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Galaxy Note 4 or Huawei P8 Max?

Hi!,
I'm currently owner of Samsung Galaxy Note 4 and I'm thinking to switch to P8 Max ? Which one is better in your opinion? TW (lags, freezes, Samsungs bloatware, knox flag wnen rooting) and some Amoled issues (pink white, screen burn-in) are kinda annoying...
Cheers
QBANIN

QBANIN said:
Hi!,
I'm currently owner of Samsung Galaxy Note 4 and I'm thinking to switch to P8 Max ? Which one is better in your opinion? TW (lags, freezes, Samsungs bloatware, knox flag wnen rooting) and some Amoled issues (pink white, screen burn-in) are kinda annoying...
Cheers
QBANIN
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no bro just buy mate 8 it is way better than p8max in term off all
i had p8max and note 5
mate 8 is way better and faster and desgin is fantastic

Huawei has potential...but...
Here's the thing,
While Huawei was on to something with the P8Max, any Sony Z Ultra fan was salivating at the prospect/specs of this phone, the phone, much like the company, leaves you wanting.
-Lack of support, no true western development community...support for the phone is well, Chinese. Which is to be expected, given the intended market. But, there's no footing for it. No solid base of people looking to take risks to dev for it. Why? I have no clue.
-The not so premium device. Take your pick of what that means; mid tiered specs, bland UI (although the double tap screenshot is slick), average camera, average headphones, lack of accessory support, bland user forum experience.
This is a premium device in idea/thought. It is not a premium device in reality.
-It is still on 5.1. Let that sink in. This is Huawei's premium device, that is still sitting on 5.1. No I don't want to argue that the Note 4 and 5 were on 5.1 for a long time. Those phones were NOT marketed as premium devices. They were marketed as top business devices. The reviewers, fanboys, consumers tagged it as a premium device. It has premium device status indeed. However, the P8Max, is/was marketed as a premium device. Think about someone giving you VIP tickets to the Playboy mansion. You're stoked and excited to meet Heff, the pool, the...well everything V.I.P. but when you get there you were actually given VIP passes to sideline sidewalk area where you get to see the real VIPs drive into the mansion. That's what Huawei did here.
The phone is a great one off idea that Huawei took a chance on but fell flat by not pushing it as a device worth choosing over an iPhone, Note 4,5 or S6 and providing the reasons why. The VIP program is laughable. As a result the phone was more of a gimmick than a serious piece of hardware. People talk about how huge it is and how dumb people look while making calls from it, they never want the specs, because well who cares. Then there are the cliche joke, you compensating for something guy? You can't read the screen on a regular phone?
It was more of the same, its just like its sibling, the P8 which has the better selfie camera no (because folks just look at numbers.) The Ascend Mate 7 was a healthy compromise/choice over this and its an older stable mate.
So to wrap up. Your Note 4, I had a Note 4 SE 910U, has better specs, better screen, removable battery, better camera, better supports, easier rooting, actual ROM development community, long list of accessory supports, better band support, forums and the list goes on....
The P8Max is a bloody amazing root for Huawei device road map but when you have nothing to compare it to it comes up short and miserably so when you compare it to the other flagships available.
IMHO, stick to a Note.
Huawei 6.8" gimmick is near the end of the course. There marketing team sucks and they have no plans to change their business to compete with Apple and Samsung on the Jailbreak, ROM markets.
Cheers.
As for the Mate 8. Same problem, lack of community. The specs are great if you just want the phone as is and don't plan to do anything but make calls and surf the web. But you're here. Seeing that, you want ROMs and control over customizing your phones.
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rowihel2012 said:
no bro just buy mate 8 it is way better than p8max in term off all
i had p8max and note 5
mate 8 is way better and faster and desgin is fantastic
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Can you elaborate please...
How is it faster that the Note 5 and P8Max? Faster to game on? Edit videos? Music? Snap pictures? Type on?
How is better? What does it do better?
Is there something different that we may not know yet or can read on the internet?
Not to be rude but I ordered the Mate 8 and LeTV Max and the old LeTV Max blew the Mate 8 out of the water gaming, video editing on device, and in almost every other department except battery life.
Curious and looking forward to your reply.
Cheers.

