This has already discussed in other posts here BUT I continue to see A LOT of people waiting for Nougat OTA like Santa Claus should bring to them... (or, even worse, trying to push it in their phones... )
So, I make this post just to give more visibility to all...
I'll try to write it clear...
Don't update your Z to Nougat by OTA!
Is it clear enough? :laugh:
Now some explainations...
Over the the common generic motivations (difficulties when not in full stock conditions, risk to brick it during process, OTAs that are the Evil... ), there is a strong one in this case: Nougat OTA for Moto Z (silently...) upgrades your bootloader too, from v. 90.xx to v. 91.xx...
This isn't really needed (Nougat runs flawlessly on v.90.xx too... ) BUT it introduces some tighter rules on what you can and what you can't anymore boot on it, limiting hacking and upgrading (to developed third part ROMs...) possibilities...
One of this rules is that with v. 91.xx bootloader you can't anymore boot to MM ROM!
Considering that as of today it seems that bootloader can't be donwgraded (some have soft/hard bricked their Z trying to downgrade it...), Nougat upgrade by OTA is a one way process.
If you consider that stock Nougat seems to have some bugs and issues (and, as of today, no Xposed available...!) and that some (all?) third part Nougat ROMs requires "MM" (v. 90.xx) bootloader to work, it seems not to be a great idea leave that Motorola upgrades silently your bootloader...
So?
So, at present, the best method (IMHO...) to upgrade to Nougat is that one which is described in OP of this thread: you will have a full stock Nougat BUT with older bootloader and the possibility to easily return to MM or to whatever ROM you want...
I already did nougat via ota for my moto z droid... Does this affect anything? Also how do i flash a factory nougat on my moto z droid if i want to stsrt fresh?
xterminater07 said:
I already did nougat via ota for my moto z droid... Does this affect anything? Also how do i flash a factory nougat on my moto z droid if i want to stsrt fresh?
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Considering we on the Moto Z droid don't have an unlockable bootloader and/or ability to root I don't see it effecting you negatively, other than an exploit that may be discovered for marshmallow that would allow for root. We are at the mercy of a kind developer taking on the task. I really miss my hotspot without a fee... But I can go back to my Moto X if it is necessary.
xterminater07 said:
I already did nougat via ota for my moto z droid... Does this affect anything? Also how do i flash a factory nougat on my moto z droid if i want to stsrt fresh?
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I agree with dap... proposed solution can't be used since of unlocked bootloader, BUT if I had a Droid I would have remained sticky to first SW release as long as possible because of the higher probabilities of a flaw to hack and root it...
With Nougat and newer (even more "locked"...) bootloader it will be harder...
those are a lot of steps... is there a way to just hide the nag/update screen that pops up? it keeps wanting to update or ask for a time to update or reminds me to update etc
enetec said:
So, at present, the best method (IMHO...) to upgrade to Nougat is that one which is described in OP of this thread: you will have a full stock Nougat BUT with older bootloader and the possibility to easily return to MM or to whatever ROM you want...
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Does the method you linked to even work with the VZW variant? It looks like it used to, but the Verizon stuff is all marked through and I'm not clear on the process.
hmmmfff... I have updated mine using OTA.. now I want to back to MM... but no way to do that...
aatjitra said:
hmmmfff... I have updated mine using OTA.. now I want to back to MM... but no way to do that...
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Hello did you try to get down to MM? Thank you
regards
iron maiden said:
Hello did you try to get down to MM? Thank you
regards
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No. I didn't.
I read in other thread that bootloader v91 won't work with MM.
Moto Z ( UAE ) no OTA yet
HI,
can anyone suggest which android 7 update is to be used for UAE users and how to install manually ?
How can i disable the OTA Update app opening all the god damn time? I mean seriously, every time i lock the screen and turn it back on, it annoys me by saying i need to update to Android 7, I DON'T ****ING WANT TO! Can someone PLEASE tell me how to disable this?
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How can i disable the OTA Update app opening all the god damn time? I mean seriously, every time i lock the screen and turn it back on, it annoys me by saying i need to update to Android 7, I DON'T ****ING WANT TO! Can someone PLEASE tell me how to disable this?
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You can't. The only thing you *can* do is tap the "Later" and then "Done" buttons. That will defer it for another 24 hours since it automatically fills in the phone's current time for the next check.
It's annoying, but it's only once a day.
