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Hi, I want to take on an xda via orange.
I'd be using the gprs for accessing web page data and wondered whether there's any way of estimating what useage levels I may hit?
I guess I can get some data from my b'band provider (BT OPenworld) and run a rough comparision but do page impressions via gprs / xda work out about the same mb count as via PC / broadband?
I ran a search but couldn't see this on the forum; apologies if it's been questioned b4
Thanks all
Charles
CharlesJS said:
Hi, I want to take on an xda via orange.
I'd be using the gprs for accessing web page data and wondered whether there's any way of estimating what useage levels I may hit?
I guess I can get some data from my b'band provider (BT OPenworld) and run a rough comparision but do page impressions via gprs / xda work out about the same mb count as via PC / broadband?
I ran a search but couldn't see this on the forum; apologies if it's been questioned b4
Thanks all
Charles
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http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/gprsmonitor/?en
This proramme does a good job, but unfortunately not free, can sometimes affect alarms by disabling notifications tho :wink:
thanks, chop. But I was thinking more along the lines of somehow estimating in advance based upon my current useage.
I recollect somewhere a quote that an average web page is 50k of data so if you're going to be accessing 20 pages that'd be 50x20 ie 1000k of data.
I guess I can change contracts and bundles if I need to anyhow?
if you want anything near that you need to make sure it dont display pictures i mean 1 picture would be larger then 50K
I've put off getting a smartphone as long as possible, but did enough research that I think the Triumph on Virgin's $35 plan with Google voice is a smart way to go. I still have some questions about this new OS, programs, and environment, and really like the smart people on this forum, and hope you won't mind a few questions.
-What’s the best VOIP app for working with Google Voice? I've come across GrooVe IP, but would like reassurance whether it's the best option. I'd like to make calls over wifi, but I'd also like to know whether Virgin Mobile's 3g coverage is fast enough for voip (generally...). I wouldn't want to do this routinely as I'd be afraid they'd throttle me. But I would like someone who knows to share their opinion.
-How do I find out my wifi signal strength? 3G strength? GPS strength? Or even just where I can learn what the icons on the top bar stand for, and what their range is? There must be a good app for this, and I'd love a recommendation.
-If I wanted the option, how (specifically) would I switch from making a voip/data plan outgoing call to the regular phone cell plan? Would Android be smart enough to do this automatically without a wifi signal? Or would I need to change a setting in Google Voice? Any thoughts most appreciated.
-How do I find what apps are running (in background?)? Percentage of system resources, and how to kill them? I’m guessing there are apps for that. Does Android kill a process when you return to home screen? What are some of the general rules?
-I have a mac. I’m guessing most of the programs that let you manage files, root the phone, install Cyanogen mods, etc, are PC based. I found Android File Transfer, but am not clear on it's limits. Are there better options? What will the AFT program be good for? [Emulating PC’s is a pain I would rather avoid, but I have been thinking of running virtual box to donate some processing time to the Large Hadron Collider, so I might be able to run some of these PC programs]. Any advice most welcome.
-Any skins or options to turn the google apps into light text on dark background? (I'm aware of and have used the option in Gmail). I hate black text on white background. I'm kooky that way.
This Android phone is good looking, the plan costs much less than a thousand a year (which I refuse to pay), and I LOVE the Google voice options to turn your text and calls into computer files which you can archive as you wish. The Google voice activation / text / search is far superior to iAnything, voip/wifi is the balls, and I think a lot people who've been holding off from getting a smartphone will jump on this combo, and this thread may help them. Many thanks...
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-How do I find out my wifi signal strength? 3G strength? GPS strength? Or even just where I can learn what the icons on the top bar stand for, and what their range is? There must be a good app for this, and I'd love a recommendation.
-How do I find what apps are running (in background?)? Percentage of system resources, and how to kill them? I’m guessing there are apps for that. Does Android kill a process when you return to home screen? What are some of the general rules?
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With respect to these questions, I'm not an expert, but I'll provide a list of programs I use.
For WiFi signal strength, I'd recommend Wifi Analyzer from the Market. For 3G strength, I'd recommend Cellumap. For GPS Strength, GPS Status + Toolbox or GPS Test.