A bit underwhelmed

I'm not sure I understand the initial media plaudits from yesterday's unveiling.
With the latest flagship phones so far released or announced, I feel this is very much a step backwards from the competition (though, rather a smaller step forward than everyone else)
Realistically, this is a most minor iteration. We have the obligatory upgrade to the latest Qualcomm flagship SoC, then..?
We have more screen real estate, though at the expense of the notch and what, initially, appears to be a relatively minor upgrade to the camera, when compared to everyone else.
Aesthetically, I personally think, this is by far the best looking OnePlus device and it's really on a par with the competition here. I don't have an issue with the look of the notch, though having never used a phone with a notch, I may well hate it in use.
Elsewhere, it seems to lag behind. Of all the competition, i.e. those with the Snapdragon 845, OnePlus seems to be the least innovative in its use. Nowhere do they advertise use of its AI / ML capabilities. I'm not suggesting they go down the Asus route and call everything AI, but at least show your making use of it.
I appreciate that most 'AI' features are mostly marketing nonsense, but some of it appears very useful. We are seeing phones with translation apps using AI, rather than connecting to the web. We're seeing phones use AI to learn how people use the phone, and continually change how they manage apps memory and power usage to improve both performance and battery life.
OnePlus have not made any claims towards anything like this, so if they are doing these types of things, why keep quiet.
This 'season' most of the innovation has been centred on the use of AI with the camera and so far we've seen some very amazing results from that. The big hitter being the Huawei P20 pro, though an honorable mention goes to the Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S also, especially considering it's budget flagship price (very much in the OnePlus 6 range).
OnePlus have always lagged behind in the camera department. It seems one of its big sacrifices in order to keep the prices so low. Last year's 5T, the first OnePlus with a dual lens arrangement, was routinely savaged by critics and considered on par with the average mid range phones. So here is where many considered it needed to vastly improve.
Initial impressions do seem to suggest that great improvements have been made. However, it seems like they've really only arrived at the point other flagships were at last year. Considering the huge leap forward AI has taken in-phone photography this year, it seems that OnePlus still have a lot of work to do in order to catch up with the rest and, this year, still seem just as far behind.
Hardware wise, mobile technology is now very mature, so we're only ever, mostly, seeing small iterative improvements, so phone manufacturers can only offer iterative updates, from a hardware perspective. And this is what we've come to see over the last few years.
This year the majority of mobile innovation, on flagship models more so, has come through the use of AI, something OnePlus seems to have strangely overlooked with this latest release.
This year, this iteration feels like something I'd expect from a top end, mid range phone, not from something that used to sell itself as a flagship killer.
With some serious hard work from the OnePlus software team, much AI innovation seen elsewhere could be rolled out to the OnePlus 6 in the future, which would see it much more competitive in the flagship phone sector. Though, I imagine they'll wait until the 6T to implement such changes, which may give the competition too much of a head start.
I'm currently on my third OnePlus device but if I do decide to upgrade this year, I doubt I'll be spending my money on the OnePlus 6. I feel it's time for a change, Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S anyone?
Though if by some miracle I actually win the xda competition, I'll be happy to keep the phone for the foreseeable future

I think I'll wait to see what the Xiaomi Mi7/8 will bring

That's one way of looking at it.
I think it's a fine phone compared to the Galaxy S9+ which costs approx. €250,- more.
Yes, the Samsung has a higher screenresolution, probably a better camera and a slightly higher capacity battery, but I don't want to spend that extra money on that and get a lot of bloatware in the process.
Since I'm currently still using a Oneplus One, the 6 is awesome compared to that...

Was looking forward to the oneplus 6.
I was thinking to upgrade to either a Mi Mix 2s or OP6. But I don't see what the OP6 offers, besides non-IP rated waterproofing over the Mi Mix 2s.
Same innards.
Same price
Ugly notch
Better blacks?
Arguably worse camera on paper
No wireless charging.
I don't see why you would pick an OP6 over Mix 2s. Miui sucks (got a lot better though lately), but is very easy to replace with a custom ROM.
Disappointed

Compared to the S9 and £9+, yes it is a very fine phone and probably runs it very close.
Samsung was also seen this 'season' to only come to the table with an uninspired iterative update. I think that they've suffered in being one of the first this year to roll out the release and have been caught lagging by some of the other manufacturers that came later.
Last year the S8+ was considered to have one of the best cameras in a smart phone. This year, although the S9+ camera has improved, it is only a minor improvement. Huawei and Xiaomi through heavy use of AI, have made huge leaps forward compared to last year, probably equivalent to 5 years worth of normal iterative upgrades. They have also both brought some other, worthwhile, uses of AI with their latest phones to further push themselves ahead of the competition.
OnePlus originally made 2 big sacrifices in order to keep costs low. These were LCD screens and cameras that would be typically found on mid range phones. However they were pretty much alone in the budget flagship market back then and so this wasn't seen as a big issue. With the arrival of some competition they've had to adjust accordingly.
Last year OnePlus came with a fairly large price increase, which allowed them to switch to AMOLED screens, this year another price increase sees them moving to premium camera modules expected on flagship phones.
In terms of where OnePlus was with the One and even where they were last year, yes this is a great phone and a good improvement. But considering some of the innovations some of the competition has brought this year, they have lagged behind. I no longer believe they are the first choice for those looking at the budget flagship market. Xiaomi would appear to have taken on that title.
If Xiaomi would embrace the custom ROM community the same way OnePlus have, OnePlus could find themselves losing some loyal customers.

Firipu said:
I don't see why you would pick an OP6 over Mix 2s. Miui sucks (got a lot better though lately), but is very easy to replace with a custom ROM.
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Only once you've got passed Xiaomi's ridiculous 360 hour bootloader unlock shenanigans.

