Disappearing Internal Disk Space Storage? Always running out! - Huawei MediaPad X2

Hi,
I have a strange issue with my 16GB GEM-703L Stock B212 unrooted device where I am always running out of internal disk space no matter how much I move over to my 32GB storage card.
My Internal Storage shows as 10.37GB with 552MB free, and my "Default location" for storage is Internal but I have moved numerous apps data from Internal to my External memory card. Still, I am always running out of disk space to the point where the OS notifies me constantly. I even scheduled my Whatsapp photos and videos to be periodically moved over to my external memory card.
My Internal Storage partition shows as only 1.05GB capacity and that seems a bit low to me but wasn't sure so I thought I would post about it here.
Admittingly, since my "Default location" is set to Internal, all APKs are stored on my internal storage and I have a total of 2.95GB of APKs for all my apps.
Since I am not rooted (this is the first device in my life I have not rooted since it's battery life is amazing), I cannot see the full details of all my partitions but feel there might be something wierd happening here.
Is this normal? Or is there simply not much space left for me to use with everything being taken up including the OS system partition, APKs in the data partition, etc?
Thanks.
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It almost sounds like the device was rooted at one point but after flashing a stock rom the internel storage was never wiped in TWRP thus it only shows as 1.05gb.

ajsmsg78 said:
It almost sounds like the device was rooted at one point but after flashing a stock rom the internel storage was never wiped in TWRP thus it only shows as 1.05gb.
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Hi AJ, thanks for replying. When I first received this device a few years ago, it was on Stock B112 (also unrooted), and I used the recovery to wipe data and factory reset FULL including media contents. Since then however I have upgraded from B112 to B211 to B212. I don't know if somehow somewhere along the way one of the upgrades didn't clean up after itself or something but I do wipe cache/dalvik cache once in a while.
Not sure what else I can do while being unrooted besides doing a full backup and then a full restore of that same backup, but I am looking to find a less time consuming process because there are many customized settings I hav in terms of permissions and disabling of stupid Huawei apps, etc.
Do you have any suggestions by any chance?
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E--Man said:
Hi AJ, thanks for replying. When I first received this device a few years ago, it was on Stock B112 (also unrooted), and I used the recovery to wipe data and factory reset FULL including media contents. Since then however I have upgraded from B112 to B211 to B212. I don't know if somehow somewhere along the way one of the upgrades didn't clean up after itself or something but I do wipe cache/dalvik cache once in a while.
Not sure what else I can do while being unrooted besides doing a full backup and then a full restore of that same backup, but I am looking to find a less time consuming process because there are many customized settings I hav in terms of permissions and disabling of stupid Huawei apps, etc.
Do you have any suggestions by any chance?
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I would unlock the bootloader and root, then install TWRP then do a backup of your current setup then do a wipe then restore your backup.

Well, now that I am rooted, I am able to provide some further info about my data partition in the screenshot below.
My Internal Storage shows only 1.28GB total and this seems to be a result of apps storing their APKs on the Internal Storage even though the Storage Location for many of these apps are set to External Storage.
Looks like the only solution to having many apps with this 16GB device is to change the Storage "Default Location" to External in the settings as opposed to Internal and this *should* (?) change the location of the APKs. Correct?
Even if so I'm worried about the performance of the device if I do that.
Thoughts?
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E--Man said:
Well, now that I am rooted, I am able to provide some further info about my data partition in the screenshot below.
My Internal Storage shows only 1.28GB total and this seems to be a result of apps storing their APKs on the Internal Storage even though the Storage Location for many of these apps are set to External Storage.
Looks like the only solution to having many apps with this 16GB device is to change the Storage "Default Location" to External in the settings as opposed to Internal and this *should* (?) change the location of the APKs. Correct?
Even if so I'm worried about the performance of the device if I do that.
Thoughts?
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I see. Having the 16GB model stinks for the limited storage space. I'm jealous of you getting 4G on the X2. Here the best I get is 2G which makes it pretty much useless.

i have same problem 32gb version.. device roted + twrp + kangv3
i just dont get it : i checked with some app all partitions and all does have some free space like 40% or more, main internal storage is 12gb free out of 24available, i had 95%full external 32gb card but now changed to empty 64gb ndidnt helped
device was vorking fine about half year after i got it and instaled kangvip, now i cant do anything, most apps just crashes right away, or all aps just dont save setings, files, system keeps defaulting and forgeting its setings
what things i need to check or do before upgrading to kandg4
and how to upgrade without loosing my aplications setups and system setups ?
i realy need advise, cuz even uninstaling apps arent helping - no space eror
if its internal storage fault - how to check it ?
if its failing, how can i resurect this device internal storage (geting new one to rebuild at quality technician) is it even posible ?
if thats not posible, what kind of posibility is to transferr whole system to fastest suported external storage ?
wthell is this problem ? buged logs, lost folder ? thumbnails ? why these space eaters doesnt apear while checking partitions sizes ?
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https://www.asus.com/zentalk/thread-67589-9-1.html asus solved this ?
one more Q is it possible to enlarge every every systems partitions by repartitioning like on linux by moving resizing partitions ?
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i was trying to make backup of whole system with twrp:
last line was backing up data and:
4644mb of 5930 it freezes under 78% aited 10mins or more no go,

using DiskUsage app (x2 is rooted)
i found wery interesting direcyory that is actualy invisible to other space calculators,
and does have more then 6gb - ~1.6 milion files a (wtf)
/data/adb/hdb201********************* some files
i canot enter directory, should i try comand line to erase its contents ?
just what a hell is happening ? i see files does have a date im guesing some log files or something.. but why the hell they are created th3re and are still growing every hour ?
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file names look like this :
...hdb-2017-12-14-14-03-57-3815
hdb-2017-12-14-14-04-02-3816
hdb-2017-12-14-14-04-33-3825
hdb-2017-12-14-14-06-39-3836
hdb-2017-12-14-14-06-44-3837
hdb-2017-12-14-14-06-49-3838
hdb-2017-12-14-14-06-54-3847
hdb-2017-12-14-14-06-59-3848
hdb-2017-12-14-14-07-04-3849
hdb-2017-12-14-14-08-56-3868
hdb-2017-12-14-14-10-46-3908
hdb-2017-12-14-14-12-58-3926
hdb-2017-12-14-14-14-34-3934
hdb-2017-12-14-14-19-49-3947
hdb-2017-12-14-14-21-57-4251
hdb-2017-12-14-14-22-02-4314
hdb-2017-12-14-14-24-17-4328
hdb-2017-12-14-14-25-56-4336
hdb-2017-12-14-14-29-15-4342
hdb-2017-12-14-14-31-55-4355
hdb-2017-12-14-14-36-55-4368
hdb-2017-12-14-14-40-46-4405
hdb-2017-12-14-14-43-17-4453
hdb-2017-12-14-14-46-55-4468
hdb-2017-12-14-14-51-55-4484
hdb-2017-12-14-14-56-55-4498
hdb-2017-12-14-15-00-45-4509
hdb-2017-12-14-15-06-55-4521
hdb-2017-12-14-15-09-34-4586
hdb-2017-12-14-15-13-00-4624
hdb-2017-12-14-15-14-34-4638
hdb-2017-12-14-15-19-34-4667.....
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i cp one of them and inside of the file is :
--- hdb starting (pid 2950) ---
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130|[email protected]:/data/adb # rm -rf /data/adb/hdb-2017-1*
tmp-mksh: /system/bin/rm: Argument list too long
what im doing wrong ? help me, why adb is excesively loging onto drive, and more files dont even have extension

