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Hi guys
As some of you know I've been having problems with my lg g2 and i think I'm going to give up and buy a new phone.
I've narrowed it down to either a HTC M8 or a Samsung S5.
I know there seems to be an unlimited amount of reviews on the internet but you cant always go by spec alone and to be honest a lot of them seem a bit biased or favour the htc just because its not as popular as a Samsung phone.
I actually went out to a phone shop today to buy the S5 but they had sold out and while i was in there i had a look at the M8 and i was really tempted to go for it.
The pros on both phones for me are (so you can get an idea on what I'm looking for in a phone):
Samsung S5:
1. Camera (this is a big one for me).
2. Reputable brand with a lot of service centres should things go wrong.
3. Parts easy to get.
4. takes a micro sd card.
I'm not too fussed about the gimmicks such as the finger print scanner, heart monitor, water resistance.
Bad points:
1. feels a bit like cheap plastic to hold.
HTC M8
1. Feels nicer to hold.
2. Knock on feature.
3. seems faster than the s5.
4. Takes a micro sd card.
Not too fussed about the boom sound speaker as my phone is on vibrate most of the time and i don't walk down the street playing music out of my phone (why do kids do that...lol)
Bad points:
1. Camera (i use my phones camera a lot).
2. I noticed that the display model in store had a lot of paint chips (it was gunmetal grey) so I'm not sure if this phone will stay looking good.
3. doesn't have a removable battery
Another thing you don't hear about in reviews.......
I always stock root my android phones so what one is the easiest to root and unroot if i need to return it under warranty.
And i remember when i rooted a htc one mini, that there was problems every time htc pushed out an update, is that the same with samsung.
What do you guys think?
Inked_ said:
Hi guys
As some of you know I've been having problems with my lg g2 and i think I'm going to give up and buy a new phone.
I've narrowed it down to either a HTC M8 or a Samsung S5.
I know there seems to be an unlimited amount of reviews on the internet but you cant always go by spec alone and to be honest a lot of them seem a bit biased or favour the htc just because its not as popular as a Samsung phone.
I actually went out to a phone shop today to buy the S5 but they had sold out and while i was in there i had a look at the M8 and i was really tempted to go for it.
The pros on both phones for me are (so you can get an idea on what I'm looking for in a phone):
Samsung S5:
1. Camera (this is a big one for me).
2. Reputable brand with a lot of service centres should things go wrong.
3. Parts easy to get.
4. takes a micro sd card.
I'm not too fussed about the gimmicks such as the finger print scanner, heart monitor, water resistance.
Bad points:
1. feels a bit like cheap plastic to hold.
HTC M8
1. Feels nicer to hold.
2. Knock on feature.
3. seems faster than the s5.
4. Takes a micro sd card.
Not too fussed about the boom sound speaker as my phone is on vibrate most of the time and i don't walk down the street playing music out of my phone (why do kids do that...lol)
Bad points:
1. Camera (i use my phones camera a lot).
2. I noticed that the display model in store had a lot of paint chips (it was gunmetal grey) so I'm not sure if this phone will stay looking good.
3. doesn't have a removable battery
Another thing you don't hear about in reviews.......
I always stock root my android phones so what one is the easiest to root and unroot if i need to return it under warranty.
And i remember when i rooted a htc one mini, that there was problems every time htc pushed out an update, is that the same with samsung.
What do you guys think?
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If you wanna root, Samsung is a no go because of Knox. But since you require a good camera, you might want to consider Sony (but their boot loader unlocking process might be a little troublesome).
I'm not sure about HTCs as I've never touched one before. The boot loader might trouble you too, as with Sony devices.
My personal recommendation is an Oppo Find 7 or a One Plus One. Their rooting process is quite simple and AFAIK Oppo doesn't void warranty if you root in some countries.
Hope you get a good phone
Sent from a Nameless fellow licking Lollipop.
Singaporean Oppo Find 7a
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Irwenzhao said:
If you wanna root, Samsung is a no go because of Knox. But since you require a good camera, you might want to consider Sony (but their boot loader unlocking process might be a little troublesome).
I'm not sure about HTCs as I've never touched one before. The boot loader might trouble you too, as with Sony devices.
My personal recommendation is an Oppo Find 7 or a One Plus One. Their rooting process is quite simple and AFAIK Oppo doesn't void warranty if you root in some countries.
Hope you get a good phone
Sent from a Nameless fellow licking Lollipop.
Singaporean Oppo Find 7a
Click that "Thanks" button if I helped you!
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Thanks for the reply
I've not read up on knox yet but I've read a lot of people have rooted their s5 without any problems
Something else I need to consider between the s5 and m8 is heat.
I'm sure the root cause of the problems with my g2 was it heating up while being on it a long time or watching videos.
Do any of these phone have heat issues?
Also what one should get the latest android os for the longest (I think htc guarantee a minimum of 2 years) ?
You should wait for the m9. Samsung is a definite no go if you want to root. Build quality is also very good on the m8 and will most likely improve with the m9.
I would highly suggest waiting g for the m9 as HTC is dumping their ultrapixel technology and the camera will most likely jump ALOT. It is rumored to be announced within the next month, but if not, then it should be announced by, let's say, April or May. If you don't want to wait, try maybe an Lg G3 or even a Nexus 5.
Cheers and happy device hunting!
ANDR01DN00B said:
You should wait for the m9. Samsung is a definite no go if you want to root. Build quality is also very good on the m8 and will most likely improve with the m9.
I would highly suggest waiting g for the m9 as HTC is dumping their ultrapixel technology and the camera will most likely jump ALOT. It is rumored to be announced within the next month, but if not, then it should be announced by, let's say, April or May. If you don't want to wait, try maybe an Lg G3 or even a Nexus 5.
Cheers and happy device hunting!
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I really cant wait so it needs to be the s5 or m8.
I've lost trust in lg and the nexus doesn't have a sd card slot.