The OP6 is a compelling candidate because of good mfg support for bootloader unlock without voiding warranty, lots of dev support for root etc., 3.5mm audio jack, now packaged with water resistance, at a lower price given the top processor/RAM specs.
Camera and display of OP6 are apparently not the tip-top of the field, but in the thin upper range where discerning the minor differences between competitors is splitting hairs IMO.
AI is a flaky gimmick that causes more problems than it solves in all phones in 2018, IMO. Same goes for voice assistants and most of the other bells and whistles. I'm going to shut off all that on any phone I get. K.I.S.S.
Watching now for more to come on OP6... extensive reviews, puddle-dunking, bootloader unlock, TWRP, root, clip cases, audio quality impressions (3.5mm output), initial OS "bug" fixes...

Robbo.5000 said:
I'm not sure I understand the initial media plaudits from yesterday's unveiling.
With the latest flagship phones so far released or announced, I feel this is very much a step backwards from the competition (though, rather a smaller step forward than everyone else)
Realistically, this is a most minor iteration. We have the obligatory upgrade to the latest Qualcomm flagship SoC, then..?
We have more screen real estate, though at the expense of the notch and what, initially, appears to be a relatively minor upgrade to the camera, when compared to everyone else.
Aesthetically, I personally think, this is by far the best looking OnePlus device and it's really on a par with the competition here. I don't have an issue with the look of the notch, though having never used a phone with a notch, I may well hate it in use.
Elsewhere, it seems to lag behind. Of all the competition, i.e. those with the Snapdragon 845, OnePlus seems to be the least innovative in its use. Nowhere do they advertise use of its AI / ML capabilities. I'm not suggesting they go down the Asus route and call everything AI, but at least show your making use of it.
I appreciate that most 'AI' features are mostly marketing nonsense, but some of it appears very useful. We are seeing phones with translation apps using AI, rather than connecting to the web. We're seeing phones use AI to learn how people use the phone, and continually change how they manage apps memory and power usage to improve both performance and battery life.
OnePlus have not made any claims towards anything like this, so if they are doing these types of things, why keep quiet.
This 'season' most of the innovation has been centred on the use of AI with the camera and so far we've seen some very amazing results from that. The big hitter being the Huawei P20 pro, though an honorable mention goes to the Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S also, especially considering it's budget flagship price (very much in the OnePlus 6 range).
OnePlus have always lagged behind in the camera department. It seems one of its big sacrifices in order to keep the prices so low. Last year's 5T, the first OnePlus with a dual lens arrangement, was routinely savaged by critics and considered on par with the average mid range phones. So here is where many considered it needed to vastly improve.
Initial impressions do seem to suggest that great improvements have been made. However, it seems like they've really only arrived at the point other flagships were at last year. Considering the huge leap forward AI has taken in-phone photography this year, it seems that OnePlus still have a lot of work to do in order to catch up with the rest and, this year, still seem just as far behind.
Hardware wise, mobile technology is now very mature, so we're only ever, mostly, seeing small iterative improvements, so phone manufacturers can only offer iterative updates, from a hardware perspective. And this is what we've come to see over the last few years.
This year the majority of mobile innovation, on flagship models more so, has come through the use of AI, something OnePlus seems to have strangely overlooked with this latest release.
This year, this iteration feels like something I'd expect from a top end, mid range phone, not from something that used to sell itself as a flagship killer.
With some serious hard work from the OnePlus software team, much AI innovation seen elsewhere could be rolled out to the OnePlus 6 in the future, which would see it much more competitive in the flagship phone sector. Though, I imagine they'll wait until the 6T to implement such changes, which may give the competition too much of a head start.
I'm currently on my third OnePlus device but if I do decide to upgrade this year, I doubt I'll be spending my money on the OnePlus 6. I feel it's time for a change, Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S anyone?
Though if by some miracle I actually win the xda competition, I'll be happy to keep the phone for the foreseeable future
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I had similar feelings/experience. Ended up my story with oneplus by selling my op5t and bought a p20 pro. I won't buy the 6 and waiting for the 6t... Who knows. Also interested by the Mi Mix 2s.

hunhool said:
I had similar feelings/experience. Ended up my story with oneplus by selling my op5t and bought a p20 pro. I won't buy the 6 and waiting for the 6t... Who knows. Also interested by the Mi Mix 2s.
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What improvements hardware/software wise will the 6T bring do you think ?

SlyUK said:
What improvements hardware/software wise will the 6T bring do you think ?
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Maybe wireless charging..but I don't really know.

SlyUK said:
What improvements hardware/software wise will the 6T bring do you think ?
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Maybe better battery, 3D Face unlock, fingerprint sensor under display

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Maybe better battery, 3D Face unlock, fingerprint sensor under display
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The only realistic item you listed is the battery which I 100% agree at least by a few hundred Mah.
The fingerprint sensor under the display isn't ready yet. Samsung has been trying to get this tech for their galaxy phones buts its just not there.
Huawei has a 2k device that has it and all the reviews states its not good.