sauliavas said:
using DiskUsage app (x2 is rooted)
i found wery interesting direcyory that is actualy invisible to other space calculators,
and does have more then 6gb - ~1.6 milion files a (wtf)
/data/adb/hdb201********************* some files
i canot enter directory, should i try comand line to erase its contents ?
just what a hell is happening ? i see files does have a date im guesing some log files or something.. but why the hell they are created th3re and are still growing every hour ?
[update]
file names look like this :
i cp one of them and inside of the file is :
130|[email protected]:/data/adb # rm -rf /data/adb/hdb-2017-1*
tmp-mksh: /system/bin/rm: Argument list too long
what im doing wrong ? help me, why adb is excesively loging onto drive, and more files dont even have extension
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Hi did you ever progress on this issue? I have been recently deleting many apps and combing through my /data partition deleting unnecessary folders, but even after all of that my phone now shows full once again.
I am thinking it is due to a corrupt file system. Oddly, just yesterday folders inside my /storage/emulated/0/media/audio are getting deleted randomly and when I copy my ringtones back it does it again. This tells me that maybe the files are not actually being deleted but rather UN-REFERENCED by the pointers, and would also explain why the device thinks it's full.
Any advice?
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E--Man said:
Hi did you ever progress on this issue? I have been recently deleting many apps and combing through my /data partition deleting unnecessary folders, but even after all of that my phone now shows full once again.
I am thinking it is due to a corrupt file system. Oddly, just yesterday folders inside my /storage/emulated/0/media/audio are getting deleted randomly and when I copy my ringtones back it does it again. This tells me that maybe the files are not actually being deleted but rather UN-REFERENCED by the pointers, and would also explain why the device thinks it's full.
Any advice?
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I'll have to go on my X2 tonight and check.it out. What ROM(s) is it happening on?

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I'll have to go on my X2 tonight and check.it out. What ROM(s) is it happening on?
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GEM-703L Stock B212 rooted with TWRP, never reflashed. Thanks.
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GEM-703L Stock B212 rooted with TWRP, never reflashed. Thanks.
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Is that on my flashable stock rom or just plain stock that you rooted?

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Is that on my flashable stock rom or just plain stock that you rooted?
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Plain stock that came with the device. Rooted with TWRP I made myself from a P8 if you remember our PM's.
Update: I just found out my phone got full again because of running "Disk Digger" without disabling SuperSU logging. It was only 1.5GB but enough to cause my device to once again fill up.
Update 2: Still don't know how folders are being deleted. @ajsmsg78
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E--Man said:
Hi did you ever progress on this issue? I have been recently deleting many apps and combing through my /data partition deleting unnecessary folders, but even after all of that my phone now shows full once again.
I am thinking it is due to a corrupt file system. Oddly, just yesterday folders inside my /storage/emulated/0/media/audio are getting deleted randomly and when I copy my ringtones back it does it again. This tells me that maybe the files are not actually being deleted but rather UN-REFERENCED by the pointers, and would also explain why the device thinks it's full.
Any advice?
@ajsmsg78
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Hi,
i was reading some posts about linux ability to delete/read milion files in one directory, it seems thats why most aps canot see or just simply delete them by default because of some limitations. And for maanging such a huge number u must be specialy prepared for that. There are more then one posibility to delete files besides rm command.
I just delete all of contents by smaller portions. And as some guy on xda suggested nice app MacroDroid for some sceduled maintenance on system, i created task for deleting files every 48hrs on adb directory.
I think theres a bug on adb bridge or maybe it is possible somehow to turn of logging for that particular app.
Problem was clear files had no extention so cleaners wont count those files as log trash. One day (maybe) il find how to limit adb logings..
Overall i had same problem in past on my old pc with limit3d disk space and linux system, hoging up space with same silly problem like just endles loging and no automated self cleanups (casual user is totaly unaware about this)..
About music problem.. i dont know. But im geting feeling about two posiibilities, simply buggy program (wiping it, reformating reinstaling system) or if thats no go internal sstorage fault (as my old samsung galaxy tab had storage failure, started to awfuly lag from time to time and more and more, constantly runing out space, and after one reboot it couldnt boot in anymore, neather restor or instal system, twrp was stalling on half way)...

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Missing apps after HERO upgrade

