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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------What I have right now out of Doze are "Bluetooth MIDI Service", "Bluetooth Share", the "Clock" app and two other Clock apps.
I am not sure how effective is the method listed below after the last update. Stay tuned.
Also I think the current version of Facebook Messenger is draining too much battery.
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when I bought my Zenfone 3 ZE520KL, I was amazed by it's battery life. I could easily get around 8 hours of SOT in a single charge with moderate usage. My device was running Android Marshmallow 6.0 out of the box, but performance wasn't as good. On Nougat, performance is much better and faster, also I used to get some lags and frozen screen, the capacitive keys also sometimes froze when I was charging my phone, but now I don't get issues like that as often as before. Interface is so much more appealing and I love it.
But what about battery life? I started getting around 5 hours of SOT.. which is still good, but not really close to 8 hours. I thought a lot about these 3 hours that were missing so I decided to start investigating. I wanted to share my findings with you so maybe you would know something that could help.
It's been two weeks since I have been testing out different things. The apps I used to do my research are:
Carat. What I love about this app is the process list. It shows exactly which apps and system processes are running in the background, so I can control them very easily.
Greenify. Thanks to the Carat app, I can see which apps continue running in the background, so I can use Greenify to hibernate them after I'm done using them. (Examples: Youtube, Snapchat etc.). Also I bought the Donation Package, and unlocked the other modes using adb commands (my device is not rooted).
BetterBatteryStats. This app is usually used to detect wakelocks. I limited the Google Calendar App from syncing so it doesn't use too much battery in the background. This app is paid in Google Play but you can get it for free from here.
What I did to get better battery life:
I excluded the services, that were always running in the process list from the Carat App from Doze. Apparently, the new Doze in Nougat gives us permission to optimize more system processes and services than before, which can backfire - Doze starts trying to kill processes that can't be killed, and this results in consuming more battery juice than saving it.
How to enter Doze settings and make the following changes:
Go to "Settings" > Select "Battery" > Tap on the three dots at the upper-right corner > Select "Battery Optimization" > Select "All Apps" > Find and tap on the Apps/Services/Processes I have listed below > Select "Do not optimize". The other apps and services should stay optimized.
The apps, processes and services that I removed from Doze are:
Android Services Library
Android System
ASUS Calling Screen
Bluetooth MIDI Service
Bluetooth Share
Camera
Clock
com.android.smspush
com.asus.keyboard
com.asus.shim
com.qti.qualcomm.datastatusnotification
com.qualcomm.qti.tetherservice
org.codeaurora.bluetooth
org.codeaurora.ims
com.qualcomm.qcrilsgtunnel
ICESound Service
Mobile Manager
MobileManagerService
System UI
Telecom Service
Telephony Service
ZenUI Keyboard
ZenUI Launcher
Some other apps that I'm using: Do It Later, Greenify, Messages, Nova Launcher, Timely, Weather.
Please do a full charge to 100% afterwards and check if the battery still drains as quickly as before. Your feedback will be greatly appreciated.
I am already starting to see improvement in my battery life. I was losing around 2% on Stand By and battery was draining fast when I was using the phone, but now I lost 0% on Stand By overnight and 10% for 1 hour of SOT (before this I was losing 10% for 30 min. of SOT). I am still trying to figure out which services exactly are causing the drain, when they are being optimized. Maybe the services, included in the Android System? (Check them from Settings > Battery > Android System > Included Packages). I deleted Facebook and Twitter apps and started using them from Chrome (almost the same thing, I quickly got used to that). Please check the updates below for more info and share your opinion or advice in the comments so we can all reach a better experience with this amazing smartphone.
Thank you for reading!
Update1: 6h30min SOT with 30% left (917mAh, 35%), but I will have to charge now. I have been messing with Doze a lot, maybe I'll get more clean results later. Progress has been made though, at least with my device.
Update2: Something interesting - my J-Score with the Carat app before and after starting this experiment: http://i.imgur.com/Q8u6HBD.jpg
Update3: There is a battery drain when making voice calls - 226mAh (7%) were lost because of 43 minutes long talk time.
Results were worse after testing with the second list removed, although there wasn't much draining with the screen on: SOT - 5h20min for 70% of battery (752mAh, 20%).
Update4: com.android.phone appears as a wakelock at BBS (Wakeups:8). Also 2h30 SOT for 30% used battery (100-70%~408 mAh). I'm updating the list and trying again.
Please note that my phone is updated to the latest firmware WW_Phone-14.2020.1703.28-20170410.