The manual for the phone can be found on either the VMUSA or Motorola web site. It will explain some of the icons. Although when using the phone, I often see stuff not explained in the manual.
For examining the phone's processes, I recommend SystemPanel from the Market (paid for version has history), and/or Android Status.
There are people that tell you NOT to kill anything on the Android OS manually. I use 1Tap Cleaner and Advanced Task Killer from the market if I see the phone behaving a bit sluggish. Android OS loads stuff in memory readying it for future use. How it does so (intelligently) I don't know. I see stuff being partially loaded I never use. I have never had a problem using either program.
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GrooveIP works great over 3g...I dunno how much we will be able to use it once they start capping data..bastards
dcnblues said:
-What’s the best VOIP app for working with Google Voice? I've come across GrooVe IP, but would like reassurance whether it's the best option. I'd like to make calls over wifi, but I'd also like to know whether Virgin Mobile's 3g coverage is fast enough for voip (generally...). I wouldn't want to do this routinely as I'd be afraid they'd throttle me. But I would like someone who knows to share their opinion.
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GrooVe IP is actually the only thing i've bothered to use because it worked well enough, I havn't put it to test over 3g... In the future, you can root the phone and update it to sprint PRL (Their towers instead of VMU) - People have reported up to like 6-900kbps doing this... I would suggest to not factor this last suggestion in yet as you won't be extremely comfortable with your first smart phone being messed with (But a possibility nonetheless)
dcnblues said:
-How do I find out my wifi signal strength? 3G strength? GPS strength? Or even just where I can learn what the icons on the top bar stand for, and what their range is? There must be a good app for this, and I'd love a recommendation.
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i will back the suggestion of wifi analyzer, it will map out locations of wifi/cellular tower, it gave me beef on another phone that ran @ 600mhz but this one is 1000mhz.
dcnblues said:
-If I wanted the option, how (specifically) would I switch from making a voip/data plan outgoing call to the regular phone cell plan? Would Android be smart enough to do this automatically without a wifi signal? Or would I need to change a setting in Google Voice? Any thoughts most appreciated.
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With grooveip and google voice it will ask you on all outbound calls after you press dial: Would you like to make this call with.... A) non-Google Voice B) Google Voice (same story w/ sending an sms except it will ask when you create the sms because google voice has it's own sms application, keep in mind w/ gvoice you can forward calls to your google chat account (and that's what makes grooveip ring instead of forwarding the call to your cellular number[i think])
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-How do I find what apps are running (in background?)? Percentage of system resources, and how to kill them? I’m guessing there are apps for that. Does Android kill a process when you return to home screen? What are some of the general rules?
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there are tons of application managers and task killers, I recommend to ignore all of them.... Someone brought a Samsung Prevail(Boost mobile Galaxy) into work the other day(Radioshack) - Anytime they killed tasks their touchscreen went out till reboot.... Android is supposed to self manage tasks and processes... realistically you just have to make sure not to leave your bluetooth wifi and gps on all the time... Also taking the screen brightness down a fuzz from max will help batt life tremendously... Android will suspend a process and kill an activity when you return to homescreen.... What I mean by that is that if you're in the browser and you hit home then you go back to the browser, you're on the same page still... but likely not to have any of your text still there if you were in an input field.... (This is probably an inaccurate example due to programmers being able to add a save activity state [this is something that when you for example hit back or hold the home button down to switch applications will store your current information, so when you're editing the text field it will save that data, THEN kill the activity/suspend it so that when you return it is still there, but the process is not draining the battery down at the moment.])
One of androids key attributes is the quick application switching via holding down the home button but some applications like pandora will run 'ongoing' so that you can multitask, while others will suspend so that you can save battery.... Kind of as a rule of thumb, unless it is monitoring or actively outputting it will be suspended.... so apps like pandora and wifi tethering continue to function when you switch applications because tehy'er ongoing whereas a note editor application would suspend itself untill it's brought back to focus because how are you going to type without it forefront?
dcnblues said:
-I have a mac. I’m guessing most of the programs that let you manage files, root the phone, install Cyanogen mods, etc, are PC based. I found Android File Transfer, but am not clear on it's limits. Are there better options? What will the AFT program be good for? [Emulating PC’s is a pain I would rather avoid, but I have been thinking of running virtual box to donate some processing time to the Large Hadron Collider, so I might be able to run some of these PC programs].
