JimReid said:
I have been a customer of Virgin Mobile for years. When I purchase my new LG Volt they said I had to move to a new plan that went from $25/mo to $35/mo because it uses 3G or 4G or some such thing. The plan was for 300 minutes a month and unlimited data and supposedly stayed the same when moving to the new plan.
Anyway, on my old phone I could tether and since I had unlimited data in both cases I thought that I could tether my new phone to my pc like I did the old one. Didn't happen. Seems VM is now blocking tethering unless you purchase something call HOTSPOT for more money.
So my question is:
Is it possible to override the blocking of tethering on a phone and use your data plan with your pc tethered to your phone? I would think with a rooted phone there would be a way to fake out the phone to make it think the data is from the phone rather than a tethered device.
Anyone have any ideas?
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There's a few different options, but USB tethering with PdaNet is the easiest and probably the best, so long as you only need the one connection. It doesn't require root, and USB tethering takes far less juice than wifi tethering does. It uses a companion app on your PC, and there's an option to "hide tether usage", which creates a sorta VPN which prevents the provider from knowing how you're using the data. This should work for you, but I can't confirm for certain. PdaNet is $8 (well worth it), but there's a free trial version so you can test before purchasing (it cuts your connection off after ~10 minutes and you have to reload the app).
Any method to bypass wifi tether provisioning will require root plus using the hotspot generates a ton of heat and will nuke your battery in very short order. Which is all well and good if you want to root anyway. I use Fabio Grasso's Wifi Tether Router. It's $2.50 (and well worth it). It can be a bit tricky to set up, as different phones require different settings. Plus he's Italian, so his English isn't the best. But he'll respond to an email if you're having difficulty, and it's regularly updated for new Android versions, new devices, and bug fixes. PdaNet should be your main method, but it never hurts to have both in case you need a hotspot for a laptop or tablet while away from home. You can actually use both simultaneously, which I do at home to provide a connection to my PC, tablet, and any phone that doesn't have the SIM card in.
Thanks to all of you responding. It seems to work find with USB tethering which will serve my purposes but the wifi tethering didn't seem to work right off so I'll have to play with it. It gave the same error about contacting my provider because it doesn't support HotSpots and I need to purchase that option. But the like I said the USB option seems to work fine and will serve me well. Thanks again to all of your responses.
Jim