Update5: com.android.phone is still an active wakelock (Wakeups:14), but SOT is 2h34min for 30% used battery (100-70%~343mAh). At 30% battery left, SOT is almost 6hrs(28%~787mAh), Device Idle is at 10% (291mAh). The MobileManagerService is causing way too many wakelocks and is probably the reason for the high Device Idle battery usage.
Update6: MobileManagerService is no longer showing as a frequent wakelock. com.android.phone (Telephony Service - Wakeups:9) and com.google.android.apps.messaging are the most persistent wakelocks, other than that battery life is amazing at the moment. SOT is 2h45min for 30% used battery (100-70%~366mAh). I also had 27 min of talk time (4%~145mAh). At 30% left, I have 6h33min of SOT (32%~912mAh). Device Idle is again at 10% (292mAh). We are ready for the final test.
Update7: The results are quite interesting. After removing com.qti.qualcomm.telephonyservice from Doze, com.android.phone stopped appearing as a frequent wakelock at first, but now, at 70% it has 16 wakeups. SOT is 2h22min (100-70%~318mAh), so it's not better. I'm going to try a few more changes.
Update 8: I posted it as a reply here.
Update 9: I shouldn't have put Task Manager out of Doze, I get so much better battery life now. The update is ready, check it here.
Good post, thank you for investigating this, please let us know if you find more stuff or what exactly is responsible for it and an easy way of fixing.
1noob said:
Good post, thank you for investigating this, please let us know if you find more stuff or what exactly is responsible for it and an easy way of fixing.
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Hello! Thank you for your reply. I'm so happy I could help others and myself with this thread, but I also need to know if you are also seeing any difference. Please check here regularly!
Also, I'm guessing that when you put your system processes and services in Doze, you also decrease their performance, which causes battery draining, as they try to run normally and do their work. Doze is trying to prevent them from doing that. This is my conclusion, but only results will show if I'm correct. If you own yourself a Zenfone 3, please feel free to report if you experience any changes using my method.
Thank you and have a nice day!
Hi, thank you for the post. I have a zenfone 3 here and will try your method.
I'm trying it on ze520kl with marschmallow, it seems working fine. :highfive:
Do you remove the first and second list from doze ? or ate testing with only the second list now?
Nice findings btw
pedromms86 said:
Do you remove the first and second list from doze ? or ate testing with only the second list now?
Nice findings btw
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I have removed everything from both of the lists. It's still early to say but no major battery drain is noticed for now. Thanks!
bibbomio said:
I'm trying it on ze520kl with marschmallow, it seems working fine. :highfive:
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Awesome! :good:
Thank you so much for this article. Well written as well. I have applied the changes and so far no issues (it has been 6 h is). Will report once I have more history
I remove the apps from doze, and can say it really improve battery (test for one day)
thanks !
@Blackrose110 any news improvements after update3 ?
New update is released via OTA (~500MB).
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@Blackrose110 any news improvements after update3 ?
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Too early to say, also I got a weird wakelock, and lost 2% overnight. I lost the results (100-90%) after a restart. Now I'm going to update my phone and start again.
I had 8% used up on 43 minutes of SOT, and 2% lost on voice calls (100 and something mAh). I went to bed with 92%, I guess the other 2% were lost on that wakelock and the clock wakelock. These 2% were lost on equal intervals.
It's going to take a while, I'm just using my device normally. I don't have time to be on my phone all the time, also the battery is harder to drain now. At this point, I'm just trying to get better results.
Cheers!
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@Blackrose110 any news improvements after update3 ?
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Check again tomorrow!
RobinRo said:
New update is released via OTA (~500MB).
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Updating...
I don't think it is a good ideea to change Doze settings for system services like com.qualcomm.* or telephony*.
In theory, these services should be compatible with operating system and they should work as designed. I would focus on third-party apps who doesn't work well on Nougat.
Anyway, is just an opinion and i'm looking forward for updates
ci6i said:
I don't think it is a good ideea to change Doze settings for system services like com.qualcomm.* or telephony*.
In theory, these services should be compatible with operating system and they should work as designed. I would focus on third-party apps who doesn't work well on Nougat.
Anyway, is just an opinion and i'm looking forward for updates
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Hello ci6i, I also agree with you, and that's why I excluded all of them from Doze when I first tried this out. At the moment, I removed only those system services, that run in the background all the time. My goal is to find the least amount of system services and processes, that are causing battery drain when the phone is in use.
I am not saying that you should do exactly what I did. It's best if you try out yourself on your own device what works and what doesn't.
