I think it would be a good idea to start complaining on how Samsung has locked down their phones with Oreo. Call them out on Twitter and other threads. Who is with me?
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I think it would be a good idea to start complaining on how Samsung has locked down their phones with Oreo. Call them out on Twitter and other threads. Who is with me?
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it would not help, samsung, Dell, HP and so on, everyone has patched their bootloaders or bios/os microcode updates cause of specte/meltdown. there is no manufacturer that allows to downgrade after a update for meldown/spectre has been applied. it has nothing to do with samsung, it's just a way of protecting their consumers.
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I think it would be a good idea to start complaining on how Samsung has locked down their phones with Oreo. Call them out on Twitter and other threads. Who is with me?
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They did not lock anything down that was not locked down already
That is not true, In Oreo you can no longer use the OEM unlock option. You can not flash Oreo bootloaders. You get an FRP boot loop. This is a new change that forces Oreo users who are on custom roms to stay on Nougat Bootloaders.
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That is not true, In Oreo you can no longer use the OEM unlock option. You can not flash Oreo bootloaders. You get an FRP boot loop. This is a new change that forces Oreo users who are on custom roms to stay on Nougat Bootloaders.
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For exynos phones? Post a link to this issue.
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For exynos phones? Post a link to this issue.
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This person does not realize the change.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8/help/oreo-android-8-firmware-rooted-s8-t3750526
You have to go through this process to flash Oreo, however you will get custom firmware bootloop if you flash bootloader on custom rom.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8/how-to/guide-how-to-flash-crap-using-odin-s8-t3748571
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I think it would be a good idea to start complaining on how Samsung has locked down their phones with Oreo. Call them out on Twitter and other threads. Who is with me?
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I actually called and asked to speak to someone about this and they basically have me the run-around. Then I asked to speak to any developer and they told me they couldn't do that and to have a nice day........I figured I'd try.
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That is not true, In Oreo you can no longer use the OEM unlock option. You can not flash Oreo bootloaders. You get an FRP boot loop. This is a new change that forces Oreo users who are on custom roms to stay on Nougat Bootloaders.
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People in the Oreo threads are saying you have to wait 7 days and you can not turn the phone off or reboot in those 7 days for the unlock option to show up. If you turn it off or reboot the counter resets. I can't confirm this, just relaying what everyone is saying.
I remember when I thought my opinion mattered.
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That is not true, In Oreo you can no longer use the OEM unlock option. You can not flash Oreo bootloaders. You get an FRP boot loop. This is a new change that forces Oreo users who are on custom roms to stay on Nougat Bootloaders.
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That's completely untrue, you have to wait 7 days without the phone turning off even once and this option will appear again
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That's completely untrue, you have to wait 7 days without the phone turning off even once and this option will appear again
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But you still can't flash Oreo bootloader and modem on a phone with a custom recovery. Even with oem unlock on. It will bootloop with that message.
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But you still can't flash Oreo bootloader and modem on a phone with a custom recovery. Even with oem unlock on. It will bootloop with that message.
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Back you up with that from chat on telegram. Only a few official beta testers never got RMM state prenormal but it's true. Even after 7 days you cannot flash Oreo bootloader
Latest S8 Oreo firmware, updated 2 days ago restarted 1 day ago. G950F
If Samsung persists with this I want my Knox reset and the s8 can go on eBay, I'll buy a pixel 2
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Oem unlock is still available, let the devs update theur stuff for the oreo bootloader and everyrhing will be fine
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If Samsung persists with this I want my Knox reset and the s8 can go on eBay, I'll buy a pixel 2
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you cannot gt the knox reset without replacing the motherboard. it is a physical fuse.
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you cannot gt the knox reset without replacing the motherboard. it is a physical fuse.
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Yes, I'm aware of that, but if Samsung is changing the rules it can bear the costs!
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Yes, I'm aware of that, but if Samsung is changing the rules it can bear the costs!
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good luck getting them to agree to that.
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good luck getting them to agree to that.
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I'm not expecting it to be easy, but if I feel I'm being pushed around I'm very successful at recovering monies.
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There's no way in hell they'd go for it
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Hi!
Is there any way to use the international rom with galaxy s6 Verizon version??
Thanks!
alexcochifu said:
Hi!
Is there any way to use the international rom with galaxy s6 Verizon version??
Thanks!
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Not without unlocking the device, which can't be done on the verizon s6.
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Not without unlocking the device, which can't be done on the verizon s6.
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I already unlocked the device, i actually have the CLEAN ROM installed---
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I already unlocked the device, i actually have the CLEAN ROM installed---
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I'm not talking about root. I'm talking about unlocking the bootloader so you can flash modified kernels and what not.