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First off nice LHC Mac joke I take it we're running the server edition cause hey, more is never enough.
I honestly can't tell you much from the mac POV other than that it would hopefully work the same as the linux instructions but i kind of expect version/dependency differences... to be fair this triumph is rootable by application ran on the phone (Which you can GMail to yourself and download as attatchment, bluetooth, wifi shared folder, usb mounting, or download directly to the phone..) The custom recovery is installed via drag and drop on USB Removable Disc so it's not nearly as bad as some of the other phones would be,
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-Any skins or options to turn the google apps into light text on dark background? (I'm aware of and have used the option in Gmail). I hate black text on white background. I'm kooky that way.
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Feel free to, they exist, I would however suggest against them... I walk to work a lot and it's a pain in the ass to read those emails when you have the sun on the screen; granted everything is harder this was damn near impossible... Nonetheless check for the black apps listed in xda/android/themes and apps... I'll link soon. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1206774
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This Android phone is good looking, the plan costs much less than a thousand a year (which I refuse to pay), and I LOVE the Google voice options to turn your text and calls into computer files which you can archive as you wish. The Google voice activation / text / search is far superior to iAnything, voip/wifi is the balls, and I think a lot people who've been holding off from getting a smartphone will jump on this combo, and this thread may help them. Many thanks...
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I would like to point out that with the GVoice extension/app for google chrome
you can continue your SMS conversations that way... I recieved one of the CR48s and this has been AWESOME for me.
As far as voip services, I have found using 3g too slow. That said I do recommend sipdroid. It will setup a pbx account for you using your google voice number. Upon connecting to wifi, sipdroid will start running allowing you to make and receive calls.
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Thanks guys for the very useful help. I'm kind of burned out on all the research, and kind of bummed that this red-hot, billion dollar business seems to be run by such morons. SO many unnecessary complications to offering consumers simple, workable products and services.
This has been a great help.
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GrooveIP works great over 3g...I dunno how much we will be able to use it once they start capping data..bastards
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I'm actually kind of grateful to Virgin Mobile for the $35 dollar plan. I can communicate via voice to text, for a fair price, so until I have a real problem, I'm not going to call them bastards. Until I have a problem, of course...
I do hate the BS in advertising 'unlimited' plans, but having them smirking in their headquarters as they say to themselves 'but we didn't say at what rate...'
On the other hand, people downloading movies over cell frequencies aren't exactly providing solutions to the problem either...
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GrooVe IP is actually the only thing i've bothered to use because it worked well enough, I havn't put it to test over 3g... In the future, you can root the phone and update it to sprint PRL (Their towers instead of VMU) - People have reported up to like 6-900kbps doing this... I would suggest to not factor this last suggestion in yet as you won't be extremely comfortable with your first smart phone being messed with (But a possibility nonetheless)...Android is supposed to self manage tasks and processes... realistically you just have to make sure not to leave your bluetooth wifi and gps on all the time... Also taking the screen brightness down a fuzz from max will help batt life tremendously... Android will suspend a process and kill an activity when you return to homescreen....
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Dude, thanks very much. For this and all the information. Colossally useful.
Groove IP is actually having a problem today due to some change in the Google servers. Hope it's resolved soon as I'd like to get this running.
Quick confirm: Triumph is LCD and not AMOLED, Correct?
BradyBound is a minimalist download speed shaper/limiter.
This is useful if you're on 3G or LTE and don't want videos and songs to download fast, burning through your data. Few things to note:
Requires ROOT.
Support depends on the kernel.
The speed limit you set does not persist across reboots.
Source code is available at: https://github.com/oxplot/bradybound
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Thx it's working great on Android 5.0. I asked you this in another thread but I guess is more appropriate here, is it possible to limit the upload speed also?