I also have only excluded from Doze apps that I use daily. But everyone is using different apps and it depends only on the developers to update them.
You can download Carat for free from Google Play and check the process list, it's very useful. The app itself doesn't use any battery.
Good luck!
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I am not saying that you should do exactly what I did. It's best if you try out yourself on your own device what works and what doesn't.
I also have only excluded from Doze apps that I use daily. But everyone is using different apps and it depends only on the developers to update them.
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I agree with you and i really appreciate your work Yesterday I've installed Carat after i read your first post and today i did new OTA update and cleared cache partition. Let's see how it works in the next few days.
What should I do next, guys? Remove other com.qualcomm/com.android/com.asus services or remove just MobileManagerService from Doze? I'm thinking about the second one, I'm curious to see if ti makes any difference. I think the results from the first test were the best, and the MobileManagerService was out of Doze as far as I remember. Might as well try and see what happens.
It's a bit hard to drain the battery these days, so updates might not be fast. Patience is key!
Yeahh final test!! Looking forward to the result
Hey guys! Posted this on Reddit, and many people loved my guide and explanations, SO Posting this here and hope this helps everyone with issues about the battery etc.
After a few days of testing these are my tips to you guys, AND my experience how I got atleast better battery life to some extinct.
Now to the basic charging tip as some, and some not know. Charging between 30% to 80/90% is smart. Wears the battery much less than 0 to 100% for instance. Read this up further if you need, not gonna talk about this forever.
To the Nokia battery part. So first of all MANY users have reported Adaptive battery and auto-brightness are bugged and drains more than they should. Well this is true. DO NOT use adaptive battery if you experience bad battery life, and especially not auto-brightness. Why am I saying do not use it? Simple. It does the opposite, so is reported many others. I tested this carefully when sleeping to test the idle drain just by having the Android system installed and a few apps. I got a drain of around 10 to 13% through only 9 hours of sleeping. This is bad. However when adaptive battery turned off, no apps restricted I tested for many days and ended up with only a drain of 2 to 4% through those 9 hours. Will it help you? I dunno, but worked for many.
EVENWELL APPS. Usually bloatware. Only few apps from evenwell is needed for the OS to work. The powersaving g3 package from evenwell, which is a third party that Nokia has done some kind of deal with. The powersaving was suppose to help, but instead made things worse. Making alarms useless etc etc that has been mentioned on the forum. It kills apps even wehn whitelisted or when the phone was locked for a while.
Hook up the nokia on your pc and use adb. Uninstall this package, and almost all evenwell packages installed. Atleast powersaving g3 package, as it's known to drain. Most are bloatware, however you need to be careful not to delete the wrong packages, as they can only be restored by factory reset. Which packages to uninstall depends on your needs. Please remember to check on xda to find a guide on this, if not I will find it for you. This can help a lot just by using some of your time to remove stuff you might not need.
Turn off the aggressive 4g switch in developer settings. It will set 4g to always active, and you are better off just having it off. Should be called something like "Mobile data always active".
You got facebook? Well many has reported that facebook drains a lot, as it uses many services to communicate with the phone. I usually just use dolphin browser and have facebook logged in
Now for me I have these settings mentioned above, and I use my phone a lot, I get around 2 to 2,5 days of use of the phone just by doing these things. Uninstalling many evenwell packages helped a lot too. If none of these tips help you, then deleting caches can help. If not backup and factory reset the phone. If that does not work too, then it could just be the Pie updates being drainy for you. Hope this helps anyone ! Ask me if any questions!
Question: When turning off adaptive battery it keeps turning on after a while. Answer: have atleast 1 app restricted and adaptive battery on. From there turn it off and let the 1 app stay restricted (it really isn't). Now it should hopefully stay off.
Thanks for tips.
I have a request for you. Could you make a list of evenwell apps which are 100% safe to uninstall from N7+?
zax880 said:
Thanks for tips.
I have a request for you. Could you make a list of evenwell apps which are 100% safe to uninstall from N7+?
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No problem I actually have a guide i followed both explaining what you can and what you must NOT.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/general/general/nokia-2-apps-safe-to-delete-t3783158
it is for nokia 2 it says but its so to say the same for nokia 7 plus. Have a look, and let me know if issues!
I could't find 4G aggressive switch in developer settings
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I could't find 4G aggressive switch in developer settings
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top on screenshot
nexus723 said:
Hey guys! Posted this on Reddit, and many people loved my guide and explanations, SO Posting this here and hope this helps everyone with issues about the battery etc.