They definitely could have done something special to make more of a splash but i think this rounds they did it with design.
where they fall short for me is :
1) Camera
2) Display
3) USB standard.
4) Battery
1) i think they should have done a bit more with the cameras on paper like larger pixels maybe dualpixel AF i think the 16 MP should have matched last years pixel 2 specs but with 16 MP then for the 20MP fo a wider angle monocrom so a max of LG / huawei. But i wait on official review to see if the current setup works well
2) Display i think OP should go to QHD its about time but leave the resolution at 1080p via software like what sony does but nit picking again as one plus screens are not bad its a Samsung panel so. Just they could add a AOD option via software.
3)The main let down for me why is the USB C port still usb 2.0 standard every one else uses usb 3.0 or 3.1 to allow for faster file transfers. For a lunch focused on speed this is the major let down smh the rest i was being nit picky but the usb really.
4) one plus should really try to get in the 4000 mah and 3600 mah battery capacity ranges especially since they have dash charge and goodish battery life

hunhool said:
I had similar feelings/experience. Ended up my story with oneplus by selling my op5t and bought a p20 pro. I won't buy the 6 and waiting for the 6t... Who knows. Also interested by the Mi Mix 2s.
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I bought and returned a View 10 and P20 (non-pro) and neither would play my favorite game Hill Climb Racing 2. Major stutters so bad I couldn't even play. The P20 purchase was 9 weeks after the View. I was hoping it was a fluke deal. I did try a few other games that played well but I've also seen it mentioned that the 970 has GPU issues. I held off on the Mix 2s until the curtain was pulled back for the OP6 but I'm also on the fence. Think I'll order the 6 and if not wowed just return it and get the 2s.

Glass back on the 6
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Maybe wireless charging..but I don't really know.
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Now that theyve swapped from metal to glass backing, i think you are correct.
I find it weird that it wasnt included in the 6 though.

Robbo.5000 said:
Compared to the S9 and £9+, yes it is a very fine phone and probably runs it very close.
Samsung was also seen this 'season' to only come to the table with an uninspired iterative update. I think that they've suffered in being one of the first this year to roll out the release and have been caught lagging by some of the other manufacturers that came later.
Last year the S8+ was considered to have one of the best cameras in a smart phone. This year, although the S9+ camera has improved, it is only a minor improvement. Huawei and Xiaomi through heavy use of AI, have made huge leaps forward compared to last year, probably equivalent to 5 years worth of normal iterative upgrades. They have also both brought some other, worthwhile, uses of AI with their latest phones to further push themselves ahead of the competition.
OnePlus originally made 2 big sacrifices in order to keep costs low. These were LCD screens and cameras that would be typically found on mid range phones. However they were pretty much alone in the budget flagship market back then and so this wasn't seen as a big issue. With the arrival of some competition they've had to adjust accordingly.
Last year OnePlus came with a fairly large price increase, which allowed them to switch to AMOLED screens, this year another price increase sees them moving to premium camera modules expected on flagship phones.
In terms of where OnePlus was with the One and even where they were last year, yes this is a great phone and a good improvement. But considering some of the innovations some of the competition has brought this year, they have lagged behind. I no longer believe they are the first choice for those looking at the budget flagship market. Xiaomi would appear to have taken on that title.
If Xiaomi would embrace the custom ROM community the same way OnePlus have, OnePlus could find themselves losing some loyal customers.
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Well no offence, but the AI in mobiles at this point of time is a bit overrated... We have been seeing phones detect scenes and boost colors based on the scene long before companies started marketing it as AI (Coming from Honor View 10 User) , predictive app mamagement has also been a thing for a long time now.... Sure AI helps do it better... But does it really have to be marketed so much.. In reality my phone with AI doesnt feel as smooth as my friends Oneplus 5t, so im willing to bet oneplus 6 will be even smoother...
Since no one has posted any real camera samples and reviews as of now... I cant say much about it...
Onething that i did notice using the View 10 is the battery life. Its great.. Maybe thanks to the NPU, lets see if oneplus is doing something similar without making a fuss about it...
Overall it looks to be a very 2018 phone with all features te current flagships have - the AI advertising

Firipu said:
Was looking forward to the oneplus 6.
I was thinking to upgrade to either a Mi Mix 2s or OP6. But I don't see what the OP6 offers, besides non-IP rated waterproofing over the Mi Mix 2s.
Same innards.
Same price
Ugly notch
Better blacks?
Arguably worse camera on paper
No wireless charging.
I don't see why you would pick an OP6 over Mix 2s. Miui sucks (got a lot better though lately), but is very easy to replace with a custom ROM.
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Mi mix 2s disadvantages are ,very poor development & community...
If you like to modify your phone ..rooting , trying custom kernels , custom ROMs...etc.. then definitely OP6...
Otherwise Mix2s ..