I was wondering if anyone else was running into the problem I'm having, and if it has been covered before and I missed it in the search box earlier I apologize. I just recently tried to upgrade to JACHero2.6 and my market app (most important) along with several others are missing. The apps are automatically installed on all my other roms, it is only with hero that I end up missing alot of apps. I have a correctly formatted SD card and I did a wipe before I installed this and tried the whole process twice. If I am forgetting to do something special prior to installation or afterwards please let me know!!
darkphoenix2012 said:
I was wondering if anyone else was running into the problem I'm having, and if it has been covered before and I missed it in the search box earlier I apologize. I just recently tried to upgrade to JACHero2.6 and my market app (most important) along with several others are missing. The apps are automatically installed on all my other roms, it is only with hero that I end up missing alot of apps. I have a correctly formatted SD card and I did a wipe before I installed this and tried the whole process twice. If I am forgetting to do something special prior to installation or afterwards please let me know!!
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you may have gotten a bad download. try redownloading it again. do you have 3 partition (fat32 ext2/3 linux-swap) if not i suggest that for jac's 2.63 also make sure you check file extensions in recovery screen. hopefully this helps
Yes I have my card that exact format and I tried using the filesystem checker in the recovery screen it said filesystem check was complete!! I'll try doing the whole process over again but I'm not sure how that would help, and it is sad too this is the best damn hero rom i've tested to date, its fast as hell!! If it weren't for my apps not being here i wouldn't be planning on a future rom update in the near future or until some big release happens.
make sure you always check md5 sum of all your hero build download
you could of had a damaged downloaded rom and this could affect your rom.
Just tried to download a fresh copy of the rom, checked to make sure my sd card was working properly, wiped and re-flashed yet my market app and the same apps I was missing before is still missing. It should be included that apps on my ext2 were coming back like they should be just not all of them, and not a few apps that I thought should be included with the rom. Is there anything I should check that I may not have yet?
I would use Root Explorer to check if the apk files are still under system/sd/app if they aren't... well, there's no way you're going to see them again unless you re-install them. You can also look under system/sd/app_s if that's there. Other than that, if you can't find it, it's not there. (If you know the exact name of the file or at least part of the apk file name, under terminal type: find "file name" (w/o quotes ofc)
You can add wildcards (*) if you don't know the exact name of the file. If the apk file is still there... well... let's just see if its there first.
I checked using terminal, I typed "vending.apk" and tried to check the dir's you specified for the apks. If they are there I can't find them, although I am a bit limited as terminal is the only app that came loaded with which to check for files. If the apk files are indeed not there then why would the apps install on their own without a problem on any other build but hero??? I must be doing something wrong right? I am open to any suggestions at this point, even using a different rom to check for something, my goal is to have this rom flashed with my apps working soon!
heres the vending.apk from jachero 2.63 you can try and adb push it to /system/sd/app_s and see if it works.
Thanks, I'll try pushing that over but I'm still worried about the rest of the apps I'm missing. Would there be anything else I could try to make it possibly fix all the missing apps? What could be causing this problem in the first place? I did notice that my sd card has an ext2 rather than ext3 part, will that cause all of this to happen? I'm still pretty lost on this. I tried going back to another rom just to make sure my apps would still all pull up correctly, and they did so it has to be something related to this most recent build of jachero, or something
welcome to the club my friend (-;
i have the exact same problem and noone was able to help me yet.
It must have something to do with Jacs apps2sd method. i read some tweets between him and cyanogen that it might be a little 'rough'.
however - it's always the same apps that are missing, in my case it's (badly enough) launcher.apk AND rosie.apk which pretty much means that i can't solve it.
i also tried everything i could with ADB - without luck. I somehow have the feeling that theres something staying on the phone even when wiping and formatting.... I'll check this through ADB this evening.
look @ my recent posts:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search_rop.php?searchid=25731882
for previous moaning from myself ( (-; ) and discussion with others in the JACthread. Basically the last 15 - 20 posts are about nothing else (-;
I will also do some logcating today - i've already seen the errors through install (rosie.apk couldn't be parsed etc) but i forgot to save it (and the command promt only saves 100 lines or something)
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I would use Root Explorer to check if the apk files are still under system/sd/app if they aren't... well, there's no way you're going to see them again unless you re-install them. You can also look under system/sd/app_s if that's there. Other than that, if you can't find it, it's not there. (If you know the exact name of the file or at least part of the apk file name, under terminal type: find "file name" (w/o quotes ofc)
You can add wildcards (*) if you don't know the exact name of the file. If the apk file is still there... well... let's just see if its there first.
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I have used AndExplorer and put the APK's in the sys/sd/apps and it all worked fine. Very easy to do if you don't know how to push, just reboot after.
Can someone please tell me how i can get myfaves app on any mod im burning up my minutes thanks.
jivany said:
Can someone please tell me how i can get myfaves app on any mod im burning up my minutes thanks.
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You don't need to have the myfaves app for you myfave minutes to work. You are still calling them for free regardless if you have the icon or myfave compatible phone or whatever. If you want to manage the people just log on to mytmobile.com and make the changes there.
Hmmmmmmmm . I never realized thanks for pointing that out TurboTsi.
darkphoenix2012 said:
Thanks, I'll try pushing that over but I'm still worried about the rest of the apps I'm missing. Would there be anything else I could try to make it possibly fix all the missing apps? What could be causing this problem in the first place? I did notice that my sd card has an ext2 rather than ext3 part, will that cause all of this to happen? I'm still pretty lost on this. I tried going back to another rom just to make sure my apps would still all pull up correctly, and they did so it has to be something related to this most recent build of jachero, or something
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open up your copy of the build and check in system/app_s to see if the .apks are even in the build. if pushing the vending.apk works i dont mind posting the other ones you are missing if you want to pm me or something
Just tried opening the update.zip file and verified that all the apks are there. Which makes me wonder what exactly is up. Im thinking it could be an apps2sd issue, like what was said above. I didnt have this problem with older hero roms that i can remember. TBH I could try pushing apps with adb but that wouldn't bring back my other 3rd party apps floating in ext2 limbo. So I'm out of ideas ;(
darkphoenix2012 said:
Just tried opening the update.zip file and verified that all the apks are there. Which makes me wonder what exactly is up. Im thinking it could be an apps2sd issue, like what was said above. I didnt have this problem with older hero roms that i can remember. TBH I could try pushing apps with adb but that wouldn't bring back my other 3rd party apps floating in ext2 limbo. So I'm out of ideas ;(
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try going to the recovery console and entering upgrade_fs and that will change your ext2 to ext3 and see if wiping and flashing change anything. also if you have root explorer you can check your /system/sd folder to see if all of your third party apps are there
Just tried upgrade_fs and it gave me a "unable to allocate block" I noticed there is little if any room left on the ext2 partition. Would that cause all of this? If not would it be worth a shot to resize the partition and give it more space from my fat32 then try to upgrade wipe reload again?
If you're out of ideas, then I would attempt to resize first (but backup your fat32 first) and then see if that solves it, if not, then I would format, wipe, and update...
but are you sure those 3rd party apps are not there? Try using Root Explorer to determine if the 3rd Party Apps are there, if they are, just pull them to your sdcard and try installing them again with ASTRO or something like that.

Big file lost in system partition, how to find?!