After a few days of testing these are my tips to you guys, AND my experience how I got atleast better battery life to some extinct.
Now to the basic charging tip as some, and some not know. Charging between 30% to 80/90% is smart. Wears the battery much less than 0 to 100% for instance. Read this up further if you need, not gonna talk about this forever.
To the Nokia battery part. So first of all MANY users have reported Adaptive battery and auto-brightness are bugged and drains more than they should. Well this is true. DO NOT use adaptive battery if you experience bad battery life, and especially not auto-brightness. Why am I saying do not use it? Simple. It does the opposite, so is reported many others. I tested this carefully when sleeping to test the idle drain just by having the Android system installed and a few apps. I got a drain of around 10 to 13% through only 9 hours of sleeping. This is bad. However when adaptive battery turned off, no apps restricted I tested for many days and ended up with only a drain of 2 to 4% through those 9 hours. Will it help you? I dunno, but worked for many.
EVENWELL APPS. Usually bloatware. Only few apps from evenwell is needed for the OS to work. The powersaving g3 package from evenwell, which is a third party that Nokia has done some kind of deal with. The powersaving was suppose to help, but instead made things worse. Making alarms useless etc etc that has been mentioned on the forum. It kills apps even wehn whitelisted or when the phone was locked for a while.
Hook up the nokia on your pc and use adb. Uninstall this package, and almost all evenwell packages installed. Atleast powersaving g3 package, as it's known to drain. Most are bloatware, however you need to be careful not to delete the wrong packages, as they can only be restored by factory reset. Which packages to uninstall depends on your needs. Please remember to check on xda to find a guide on this, if not I will find it for you. This can help a lot just by using some of your time to remove stuff you might not need.
Turn off the aggressive 4g switch in developer settings. It will set 4g to always active, and you are better off just having it off. Should be called something like "Mobile data always active".
You got facebook? Well many has reported that facebook drains a lot, as it uses many services to communicate with the phone. I usually just use dolphin browser and have facebook logged in
Now for me I have these settings mentioned above, and I use my phone a lot, I get around 2 to 2,5 days of use of the phone just by doing these things. Uninstalling many evenwell packages helped a lot too. If none of these tips help you, then deleting caches can help. If not backup and factory reset the phone. If that does not work too, then it could just be the Pie updates being drainy for you. Hope this helps anyone ! Ask me if any questions!
Question: When turning off adaptive battery it keeps turning on after a while. Answer: have atleast 1 app restricted and adaptive battery on. From there turn it off and let the 1 app stay restricted (it really isn't). Now it should hopefully stay off.
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Thanks for your effort to put this together.
I am not sure about Evenwell apps and I'll explain why:
- I did not uninstalled or blocked Evenwell app. What I did was to turn off battery saver (maybe it's the same thing?) And that improved battery life a lot.
- I am getting 2.5 - 3 days battery use for a full charge (100% charge - did this with every phone I had, never had an issue with battery).
- I do not have issues with alarms, fitness tracking, notifications, etc.
- I agree with disabling 4g always on - that helps a lot
- definitely agree with Facebook.
- adaptive battery is still on.
I am on Pie, December patch.
trveller72 said:
Thanks for your effort to put this together.
I am not sure about Evenwell apps and I'll explain why:
- I did not uninstalled or blocked Evenwell app. What I did was to turn off battery saver (maybe it's the same thing?) And that improved battery life a lot.
- I am getting 2.5 - 3 days battery use for a full charge (100% charge - did this with every phone I had, never had an issue with battery).
- I do not have issues with alarms, fitness tracking, notifications, etc.
- I agree with disabling 4g always on - that helps a lot
- definitely agree with Facebook.
- adaptive battery is still on.
I am on Pie, December patch.
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And a screenshot for battery saver
Thanks i actually thought that the Android One meant a debloated system. So i never even cared about checking the system apps. Well now my phone is debloated! Almost as many ****ty apps that Samsung has.
It runs much smoother in the UI too.
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Whats that unaccounted apps are, telewell apps?
And it tooks more than screen on does...
nexus723 said:
You got facebook? Well many has reported that facebook drains a lot, as it uses many services to communicate with the phone. I usually just use dolphin browser and have facebook logged in.
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I'm using Maki
Guide to help you
After update to 9.0 my battery life became very bad... SoT was barely 2.5h.
However, i found out a way to fix it!
Deleting facebook app, and disabling battery aid improved it alot, disabling sync can also give you a little boost .. Deleting facebook app helped the most. I get between 5-6h SoT. Cheers!
SoT after my tricks?