I'm surprised by some of these comments. You're all asking for features that would clearly bump the price way up? I think you have unrealistic expectations - if you want it to be a s9, buy an s9 lol!
4k panel? Why? Your eyes can't see it, worse battery and more expensive.
The wireless charging, yes it's interesting, but doesn't matter at all to me. It's slower than with wires and I can't play on my phone whilst charging.
The camera is probably the only Biggie for me. I really hope it's low light shots are at least usable. I'm coming from my nexus 6P and this camera has served me very well - I hope the OnePlus 6 is better.
As for other things like the notch - I mean come on guys, if you disable it you can't even see it. With it there you get more screen size.
I think for the price it's a fantastic phone, and the software is a great experience compared to many other cheap alternatives!

cultofluna said:
Mi mix 2s disadvantages are ,very poor development & community...
If you like to modify your phone ..rooting , trying custom kernels , custom ROMs...etc.. then definitely OP6...
Otherwise Mix2s ..
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Not disagreeing, but I have a Mix 2 and redmi note 4. They both have a very active dev community. Really can't complain. Not as amazing as e.g. Nexus devices, but still very good imo. Can't comment on Oneplus dev community though.
And the 2s is a treble device.

wireless charging will always be asked for but hardly be undestood by me.
It's utterly slow compared to any charging solution on market.
Then you go on the charge for a day... it's somewhat convenient, but takes some more room in the phone internals, and on your desk with the charger.
The glass back is more for the awesome mobile network speeds and wifi reception.
As much as I hate glass for shattering, my experience always shown that metal chassis results in poor reception.
Well that's about it. I'm curiously waiting for the oneplus6 to arrive. It was a long time ago with the OnePlus One when I last saw how OnePlus fares...
I'm sure I'm gonna have the U12+ too as well this year, but I needed to check another qualcom rocketed device this year (no kirin or exynos for dev purposes on my end)

Which cell is just as good as the 20x mate?

What After adding to Huawei blacklist Trump that big screen cell phone would be good to buy. I love my 20x mate but let's be honest this will affect a lot to Huawei and q out your operating system and my OS) or is apps that has Google market are going to happen years it is possible that the factory only dedicated to continue selling in China and no longer internationally.

I honestly don't think there are any as good.
I didn't want to buy a Huawei because I'd much rather have an unlocked bootloader, but for me, the big screen, active pen, big battery, and fast cpu are too important to give up.
If you don't mind a slower CPU and no pen, but still want the huge screen, go with the Mi Max series.
If you want the pen, go with the Samsung Note 9.
I you just want an overall good phone, then there are plenty of other options depending on your priorities.
But I'd stick with the Mate 20 X. We shouldn't be affected that much. I'd guessing there will still be software updates for next year or so. I just bought mine 2 weeks ago and don't regret it at all.

I want a mate 20x another brand y :laugh:

Cmon, u really run already.
All will be good again in one way or another [emoji1787][emoji23]

ZenFone 6!! Looks promising.

Actually i would go for zenfone as first choice, then mi max and in last place this could be samsung note series, depends on what battery will be in 10 release.

I'm thinking about the Oppo Reno 10x Zoom, nice looking phone with full flat screen/no notch, camera upgrade or the Nubia Red Magic 3 with a 90Hz screen and also a 5000mAh battery. I now that that both are 6.65 inch and smaller then the Mate 20 X, but i hide the notch from the begin, so i think the difference wil not be huge.
The ZenFone 6 is a no go for me, because it doesn't have a amoled screen. I really don't want a new phone without it.

robsmith11 said:
I honestly don't think there are any as good.
I didn't want to buy a Huawei because I'd much rather have an unlocked bootloader, but for me, the big screen, active pen, big battery, and fast cpu are too important to give up.
If you don't mind a slower CPU and no pen, but still want the huge screen, go with the Mi Max series.
If you want the pen, go with the Samsung Note 9.
I you just want an overall good phone, then there are plenty of other options depending on your priorities.
But I'd stick with the Mate 20 X. We shouldn't be affected that much. I'd guessing there will still be software updates for next year or so. I just bought mine 2 weeks ago and don't regret it at all.
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Yeah I am in the same boat...I mean already the Mate 20 x looks like a Hobbit compared to where I was coming from mediapad X2 and Sony Z3 Tablet Compact so I am having a hard time adjusting to the much smaller size but of course, the hardware itself is WAY above both of those phablets I had before.

All of these other phones are much narrower and smaller than the 20 X. A friend of mine wanted to try the OP7 Pro and we went to T-Mobile yesterday and he bought one to use along side his 20 X but after a day he said it's probably going back as it's just way too small. The camera isn't as good and the battery life isn't even close to the 20 X. My advice would be to keep the 20 X until another manufacturer decides to make a phone as large as the 20 X.

ajsmsg78 said:
All of these other phones are much narrower and smaller than the 20 X. A friend of mine wanted to try the OP7 Pro and we went to T-Mobile yesterday and he bought one to use along side his 20 X but after a day he said it's probably going back as it's just way too small. The camera isn't as good and the battery life isn't even close to the 20 X. My advice would be to keep the 20 X until another manufacturer decides to make a phone as large as the 20 X.
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But the OP7 Pro looks smaller because it has curved glass, what i really don't like.