Im actually shocked that your all saying that I shouldn't get the s5 because of root (I thought it would be something like the build quality...lol) as ive read loads of people have rooted their s5's.
I think they use something called towelroot and oden pro to flash the firmware?
I've just read that you can uninstall knox, is this true?
No you cannot uninstall Knox. The issue with the s5 is that when you install a custom recovery, it tells Knox something is wrong and your warranty becomes PERMANENTLY voided. Knox is permanent whether you are running a Touchwiz ROM or a Stock Android ROM.
Trust me if knox was uninstallable I would've bought the s4 over my m7.
The build quality is OK on the s5 but the m8 outplays it by 5,000,000%.
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No you cannot uninstall Knox. The issue with the s5 is that when you install a custom recovery, it tells Knox something is wrong and your warranty becomes PERMANENTLY voided. Knox is permanent whether you are running a Touchwiz ROM or a Stock Android ROM.
Trust me if knox was uninstallable I would've bought the s4 over my m7.
The build quality is OK on the s5 but the m8 outplays it by 5,000,000%.
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ok thanks
The m8 seems a lot easier to root as you can still use htcdev...etc the only thing im not sure about is what to do when htc update thing like sense...etc as I remember there being a problem with update as htc detect the custom recovery.
The things that are holding me back from the M8 are:
1. No removable battery.
2. The camera (4 ultra pixel).
3. htc as a brand compared with the likes of Samsung (devs do more for Samsung and there's more accessories for Samsung).
4. s5 has a LOT more features.
If I could get me head passed all that then I would go for it....lol
I would go for the Htc
I've been using the Htc for the past few years, I've got friends whose got the S5 and the M8.
Sadly my friend with the S5 was pretty disappointed with the phone( I'll get to know more about the trouble when i meet him on monday) But however my friend with the M8 which he had used it for some time now, he never complains about it in fact it runs pretty smooth, but the only problem with the phone is the battery, or otherwise it's a real good phone. On my point of view i trust the Htc since it's made in my country and the service here is excellent.
I hope you made up your mind soon and will be happy with your new phone
Cheers!! (And sorry for the bad English):good:
Inked_ said:
ok thanks The m8 seems a lot easier to root as you can still use htcdev...etc the only thing im not sure about is what to do when htc update thing like sense...etc as I remember there being a problem with update as htc detect the custom recovery.
The things that are holding me back from the M8 are:
1. No removable battery.
2. The camera (4 ultra pixel).
3. htc as a brand compared with the likes of Samsung (devs do more for Samsung and there's more accessories for Samsung).
4. s5 has a LOT more features.
If I could get me head passed all that then I would go for it....lol
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Well yes when you enter the bootloader after installing a custom recovery it will show "TAMPERED" at the top, but unlike knox, this can be reset/removed with S-OFF
1)I dont see the point in a removable battery (the battery is actually really good despite the smaller size)
2)Yeah... it's not the best and definitely could be the worst
3)There are still ALOT of cases for the m8 (even dome dope ones not for the m7 )
4)Those extra features are more gimmic-y really IMO and it does in fact take up more RAM and in turn battery
(yes, I am an HTC fanboy :silly
@SinkRate
Thanks for your input and there's nothing wrong with your english
@ANDR01DNOOB
So do you have the M8 ?
I suppose the battery isn't such a big issue as a lot of phones come without removable batteries now.
I've been using the HTC one mini for the past couple of days ( a loan while i sort out a phone) and I'm not really taking to it very much and I'm thinking that the m8 would just be an upgraded version of this.
How do you go about putting the phone back to stock for warranty?
Also what do you do when htc push out an update to your rooted phone?
I remember htc detecting root (i think it was the custom firmware) and not allowing the phone to install the updates.
No actually I don't have an m8 but I have spent 3+ days with one
A long process, and it requires soff, which some m8s aren't capable of having. If you need soff that bad, Sunshine will probably work with a charge of $25
Usually when an update is pushed out, you can install the stock recovery and flash the ota.
No no you're probably thinking of something else.
ANDR01DN00B said:
No actually I don't have an m8 but I have spent 3+ days with one
A long process, and it requires soff, which some m8s aren't capable of having. If you need soff that bad, Sunshine will probably work with a charge of $25
Usually when an update is pushed out, you can install the stock recovery and flash the ota.
No no you're probably thinking of something else.
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So really both S5 and M8 can be rooted and both of them have their own problems when it comes to unrooting them for warranty?
That was the problem I had, I looked everywhere for the stock recovery but I couldn't find it anywhere.
All I found was replies saying to put the update on the ignore list....lol
Inked_ said:
So really both S5 and M8 can be rooted and both of them have their own problems when it comes to unrooting them for warranty?
That was the problem I had, I looked everywhere for the stock recovery but I couldn't find it anywhere.
All I found was replies saying to put the update on the ignore list....lol
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Yep... No phone is perfect.
Rooting the S5 does not necessarily trip KNOX. Stop that nonsense.
Installing a custom firmware or recovery trips KNOX. Not rooting, at least not all methods. You just need to do it before updating. The older the firmware, the easier it is.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...2nd-method-t2843044/post54719865#post54719865
CF-Autoroot, however, does trigger it.
If you are in the EU KNOX is irrelevant.
Now, as for the rest.
A lot of people prefer HTC just because they have the desire to feel 'different' from the crowd, which they believe they can achieve by hating the largest brand. An ungodly amount of hipsters use HTC for that reason. This greatly affects people's opinions both here and in reviews. Samsung is starting to become what Apple is: hated for being popular.
Both phones will get warm. It's a powerhouse without any form of fan or heatsink. The cover is literally the only heatsink.
The M8 will get warmer because it's made of metal. That's the advantage of plastic. Plastic also dents and scratches a lot less. However, some have reported that the bezel of their S5 is loosing its metallic paint.
Personally I always use an otterbox case so I can't comment on the feel of the devices.
The camera on the S5 is much, much better.
The speaker quality of the M8 is enormously better.
The M8 is bigger and heavier, despite having a smaller screen size.