Strmy said:
After update to 9.0 my battery life became very bad... SoT was barely 2.5h.
However, i found out a way to fix it!
Deleting facebook app, and disabling battery aid improved it alot, disabling sync can also give you a little boost .. Deleting facebook app helped the most. I get between 5-6h SoT. Cheers!
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what do you mean by Battery aid?
Strmy said:
Deleting facebook app
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You should always remove facebook and messenger app and use facebook lite and messenger lite instead
what's the best solution for now to increase sot?
I have a Nokia 7 Plus (Europe) with Android Pie and I have no application problem killed. I do not see any difference in disabling the battery management as well as "evenwell".
What empties my battery is "Google Play Service". Almost 2% per hour is way too much for a device on standby at night.
christ59520 said:
I have a Nokia 7 Plus (Europe) with Android Pie and I have no application problem killed. I do not see any difference in disabling the battery management as well as "evenwell".
What empties
my battery is "Google Play Service". Almost 2% per hour is way too much for a device on standby at night.
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You need to clear cache from Google Play services or perhaps wait for a new update from Google. I had the same issue , however clearing the cache helped me restore battery to a respectable level.
Battery life is awesome for me. It lasts 9 hours in 81% (from 98% to 17%) screen on time, wi-fi always on, without gaming, location disabled (it takes a lot of battery)
After updating to March security patch (Android Pie), battery life returns to great! Adaptive battery can now be permanently turned off and I'm getting average 3 days of normal use on a single charge.
Battery has been bad since I switch to note 20 ultra from note 10+.
Trying to find the root cause.
Anyone knows what mde service framework is? Can't find much info on it..
aarick said:
Battery has been bad since I switch to note 20 ultra from note 10+.
Trying to find the root cause.
Anyone knows what mde service framework is? Can't find much info on it..
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Could it be this .....quote from G search >
What is MDE Service Framework?
The Android media router framework allows manufacturers to enable playback on their devices through a standardized interface called a MediaRouteProvider . ... This guide discusses how to create a media route provider for a receiver device and make it available to other media playback applications that run on Android.Dec 27, 2019
link to my G search
https://www.google.com/search?safe=...hUKEwiJ6LLOo43sAhVtx4UKHQs9A-gQ1QIoAHoECAsQAQ
Maybe try a Factory Reset .
Could it be ,that when switching from /old backups from N10 + /re installing apps /setting /Smart switch ...etc something got corrupted ...?
I know it's a hassle, to factory reset , but as i see it
You can "stress " and look for the "culprit " , that causes the battery drain or
maybe try a factory reset ...it might help ??
Good luck
•Try to find the issues of this load otherwise doing a hard reset may only land you in the same situation.
Lot of junk running... do you need it?
A package blocker like PD MDM can be used to turn off bloatware.
Cloud services and Goggle backup tend to be habitual offenders.
Turn off Google, Samsung and carrier feedback.
I had a lot of trouble with ARcore, disable it if you aren't using augmented reality applications.
Clear data on Goggle Backup Transport, Goggle Framework and google.android.gms.policy.
Clear system cache and log files with a cleaner.
SD Maid does a good job.
I use the old version of Device Care to clean the cache when it used 360° however I block internet access when it runs then package block it because of the Chinese junk in it. It's a good cache cleaner
•Turn off 3rd party power management apks and like Adroid manage its self. Don't set apps to sleep.
•Clear system cache on the boot menu.
In Developer options in Running Services, see what's running. In Stand By Apps all buckets should show as active, if not power management is being used. Android will power them down when not in use even if shown as active.
•Monitor your battery milliamp draw in realtime; at idle it should go down as low as 60 ma at times and average about 180-300 ma at idle. Frequent or sustained spikes in the 400-1000+ range indicate excessive cpu activity; find what's doing it. Examine what was recently opened or cache when the drain starts in Running Services in Developer Options.
•Before doing a hard reset try resetting Settings; it's less drastic and time consuming.
•If you do a hard reset be more careful during setup.
Avoid loading a bunch of junk 3rd party apps... keep it clean. Test new 3rd party apps before the reload if you can.
Play with it... observe and play some more... you will find it.
Go through all the settings, poke around, see what's there and learn what it does. Unlike playing in the Windows Registry it's relatively safe to do and fun
blackhawk said:
•Try to find the issues of this load otherwise doing a hard reset may only land you in the same situation.
Lot of junk running... do you need it?
A package blocker like PD MDM can be used to turn off bloatware.
Cloud services and Goggle backup tend to be habitual offenders.