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I'm not talking about root. I'm talking about unlocking the bootloader so you can flash modified kernels and what not.
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Ok. SO how do i know if it´s unlocked? Because i bought this s6 used....
The problem is the Verizon S6 family is currently unable to have modified bootloader files as no one has found a way to change them with or without tripping Knox, the security suite on our phones. Hell, everything updated past Firmware update OF1 isn't even rooted yet and no one is sure when or if we will even have one. Basically what I'm saying is, there is no way for you to get the international ROM onto your phone unless you just happened to either crack the system yourself or the person you got it from managed to find a way without telling the world about it.
Word of advice, you can have a phone that is rooted with a flashed ROM but still have a locked bootloader. In our case it was due to an exploit that was patched.
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I want to update everything except leave the bootloader on 7.1. Will this work?
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I want to update everything except leave the bootloader on 7.1. Will this work?
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I don't believe that will work. Why do you want to do that? 7.1.1 won't relock it if that is what you are worried about....as long as you are already unlocked.
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I don't believe that will work..
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I think I will try it.
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Why do you want to do that?
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I want to be able to lock and unlock if I need to.
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I think I will try it.
I want to be able to lock and unlock if I need to.
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Once you are unlocked it does not matter what version you are on you can lock and unlock all you want. I advise strongly against relocking. You very well might brick yourself. Has happened to a fair number of people already. Also remember unlocking or relocking will wipe your phone.
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Once you are unlocked it does not matter what version you are on you can lock and unlock all you want.
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http://theroot.ninja/depixel8.html
"DO NOT RELOCK YOUR BOOTLOADER, unless you have restored it back to 100% stock and are sure you won't want it unlocked again."
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O I advise strongly against relocking. You very well might brick yourself. Has happened to a fair number of people already.
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Were they still on 7.1 bootloader? Or had they upgraded to 7.1.1 bootloader?
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Were they still on 7.1 bootloader? Or had they upgraded to 7.1.1 bootloader?
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Don't know, didn't pay that much attention.
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Don't know, didn't pay that much attention.
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My guess is they upgraded to the 7.1.1 bootloader and that caused the issues relocking.
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My guess is they upgraded to the 7.1.1 bootloader and that caused the issues relocking.
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It has nothing at all to do with the bootloader.
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It has nothing at all to do with the bootloader.
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So what does it have to do with then?
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So what does it have to do with then?
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No one knows for sure. Well some must know but they're not saying. Maybe imei. Depixel8 used an exploit which was closed in a November update. The bootloader versions are exactly the same for the Verizon and Google devices as are the system images.
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Depixel8 used an exploit which was closed in a November update. The bootloader versions are exactly the same for the Verizon and Google devices as are the system images.
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Right but if I stay on 7.1 bootloader, then it doesn't matter.
I am on 7.1. still. I want the bootloader to stay on 7.1. I think people who experienced problems relocking had upgraded their bootloader to 7.1.1.
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Right but if I stay on 7.1 bootloader, then it doesn't matter.
I am on 7.1. still. I want the bootloader to stay on 7.1. I think people who experienced problems relocking had upgraded their bootloader to 7.1.1.
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There has been posts about problems relocking before 7.1. Bottom line is if you have a Verizon Pixel, you don't want to do it unless you are completely stock. Regardless of the version of your bootloader. Why would you want to lock it again anyway? Under the context you are using here, it makes no sense. Keep an old bootloader so you can lock and unlock at your choosing. I can see reasons for relocking it but i can't see any reason why you'd want to unlock, then relock, then unlock, etc. Leave it unlocked and enjoy the benefits. I'm not really sure what it is you're wanting here. As has been said before, once unlocked, you'll remain unlocked. Regardless of any update with an updated bootloader. Once unlocked, the only way for you to end up with a locked bootloader is if you issue the necessary fastboot commands. Leave it unlocked. Enjoy. Just my two cents worth.
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No one knows for sure. Well some must know but they're not saying. Maybe imei. Depixel8 used an exploit which was closed in a November update. The bootloader versions are exactly the same for the Verizon and Google devices as are the system images.
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There's actually a total of 5 bootloaders
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Bottom line is if you have a Verizon Pixel, you don't want to do it unless you are completely stock.
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I would never try to relock without being completely stock.
robocuff said:
Why would you want to lock it again anyway?
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More secure.
LoliSmith said:
I would never try to relock without being completely stock.
More secure.
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I can't argue with that but how much security are losing by staying on that version and not installing the monthly updates? They are mostly security related updates. Seems to me you'd be trading one security issue for a whole bunch more. That said, if you stay on 7.1 you should be able to lock it and unlock it again in the future if that's what you want to do.