The S5 has an AMOLED screen. That means infinite contrast ratio, higher colour saturation (can be turned down), much better legible in direct sunlight and more battery efficient. (black=led off).
The M8 has an FM stereo. The S5 does not. If that matters (for many it does), keep that in mind.
The S5 has a lot of features, but nearly all of them can just be turned off with a simple toggle, or uninstalled/disabled even without root. My S5 uses about 800MB RAM without running apps. Not rooted. (did replace Touchwiz with Apex, saved me +-300MB) goes up to about 1.2GB when running Firefox, N7player, Facebook, Whatsapp and Gmail simultaneously.
The water&dust resistance is actually a useful gimmick in rainy countries.
You also need to physically look at the phones. Which one do you feel happier with just looking at it? Because if you truly don't like the look of one, you'll grow to dislike the phone itself eventually, regardless of its performance.
Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk 2
maybe you can get that HTC, or maybe samsung
from my opinion samsung sometimes got overpriced
about camera issue, maybe it can help with a little retouch with app like photoshop touch (just opinion hehe
I like the HTC M8 but I think you should go for Samsung Galaxy S5. As you said that you use camera a lot, so I think Samsung Galaxy S5 will be the best option for you.
Update.......
Before I start, I want to give a HUGE thanks to everyone that replied in this thread (if I haven't clicked you thanks button then let me know...lol)
I went with the S5 in the end and although its early days I've got to say im loving it so far.
I've put a tempered glass screen protector on it and im getting a case for it tomorrow.
Strange thing is that I've clicked manage apps and I cant see anything related to knox,.
Does this mean that I can safely root it and install custom recovery....etc without voiding the warranty ?
Inked_ said:
Update.......
Before I start, I want to give a HUGE thanks to everyone that replied in this thread (if I haven't clicked you thanks button then let me know...lol)
I went with the S5 in the end and although its early days I've got to say im loving it so far.
I've put a tempered glass screen protector on it and im getting a case for it tomorrow.
Strange thing is that I've clicked manage apps and I cant see anything related to knox,.
Does this mean that I can safely root it and install custom recovery....etc without voiding the warranty ?
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Go to download mode and check if there's something like this:
Code:
Knox Warranty Void: 0x0
or something like that.
As @ShadowLea said, rooting won't void warranty but flashing a custom ROM/Kernel/Recovery will.
Inked_ said:
Hi guys
As some of you know I've been having problems with my lg g2 and i think I'm going to give up and buy a new phone.
I've narrowed it down to either a HTC M8 or a Samsung S5.
I know there seems to be an unlimited amount of reviews on the internet but you cant always go by spec alone and to be honest a lot of them seem a bit biased or favour the htc just because its not as popular as a Samsung phone.
I actually went out to a phone shop today to buy the S5 but they had sold out and while i was in there i had a look at the M8 and i was really tempted to go for it.
The pros on both phones for me are (so you can get an idea on what I'm looking for in a phone):
Samsung S5:
1. Camera (this is a big one for me).
2. Reputable brand with a lot of service centres should things go wrong.
3. Parts easy to get.
4. takes a micro sd card.
I'm not too fussed about the gimmicks such as the finger print scanner, heart monitor, water resistance.
Bad points:
1. feels a bit like cheap plastic to hold.
HTC M8
1. Feels nicer to hold.
2. Knock on feature.
3. seems faster than the s5.
4. Takes a micro sd card.
Not too fussed about the boom sound speaker as my phone is on vibrate most of the time and i don't walk down the street playing music out of my phone (why do kids do that...lol)
Bad points:
1. Camera (i use my phones camera a lot).
2. I noticed that the display model in store had a lot of paint chips (it was gunmetal grey) so I'm not sure if this phone will stay looking good.
3. doesn't have a removable battery
Another thing you don't hear about in reviews.......
I always stock root my android phones so what one is the easiest to root and unroot if i need to return it under warranty.
And i remember when i rooted a htc one mini, that there was problems every time htc pushed out an update, is that the same with samsung.
What do you guys think?
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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5_vs_htc_one_m8-review-1067.php
Here's a full comparrison.
The HTC One M8 has a pretty bad 4MP Camera Resolution which makes Low-Light photos actually better.
The S5 can take 4k-Videos higher than the M8's Maximum Photo Resolution.
But the M8 has a nice Aluminium Design and very good Stereo-Front Facing Speakers.
It also has blinkfeed, you can like it or not.
The Dual Camera of the M8 makes nice picture effects possible.
The S5 is Water-Resistant and has a slightly better processing power.
The M8 is NOT Water Resistant but maybe survives Toilet Crashes
So, I have Had my AT&T Note edge since around April 2015. When I first Got the phone I was very happy with the new innovation of the edge screen and found it quite useful. Before, I had the Note 2 and I was in love with it, I had many different roms and dev's are still coming out with new roms for it and the only reason I got the new phone is because the screen cracked and I did not want to pay another 150$'s for a phone that was worth less than that on eBay.
Since receiving my note edge I have found nothing but problems with it (obviously after honeymoon period with the edge screen, lol). The battery life is abysmal at best, the screen transitions are slow and tedious at times, sometimes I have to launch the task manager and clean the apps(which that in enough itself is a challenge to get to launch), even if I am only using 20% of my memory. To put a little perspective on this, I have been rooting/jail breaking phones since the first iPhone came out back in 2007 and I have also switched out hardware on phones so I do know what I am doing and I realized when I bought the phone that it may be a while till a decent root/rom came out for the phone but honestly not one root or one rom for the AT&T note edge has come out.
I bought the phone knowing I would have to wait for a root/rom but I did not expect stock to be so terrible. Even after the lollipop update, the phone may have gotten a little worse, to the point where sometimes my screen will stay black when I get a phone call then when the phone almost stops ringing the screen will come on and I can then answer (most of the time). To say I am disappointed in Samsung would be an understatement. Mind you, I fell in love with my note 2 and had it until it was non functioning anymore and more expensive to fix than replace. I have nothing but praise for Samsung but they really let me down with this phone.