Hello, i got a big issue, not 1st time it happens so i'd like to find out what's wrong, since the device doesn't have any working custom recovery and i don't wanna loose all! The issue is : while trying to uninstall/reinstall some game, the obb file is, for a reason i ignore, lost in the system/cache partition. I can know this simply because the free space isn't back and in storage, the "system" is much bigger than usual. The question is: HOW CAN I FIND the location of this damn file? Android experts that are around will probably be able to tell me this..
I already found the bastard! It's in mnt/shell/emulated/obb, if someone's ever got same issue
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goja said:
I already found the bastard! It's in mnt/shell/emulated/obb, if someone's ever got same issue
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Also some other directories:
USER APPS: /data/app
SYSTEM APPS: /system/app
APP DATA: /sdcard/Android/data
/sdcard/Android/obb
/external_sd/Android/data
/external_sd/Android/obb

Securely wiping old Android phone IMPOSSIBLE? - NO "encrypt" option

I need to wipe two Android Phones that do not have the "encrypt" option. I am selling them very soon so this is important. One phone is running stock Gingerbread, the other is using a custom rom running ICS 4.04.
I attempted a secure wipe on the ICS phone by choosing every wipe option found in TWRP (dalvik, cache,etc), then I did 2 factory resets and flashed a NEW ROM after that. Guess what..? I used the free program "DiskDigger" on my PC and I found THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of recoverable files. FULL pictures, not just thumbnails; I found videos, I found zip files, I found voice recordings, I found music, and more!
There is no way in hell I can sell these phones until I know they are CLEAN of my information. What pisses me off is that with iPhone, it's as simple as pressing "Erase All Content And Settings". That takes maybe 5 minutes tops and it works on iPhone's as old as the iPhone 3GS! I thought custom flashing a new rom and wiping cache in TWRP would do the trick but NOPE.
Can anyone help me?
I have an idea:
Just keep copying some random worthless files over and over till your memory fulls up
then do your erase and reset, check again with your DiskDigger again th make sure only the worthless files are retrievable instead of your personal.
Luaai said:
I have an idea:
Just keep copying some random worthless files over and over till your memory fulls up
then do your erase and reset, check again with your DiskDigger again th make sure only the worthless files are retrievable instead of your personal.
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Is this really my only option? If so, that is sad and scary at same time, because results are still not guaranteed.
For comparison's sake, I ran Recuva which found 1,243 files. It found A LOT less, so I am glad I tried DiskDigger first. Still, Recuva showed a lot of pictures, and even if they were recoverable, you can see the FULL picture in the preview window!
umirin said:
Is this really my only option? If so, that is sad and scary at same time, because results are still not guaranteed.
For comparison's sake, I ran Recuva which found 1,243 files. It found A LOT less, so I am glad I tried DiskDigger first. Still, Recuva showed a lot of pictures, and even if they were recoverable, you can see the FULL picture in the preview window!
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Look, when erase a file from your memory it dose not actually erase it, it just hide it from gallery or file explorer and mark it on memory allocation table to be overwritten when copy other file. So your best option is to overwrite with another worthless files. Just give it a try, you wont lose any thing.
I think you might also use any safe erase application or disk utility while connecting your phone as a USB memory. Google it.
Luaai said:
Look, when erase a file from your memory it dose not actually erase it, it just hide it from gallery or file explorer and mark it on memory allocation table to be overwritten when copy other file. So your best option is to overwrite with another worthless files. Just give it a try, you wont lose any thing.
I think you might also use any safe erase application or disk utility while connecting your phone as a USB memory. Google it.
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I know that flash memory is different from magnetic drives. I say it's not guaranteed because who knows how many files I have to copy over and over to replace the old stuff.
What I need is a proper sanitizing app like DBAN, but for Android. I am going to check Google Play tomorrow and see if I can find one that still works on Gingerbread and ICS. I have checked these kinds of apps in the past and they were all garbage; I could still recover files easily.
An update for you... I downloaded these two apps and ran them on both phones. Here are the results...
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pinellascodeworks.securewipe&hl=en - Secure Wipe
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aiuspaktyn.secureeraser&hl=en - Secure Eraser
On the stock Gingerbread phone, 3 photos were found by DiskDigger and I was able to preview them and recover them. Recuva found 20 files, the same 3 pictures, plus some overwritten garbage. I ran both apps AGAIN and got the same results, those same 3 photos were still there, intact. So what I then did was click on the photos in Recuva and selected "Secure Overwrite Checked". I ran the scans a THIRD time, Recuva first. It found 15 different files, 11 ignored all labelled as "unrecoverable" or "very poor". Only one photo was from before was found, but there was no preview. I recovered it, but no photo program could open it, so it looks to be successfully overwritten and corrupted.
On the phone running custom ROM ICS: I ran DiskDigger and it found 0 files; Recuva found 3 files after secure wiping. One was in "poor state" and two were in "excellent" state - a .bin file and .M file. I overwrote these files in Recuva and ran the scans a second time. DiskDigger found nothing, Recuva found 3, 14 ignored, all were "unrecoverable".
So I have some peace of mind now. Before running these Secure erase programs, DiskDigger found 99% of the contents on the phone that was running custom ROM ICS. So wiping dalvik cache, other cache, multiple factory resets, and flashing a new ROM did NOTHING!
If anyone has suggestions on other recovery programs, I will do a third check to put my mind at ease.
Wow... very surprised that there is no discussion on this. Do people not care about about the security of their devices?

A real amateur!!