Turn off Google, Samsung and carrier feedback.
I had a lot of trouble with ARcore, disable it if you aren't using augmented reality applications.
Clear data on Goggle Backup Transport, Goggle Framework and google.android.gms.policy.
Clear system cache and log files with a cleaner.
SD Maid does a good job.
I use the old version of Device Care to clean the cache when it used 360° however I block internet access when it runs then package block it because of the Chinese junk in it. It's a good cache cleaner
•Turn off 3rd party power management apks and like Adroid manage its self. Don't set apps to sleep.
•Clear system cache on the boot menu.
In Developer options in Running Services, see what's running. In Stand By Apps all buckets should show as active, if not power management is being used. Android will power them down when not in use even if shown as active.
•Monitor your battery milliamp draw in realtime; at idle it should go down as low as 60 ma at times and average about 180-300 ma at idle. Frequent or sustained spikes in the 400-1000+ range indicate excessive cpu activity; find what's doing it. Examine what was recently opened or cache when the drain starts in Running Services in Developer Options.
•Before doing a hard reset try resetting Settings; it's less drastic and time consuming.
•If you do a hard reset be more careful during setup.
Avoid loading a bunch of junk 3rd party apps... keep it clean. Test new 3rd party apps before the reload if you can.
Play with it... observe and play some more... you will find it.
Go through all the settings, poke around, see what's there and learn what it does. Unlike playing in the Windows Registry it's relatively safe to do and fun
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appreciate the suggestion. Considering I had all the same apps on my note 10 and didn't have similar issue. Am incline to believe issue is related to restoring with smart switch. So will consider doing a reset when I have the time to set everything up manually.
aarick said:
appreciate the suggestion. Considering I had all the same apps on my note 10 and didn't have similar issue. Am incline to believe issue is related to restoring with smart switch. So will consider doing a reset when I have the time to set everything up manually.
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I don't like smart switch or trust it. This type of Samsung apk has failed me miserably before... bugware.
The 10+ between Goggle, Samsung and carrier apks can be witchy. Lots of junk that does nothing for you and creates conflicts that suck resources/power/internet bandwidth are all too common.
Since each configuration is different you need to play with it.
Without root you lack advanced diagnostic tools which makes it more difficult as if Google wants it that way... effective real time monitors I can use in Windows are completely missing in Android.
Note 20 ultra user here myself, by chance have you got mobile hotspot active? Or the auto hotspot running? Just done a Google search for the service and found this thread. For me turning off the hotspot and auto hotspot stopped the battery drain for this service in its tracks. I have also noticed the phone getting alarmingly hot 50c to 55c when it is switched on and in use, though saying that I'm finding general use makes the phone uncomfortably hot to hold
Im using N20 ultra exynos version and only in the beginning the phone would get hot and battery life is very poor. After about 3-4 weeks im seeing a massive improvement in device performance and battery life. Using ccswe to disable packages. Naptime helping stand by battery drain as well.
blackhawk said:
•Try to find the issues of this load otherwise doing a hard reset may only land you in the same situation.
Lot of junk running... do you need it?
A package blocker like PD MDM can be used to turn off bloatware.
Cloud services and Goggle backup tend to be habitual offenders.
Turn off Google, Samsung and carrier feedback.
I had a lot of trouble with ARcore, disable it if you aren't using augmented reality applications.
Clear data on Goggle Backup Transport, Goggle Framework and google.android.gms.policy.
Clear system cache and log files with a cleaner.
SD Maid does a good job.
I use the old version of Device Care to clean the cache when it used 360° however I block internet access when it runs then package block it because of the Chinese junk in it. It's a good cache cleaner
•Turn off 3rd party power management apks and like Adroid manage its self. Don't set apps to sleep.
•Clear system cache on the boot menu.
In Developer options in Running Services, see what's running. In Stand By Apps all buckets should show as active, if not power management is being used. Android will power them down when not in use even if shown as active.
•Monitor your battery milliamp draw in realtime; at idle it should go down as low as 60 ma at times and average about 180-300 ma at idle. Frequent or sustained spikes in the 400-1000+ range indicate excessive cpu activity; find what's doing it. Examine what was recently opened or cache when the drain starts in Running Services in Developer Options.
•Before doing a hard reset try resetting Settings; it's less drastic and time consuming.
•If you do a hard reset be more careful during setup.
Avoid loading a bunch of junk 3rd party apps... keep it clean. Test new 3rd party apps before the reload if you can.
Play with it... observe and play some more... you will find it.