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Thx it's working great on Android 5.0. I asked you this in another thread but I guess is more appropriate here, is it possible to limit the upload speed also?
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It's technically possible if that's what you're asking. It's actually pretty easy to implement too so I may look into it when I have some free time.
Out of curiosity, why do you need upload shaping?
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It's technically possible if that's what you're asking. It's actually pretty easy to implement too so I may look into it when I have some free time.
Out of curiosity, why do you need upload shaping?
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I'd like to limit Google photos auto-backup speed, having 4 different devices in the family with two teenage girls constantly taking hundreds of photos, well, it's not a good internet experience. I already have a slow download speed and even slower upload speed that seems to clog everything whenever something is uploading at "full" speed. Another question.. can this be done on a per-app basis? Maybe I'm asking too much lol
tavocabe said:
I'd like to limit Google photos auto-backup speed, having 4 different devices in the family with two teenage girls constantly taking hundreds of photos, well, it's not a good internet experience. I already have a slow download speed and even slower upload speed that seems to clog everything whenever something is uploading at "full" speed. Another question.. can this be done on a per-app basis? Maybe I'm asking too much lol
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I see. Personally, I would do this on my wireless router (it's tomato based, so you can limit upload speed per IP). The app has a limitation where the limit is lifted on each reset. Hence I'm not sure if it's appropriate for your use case.
Regarding per app limits, from top of my head, no. It would require changes to the core platform.
I'd like to use this app to limit data usage while using my phone for connection sharing (wifi tethering, tablets running netflix, youtube, etc. while travelling). I have a 5 GB cap per month and I'd like it to last as long as possible. I know it's possible to limit netflix and youtube data usage in the settings, but it's inconvenient. But then I read this thread: http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/53267/how-to-limit-bandwidth-usage/53274#53274
The 2nd commenter says that rate limiting data transfers don't work since the limit is only in the device and that the network still sends all the data at full speed to the device where it is discarded and has to be resent (resulting in HIGHER data usage that without rate limiter). It sounds a bit strange to me, but has anyone tested if this guy is correct?
This seems like the best app to keep youtube from fully buffering beforehand. Great work.
sulfobus said:
I'd like to use this app to limit data usage while using my phone for connection sharing (wifi tethering, tablets running netflix, youtube, etc. while travelling). I have a 5 GB cap per month and I'd like it to last as long as possible. I know it's possible to limit netflix and youtube data usage in the settings, but it's inconvenient. But then I read this thread: http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/53267/how-to-limit-bandwidth-usage/53274#53274
The 2nd commenter says that rate limiting data transfers don't work since the limit is only in the device and that the network still sends all the data at full speed to the device where it is discarded and has to be resent (resulting in HIGHER data usage that without rate limiter). It sounds a bit strange to me, but has anyone tested if this guy is correct?
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Author of BradyBound here. That commenter is partially right. It is true that the phone cannot prevent the network provider from sending as many packets as the link allows and that the phone can only drop/discard packets that have already arrived. However, it is not true that data usage would be higher than if not using the app. Let me explain:
When you start watching a youtube video, the data is sent from youtube through a series of "routers" before it gets to your phone (the last router being your phone carrier). The link bandwidth between these routers can vary. Almost always, the link between your carrier and you (e.g. 3G/4G link in this case) is going to be the slowest of all the links. No router knows about the link speed of any other link but those it's connected to directly. So youtube doesn't know how fast your 3G link is or even if it's 3G and not dial-up. Hence it starts sending data in increasing speeds until your carrier router saturates your 3G/4G link. At this point, the carrier router is going to "drop/discard" packets it receives that cannot be sent due to bandwidth limit. Now you may ask, how is it that no part of the video is missing OR why the waste of sending data that cannot be delivered. The answer lies in the upper level protocols of the Internet, namely the TCP which sits directly beneath the actual data (e.g. video, HTML pages, etc.). TCP creates reliable virtual connections between two ends (ie your phone and youtube) by ensuring each packet arrives and if any packets are lost, they are resent. TCP is also responsible for rate-limiting the data stream which happens when packet loss is detected.