Hello to the crew at XDA!!!
Thought I'd register and see if I can get a lil help/guidance from anyone.
I have the Oneplus one (recently discovered it is called bacon) , the 64gb model.
My story goes a lil something like this.........
I was playing around with my phone at the weekend and noticed it had TWRP, does this mean my phones been rooted? In my mind, TWRP menu would be bios on a pc.
Anyway, so I was looking around bios and somehow managed to delete everything off my phone, no apps and no contacts and I should of left this WELL alone but it was too late, I'd lost my phone :crying:
I have been trying to learn about flashing/dirty flash, md5's, ROMs, gapps,etc. I managed to get an OS on the phone but no apps. The gapps I tried to flash(install) just froze, thought it'd take time, I gave it time and so no joy. So I am wondering can someone guide me to the version I had on the phone before or tell me a better OS and corresponding gapps that can customize what google apps I can put on without slides,sheets,newsstand,stuff like that please? And I guess all I have has gone but I still have the files on my phone for example, CSR 2, Facebook, etc. Is there anyway of getting the apps I once had, as well as my contacts?
Please go easy on me, I'm totally new to all this and only learning because I had no choice but I am finding it quite interesting. I never knew there's so many OS options. Heard of rooting but the fear of bricking my phone kept me clear but I want my apps n stuff back, if poss.
Sorry for the looooong winded essay! but at least you know what I've done to lose all my stuff.
Your Patience is greatly appreciated!! :good:
G.
ll try to help , but sorry for my bad english btw
1. better OS , i think lineageOS is stable for now , im using that too , no problem so far. download the rom from official website ,and..
a. Link : https://download.lineageos.org/bacon
2. dont forget the gapps (openGapps) and make sure ur rom android version and the gapps are same
a. Link : http://opengapps.org/ , choose ARM -> 7.1 -> and for the variant , im using micro ,but its up to you
3. Procedure is pretty simple ,
a. put the file on ur internal storage
b. go to TWRP by pressing volume down and power at the same time and hold
c. once u booted up to twrp , choose wipe , and check data , cache , dalvik , and system (not internal , not again)
d. after it , go to install , and choose the rom , press add more zip , and choose the gapps , and u r good to go
e. press install and wait till it finished ,
f. Reboot
4. but sorry i cant help u about the apps and the contacts, but i think the contacts will automaticly sync once u sign in ur google account
hope it help thx , sorry for ma bad english once again
Hello Azhar_Farhy,
I do apologise for such a vacant response from me, busy days
Thank you for your reply I must say also.
I had tried as per your instructions and lineage OS did install but came up with flash errors, did write them down as:
Patching system image unconditionally
E: unknown command (log)
E: unknown command (log) in red letters
I also copied the md5sum, wrote it in txt in windows. Copied it into same place as OS flash but didn't find it??
So as for the OS goes, it's been unable to a point. It loads ok, the gestures are mixed up (I noticed 'V' brought up camera and 'O' brought up the torch), not that I use them anyhow. But using the browser, some pages work and alot don't so that's my issue with the OS.
Now with the gapps,
I had issues flashing this altogether. This came up with an error code 70?
Error as follows:
E: Error executing updater binary in zip''/sdcard/Download/open_gapps-arm-7.1-stock-201705010zip
Error flashing zip *followed by the same error path as above??
So as you might of guessed, I'm still without any apps and forced to use a tired s3 atm but may consider changing it up once it got the hang of it on the phone in question.
And in other news......, have a my contacts!!!! So that was a close call!! ??
I'll look forward to anyone's interested in the matter ☺.
G
Hello Azhar_Farhy,
I do apologise for such a vacant response from me, busy days
Thank you for your reply I must say also.
I had tried as per your instructions and lineage OS did install but came up with flash errors, did write them down as:
Patching system image unconditionally
E: unknown command (log)
E: unknown command (log) in red letters
I also copied the md5sum, wrote it in txt in windows. Copied it into same place as OS flash but didn't find it??
So as for the OS goes, it's been unstable to a point. It loads ok, the gestures are mixed up (I noticed 'V' brought up camera and 'O' brought up the torch), not that I use them anyhow. But using the browser, some pages work and alot don't so that's my issue with the OS.
Now with the gapps,
I had issues flashing this altogether. This came up with an error code 70?
Error as follows:
E: Error executing updater binary in zip''/sdcard/Download/open_gapps-arm-7.1-stock-201705010zip
Error flashing zip *followed by the same error path as above??
OPO doesn't have SD slot??
So as you might of guessed, I'm still without any apps and forced to use a tired s3 atm but may consider changing it up once i get used to the hang of flashing & code stuff. But I don't think I'll dig that deep down the rabbit hole
And in other news......, have a my contacts!!!! So that was a close call!!
I'll look forward to anyone's interested in the matter .
G
The two errors because of twrp not at latest version, but isn't a problem the flash isn't compromised. The gapps didn't flash because stock package is too big, use nano instead and download others from PlayStore. So wipe once again dalvik, system, data and cache then install lineageos + gapps and reboot, complete the first startup procedure with your google account and you will have your contacts back.
Gapps error 70 happens because you don't have enough space in root. You are trying to flash gapps-mini or higher. Flash micro and then download the other Google apps you need from the store.
Lisko said:
The two errors because of twrp not at latest version, but isn't a problem the flash isn't compromised. The gapps didn't flash because stock package is too big, use nano instead and download others from PlayStore. So wipe once again dalvik, system, data and cache then install lineageos + gapps and reboot, complete the first startup procedure with your google account and you will have your contacts back.
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Hi Lisko,
I chose the stock gapps package because I thought it would be the package that was on before I cleaned it off?
And I'm not able to get any apps at all, not even Google play is on the phone I tried to go to browser and download but it says it's already installed so yeah, a bit confused with that one mate lol ?
I'll give nano a try. Will this help the browser issue as well? Most browser windows crash and close???
Thanks for the response ?
seanwlk said:
Gapps error 70 happens because you don't have enough space in root. You are trying to flash gapps-mini or higher. Flash micro and then download the other Google apps you need from the store.
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His seanwlk,
I'm not sure i follow when you say 'enough space in root'? Could you break it down in layman's terms please ??
I was flashing stock gapps which occurred the error, which I thought stock would of been appropriate for the phone. But I do want to shave some apps off, you say to flash gapps mini. Lisko says nano. Is there alot of difference between the two, other than being lighter on space?
Thank you for your response ??
My-man-G said:
His seanwlk,
I'm not sure i follow when you say 'enough space in root'? Could you break it down in layman's terms please ??
I was flashing stock gapps which occurred the error, which I thought stock would of been appropriate for the phone. But I do want to shave some apps off, you say to flash gapps mini. Lisko says nano. Is there alot of difference between the two, other than being lighter on space?
Thank you for your response ??
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Mini is still too big, here is the packet comparison https://github.com/opengapps/opengapps/wiki/Package-Comparison
The only difference between these is basically the amount of gapps that it contains.
Flash micro and download the rest you need from play store.
With space in root I mean this:
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Mini is still too big, here is the packet comparison https://github.com/opengapps/opengapps/wiki/Package-Comparison
The only difference between these is basically the amount of gapps that it contains.
Flash micro and download the rest you need from play store.
With space in root I mean this:
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I'll give it a try now and I'll get back to you all.
Cheers
Good afternoon all.
Really sorry for being a month later to get back to you all but I've been snowed under the past month with work and just haven't had time to get back to you! Please accept my apologies
In regards to the lineage is and gapps, the OS does work but it's browser crashes on every page which is mostly annoying and so I tethered my phone to my tablet which works but I just discovered that chrome works without issues, so yeah, I got gapps and fully operational ☺. Found all my numbers and apps so happy days!!!!