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I can't argue with that but how much security are losing by staying on that version and not installing the monthly updates?
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As long as they are released as flashable files, I can flash them. But if not then yeah, I am missing out on those.
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That said, if you stay on 7.1 you should be able to lock it and unlock it again in the future if that's what you want to do.
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Yes, that is what I want to do. The only thing I am not sure on is if I flash everything else, will the phone work with an older bootloader version. It always worked with my motorola and nexus phones but of course, that doesn't mean it will work with a Pixel.
With motorola I did have to keep the partition table consistent with the bootloader version and that could create a problem if the system partition of later versions was larger.
I plan on staying on Nougat with this phone so it shouldn't be a problem.
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As long as they are released as flashable files, I can flash them. But if not then yeah, I am missing out on those.
Yes, that is what I want to do. The only thing I am not sure on is if I flash everything else, will the phone work with an older bootloader version. It always worked with my motorola and nexus phones but of course, that doesn't mean it will work with a Pixel.
With motorola I did have to keep the partition table consistent with the bootloader version and that could create a problem if the system partition of later versions was larger.
I plan on staying on Nougat with this phone so it shouldn't be a problem.
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I don't really know what to tell you about it. The bootloader may work fine but who's to say the vulnerability that depixel8 exploits is in the bootloader? It could be software related, it could be hardware related. I really have no idea. Also, I did a bit of searching about this and from what I read, it sounds as if it might not be possible to unlock it again if you've already taken the security patch that patched the exploit. I could be wrong but it sounds as if that may be the case. Look, at the last paragraph of this article . From what that says, it sounds as though it isn't possible to unlock even on an older version of Nougat once you've taken that security patch. If that's the case, it would seem the the exploit must have targeted something at a very low level. Something other than the OS or the bootloader.
Also, even if you can do what you want to do, I don't know if you can install the updates without installing the one that patches the exploit. I really have no idea. I've seen it said that they are cumulative and in order to install the newest updates, you have to install all the previous ones first. I really have no idea if that is correct or not but if it were me, I'd tread lightly on this one unless you're willing to risk the possibility of not being able to unlock it again. These are just some of my thoughts about it all. I don't have the answers to my thoughts but if it were me, I wouldn't lock it again without knowing for sure it can be unlocked again.
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I could be wrong but it sounds as if that may be the case. Look, at the last paragraph of this article . From what that says, it sounds as though it isn't possible to unlock even on an older version of Nougat once you've taken that security patch.
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Right because it updated both the bootloader and the kernel. I would only be updating the kernel, not the bootloader. And I am assuming that as long as the bootloader is on 7.1, I can downgrade the kernel, system, etc. as long as the files are signed.
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If that's the case, it would seem the the exploit must have targeted something at a very low level. Something other than the OS or the bootloader.
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I am not going to ever take any OTAs. Presumably aboot.img is the bootloader but I am not sure what bootlocker.img and keymaster.img are so I would need to research that further. Do you know what they are?
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I've seen it said that they are cumulative and in order to install the newest updates, you have to install all the previous ones first.
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Are you talking about flashing or taking OTAs?
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I really have no idea if that is correct or not but if it were me, I'd tread lightly on this one unless you're willing to risk the possibility of not being able to unlock it again. These are just some of my thoughts about it all. I don't have the answers to my thoughts but if it were me, I wouldn't lock it again without knowing for sure it can be unlocked again.
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Thanks. I am OK with not being able to unlock again.
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keymaster.img
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Yeah, definitely won't be updating that:
https://source.android.com/security/keystore/
why for S9 and s9+ there's a 7 day Wait period for OEM unlock?
Lol... ask samsung.
But this is nothing new, started last fall with the note 8 so i dont know why so many S9 users are surprised really.
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It gives enterprises 7 days to locate/wipe lost/stolen phones.
When you see RMM state: Prenormal in download mode you are within this period. (RMM = Remote Management & Monitoring).
RMM not unlocking...
Hi Gang!
I've got an international S9+ (SM-G965F/DS) and I've got a working SIM in it. But, after the 168 hrs of uptime, it's still showing as PRENORMAL. I've got developer mode enabled because I want to root this device. But, I can't get to the OEM Unlock until this thing switches to normal mode. Any clues as to why it's not going to Normal mode?
TIA
taichichuan said:
Hi Gang!
I've got an international S9+ (SM-G965F/DS) and I've got a working SIM in it. But, after the 168 hrs of uptime, it's still showing as PRENORMAL. I've got developer mode enabled because I want to root this device. But, I can't get to the OEM Unlock until this thing switches to normal mode. Any clues as to why it's not going to Normal mode?