I have taken all the steps I can think of to increase performance even to the point of just wiping it clean and starting from scratch and it's still no where close to the performance of my note 2
All this is to ask if anyone out there can give me some suggestions of a phone that A) has the ability to be rooted B) has sufficient roms out there to test out and find a good one. Money is not a problem but I figured that this would be one of the best places to ask because I am sure all you note edge fanboys and girls were looking at other phones before you decided on the note edge and I am sure there are other people like me who probably had too high of expectations for the note edge.
I would also consider staying with the edge if the root/rom would come out soon, but I honestly don't see that happening in the near future.
Also one last thing, I am not opposed to any brand or model I just prefer a 5" screen or bigger. Also, I have checked out the Neptune Suite which looks incredible. unfortunately, I can't post a link but just search it and you'll find it.
You can get root. It's just tough. The recommended way (depending on your variant) is to get CWM and root through recovery then flash whatever recovery you want to use. For me its TWRP. The above method works on my SM-N915G.
One thing I have seen and am a bit butt hurt by is the significant downturn on custom roms for this device, or at least for my variant. The note 4 has had heaps of dev work however this beauty of a phone has been neglected. More than likely die to uptake. I just hope that they bring out an edge 2 this year and that is widely taken up, so we can get some damn customisation. I hate this 5.0.1 touch wiz rom. I have constant lag issues and its just not on. However I digress. It's a beast of a phone. Just don't expect to many roms available seeing as it is hitting end of life i.e. new version coming soon
Flame_Beard said:
You can get root. It's just tough. The recommended way (depending on your variant) is to get CWM and root through recovery then flash whatever recovery you want to use. For me its TWRP. The above method works on my SM-N915G.
One thing I have seen and am a bit butt hurt by is the significant downturn on custom roms for this device, or at least for my variant. The note 4 has had heaps of dev work however this beauty of a phone has been neglected. More than likely die to uptake. I just hope that they bring out an edge 2 this year and that is widely taken up, so we can get some damn customisation. I hate this 5.0.1 touch wiz rom. I have constant lag issues and its just not on. However I digress. It's a beast of a phone. Just don't expect to many roms available seeing as it is hitting end of life i.e. new version coming soon
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I completely agree with you that the note edge is a beast. It has all the features I was looking for in a phone EXCEPT the fact that the rooting is a mission and when you're finally done, there is little to no reward. I would have rooted a while ago but the root seems fishy at best and the temp root... well, its a temp root, lol. I miss my note 2 just for the pure simple fact that they had every single rom you could think of for that thing, hell, I would even switch to the note 4 if it was more heavily supported. Honestly, I am just saddened by AT&T's choice to lock everything and Samsung's horrific TouchWiz UI. We all know its awful. I am a die hard samsung fanboy but man, they are letting the ball drop. like the note 5, possible no removable back? What is this HTC?! I hope AT&T/Samsung realize that locking the bootloader is a pointless exercise. What modder out there ever returns their stuff for warranty?! Enough of the rant. I am most likely going to be switching to T-mobile by the end of this year(for other reasons than the phone) and was wondering if there is a better options than the note edge coming soon?
Flame_Beard said:
You can get root. It's just tough. The recommended way (depending on your variant) is to get CWM and root through recovery then flash whatever recovery you want to use. For me its TWRP. The above method works on my SM-N915G.
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also, from everything I have read, there is no secure root for the SM-N915A. I could be wrong but I don't think so unfortunately
mikeyvalentine said:
also, from everything I have read, there is no secure root for the SM-N915A. I could be wrong but I don't think so unfortunately
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There is ROOT, for an SM-N915A but you have to be on kitkat and NOT lollipop. Also root for this device is "TEMP" and not permanent, after a reboot, you loose root.
IceTwig said:
There is ROOT, for an SM-N915A but you have to be on kitkat and NOT lollipop. Also root for this device is "TEMP" and not permanent, after a reboot, you loose root.
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That's the problem, If it was a perm root. I wouldn't be so negative about this phone but since its only Temp. I feel like I kind of got cheated with this phone. It's powerful but a hog with its power, its got a great display but mainly because of the edge, and a nice size battery that, again, gets killed by the display(even at low brightness) I might have just got a lemon from the start, its happened before. I just wish that rooting this phone was easier and more satisfying than "oh sweet, I was able to root my phone! Better not restart and better be okay with the non existent roms out for it right now!"
More than likely because when Samsung released this model, they initially said that they were going to drop only 1000 units so as to "test the market waters" for the device. So sad to see because she really is a beaut. I won't be moving to a Note 4, I have a new phone owed to me by my carrier this month, so I will be waiting to see what this years Note/Note Edge offering is and I will make the change then, Fingers crossed they do run with the Note Edge design. Also too, if they follow suit with their Note lines of phone as they have with Their Galaxy S line (no expandable memory, no removable back plate) I will not be buying Samsung again. Other than the lengthy feature set for the Note Edge, the fact that they have expandable memory was the tipping point for me. Failing that I will be going elsewhere from now on. Sad to say it, but Samsung is following in Apples footsteps by telling the consumer what they can and cannot do with a device that they choose to buy.
So I was a bit impressed with the LG V10 when it first debuted so I picked it up especially after seeing the Note 5 specs, I do have to say the LG V10 did blew me away for at least the first 2-3 months plus the free battery and 200GB sd card made it a no-brainer for me, Now 10 months later my phone is having so many issues and especially after the Marshmallow update which caused some many issues with battery life, performance and heating issues (that's just me not sure if anyone had the same issue) with that being said I will be switching to the Note8 since at this point internal battery is no longer important to me and Samsung was really smart about bringing back the SDcard which to me is #1 on my priority list.
So are you switching? If so why?
I won't be switching for awhile. I'm not upgrading to quickly anymore. It's hard for me to justify a new phone that probably only has an upgraded CPU that won't really affect anything I do on my device. Waterproofing and the other updates are nice but I really don't need it. I'm enjoying root(which may get even more difficult on nouget) right now and I'll take a wait and see approach for now.