Go through all the settings, poke around, see what's there and learn what it does. Unlike playing in the Windows Registry it's relatively safe to do and fun
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Hey! Thank you so much for your tips. Can you please point out a good app for measuring standby power usage? I used to use Gsam Battery Monitor Pro, but that no longer seems to be compatible with my Snapdragon Note 20 Ultra. I don't get accurate reading and it seems the dev has abandoned the app (last update Jan 2020)
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Hey! Thank you so much for your tips. Can you please point out a good app for measuring standby power usage? I used to use Gsam Battery Monitor Pro, but that no longer seems to be compatible with my Snapdragon Note 20 Ultra. I don't get accurate reading and it seems the dev has abandoned the app (last update Jan 2020)
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Not sure what works with Q; I'm running Pie.
Galaxy's Battery Tracker is useful.
I use the Accubattery overlay sometimes to measure ma but again Q.
DecChek is a useful tool.
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Not sure what works with Q; I'm running Pie.
Galaxy's Battery Tracker is useful.
I use the Accubattery overlay sometimes to measure ma but again Q.
DecChek is a useful tool.
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have DevCheck installed. Does the Pro version allow to keep it running in the background collecting data for analysis later? I specifically want to understand how much is the drain in standby mode and whether T-mobile 5G could also be the culprit here?
Looks like DevCheck won't collect data silently in the background. So any recommendations for a reliable app to measure standby drain would be very welcome.
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have DevCheck installed. Does the Pro version allow to keep it running in the background collecting data for analysis later? I specifically want to understand how much is the drain in standby mode and whether T-mobile 5G could also be the culprit here?
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Don't know.
Goggle system apks are more likely to blame.
Try blocking suspects with Karma Firewall and see what it does.
Turn off auto sync for Gmail and look hard at 3rd party apps including Samsung.
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Looks like DevCheck won't collect data silently in the background. So any recommendations for a reliable app to measure standby drain would be very welcome.
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Use GSAM after enabling permissions via adb. Make sure the app is also not set to be optimized or restricted in background usage .
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Use GSAM after enabling permissions via adb. Make sure the app is also not set to be optimized or restricted in background usage .
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Tried all of that already. Did you get accurate readings?
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Tried all of that already. Did you get accurate readings?
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Accurate enough for me to determine what is using my battery and make necessary adjustments, yes.
So when you tried that already, what did you come up with? You see MDE Framework in there?
The mde service framework is a system service that enables media playback on Android devices. It provides APIs to support the following media playback operations:
- playing audio and video files
- streaming audio and video content
- recording audio and video
- managing playback queue
- managing media player settings
The mde service framework is implemented in the media server process and uses the MediaDrm API to support DRM-protected content. See also https://grouphowto.com/mde-service-framework/
On stock and android 11 unrooted phone.
Coming from rooted android 10 the battery drain is way higher on android 11
Done all the usual stuff to stop drain and debloated few things but what else can anyone recommend for battery saving
Thanks
Things that help me are:
DEBLOAT
Debloat Oneplus account
Debloat Oneplus cloud
Debloat Oneplus wireless emergency alerts.
Debloat Google Pictures
Debloat Google Movies
Debloat Google Music
Debloat Google Gmail
SETTINGS
WIFI Scanning settings: Turn OFF
Bluethooth/Printing : Turn OFF
NFC: OFF, never use it.
Adaptive brightness : OFF ( Always adjusting consumes battery)
Use a dark Wallpaper & Screen time out is 30s
Notification, only allow the apps you want. Or switch off, every notification wakes the phone from Doze mode.
Location: OFF
Battery : Optimise every user app, including Google Play store & Google Play Services (Battery HOGS)
Accounts: Switch Sync data off
Hope this helps you.
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Things that help me are:
DEBLOAT
Debloat Oneplus account
Debloat Oneplus cloud
Debloat Oneplus wireless emergency alerts.
Debloat Google Pictures
Debloat Google Movies
Debloat Google Music
Debloat Google Gmail
SETTINGS
WIFI Scanning settings: Turn OFF
Bluethooth/Printing : Turn OFF
NFC: OFF, never use it.
Adaptive brightness : OFF ( Always adjusting consumes battery)
Use a dark Wallpaper & Screen time out is 30s
Notification, only allow the apps you want. Or switch off, every notification wakes the phone from Doze mode.
Location: OFF
Battery : Optimise every user app, including Google Play store & Google Play Services (Battery HOGS)
Accounts: Switch Sync data off
Hope this helps you.