I will ask though, is there another OS I could use as there's so e things I can't seem to remove like the shortcuts on lock screen? Either I've got torch or camera open when I get it out of my pocket, OS browser crashes. There was something else but I can't remember....
And even though the phone is operational, I had the same errors when flashing both the OS and gapps. Saying errors on both but work okay?
I'm not sure where to find "root storage" to know if it has enough space, if someone could explain that, would be really helpful please.
Is there any other OS platforms that are a bit more functional than lineage please? Or anything cool to stick on and be different from most phones? ??
Just want to thank you to all those that have been really helpful!!! ???
My-man-G said:
Good afternoon all.
Really sorry for being a month later to get back to you all but I've been snowed under the past month with work and just haven't had time to get back to you! Please accept my apologies
In regards to the lineage is and gapps, the OS does work but it's browser crashes on every page which is mostly annoying and so I tethered my phone to my tablet which works but I just discovered that chrome works without issues, so yeah, I got gapps and fully operational ☺. Found all my numbers and apps so happy days!!!!
I will ask though, is there another OS I could use as there's so e things I can't seem to remove like the shortcuts on lock screen? Either I've got torch or camera open when I get it out of my pocket, OS browser crashes. There was something else but I can't remember....
And even though the phone is operational, I had the same errors when flashing both the OS and gapps. Saying errors on both but work okay?
I'm not sure where to find "root storage" to know if it has enough space, if someone could explain that, would be really helpful please.
Is there any other OS platforms that are a bit more functional than lineage please? Or anything cool to stick on and be different from most phones? ??
Just want to thank you to all those that have been really helpful!!! ???
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If you're looking for customization I recommend Resurrection Remix.
link : https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/development/rom-resurrection-remix-t3507102
You had better flash nano gapps because of the size limit of system partition.
You can install other google apps such as chrome from play store.
[qQUOTE=psxda97;72762645]If you're looking for customization I recommend Resurrection Remix.
link : https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/development/rom-resurrection-remix-t3507102
You had better flash nano gapps because of the size limit of system partition.
You can install other google apps such as chrome from play store.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the advice psxda. :victory:
psxda97 said:
If you're looking for customization I recommend Resurrection Remix.
link : https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/development/rom-resurrection-remix-t3507102
You had better flash nano gapps because of the size limit of system partition.
You can install other google apps such as chrome from play store.
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Just checked this out on YouTube and it looks pretty cool so going to try it out!!! Thanks again psxda ?
I think I have nano gapps on but just downloaded remix.will flash later. After I see how to backup before I mess my phone up again ? and I ain't doing that again!!!!
It's good you can have a library of ROMs/gapps once their on the phone to switch n choose.
I'll let you know how I get on.
My-man-G said:
Just checked this out on YouTube and it looks pretty cool so going to try it out!!! Thanks again psxda ?
I think I have nano gapps on but just downloaded remix.will flash later. After I see how to backup before I mess my phone up again ? and I ain't doing that again!!!!
It's good you can have a library of ROMs/gapps once their on the phone to switch n choose.
I'll let you know how I get on.
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You can backup your device via TWRP
Hello people of XDA!
I'm back ??.
I hope all is well with everyone here?
Might as well cut to the chase.
Can someone guide me to the original Marshmallow os for the opportunity please?
I've had the resurrection remix and I thought it was cool as you can modify absolutely anything, BUT, at the cost of apps crashing, phone not lighting up when someone calls and has been very frustrating to say the least. And I never got round (till now) to mention it.
I think the phone is on its way out as the battery drains like crazy and for some reason, whilst it's not in use, it still remains warm and battery still goes, even whilst at work and is in my coat. So I'm thinking of trying to save the last bit of the phone before it completely goes to data heaven.
Can anyone help? Pretty please? ???*
Thank you guys in advance!!
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/guide-return-opo-to-100-stock-t2826541
A real amateur....strikes again!
C4SCA said:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/guide-return-opo-to-100-stock-t2826541
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Many thanks C4SCA for that link but I'm afraid I don't have a pc at hand. All I used was the phone to flash the files but with that link, flashing is not possible.
Is there another way to sort this dilemma....pretty please?
Thanks again.
A real amateur....strikes again! Technology isn't my friend...
Hi guys,
This just proves how much of an amateur i am. Spent the best part of about 35 mins writing my essay in 'quick reply', only for it to expire....and i was typing on my little Hudl2 keyboard....
So now i'm starting ALL over again, this time with otg cable and wireless keyboard. Let's see if i remember it all...... eh?
So in conclusion to your reply
C4SCA
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, i have only just found out how to tether my phone to pc for internet. 21 days later to your reply but i whole heartedly appreciate your help.
With the reply last night, not having a pc at hand, i wasn't at home but i had done some looking around online and found that the marshmallow os is no longer to be updated, so, therefore, i looked around for a new & stable os for the oneplus 'bacon' & came across the pie os from watching Max Lee's (high on android channel) on Youtube. Claiming it's stable and battery life is good (that was my attraction to this).
So.....first things first (and this was all done without a pc, last night).
I backed up my phone to my hdd using the otg cable and backed up via twrp recovery as advised before by
psxda97
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I then searched for the pie os and found it on XDA site. But as i watched further on Max Lee's channel, i needed to update the twrp recovery ( mine was v2.8.0? i think?). Found twrp version 3.2.3 img file. downloaded it via phone, swtiched to recovery and wiped phone but reinstalled Ressurection Remix (as i backed up to hdd but needed an os to operate) then flashed latest twrp.
Instead of rebooting phone from recovery (don't know why i did this??) but i switched off the phone and back on. Knowing all apps and contacts were gone, i wanted to see if twrp had updated it'self. So i switched off the phone again and back to recovery, only to see that it would not load recovery at all......? It just froze with the oneplus logo (not even with 'powered by Android' at the bottom).
It would switch off by holding down the power button, would go to fastboot, would power back up but never into recovery.
So then today get's better...........!!!!!
I watched more about adb & fastboot on various channels on youtube, online and guides via xda and thought this is my only option to get it back open. So i went home and tried to sort this mess out by:
1, opening development options on phone & enable debuggin
2,download adb driver & fastboot from Max Lee's site
3,unzipped and loaded them into my pc
4,reconnected phone to pc to activate the debuggin message on phone screen( was none?)
This didn't work as my pc said there wasn't a driver for the adb (error code 28).
I updated my pc, even via windows update to restart updates, as some had failed. Pc all up to date.
In device manager, tried manual search for driver path (to universal adb file), no luck. Then tried to find online, still, no luck as pc said to find vendor/website host? Most search for driver came up with the same Universal adb download.
Tried to then fix the code 28 by installing intels adb driver and other adb driver's and still no joy.
But the thing i found strange was in Programs (uninstall), both Universal adb & fastboot were there. just can't find the link between them to the phone?
So i'm very frustrated by technology so no need to shout at me for doing silly things.....But i guess that's how we learn to fix things i guess?
If anyone who has read this and willing to help a fool out, i sincerely appreciate this! :victory: PLEASE?
Without fastboot (code 28)
without twrp recovery
Basic Ressurection os
Without my contacts & apps & life stuff.
Not able to backup from hdd
Stuck............
FYI.
PC is Intel i3, running windows 7 32 bit. Should that help anyone with my issue.
Yours sincerely,
My-man-G
Have you go into fastboot mode? Turn off your phone, then boot using power+vol up.