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If I switch to anything it will be the V20 depending on what the specs are.... Waiting for someone to leak something besides the very vague leaks we have so far.
The main thing I like about the note 7 is the waterproofing but I just don't think I can go to non removable battery until it's the absolute only option. I love my zerolemon too much.
Sent from my pretty nifty brand new LG V10
I'm not.
Taking a break from AMOLED screens. Every unit i've had since the Galaxy Nexus, Note 3 and N6 has had burn in within 4-5 months. LGV10 does get em, but they go away since they're less susceptible to them.
I'm also way happy with V10 camera and build. Note 7 did catch my eye with the icon theme feature but have not seen anything that I need to upgrade to. V20 I probably wont but it all depends on looks and if it has a similar build to the V10 (solid)
V20 will be my next purchase. The Note 7 looks amazing, but $900 for a locked device is unacceptable and very Apple (or anti Android) imo.
I do wish LG would use a super AMOLED screen or come up with a alternative tech that is just as vibrant.
Also it would be nice if they moved the lower navigation buttons off the screen and into the black portion that serves no purpose other than making the current v10 bulky and long.
I'm staying with Lg for the double tap to wake device alone.
I might get the V20 depending on price, special offers or specs. Otherwise I'm still very happy with my V10.
Someone mentioned this before, but I am re-stating it. 900 for knox and locked down phone will not be very popular with this community. Samsung is becoming very apple-ish. Samsung is also very slow with their updates. it is shipping with Marshmallow, I think. Without root, and a locked bootloader, you have to wait for Samsung/T-mobile to release Nougat.
Probably will be switching. My V10 has been acting crazy since the MM update. It freezes randomly, feels like its burning my leg when I have it in my pocket, have had the battery drop from 100% to 90% in 15 minutes at times without the screen on, and random apps will crash one day then work fine the next. Never had problems with Lollipop.
Battery drain is ridiculous and there was a time in life I wanted root on all my phones but honestly its not a deal breaker anymore.
Honestly the Note 7 and the V220 both have me worried. I enjoy ad blocking. That in itself is high priority on my list. Im not heavily concerned about open bootloader, but root is a must. Samsung has recently been severely locking down their devices, but I think android 7.0 is gonna be worse with the system checks on boot. They were saying with a locked bootloader you phone "possibly" wont boot if it doesn't pass certain checks. I also remember 7.0 has the capability to uninstall malicious apps, no matter where the source came from. I don't know what they consider malicious, but I'm pretty sure the ad king, would file ad blocking under that category.
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Honestly the Note 7 and the V220 both have me worried. I enjoy ad blocking. That in itself is high priority on my list. Im not heavily concerned about open bootloader, but root is a must. Samsung has recently been severely locking down their devices, but I think android 7.0 is gonna be worse with the system checks on boot. They were saying with a locked bootloader you phone "possibly" wont boot if it doesn't pass certain checks. I also remember 7.0 has the capability to uninstall malicious apps, no matter where the source came from. I don't know what they consider malicious, but I'm pretty sure the ad king, would file ad blocking under that category.
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I myself is concerned with the future of handsets after all we buy these and we own them and we should have the right to root, unlock and modify our devices.
maxmotos said:
I myself is concerned with the future of handsets after all we buy these and we own them and we should have the right to root, unlock and modify our devices.
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Anything short of leasing a device, we should have the capability of unlocking the bootloader, similar to what HTC/Nexus has for their devices.
The Note 7 looks nice but is way too expensive!
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I know, i'm crazy, but i can't take it without root, i have note 8 jump on demand with t-mo so i can cancel anytime and return the device.
There is a guy locally selling a amazing silver u11 128gb\6gb that he owned for 6 weeks for 500$ locally, i checked it out already, it's pristine.
How do you guys feel about going from n8 to u11? am i crazy?
I had the 128/6gb U11. Couldn't wait to root it and install viperU. Unfortunately, with Verizon, due to carrier aggregation on big red's end had to be allowed which meant only lte band 13 for the mean time may NEVER happen.
Also, root on verizon network is VERY sketchy, as in randomly loosing signal which most times requires a clean install! I don't know if tmobile has any of those problems but that was the main reason I returned the U11.
Now, root on samsung is always a half @ssed work around (meaning no nandroid backups and unstable kernal). So I chose the note 8 with no intentions of rooting. It was scary joining the common folk but it isn't that bad.
I just started using samsung pay and I am impressed. The phone is nearly the same size (slightly taller) than the U11, but a noticeable difference in screen size. Samsung has come a long way, and some small features that I like are:
-Scrolling down screen shots
-allowing you to tie the volume buttons to media volume instead of ringer
-samsung gallery : htc abandoned gallery for google photos
-samsung internet I surprisingly like, eslecially with ad block extensions
-gear VR and google daydream support
-Countless other small customization options that once samsung never offered
-wireless charging (never knew what I was missing)
-the camera is great, I use that 2x zoom a lot
-last thing I can think of is the S pen.
I underestimated it. Never thought I'd use it much but for reading blueprints, being able to hover to zoom and write directly on them has all been extremely usefull
That's all that I can think of at the moment, but I have been pleasantly surprised how much I like this phone without root over the U11.
(squeeze for flashlight when the phone is off was a great gimmick that ill miss and without xposed I cant set the bixby button to flash light like I would like!)
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JohnHenryIron said:
I had the 128/6gb U11. Couldn't wait to root it and install viperU. Unfortunately, with Verizon, due to carrier aggregation on big red's end had to be allowed which meant only lte band 13 for the mean time may NEVER happen.
Also, root on verizon network is VERY sketchy, as in randomly loosing signal which most times requires a clean install! I don't know if tmobile has any of those problems but that was the main reason I returned the U11.
Now, root on samsung is always a half @ssed work around (meaning no nandroid backups and unstable kernal). So I chose the note 8 with no intentions of rooting. It was scary joining the common folk but it isn't that bad.