EDIT: I thought you were referring to the VZW variant. If you're not and your phone is rooted, you might be able to disable or remove "Motorola Update Services". To do so, go to Settings > Apps > select "Show system" from menu (3 dots at top right) > scroll down and tap "Motorola Update Services"
I can't disable it on my VZW unit, but you might be able to. Or maybe you can remove the app via root (though I have no idea if that will cause further problems).
I too can confirm thr disabling motoservice in settings method. But you have to do it everytime you reboot your phone, it does t hurt me doing that.
I found a simple fix, get Titanium Backup and freeze that crap app, done.
yanniclord said:
I found a simple fix, get Titanium Backup and freeze that crap app, done.
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There is another way for users with root eventually...
saif_khans said:
HI,
can anyone suggest which android 7 update is to be used for UAE users and how to install manually ?
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Simply use the method linked in OP. It uses retmx sw.
True, I updated via Ota and now I can not install custom roms, will in the future have a solution to this problem? Because we all know that by unlocking the bootloader we lose the warranty, but we do this because we want to have options to install on our devices.
Could any dev have managed to fix this in the future roms?
sam564 said:
True, I updated via Ota and now I can not install custom roms, will in the future have a solution to this problem? Because we all know that by unlocking the bootloader we lose the warranty, but we do this because we want to have options to install on our devices.
Could any dev have managed to fix this in the future roms?
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Which variant do you have? @erfanoabdi suggested in another thread that they might have root figured out for the VZW variant in the next couple of days. No idea if what they're working on will be applicable to the Nougat.
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Which variant do you have? @erfanoabdi suggested in another thread that they might have root figured out for the VZW variant in the next couple of days. No idea if what they're working on will be applicable to the Nougat.
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Variants doesn't matter all moto z is using same kernel source (I have Chinese moto z)
Let me explain, I'm trying to port farm-root for moto z
Here's the source : https://github.com/freddierice/farm-root
If anyone knows how to deal with ndk and other Stuffs, can install TWRP with this version of farm-root
But I'm trying to make it easier and here's big barrier called SELinux
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Which variant do you have? @erfanoabdi suggested in another thread that they might have root figured out for the VZW variant in the next couple of days. No idea if what they're working on will be applicable to the Nougat.
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Hope it happens. The phone (accidentally?) Downloaded the update and is now asking to install. I'm afraid one day it'll just automatically update on it's own.. I can't seem to find where the system update got downloaded to, otherwise I'd delete it
Since it seems to be a common issue that rooting nougat on the honor 8 is a crapshoot at best, it seems like the way to go is flash the pre-rooted images for each model.
Can we please list them all in this one thread so it can be done?
Better yet, can we have a proper rooting thread for nougat including the proper version of TWRP, the instructions on how to unlock bootloader and all the pre-rooted images?
Right now its a mess, and any newcomer is not going to be able to find anything.
Personally I'm waiting for a patch from Huawei for all the bugs on B360. But it seems like we'll never get it/get pushed to the end.
Hey guys,
after all these good messages (like DRM Backup/fix etc.) i consider to root my device finally, like i did with my old Z1. but im also interested in the new pie update to test it out. So im asking myself for some weeks now:
Should i finally root or wait till the update? i heard about the problem of downgrading that, once u get the update you couldn't downgrade to the exploitable fw. What's more, I want to keep my warranty (i know that drm backup is working but the message, that my device cannot be trusted is still there at every boot). i use several banking apps that checks for root and my experience with magisk and root hiding weren't so good at all.
Thats my current situation. Should i root or not?
Irrespective of the Android Version, Rooting on XZP requires you to UNLOCK the bootloader and loosing your DRM KEYS.
so the solution is either xperifix or posts in XDA offering kernels of specific builds for you to flash.
1. lets say you are on OREO and unlock your bootloader, if you wana root that oreo version, you must find the post on XDA offering modded kernels W.R.T that buildnumber for you to flash and flash drmfix.zip & finally flash Magisk.
2. let say you are on PIE, again you will do the same, but I am not sure they already have modded kernels available on xda or not. so make sure!!!
the third option is always (disputed tool on xda known as) xperifix.
YasuHamed said:
Irrespective of the Android Version, Rooting on XZP requires you to UNLOCK the bootloader and loosing your DRM KEYS.
so the solution is either xperifix or posts in XDA offering kernels of specific builds for you to flash.
1. lets say you are on OREO and unlock your bootloader, if you wana root that oreo version, you must find the post on XDA offering modded kernels W.R.T that buildnumber for you to flash and flash drmfix.zip & finally flash Magisk.