Android data recovery - Root required or no?

Hey guys,
I have a query on recovering data from Android phone's internal storage.
The phone is J7 Pro (SM-J730GM) and I am trying to recover some deleted data from the phone.
I have tried UltData for Android but it only lists the data that is already present on the phone...it does not show the deleted data.
I tried DroidKit and it clearly states that 'Root required for Deep Scan'. Only quick scan available which is same as UltData (lists only data that is already present).
I did some research and it seems that without root, it is not possible to recover lost/deleted data.
I was wondering if anyone here has some knowledge/experience about this topic?
Is there any reliable tool out there that can recover data WITHOUT root? Or using commands via ADB shell ?
Root is the last thing I want to go for as it may sometimes brick the device.
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mru007 said:
Root is the last thing I want to go for as it may sometimes brick the device.
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First of all, unlocking the bootloader will erase all data of your internal storage.
To recover deleted files you investigate your storage to find file signatures.
When deleting a file only the corresponding entry in the partition table will be erased. But the data of your file itself remains physically on your storage until it gets overwritten.
Best practice for that is to create an image file of your entire storage. But at least you will need full access to your data partition '/userdata'. That requires an unlocked bootloader to install a custom recovery like TWRP and/or root. Both give you full access to /userdata at all levels, increasing your chances of successfully recovering your files.
Factory reset: Files that have been deleted by a factory reset are due to encryption of internal storage (file based) almost unrecoverable. Wiping all data also deletes the decryption key stored in the system. During the next boot process /userdata (which is empty) gets encrypted again but with different keys.
It's not mandatory to have root permissions but you must have an unlocked bootloader.
An USB connection to your PC is not suitable to recover deleted files. Both, ADB and storage access, won't open your file system directly. There's at least one system service on your phone that manages the data transfer, e.g. MTP.
WoKoschekk said:
First of all, unlocking the bootloader will erase all data of your internal storage.
To recover deleted files you investigate your storage to find file signatures.
When deleting a file only the corresponding entry in the partition table will be erased. But the data of your file itself remains physically on your storage until it gets overwritten.
Best practice for that is to create an image file of your entire storage. But at least you will need full access to your data partition '/userdata'. That requires an unlocked bootloader to install a custom recovery like TWRP and/or root. Both give you full access to /userdata at all levels, increasing your chances of successfully recovering your files.
Factory reset: Files that have been deleted by a factory reset are due to encryption of internal storage (file based) almost unrecoverable. Wiping all data also deletes the decryption key stored in the system. During the next boot process /userdata (which is empty) gets encrypted again but with different keys.
It's not mandatory to have root permissions but you must have an unlocked bootloader.
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Thanks for the detail info!
When I go to Developer options -> OEM unlocking, it says here "Bootloader already unlocked." So it's a good thing for proceeding further I suppose.
For TWRP installation, I checked the method but it says 'unlocking bootloader will Wipe Data.
Does installing TWRP automatically attempts to unlock bootloader (and hence the risk of wipe data?)
Here is the blog that list steps to root with TWRP and gives a bright red warning -
Root Samsung Galaxy J7 Pro SM-J730GM and Install TWRP Recovery
Easy tutorial to Root Samsung Galaxy J7 Pro SM-J730GM in easy steps. For rooting, you have to flash TWRP Recovery first through the guide.
www.androidweblog.com
So my q. is -
If I just install TWRP, does it pose a risk to automatically wipe data?
Any options in TWRP itself to recover deleted data?
The other way is to root the device using Magisk app which does not require TWRP, but a bit complicated process.
This is the blog I came across to root J7 Pro without TWRP -
Root Samsung Galaxy J7 Pro SM-J730GM/G using Magisk Without TWRP
Easy tutorial to Root Samsung Galaxy J7 Pro SM-J730GM/G in easy steps using Magisk. For rooting, you we have described Magisk method, without installing TWRP.
www.androidweblog.com
Hope TWRP method does not Wipe Data & rooting method does not brick the device.
Even if we follow all the steps properly, there is always a little chance that it may brick the device
WoKoschekk said:
An USB connection to your PC is not suitable to recover deleted files. Both, ADB and storage access, won't open your file system directly. There's at least one system service on your phone that manages the data transfer, e.g. MTP.
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Interesting.
I also tried mounting the phone internal storage as a 'disk drive' (with letter) using a tool called MTPdrive but then no data recovery software recognizes it as a 'valid' partition. It says invalid.
mru007 said:
If I just install TWRP, does it pose a risk to automatically wipe data?
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If your bootloader is already unlocked, it is very good news for you. TWRP doesn't unlock bootloader or wipe your data.
mru007 said:
Any options in TWRP itself to recover deleted data?
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No.
Follow the steps properly with the correct files to root your device.
Once successfully rooted, install a good data recovery app and try to recover your lost files.
Important thing to remember is that the more files you copy or install (i.e. the more changes you make to your file system), the lesser chance there will be to recover data because the system tries to use the space occupied by deleted data to write new files to it.
So do one thing at a time and make as little changes as possible to root your phone and install the data recovery app. Do your research first to find out the best options.
All the best!
mru007 said:
Any options in TWRP itself to recover deleted data?
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No, but you could do the following when TWRP runs:
1. Download the ADB/Fastboot tools here.
2. Extract the downloaded ZIP to C:\ and open the new created folder C:\platform-tools. You should see single files like adb.exe or fastboot.exe
3. In the address bar of your Explorer windows type cmd and hit Enter.
4. Connect the phone in TWRP mode via USB to your desktop PC and execute
Code:
adb devices
which should give you a output like this:
Code:
C:\platform-tools>adb devices
* daemon not running; starting now at tcp:5037
* daemon started successfully
List of devices attached
<SERIAL_NO> recovery
If any errors then tell us!
5. Execute
Code:
adb pull /dev/block/by-name/userdata
This pulls an image of your data partition right into the current folder C:\platform-tools.
But be aware!! The data image is as big as your total internal storage!
So, make sure there is enough free space on your storage.
If you successfully pulled the image, then I will explain you how to rescue the deleted data on it.
Even if you can recover files... the file and folder structure is lost forever. Jpegs will have no exif data, no time stamp etc. It will be a real mess.
The most you can do then is search for file type, for example jpegs. A sea of juxtaposed jpegs; every bloody jpeg on the drive.
You learned a valuable lesson on how fragile digital data can be, the hard way. Why didn't you use a SD card as the data drive? All critical data should be redundantly backup at least twice in addition to the SD card.
blackhawk said:
Even if you can recover files... the file and folder structure is lost forever. Jpegs will have no exif data, no time stamp etc. It will be a real mess.
The most you can do then is search for file type, for example jpegs. A sea of juxtaposed jpegs; every bloody jpeg on the drive.
You learned a valuable lesson on how fragile digital data can be, the hard way. Why didn't you use a SD card as the data drive? All critical data should be redundantly backup at least twice in addition to the SD card.