I just started using samsung pay and I am impressed. The phone is nearly the same size (slightly taller) than the U11, but a noticeable difference in screen size. Samsung has come a long way, and some small features that I like are:
-Scrolling down screen shots
-allowing you to tie the volume buttons to media volume instead of ringer
-samsung gallery : htc abandoned gallery for google photos
-samsung internet I surprisingly like, eslecially with ad block extensions
-gear VR and google daydream support
-Countless other small customization options that once samsung never offered
-wireless charging (never knew what I was missing)
-the camera is great, I use that 2x zoom a lot
-last thing I can think of is the S pen.
I underestimated it. Never thought I'd use it much but for reading blueprints, being able to hover to zoom and write directly on them has all been extremely usefull
That's all that I can think of at the moment, but I have been pleasantly surprised how much I like this phone without root over the U11.
(squeeze for flashlight when the phone is off was a great gimmick that ill miss and without xposed I cant set the bixby button to flash light like I would like!)
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with root the following problems are resolved
"Scrolling down screen shots
-allowing you to tie the volume buttons to media volume instead of ringer
-samsung gallery : htc abandoned gallery for google photos"
I like samsung internet too, but there's no amount of goodness that can replace the ability of being an administrator of your phone, i'm really angry with samsung that they lockdown SN835 devices in NA but not exynos elsewhere, plus they don't sell the exynos directly to us so i have to go through shady non official ways to buy one and not even get the oem unlock option in the rom.
The camera is awesome too.
As for root there won't be any issues regarding t-mobile, unfortunately that's where verizon gets screwed with these phones.
Things I do with root\unlocked bootloader -
Ad away
Magisk modules including youtube adblock
better kernels
I just don't know what to do. :\
If i can buy an exynos version from samsung tomorrow this would be no argument
Keep in mind i came from OP3t to note 8 , so i'm not concerned about the size or bezels , since the bezels on the u11 is very similar to the op3t bezels
If it wasn't for Verizon, I'd of had root on the u11 and never of had anything to compare it too!
I always flashed venom roms for extreme customization.
It was always titanium backup, greenify, adaway / youtube adaway, chrome pie and full access to system files.
It just seems that keeping a fully functioning phone with root has become more and more of a hassle with each new phone, which is kind of disappointing.
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I had the 128/6gb U11. Couldn't wait to root it and install viperU. Unfortunately, with Verizon, due to carrier aggregation on big red's end had to be allowed which meant only lte band 13 for the mean time may NEVER happen.
Also, root on verizon network is VERY sketchy, as in randomly loosing signal which most times requires a clean install! I don't know if tmobile has any of those problems but that was the main reason I returned the U11.
Now, root on samsung is always a half @ssed work around (meaning no nandroid backups and unstable kernal). So I chose the note 8 with no intentions of rooting. It was scary joining the common folk but it isn't that bad.
I just started using samsung pay and I am impressed. The phone is nearly the same size (slightly taller) than the U11, but a noticeable difference in screen size. Samsung has come a long way, and some small features that I like are:
-Scrolling down screen shots
-allowing you to tie the volume buttons to media volume instead of ringer
-samsung gallery : htc abandoned gallery for google photos
-samsung internet I surprisingly like, eslecially with ad block extensions
-gear VR and google daydream support
-Countless other small customization options that once samsung never offered
-wireless charging (never knew what I was missing)
-the camera is great, I use that 2x zoom a lot
-last thing I can think of is the S pen.
I underestimated it. Never thought I'd use it much but for reading blueprints, being able to hover to zoom and write directly on them has all been extremely usefull
That's all that I can think of at the moment, but I have been pleasantly surprised how much I like this phone without root over the U11.
(squeeze for flashlight when the phone is off was a great gimmick that ill miss and without xposed I cant set the bixby button to flash light like I would like!)
Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
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I have root on the HTC U11 with Verizon with all bands working properly. As long as you insert a SIM that is already activated with advanced calling, none of these issues mentioned against Verizon are valid. Don't know for sure about carrier aggregation but I am getting sppeds of 90+mbps on band 2.
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If it wasn't for Verizon, I'd of had root on the u11 and never of had anything to compare it too!
I always flashed venom roms for extreme customization.
It was always titanium backup, greenify, adaway / youtube adaway, chrome pie and full access to system files.
It just seems that keeping a fully functioning phone with root has become more and more of a hassle with each new phone, which is kind of disappointing.
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agreed. i'm not thrilled of the prospect of having a handicapped root on N8 with 80% charging capabilities only
I wish it were that easy for me. I used an activated sim with advanced calling enabled already and was stuck on band 13. I didn't try root since there was a possibility I was sending it back. I just saw all the threads & posts dealing with Verizon. I actually experienced some weird buzzing noise that other people have posted about as well.
Not everyone has these issues. It has even been figured out that if you have stable root, take out the sim before any root related reboots such as updating the hosts file otherwise you could end up with the vanashing signal issue and have to do a factory reset to fix.
I assume in time this will all be ironed out but it was too expensive for a "wait & see".
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JohnHenryIron said:
I wish it were that easy for me. I used an activated sim with advanced calling enabled already and was stuck on band 13. I didn't try root since there was a possibility I was sending it back. I just saw all the threads & posts dealing with Verizon. I actually experienced some weird buzzing noise that other people have posted about as well.
Not everyone has these issues. It has even been figured out that if you have stable root, take out the sim before any root related reboots such as updating the hosts file otherwise you could end up with the vanashing signal issue and have to do a factory reset to fix.
I assume in time this will all be ironed out but it was too expensive for a "wait & see".
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tbh, having worked at big red for 10 years @ the NRB, it sounds like you are simply having provisioning issues. Root plays no part in network provisioning unless RIL files were messed with (not common these days anymore).