Now back to BradyBound. When you set a limit, the app instructs the OS to drop packets when the limit is reached. The TCP layer detects this and tells youtube servers about it. They in turn lower their transmission rate. So yes, it is true that some traffic is wasted, but only a small amount. This was all theory. To test, connect to your home WiFi, use BradyBound to set a low limit, like 50KB/s and start downloading a big file. Then in your home router, look at the download rate. It should either match that of your phone's exactly or should be a few KB more.
Note that only TCP has this rate-limiting feature. If TCP is not used (rarely happens, only in case of telephony apps), no app can help you. Your only other option is to force your phone to use a slower connection, like 2G.
Thanks for your detailed reply, appreciated. It makes sense that youtube/netflix will automatically switch to lower quality. I'll try it out during the next couple of months.
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Source code is now available at https://github.com/oxplot/bradybound
tavocabe said:
Thx it's working great on Android 5.0. I asked you this in another thread but I guess is more appropriate here, is it possible to limit the upload speed also?
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To limit upload speed on data and wifi you can use Bandwidth ruler Free and Bandwidth ruler Pro. It requires root. Dedicated thread:
[APP][2.1+] Bandwidth manager for android [root/non root]
Is there a version that works with Android 4.1+?
Thank you: Works perfectly!
Thanks a lot for this, bud. Had to do a lot of R&D and this was by far the best app that I could find to do what I want to do: limit data usage on my cellphone.
Thanks again.
oxplot said:
BradyBound is a minimalist download speed shaper/limiter.
This is useful if you're on 3G or LTE and don't want videos and songs to download fast, burning through your data. Few things to note:
Requires ROOT.
Support depends on the kernel.
The speed limit you set does not persist across reboots.
Source code is available at: https://github.com/oxplot/bradybound
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Hi oxplot ...
Is there any way to make the settings persistent across reboots ?!!
Such as by using the app "Tasker" or by manually running a script !!!
I agree
oxplot said:
Author of BradyBound here. That commenter is partially right. It is true that the phone cannot prevent the network provider from sending as many packets as the link allows and that the phone can only drop/discard packets that have already arrived. However, it is not true that data usage would be higher than if not using the app. Let me explain:
When you start watching a youtube video, the data is sent from youtube through a series of "routers" before it gets to your phone (the last router being your phone carrier). The link bandwidth between these routers can vary. Almost always, the link between your carrier and you (e.g. 3G/4G link in this case) is going to be the slowest of all the links. No router knows about the link speed of any other link but those it's connected to directly. So youtube doesn't know how fast your 3G link is or even if it's 3G and not dial-up. Hence it starts sending data in increasing speeds until your carrier router saturates your 3G/4G link. At this point, the carrier router is going to "drop/discard" packets it receives that cannot be sent due to bandwidth limit. Now you may ask, how is it that no part of the video is missing OR why the waste of sending data that cannot be delivered. The answer lies in the upper level protocols of the Internet, namely the TCP which sits directly beneath the actual data (e.g. video, HTML pages, etc.). TCP creates reliable virtual connections between two ends (ie your phone and youtube) by ensuring each packet arrives and if any packets are lost, they are resent. TCP is also responsible for rate-limiting the data stream which happens when packet loss is detected.
Now back to BradyBound. When you set a limit, the app instructs the OS to drop packets when the limit is reached. The TCP layer detects this and tells youtube servers about it. They in turn lower their transmission rate. So yes, it is true that some traffic is wasted, but only a small amount. This was all theory. To test, connect to your home WiFi, use BradyBound to set a low limit, like 50KB/s and start downloading a big file. Then in your home router, look at the download rate. It should either match that of your phone's exactly or should be a few KB more.
Note that only TCP has this rate-limiting feature. If TCP is not used (rarely happens, only in case of telephony apps), no app can help you. Your only other option is to force your phone to use a slower connection, like 2G.
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I think I agree with this
The only way to limit your data rate is by using a slower form of network is 2g(Edge)
Haven't tested the app though
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Is there any desktop (PC) software that can limit TCP to control high internet speed to save data ?