I still think it's all going to blow over and in a few months the wotsit in a wig and china will come to some sort of agreement, somewhat annoying that Donald making a decision like this affects us non Americans!
But, if the worst happened, as long as the play store etc was ok then I'd probably just carry on and keep using the Mate 20 X, Android P works fine for me so I can live with the phone staying as it is for another 12 months or so.
The only tempting part will be when the Pixel 4 and Note 10 are released and seeing what they are bringing with them, but they'd have to offer something ridiculously special which i doubt they will do

WhySoSeriousJoKer said:
But the OP7 Pro looks smaller because it has curved glass, what i really don't like.
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The OP7 Pro also has a 19.5:9 aspect ratio which is skinnier than the Mate 20 X's 18.7:9 and the crappy curved glass doesn't help. It sucks with phones when you live in the US. Not a lot of Global devices support all the US LTE bands.

Hi guys,
What other phone is just as good as the 20x ?
Answer is really simple : NONE.
Please don't get me wrong : I am by no means a Huawei/Honor fan.
Quite the opposite...
But let's face it : what other manufacturer offer a display that is close or above 7" ?
Answer here is really simple : there are only 2.5 manufacturers doing this :
- Xiaomi with the mi Max 3 ;
- Honor with the Note 10 and 8x Max ;
- Huawei with the Mate 20x.
Compare the 20x with the mi Max 3 and the Honor 8x max is of course not a question. They're simply not playing in the same league.
One may say whatever he wants about the Kirin SoC, but comparing a Kirin 980 with e snapdragon 636 is just not fair.
And comparing an IPS display with an OLED one isn't a fair comparison either.
So that leaves the Honor Note 10.
But it may have the same issues as Huawei. about Android.
And to make things clear : the developlment of Android has been halted to Huawei.
But :
- that doesn't mean that the past is getting rid off ; so if the phone is working right now, it will continue to work right after...
- Huawei still has access to the free source aosp and has enough power to continue to offer some updates based on that. And honestly : who is buying Huawei for the frequent updates ? You want a phone that is updated constantly ? There's only one manufacturer to go : Xiaomi... monthly updates for all their phones.
Just my own thoughts and expressing a personal opinion. I don't try to force my views on this upon any member of this community. So please, do not flame me if you disagree...
Regards.

I had all 4 phones, now i only have the M20X which is so much better the the other 3.
Then comes Note 10, Mi max 3 and 8X max.
And im satisfied as it is, so i can live with it 1 year more if.
I just hope Ark OS soon will be released, im ready to support that vs Trump/US/Google/Android no matter what. This fake president shall not decide my choice of phone.

Even if I am upset about Huawei system update policies, I've never been so comfortable with a phone before (well, maybe the Ascend Mate 7).
- The REAL dual speakers are incredibly outstanding. My wife ditched the iPad Mini-bluetooth speaker pair to start watching anything video-related on my 20X with me. We are really impressed.
- Speaking of multimedia, the screen is simply gorgeous.
- I hadn't ANY issue with ANY game. Period. I know the 855 is all around the news today, but this Kirin is nowhere behind. It flies.
- Calls are loud and crisp, seomthing which is really important for me.
- We have an LG Smart TV with webOS. It took me like 1 minute to launch the desktop from the 20X. I've tested it a couple of times, but I think this feature is something I will start using more frequently in the future, for sure.
- One of the best cameras around, even in night mode. No, no GCam needed, it does its work effortlessly and fluidly, something every frigging flagship camera should do (and not every one of them do).
Even if I only get security patches for the rest of its life, I'm keeping this beauty for a LONG time.

I also love the speakers, what phone has two real speakers? Mostly the second speaker is the call speaker now and that's sounds bad. The same with the IR blaster, what new phone has that?
I wish that 5G version was a nice upgrade (WQHD+ screen, higher ppi, 90hz, under–screen fingerprint, more ram/storage, no notch, more zoom camera), but it looks more like a downgrade.
https://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_mate_20_x_5g_bags_3c_certification_in_china-news-37546.php

Oukitel K9 7.12" with 6000mAH battery
I have this device
looks like a 20x clone minus some of the polish-not as fast not as loud but am sure can be improved a lot
has all US bands like 20x so works great here
stock Android 9
I got the SP flash tool flashable ROM
attached are the ROM contents
wonder if anyone could take up this for development
I picked it up from AliExpress for $179
Great great battery life better than 20x imo (but then performance is a price you pay-could be the Mediatek versus Kirin and just s/w ui polish missing)
EDIT it does have OEM bootloader unlocker option that you can choose and set active
not tried it yet-maybe it is a simple fastboot unlocker command without code (don't know untl I try or I might ask the company contacts who sent me the ROM and instructions etc)