I tried note 8
Wow sound is ****
Performance is **** besides u11
But dual camera is great
I love bokeh effects ❤
JohnHenryIron said:
I wish it were that easy for me. I used an activated sim with advanced calling enabled already and was stuck on band 13. I didn't try root since there was a possibility I was sending it back. I just saw all the threads & posts dealing with Verizon. I actually experienced some weird buzzing noise that other people have posted about as well.
Not everyone has these issues. It has even been figured out that if you have stable root, take out the sim before any root related reboots such as updating the hosts file otherwise you could end up with the vanashing signal issue and have to do a factory reset to fix.
I assume in time this will all be ironed out but it was too expensive for a "wait & see".
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Actually if you root the U11 on Verizon and open network signal guru it activates all the bands to work properly.
masri1987 said:
I know, i'm crazy, but i can't take it without root, i have note 8 jump on demand with t-mo so i can cancel anytime and return the device.
There is a guy locally selling a amazing silver u11 128gb\6gb that he owned for 6 weeks for 500$ locally, i checked it out already, it's pristine.
How do you guys feel about going from n8 to u11? am i crazy?
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Not a great idea but it's your right and money. So please yourself...
If you do decide to switch the U11, please let us know your thoughts.
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masri1987 said:
agreed. i'm not thrilled of the prospect of having a handicapped root on N8 with 80% charging capabilities only
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There's more to the limited root with samsungs than 80% charging. I came to the u11 from a Galaxy S 7 Edge. There was a similar root which required the use of an engineering bootloader which i believe is similar to the Note 8 root. It made the phone almost unuseable from a performance standpoint. There were tweaks that came out which would speed things up for a while but after a week or two the thing would be so sluggish i ended up canning the root and running stock. It was unbearable.
I've been a long time HTC guy and went to Samsung Galaxy S6 over the One m9, the camera was incredible. I think the Galaxy s7 was actually a step down in terms of image quality over the s6 (they went from 16 megapixels to 12) My sister has the s8 and it's a nice phone, but i prefer htc because of Viper and like the OP said, they squeeze for flashlight and camera are actually something i use every day.
Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in since i had awful experiences with the wonky root on the S 7 Edge.
rom116 said:
There's more to the limited root with samsungs than 80% charging. I came to the u11 from a Galaxy S 7 Edge. There was a similar root which required the use of an engineering bootloader which i believe is similar to the Note 8 root. It made the phone almost unuseable from a performance standpoint. There were tweaks that came out which would speed things up for a while but after a week or two the thing would be so sluggish i ended up canning the root and running stock. It was unbearable.
I've been a long time HTC guy and went to Samsung Galaxy S6 over the One m9, the camera was incredible. I think the Galaxy s7 was actually a step down in terms of image quality over the s6 (they went from 16 megapixels to 12) My sister has the s8 and it's a nice phone, but i prefer htc because of Viper and like the OP said, they squeeze for flashlight and camera are actually something i use every day.
Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in since i had awful experiences with the wonky root on the S 7 Edge.
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thank you for this, I needed this personal background-
Irony is the pixel 2 xl now has the feature that was hated on the most regarding the htc u11
Hi, if i didn't post that in the right section feel free to tell me and move it at the right place.
I have a stock S7 (sm-g930w8) for two years and it's time to choose if I replace it or not (if not I get a new phone for my daughter).
I still love my S7 and for what I've found the difference between him and the S9 are not that big. Other phone I could get are the P20 pro, pixel 3 LG G7 and thé Sony Xperia XZ1.
My S7 is in a otterbox symmetry and a glass screen protector and I never managed to break it (i drop it a couple of times a week) and I'm afraid that a newer phone will be less sturdy.
Should I keep it for another two years or replace it?
osotech said:
Hi, if i didn't post that in the right section feel free to tell me and move it at the right place.
I have a stock S7 (sm-g930w8) for two years and it's time to choose if I replace it or not (if not I get a new phone for my daughter).
I still love my S7 and for what I've found the difference between him and the S9 are not that big. Other phone I could get are the P20 pro, pixel 3 LG G7 and thé Sony Xperia XZ1.
My S7 is in a otterbox symmetry and a glass screen protector and I never managed to break it (i drop it a couple of times a week) and I'm afraid that a newer phone will be less sturdy.
Should I keep it for another two years or replace it?
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S7 is still a great phone and has a powerful processor in it wich can go upto 2.6 ghz on 2 cores. (Exynos). Bigger phones like the s9 may be more vulnerable to glass damage because of the size. Id prefer to keep it as long its stable
osotech said:
Hi, if i didn't post that in the right section feel free to tell me and move it at the right place.
I have a stock S7 (sm-g930w8) for two years and it's time to choose if I replace it or not (if not I get a new phone for my daughter).
I still love my S7 and for what I've found the difference between him and the S9 are not that big. Other phone I could get are the P20 pro, pixel 3 LG G7 and thé Sony Xperia XZ1.
My S7 is in a otterbox symmetry and a glass screen protector and I never managed to break it (i drop it a couple of times a week) and I'm afraid that a newer phone will be less sturdy.
Should I keep it for another two years or replace it?
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There is nothing and I mean NOTHING extraordinary about any device after Sammy 6 period! It's just "oh look at me with my new $1000 phone that does everything my old one did".
So keep the S7, I'm waiting for holographic interface that's when I'll upgrade when I can see a hologram of the person I'm speaking to. Now that will be amazing.
Stick with S7. At least 1 year more until the release of s11, a more refined phone. S10 has bugs and downsides here and there.
In the meantime we'll enjoy new pie roms, because Android pie has been released for note 7 Fe, that has the same hardware, therefore a s10 port will soon come out. It's enough to survive one year more until a more satisfactory phone will be released.
user154 said:
Im sorry if this is a little off topic to this thread,
Whats the deal with selling these on after knox is tripped, my partner has an s7 and she would like to try some custom roms but I havent really kept up with samsung development since s6.