Hi dear, thank you for this lovely app
Could you be so kind to tell me what should I launch from bash to achieve a similar result (I mean by using root with iptables command)
Thanks a lot in advance
Hi!,
I have currently three apps on Google play. For the two of the apps, I already had a group of audience beforehand so I had acceptable number of downloads. In case of a third app, "Walkie Talkie" , which is a more general app than audience specific, I have very poor downloads. What I would like to know is if there are any tips or tricks on getting more downloads for my app.
It is a free Walkie Talkie app, that lets you do a push to talk communication with other android devices that have installed this app. Also how can I get it reviewed on xda forum? My app's url is:
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Walkie Talkie on Google Play
Hope I get some response on this one.Im new to xda forum.
Thanks
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Hi!,
I have currently three apps on Google play. For the two of the apps, I already had a group of audience beforehand so I had acceptable number of downloads. In case of a third app, "Walkie Talkie" , which is a more general app than audience specific, I have very poor downloads. What I would like to know is if there are any tips or tricks on getting more downloads for my app.
It is a free Walkie Talkie app, that lets you do a push to talk communication with other android devices that have installed this app. Also how can I get it reviewed on xda forum? My app's url is:
HTML:
Walkie Talkie on Google Play
Hope I get some response on this one.Im new to xda forum.
Thanks
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Download speed is something related to Internet broadband provider.
Download speed depends on number of factor.
May i know whats your download speed ?
You should talk to your Internet service provider in first place .
For an example , sometimes, when i am at home and using wifi , i get 56 to 100 kbps or sometimes i get 3 to 4 mbps.
Whenever i get bad speed ,i just make a call to my broadband Internet service provider and let them inform about my bad downloading experience and they do fix my problem without any hesitation.
Also note that , when i am using mobile data outside of my home ...the download speed is too slow, because in our country , mobile Internet is very slow. the maximum speed we are getting here is around 59 to 80 kbps.
So try with broadband Internet and Mobile Internet both and try to find out the problem whether the slow download speed is related to your brod band connection or mobile data connection.
Best if luck
POWERED bY TWEAK Rom and ShuRiken
I didnt mean download speed.
ghalib87 said:
Download speed is something related to Internet broadband provider.
Download speed depends on number of factor.
May i know whats your download speed ?
You should talk to your Internet service provider in first place .
For an example , sometimes, when i am at home and using wifi , i get 56 to 100 kbps or sometimes i get 3 to 4 mbps.
Whenever i get bad speed ,i just make a call to my broadband Internet service provider and let them inform about my bad downloading experience and they do fix my problem without any hesitation.
Also note that , when i am using mobile data outside of my home ...the download speed is too slow, because in our country , mobile Internet is very slow. the maximum speed we are getting here is around 59 to 80 kbps.
So try with broadband Internet and Mobile Internet both and try to find out the problem whether the slow download speed is related to your brod band connection or mobile data connection.
Best if luck
POWERED bY TWEAK Rom and ShuRiken
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Im sorry but by downloads I mean installs on google play for my application. I think u didnt understand my question
**Main features:**
1) Live speedometer(Not numbers) in status bar so that everyone can understand what's going on.
2) Live internet speed car animation. car moves fast as you get high internet speed.
3) Internet speed test using emoji. :crying:
Just type "Speedoji" in play store. You will easily find this app.
**Purpose of making this app:**
Basically I wanted to help non technical people who does not understands internet speed in kbps and mbps, to get more idea about their internet speed.
1) So in this app I have set 60 predefined emoji for all different speeds. So if user is getting low speed, app will show sad emoji and if user is getting high speed then app will show happy and crazy emoji. So the people understand their internet speed just by looking at expression of emoji beacause I think expressions are better than numbers.
2) Same thing for live speed in status bar. I have replaced numbers with speedometer.
Thanks for reading this post.
I am also giving away **100 promo codes** to remove the ads.
No download link? Screenshot?
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No download link? Screenshot?
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Maybe he forget the link
I have searched about speedoji in google play and find it
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...internet.speed.meter.test.master.wifi.booster