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Mediatek versus Kirin and just s/w ui polish missing)
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Lmao as soon as I saw mediatek, instant turn off for me
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Lmao as soon as I saw mediatek, instant turn off for me
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Lmao as soon as I saw mediatek, instant turn off for me
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good you got a laugh from the wrong end he he
for calls, sms, mms, internet and most apps same result for 1/3rd the price
the 0.3 cumulative seconds saved over time did not change my life (doubt changes anyone's in reality)
definitely the 20x feels better no doubt having used both
asked a serious question and posed facts without embellishment
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I had all 4 phones, now i only have the M20X which is so much better the the other 3.
Then comes Note 10, Mi max 3 and 8X max.
And im satisfied as it is, so i can live with it 1 year more if.
I just hope Ark OS soon will be released, im ready to support that vs Trump/US/Google/Android no matter what. This fake president shall not decide my choice of phone.
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the mi max 3 imo was the best among the lot and I liked it more than the 20x ...the lack of network bands support (only 4 and 5 for Tmobile and ATT, and ATT does not even broadcast on 4 in my state, 5 is very spotty-so it was mostly on 3g or umts) otherwise mi max 3 with miui candy was the best also from balance, weight and feel standpoint
too bad no mi max 4 and mi mix 4 will never get a 6.9 variant
it seems to me that the OEMs are walking away from the large screens
why? 8x max came in the 7.2" first that the mate 20x eventually got
now 9x max is only coming in the 6.59" (as is the 9x)
then you have Xiaomi not doing the max 4
so that tells me the 6.9 to 7.2 era is done or on a pause for now
instead get 6.6 and 6.7 super skinny phones purporting to be large screen phones when they are not due to the elongated aspect ratios

Unfortunately true, aspect 19.5x9 or new 20x9 is killing size, 6.7inch samsung a70 or op 7 pro have real size of old 16x9 phone 6 inch. This is nothing.
I think also that they kill 7 inch products to make space for foldable phones which costs few times more...
But still I hope Huawei will make 30x! Not just hope, but really think it is real.

Does anybody want the greatest and latest ?

With the OnePlus 7T Pro coming soon.
Our device was released 6 months ago and to me it seems insane, for just a minor update.
But I wonder if some people do upgrade every six months.
I know it is a little sad and irritating not to have latest device, but really even if I had an extra $500 because every six months I doubt I notice any difference.
It would be a net $500 because I can sell my current device even still with such a minor update I can wait.
Smart phones you can never have that new device feeling long.... next week there will be something just a bit newer and faster.

I probably won't get the 7T but I'll definitely be keeping an eye out on the Pixel 4. Soli aside, the device looks promising (thank goodness that notch is gone)

It's bad enough that we have to deal with Google because of Android and services... Would never buy a Google piece of hardware.

AstroDigital said:
With the OnePlus 7T Pro coming soon.
Our device was released 6 months ago and to me it seems insane, for just a minor update.
But I wonder if some people do upgrade every six months.
I know it is a little sad and irritating not to have latest device, but really even if I had an extra $500 because every six months I doubt I notice any difference.
It would be a net $500 because I can sell my current device even still with such a minor update I can wait.
Smart phones you can never have that new device feeling long.... next week there will be something just a bit newer and faster.
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I upgrade from the OP6 to the 6T then to the 7 Pro. I will skip the 7T pro since the update is just too small.

Not really much of a update. My 7Pro still Rock's!

Saw the new OnePlus 7T Pro specs, if they're true, the only difference is the new Snapdragon 855+, which is just minor overclocked version. So no reason to upgrade. They say the camera has an improved macro mode but I doubt that that is more than a small software gimmick.

I'll wait to see what the OP8 brings and maybe the pixel 4 xl. That chin though in 2019

Pretty much the only let down with the OP7 Pro is the wide angle and telephoto lenses are ****. I'll wait for the OP8 Pro. Hopefully we will get periscope zoom lens and 4k 60fps video capture on the wide angle. I actually like the pop up camera on the OP7 Pro, I hope they keep it for next year... If they follow Oppo's shoes then they will try adopt an In display camera..Which will suck.

OPPO unveiled the 65w charging tech. And charged a 4000mah phone in 25 minutes. Hopefully OP inherit that on the Oneplus 8

Went from pixel 2 xl to 7 pro. Only thing I miss is the camera.

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Doesnt matter if the notch is gone when it has a whole airport at the top lol! IT just looks like the non 3 XL and Google should really hire a different design team. We're in 2019 and not 2017 lol

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Doesnt matter if the notch is gone when it has a whole airport at the top lol! IT just looks like the non 3 XL and Google should really hire a different design team. We're in 2019 and not 2017 lol
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Yeah the design still isn't going to win any awards, but I'd still way rather have a bezel than a notch. I hate notches lol

I only buy the regular OnePlus phones... OP5, OP6 now the OP7 Pro. The reason is simple, when I get the phone in May I have the latest SoC (SD855 in this case) for the next year. The T varients are minor tweaks to the regular phones launched in the first half of the year. Why would I buy a phone when in 6 months will have an outdated SoC? This way I buy the phone in May and have the latest for a years time and not 6 months.
And don't go try spouting off about the 7T Pro will have the SD855+. That is just an overclocked 855. You will not see ANY real life performance increases.

If they would flatten out the curve screen more on the Tpro then, I'll go for it. The light reflection on the sides on the 7pro is very annoying.