2. let say you are on PIE, again you will do the same, but I am not sure they already have modded kernels available on xda or not. so make sure!!!
the third option is always (disputed tool on xda known as) xperifix.
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Im aware that i have to unlock the BL and all that stuff that i have to flash, thats not the problem at all. im just not sure if i should wait for the update (since some people experience some problems and they said they couldn't downgrade) and root or not. im currently waiting for the OTA update since my provider is vodafone and they take their time before releasing the fw. the benefits of the new updates, that i heard, are just some fixes for Android, new design for the camera ui, full hd ultra slow mo and some ui changes on xperia home. or did i miss some new functions?
If you unlook the BL, OTA didn't work anymore : so you must upgrade the phone by yourself. Via newflasher or (if you've a ftf file flash tool) you can up and downgrade when ever you want. I didn't know exactly in this this moment, how to hold the user data.... you lost in this moment only the feature video enhanced (something with X-....) if you unlook the BL and upgrade to Pie
Hi all, I'm relatively new to the Android world and seeking help from experts here.
I recently bought a used S7 (SM-G930K), it came with Android 8.0 and I want to downgrade to 7.0.
I tried downgrading using its stock firmware with Odin. Attempted many times but only realized that it can only be downgraded as far as the bootloader version goes.
Think my S7 was on bootloader version 2. So as checked for the available stock firmwares, the "earliest" version 2 was still on Android 8.0 (PDA G930KKKU2ERJ1 and CSC G930KKTC2ERJ1).
Anyone can advise me how to go about downgrading to Android 7.0? Though this S7 may not be my primary phone and there's obviously no warranty, I won't want to brick anything.
Do I have to downgrade the bootloader version to 1.0 first? And how do I do that?
Apologies, do excuse these noob questions, I'm not familiar with many Android terms. Cheers!
Model: S7 SM-G930K (KT Telco)
Android version: 8.0
Baseband version: G930KKKU2ERJ1
Security patch: Oct 1, 2018
Basically, on Samsung phones, once you upgrade your bootloader, they put a lock on it, so you can never downgrade it, for security reasons, of course.
The only thing you can do is flashing custom rom, or stock rom with custom recovery & kernel.
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Basically, on Samsung phones, once you upgrade your bootloader, they put a lock on it, so you can never downgrade it, for security reasons, of course.
The only thing you can do is flashing custom rom, or stock rom with custom recovery & kernel.
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I see, now i understand why..
"Custom roms" - does this mean it's made by users like us? And what does "stock rom with custom recovery & kernel" mean?
Can you point me where can i find these roms for my S7? Is it the same as flashing them on Odin?
Many thanks!
Yes custom ROM's are community made. The kernal is kind of like the foundation that sits beneath the ROM, so you can use the official ROM but run a custom kernal to tweak phone behaviour.
Flashing ROM's involves using TWRP instead of Odin. If you're going down that path I would recommend you read very carefully and educate yourself, instead of just gung ho'ing it. Wouldn't want to brick your device.
It's also worth mentioning while you can flash an older custom ROM via TWRP, that doesn't downgrade your bootloader with it. Having a newer bootloader on an older ROM can cause issues.
Most custom ROM's are also made for G930F, while some also support the G930K you may want to make sure before flashing anything.
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Yes custom ROM's are community made. The kernal is kind of like the foundation that sits beneath the ROM, so you can use the official ROM but run a custom kernal to tweak phone behaviour.
Flashing ROM's involves using TWRP instead of Odin. If you're going down that path I would recommend you read very carefully and educate yourself, instead of just gung ho'ing it. Wouldn't want to brick your device.
It's also worth mentioning while you can flash an older custom ROM via TWRP, that doesn't downgrade your bootloader with it. Having a newer bootloader on an older ROM can cause issues.
Most custom ROM's are also made for G930F, while some also support the G930K you may want to make sure before flashing anything.
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Definitely will be more mindful as rooting does involve some kind of risk of bricking my phone.
Wow that's great info, really appreciate you explaining this to me.
Something new I've learnt! :good:
Hello,
Just got a S10e. Should I go ahead and upgrade it? It's pestering me to update the phone's software but I don't want to ruin my chances to root.
OneUI v3.1
Android v11
Baseband G970U
My goal is to root and get Viper4Audio back on my phone. Can anyone give me a brief rundown on what to update or not, what ROMs are best for whatever reasons, etc?
Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
Here is the link you need to look at. https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...unlock-for-samsung-us-canada-devices.4215101/
Depends on what boot loader version you are on.