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I learnt my lesson the hard way in 2013 or 2014, but I was eventually lucky after spending 2 sleepless nights. Lost all files on my laptop hard disc by passing a command that I didn't fully understand. After 2 days and 2 nights which looked like eternal, and trying a dozen data recovery softwares that did nothing, I eventually found one that, in hindsight, was Godsend. That software actually recovered almost every single file and was also free back then. It was then that I created a backup plan for myself and it has worked well so far.
But you missed talking about cloud backups. They are actually much more secure since they are managed professionally, although they come with some privacy concerns.
TheMystic said:
I learnt my lesson the hard way in 2013 or 2014, but I was eventually lucky after spending 2 sleepless nights. Lost all files on my laptop hard disc by passing a command that I didn't fully understand. After 2 days and 2 nights which looked like eternal, and trying a dozen data recovery softwares that did nothing, I eventually found one that, in hindsight, was Godsend. That software actually recovered almost every single file and was also free back then. It was then that I created a backup plan for myself and it has worked well so far.
But you missed talking about cloud backups. They are actually much more secure since they are managed professionally, although they come with some privacy concerns.
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I never use cloud except for Gmail and text messages backups. Otherwise it's backed up at least 3-6 times on different drives, in different locations including time staggered copies. I may lose some data but never all...
blackhawk said:
I never use cloud except for Gmail and text messages backups. Otherwise it's backed up at least 3-6 times on different drives, in different locations including time staggered copies. I may lose some data but never all...
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That's one reason why you stick with the N10+ which is the last Samsung flagship with an external SD card. Since this feature isn't coming back on future flagships, you'll either have to settle with a budget device going forward, or get the 1 TB variants of Flagships, if you want access to your entire camera roll all the time.
In either case, you'll eventually run out of storage and may have to setup your own personal cloud server, if you have the required expertise to keep it safe for online access.
Cloud is not just about backups. It is also about having access to files all the time on multiple devices.
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That's one reason why you stick with the N10+ which is the last Samsung flagship with an external SD card. Since this feature isn't coming back on future flagships, you'll either have to settle with a budget device going forward, or get the 1 TB variants of Flagships, if you want access to your entire camera roll all the time.
In either case, you'll eventually run out of storage and may have to setup your own personal cloud server, if you have the required expertise to keep it safe for online access.
Cloud is not just about backups. It is also about having access to files all the time on multiple devices.
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Samsung. If they can't put out they will be kicked out. Another manufacturer will pick up the slack. Both Samsung and Gookill Android are a mess now; I will continue to use what fullfills my mission for the next 3+ years. No hurry here.
Currently I'm using about 510 gb of my 1tb capacity, plenty of room left. I also have 350/100gb available on internal.
With cloud you're at the mercy of your internet connection/bandwidth, always. It wastes battery and they will charge you for the "privilege" of high capacity storage.
Multiple more layers to cloud introduce new failure modes and vulnerabilities, KISS.
Lol, do you still trust Samsung servers?
In the future you will own nothing and be happy. Not me.
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With cloud you're at the mercy of your internet connection/bandwidth, always. It wastes battery and they will charge you for the "privilege" of high capacity storage.
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Internet today is cheap and convenience has a price. So it is okay.
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Multiple more layers to cloud introduce new failure modes and vulnerabilities, KISS.
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They have multiple redundancies built-in and I am positive they have systems in place to prevent catastrophe. I do use multiple cloud providers though, just in case.
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do you still trust Samsung servers?
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I don't have the expertise to keep a personal cloud server safe online.
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In the future you will own nothing and be happy. Not me
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I have local backups too. It's not like I'm completely dependent on them. The local backups are just backups, and I cannot access them online.
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I have local backups too. It's not like I'm completely dependent on them. The local backups are just backups, and I cannot access them online.
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If you had an SD card* you don't need to have internet access at all to do a full reload, anytime, anywhere. If you phone OS crashes the data on the SD card usually remains intact as well as in most hard display smashing drops.
A dual drive device trumps a single drive device every time.
*A OTG flashstick can be used but they are much slower. Backups can't be done in real time and one more critical piece of hardware to lose.
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If you had an SD card* you don't need to have internet access at all to do a full reload, anytime, anywhere. If you phone OS crashes the data on the SD card usually remains intact as well as in most hard display smashing drops.
A dual drive device trumps a single drive device every time.
*A OTG flashstick can be used but they are much slower. Backups can't be done in real time and one more critical piece of hardware to lose.
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You're focussing only on backups.
I'm also looking at multi-device access to all files. This is possible only with cloud, whether 3rd party or personally hosted one.
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If you had an SD card* you don't need to have internet access at all to do a full reload, anytime, anywhere. If you phone OS crashes the data on the SD card usually remains intact as well as in most hard display smashing drops.
A dual drive device trumps a single drive device every time.
*A OTG flashstick can be used but they are much slower. Backups can't be done in real time and one more critical piece of hardware to lose.
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You're focussing only on backups.
I'm also looking at multi-device access to all files. This is possible only with cloud, whether 3rd party or personally hosted one.
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You're focussing only on backups.
I'm also looking at multi-device access to all files. This is possible only with cloud, whether 3rd party or personally hosted one.
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Exactly. Android is the only internet portal I use.
My other Android only shares cloud Gmail and texting for security. My laptop internet/wifi access is always offline; completely physically firewalled. You might hack one device but never all three. All backup drives are always physically/electronically separate from the PC unless being used for backup. In the case of malware none of the backups are connected until the victim device is clean.
I've seen a Gmail account get hacked and become unrecoverable. Never had that happen to a backup hdd... in the end the only protection you have is sound data management. If you fail to do this you may lose your whole database.
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Exactly. Android is the only internet portal I use.
My other Android only shares cloud Gmail and texting for security. My laptop internet/wifi access is always offline; completely physically firewalled. You might hack one device but never all three.
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This is a very special use case. For most people, multi-device access is pretty common.
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I've seen a Gmail account get hacked and become unrecoverable.
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As in all emails got permanently deleted? And Google couldn't help?

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