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If they would flatten out the curve screen more on the Tpro then, I'll go for it. The light reflection on the sides on the 7pro is very annoying.
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I went from an Essential PH1 to the 6T then to the 7 Pro.
No point for the 7T to 7T Pro for me.
I'll wait for the 8 pro or 8T Pro. SD865 and other updates.
I upgrade phone on processor cycles.
So the SD855+ in the newer devices is nothing more than a SD855 clocked faster than the current device.

What are oppo like for firmware updates / is camera amazing

I was going to move from.iphone to p40 pro however my banks have said they are unlikely to ever support the huawei system so am looking at something different than for example Samsung
I have seen the oppo find x2 pro and the headphones offer is definitely tempting me
I've never had an oppo before what are they like in firmware updates? Do you wait for ever or are they quite prompt for example what month security are you all on??
Also is the camera good (other option is the xperia 1 Mark 2 as I've a massive photographer)
Thanks in advance

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I was going to move from.iphone to p40 pro however my banks have said they are unlikely to ever support the huawei system so am looking at something different than for example Samsung
I have seen the oppo find x2 pro and the headphones offer is definitely tempting me
I've never had an oppo before what are they like in firmware updates? Do you wait for ever or are they quite prompt for example what month security are you all on??
Also is the camera good (other option is the xperia 1 Mark 2 as I've a massive photographer)
Thanks in advance
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My find x2 pro has the june security patch but i think other carriers already have the july update and with each security update they always have other things in the updates not just security patches like samsung do, also the camera in my opinion is better than samsung , samsung photos always seem quite grainy and the 120hz + QHD+ run at the same time unlike samsung and 1 billion colour display on the find x2 pro make things looks way smoother in terms of the colour spectrum/range.
Plus this phones charges up from 0 to 100 in like 35 mins.

Brilliant thank you as long as it's not months behind I'm happy...

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Brilliant thank you as long as it's not months behind I'm happy...
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The Find X2 Pro is fairly recent however I'm on the June security patch now which is the latest for my region, July incoming soon I believe.
Additionally this phone outclasses any Samsung on the market & will continue to do so even when the Note 20 comes out next month because Samsung cripple us with their lackluster Exynos chipsets.
Camera quality is amazing, I came from a Note 10+ to the Find X2 Pro and don't regret it whatsoever, the custom built sensor is outstanding and has amazing colour accuracy.
As for the display, 3K, 120hz, HDR certified, with 1 billion colours, & calibrated to perfection by Oppo, even outclassing the likes of the OnePlus 8 Pro.
Need I say more?

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The Find X2 Pro is fairly recent however I'm on the June security patch now which is the latest for my region, July incoming soon I believe.
Additionally this phone outclasses any Samsung on the market & will continue to do so even when the Note 20 comes out next month because Samsung cripple us with their lackluster Exynos chipsets.
Camera quality is amazing, I came from a Note 10+ to the Find X2 Pro and don't regret it whatsoever, the custom built sensor is outstanding and has amazing colour accuracy.
As for the display, 3K, 120hz, HDR certified, with 1 billion colours, & calibrated to perfection by Oppo, even outclassing the likes of the OnePlus 8 Pro.
Need I say more?
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You made it sound that good i want to buy another one lol

Hi I just recently returned the Xperia 1ii and decided to try the Oppo Find X2 Pro
First impressions have been positive. The camera does seem to be better than the Xperia and that is me using the Manuel modes with photo Pro on the Xperia
Screen is just as good and I like what Colour OS has built into its software.
Xperia had issues with video recording as it was causing a hissing sound so it was a big deal breaker.
Enjoying it so far and hope I will continue to do so

I read a few horror stories about the xperia 1 ii I loved the advance software for camera but rubbish front camera and also issues with software so glad have ordered the oppo one it's landing tomorrow can't wait

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I read a few horror stories about the xperia 1 ii I loved the advance software for camera but rubbish front camera and also issues with software so glad have ordered the oppo one it's landing tomorrow can't wait
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get some type of lens hood for it. it suffers a lot from lens flare

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get some type of lens hood for it. it suffers a lot from lens flare
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@mancuk29 bare in mind this could just be select devices, not a widespread issue

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@mancuk29 bare in mind this could just be select devices, not a widespread issue
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from the 100 telegram users that have the phone i'd say 80% have that and the other 20% don't know how to replicate it.
And customer support is the worst i've seen.
everything else is pretty good.

Is that on the Sony and not the oppo ? please tell me it's the sony

Oppo just released another update today A30, waiting on a download file or try and vpn it

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July security patch received this morning

Is that UK as I'm only showing June patch so far (updated this morning)

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Is that UK as I'm only showing June patch so far (updated this morning)
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Yes I'm on EE in the UK, if you haven't received it yet, others are reporting that using a VPN & setting it to Italy will find the update

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Yes I'm on EE in the UK, if you haven't received it yet, others are reporting that using a VPN & setting it to Italy will find the update
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Thanks that worked when I connect to Italy VPN.
I'm on O2 network