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Thanks for the above
Optimise the battery on most apps and not getting some notifications ie Gmail so take it this is one of the side affects
Yep, stuff that runs in the background always eat battery. Especially Google apps.
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Yep, stuff that runs in the background always eat battery. Especially Google apps.
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Goggle play Services, Playstore, Google backup Transport and Framework are prime offenders.
The former two I kept disabled unless I need them. The latter two are package blocked.
Sync is turned off. Gmaps is kept firewall blocked unless needed otherwise it constantly is running in the background.
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funkyirishman said:
Thanks for the above
Optimise the battery on most apps and not getting some notifications ie Gmail so take it this is one of the side affects
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Optimization can eat battery and cause erratic behavior. Developer options>Standby apps, all buckets should show as active. Otherwise power management is active and it will cause trouble.
Dependencies... disabling some apps can cause seemingly unpredictable consequences and higher battery consumption. Goggle play Services has lots of dependencies but killing it saves battery. Turning off location helps too.
Turn off all carrier, manufacturer and app feedback.
Disable OTA updates; only update if proven to be worthwhile. Most updates harm the usability and provide little improvement. If the phone is running fast, stable and fulfilling its mission leave it be. Most carrier Android phones need to be optimized or they will run like pigs. Updates generally just complicate the optimization process.
Each Android and user are unique requiring different solutions. Play with it.
With Google you're not the customer, you're the product... the less Gookill, the better.
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Goggle play Services, Playstore, Google backup Transport and Framework are prime offenders.
The former two I kept disabled unless I need them. The latter two are package blocked.
Sync is turned off. Gmaps is kept firewall blocked unless needed otherwise it constantly is running in the background.
Optimization can eat battery and cause erratic behavior. Developer options>Standby apps, all buckets should show as active. Otherwise power management is active and it will cause trouble.
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Was looking at this but what do you mean by 'all buckets'?
Some of the apps are on WORKIng_SET /ACTIVE or RARE and a few on FREQUENT
Anything to do on these to save battery
Also I have Dont Keep Activities ticked but even when I close the apps its still running and press clear all
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Was looking at this but what do you mean by 'all buckets'?
Some of the apps are on WORKIng_SET /ACTIVE or RARE and a few on FREQUENT*
Anything to do on these to save battery
Also I have Dont Keep Activities ticked but even when I close the apps its still running and press clear all
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*These are the buckets. Google terminology not mine. More Google bloatware.
If you can't change their run state there then power management is disable... as is best.
Simple close apps when done with them.
If they continue to cause trouble try limiting background battery and/or data usage.
Ditch the really bad actors if can't get them to behave.
Power management apps will cause nothing but trouble and eat battery. Android manages its self well without this junk with well written apps.
I found this pretty cool looking module (universal-gms-doze), except I have no idea how much battery gms / play services actually uses.
It doesnt show up in battery statistics or better battery stats, well com.google.android.gms as does far down the list with like 0% battery used.
In my experience, google gms/play services are the top offenders when it comes to wasting battery, esp. during idle time. You've prolly had a quick read, at least, of the gms doze thread. At first glance it seems like there's all sorts of issues w/ gms doze module, esp. w/ A12/13. After a second glance it seems the vast majority of folks having issues are using phones with 'factory' A12/13 OSs that are heavily 'dressed' so to speak and those running 'custom' ROMs that stray a little (or way) too far from the AOSP model. From what I gather, gms/play can eat anywhere from 15-30% of the battery during 'idle' time
In the thread it seems the first thing to check is if you're bringing gms to heel by seeing if it's services are 'optimized'
by using a system terminal app (su gmsc) which means is can be 'dozed'. The trick is getting any/all of your notifications to show up on time, without delays ideally...obviously your results may vary depending on your phone, OS and all your various apps and settings. It's a matter of tweaking all ur various settings and apps until you find what combo works best for you. Me...I'm lazy and the type that when I find something that works well, I tend to stick with it until I'm forced to change/update. I'm also not a 'heavy' phone user as much as a tweak/app-addict...so finding that perfect sweet spot (without shooting myself in the foot)...is half the fun!
edit: Oh...regarding your original Q:...I guess u can use an app like the recently updated BetterBatteryStats or Battery Guru and try and get it nailed down trying various settings while keeping/using a suitable test period that is 'average and typical' as well as repeatable...all without going insane.
thats the thing, i havnt noticed any weird idle drain, with ambient display it stays below 2%/h, havnt tested without but it feels like less than half that.
BG doesnt appear to show system apps battery drain and BBS shows com.google.android.gms but said it was only responsible for 1% of the battery drain.