TIA
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Do you have a pending ota update? If so you need to take it to get out. It won't reset your 7d wait the whole "up time" thing is complete nonsense anyway ?
My phone is in prenormal state. I have stock firmware and tried to install twrp but decided to just stay stock. Now i cant use google pay..will it work after 7 days?
Hmm... OK, I'll apply the OTA update and see what happens.
TNX,
Mike
So this OEM unlock wait time thing applies to the US SD model as well?
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So this OEM unlock wait time thing applies to the US SD model as well?
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no sir, yours will never show up. Besides with a locked bootloader there is nothing you can do with it anyway.
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no sir, yours will never show up. Besides with a locked bootloader there is nothing you can do with it anyway.
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Bummer. Hope something comes out for it soon.
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Bummer. Hope something comes out for it soon.
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Sorry to be negative here, but it won't.
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Sorry to be negative here, but it won't.
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Even if it became available Im still trying to figure out the purpose of even flipping the switch on locked down snap models?
You cant flash anything so I dont see the purpose here and yet everyone keeps asking?
I waited the 7 days and got oem unlock back..it is unlocked atm my status is official but i still cant download Netflix or use google pay? says my syetm is modified..Knox hasnt even been tripped.
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Sorry to be negative here, but it won't.
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Damn. I'm really gonna have to get a Pixel phone when I do my upgrade. Sucks that nothing is working out for the US model of this phone.
Hey folks,
I am new to the rooting scene and was hoping someone could give me some guidance on how to properly root my S7 model G930VL. I've read people say that the bootloader cannot be unlocked while others said it can by simply turning on OEM unlock? Do I really have to flash another firmware in order to root and if so, how would I do that?
Thank you for your time.
Riyita said:
Hey folks,
I am new to the rooting scene and was hoping someone could give me some guidance on how to properly root my S7 model G930VL. I've read people say that the bootloader cannot be unlocked while others said it can by simply turning on OEM unlock? Do I really have to flash another firmware in order to root and if so, how would I do that?
Thank you for your time.
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all the VLs ive seen use safestrap (i have a G900VL and its the same issue). Ive tried flashing so many different versions of S5 firmware that its becoming hopeless. I know youre talking about a S7 and im talking about a S5, but the issue should be at the very least similar. If the bootloader is locked and isnt unlockable, then all youre left with is safestrap
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all the VLs ive seen use safestrap (i have a G900VL and its the same issue). Ive tried flashing so many different versions of S5 firmware that its becoming hopeless. I know youre talking about a S7 and im talking about a S5, but the issue should be at the very least similar. If the bootloader is locked and isnt unlockable, then all youre left with is safestrap
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Hi,
Thanks for the reply back. I actually just ordered a SM-G930F international variant which I was under the impression is much, much easier to root, right? The bootloader is automatically unlocked by turning on OEM in dev settings?
Riyita said:
Hi,
Thanks for the reply back. I actually just ordered a SM-G930F international variant which I was under the impression is much, much easier to root, right? The bootloader is automatically unlocked by turning on OEM in dev settings?
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yep and yep. you might have to contend with the 168 hour thing, but other than that it should be a cakewalk. The 168 hour thing is where the bootloader toggle wont switch unless you let it sit powered on for 168 hours. I.E., just dont reboot it for 7 days then toggle the unlock
Specifically, this one. ATT branded, snapdragon sm-G955U s8+ device. Nothing fancy, no Xposed module, just vanilla AOSP 10 and maybe the current security patches.
I know this device had it's last year of firmware updates and while it still works fine, can it do more?
Thanks.
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Specifically, this one. ATT branded, snapdragon sm-G955U s8+ device. Nothing fancy, no Xposed module, just vanilla AOSP 10 and maybe the current security patches.
I know this device had it's last year of firmware updates and while it still works fine, can it do more?
Thanks.
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No. That would require a unlocked boot loader
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No. That would require a unlocked boot loader
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Well I guess that settles that. That'll learn me to buy carrier flagships again.
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Well I guess that settles that. That'll learn me to buy carrier flagships again.
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Yea
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Yea
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do you have a link to that boot. I have the exact phone
BRIANSLEARNING said:
do you have a link to that boot. I have the exact phone
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You can't your bootloader is locked
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You can't your bootloader is locked
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I can't get my phone to open oem. The process doesnt work. Is there a master flash i can use. All my data backed up
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I can't get my phone to open oem. The process doesnt work. Is there a master flash i can use. All my data backed up
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No. Again your bootloader is locked OEM unlock does not exist. You cannot flash custom roms no way no how