I know obviously with a completely stock rom where knox had been tripped certain things wont work (most notably banking apps) obviously can't really sell a phone on that isnt actually fully working. Basically im looking for a way that I can return the phone to one that looks and acts like stock with the exceptions of TWRP still installed and knox showing as tripped in DL mode
I can see there are a few kernels which allow these features to be used on a device where knox is tripped, my questions are as follows:
1: Are any of these kernels stable enough that the device could be sold on with one installed, that would provide an experience close to stock in terms of reliability and stability?
2: Would the device display any warning message on boot about knox being tripped? My s5 for example would have yellow text on boot that said something about the warranty bit being tripped
3: I assume that it would be ok to unpack system.img from stock firmware then repack as a flashable zip (this would be much easier way to return to stock, and still use a custom kernel)
Morally I know this is a bit sketchy. I dont want to con anyone I just dont expect average joe bloggs that buys this device on our local facebook selling page to have any clue about custom roms/kernels/recoveries. Really just want to play with some custom roms, and then be able to sell the phone on, without anyone having any problems using it.
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Your right it's wrong to sell a phone where certain apps will no longer function.
When knox is tripped there's no warning on boot with the S7 only the counter which shows when you boot into download mode so it's not difficult to find out if know is tripped or not. Of course no warranty or service with a know tripped phone from Sammy Sung either.
Samsung pay and lots of banking apps won't run as has been reported on the forum with knox tripped. However some of my banking apps work and some don't, it depends how the banking app makes a secure connection to it's severs.
So aside from them issues there are custom stock firmware where you can flash a custom kernal (Moro kernal really stable with stock) and the phone will look and feel like stock, The Galaxy Project is one such ROM. There are others in the rom section.
In comparison to earlier phone and dependant on Exynos (easy) or Qualcomm (nightmare) hardware, the S7 is no more difficult than the S6,5,4,3,2,1 to mess about with. Straight forward to root and TWRP (Exynos) little bit more difficult on Qualcom. But if you going o sell it i'd list it with knox tripped because they're going for not much anyway, $100 - 150.
user154 said:
Yes I most certainly would not want to sell a device to someone that wasn't 100% functional, this is why I wanted to get some clarification before going ahead and flashing TWRP, not being able to sell the device without feeling I've screwed someone over is a deal breaker (me and my parner use second hand phones and once or twice a year try and sell whatever we have at the higher end of the price range they are going for while simultaneously picking up a newer model at the lower end of the price range so we can upgrade without having to spend too much out)
I dont think I explained very well in my first post, I dont want to hide the fact that knox has been tripped as such. I dont think the fact knox has been tripped is too much of an issue as long as everything works, the phone is well out of warranty and for what samsung would want to repair it wouldnt really be worth sending it to them, especiallybgiven how cheap you can pick up a decent condition 2nd hand one, about £100 here in the uk.
I just think that seeing as whoever buys it will likely not understand anything about custom roms, or even know such a thing exists, a red/yellow warning text on boot that they dont understand would most likely completely put them off buying it. However knox being displayed as void in DL mode probabaly wouldnt be so off putting to someone that doesn't understand this sort of thing and just wants a phone that works.
So is there no custom kernel that will allow knox dependent apps to work? I had a look around the forum and a few claimed to have this feature, maybe I have misunderstood. Usually I would find out about different roms and kernels by flashing them myself and seeing how I got on with them. Sadly in this case dont really have that luxury without knowing that it would be able to be put back to a state where it was completely functional, and useable by someone that has no knowledge of this sort of thing without them running into any stability or performance issues. This is more what I'm trying to find out, whether the device can be put back to this state before I go ahead and flash TWRP. Sorry, I forgot to mention this is the exynos variant I'm talking about
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With an S7 the knox trip is an eMMC so it's hardware trip not software which makes it very difficult to get around. When the S7 boots it looks at a firmware file on the boot image before it does anything else to see the knox status. I've seen people claiming to have got Sam Pay working on a knox tripped device but it's very difficult to understand how they've done it and i'm not convinced it's possible myself.
With regards to flashing back to stock, You can always flash the S7 back to stock no matter what you do to it as long as you have Odin and Oreo firmware, so yeah go ahead and install what you want, mess around with kernals, try everything just make sure FRP lock is turned off before doing anything.
osotech said:
Hi, if i didn't post that in the right section feel free to tell me and move it at the right place.
I have a stock S7 (sm-g930w8) for two years and it's time to choose if I replace it or not (if not I get a new phone for my daughter).
I still love my S7 and for what I've found the difference between him and the S9 are not that big. Other phone I could get are the P20 pro, pixel 3 LG G7 and thé Sony Xperia XZ1.
My S7 is in a otterbox symmetry and a glass screen protector and I never managed to break it (i drop it a couple of times a week) and I'm afraid that a newer phone will be less sturdy.
Should I keep it for another two years or replace it?
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in the end, its up to you, but it cannot go without saying that the difference in phone has drastically decreased from the time of the galaxy S5 to the S9 than it was from the S to the S5. The change seems to be picking up speed again, so it may not be the wisest thing to upgrade now. The S7 is still a venerable beast. Hard to give ti up if your battery is still good. I rocked my S5 for almost 4 years, so i dont blame anyone for keeping their current handset if its still doing what they need it to.
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Yes I most certainly would not want to sell a device to someone that wasn't 100% functional, this is why I wanted to get some clarification before going ahead and flashing TWRP, not being able to sell the device without feeling I've screwed someone over is a deal breaker
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But what is 100% functional depends on your standpoint. I only buy 100% functional phones, but for me that means they must have unlocked bootloader. So I would gladly take any Samsung with Knox tripped or warranty void - because I would never be able to use it anyway and don't care. My safety and privacy has top priority for me - and convenience is up there as well. So if you want to be safe, just mention it in the sale description - the people who understand won't mind the least or not buy. The opposite is true though - if I want a phone and TWRP is/has been on it I can be sure it could work for me and I don't need to do stupid research if it can be unlocked.
For me it's a selling point!!! Don't worry - it's not "wear" on the phone. Bet hardly anyone is using that anyway, so 95% of people would never notice.