Hi, I would first like to share that I'm a moderator on Doogee forums and am also a Doogee owner. I have a direct contact with the admin on Doogee which he has access directly to all Doogee department.
I have talked about the software issues arising and the development of it with the admin and feedback from members there, and it seems that we need help in improving the software side. The admin has approved my plan and I am speaking here in behalf of Doogee.
All we ask is help from experienced developers and programmers here to develop and help improve the software of all supported Doogee models. We need to know what we need to provide and what you will need in order for this to be possible. Please bear with me here, this is a big chance for XDA to be known better.
Doogee, for your information, has a very high potential to compete with popular brands like Vivo, Oppo, and even Samsung. Can you find a phone worth $300-$400 that has an insanely 8GB RAM of hardware? No. Their phones are powerful and yet the price is reasonable since the parts they use are direct and in return they can make it at a goid price unlike overpriced brands.
Please help us out here, just let us know with what resources are needed to make it possible. I will make sure that XDA will have its name on to the partnership with Doogee.
Thank you for your time!
Heinrich,
Doogee Moderator
We're calling out skilled and experienced devs out there
Let me clarify that we will be working on the official ROMs, not custom ones
Custom ones can be added later on.
Bump!
Please let me clarify that we are not only the one who will benefit here, but XDA as well. We will make sure to have your names as a credit and the XDA forum as well.
If someone here is interested, please leave a reply here. We just need to know what we will need to provide and help needed so we can get started on developing the software. There's quite a couple of things needed to improve Doogee's software here, thanks for your consideration.
One of the biggest things is kernel source code. Without it you will be hard pressed to improve anything. Next would be access to the code for the OS.
I can't say I have ever heard of the device as they are not sold in my country.
Their rugged devices are probably what they are best known for; they have devices sold / targeted in/at the US via mail order. It seems someone from alaska would probably be interested in them. The s80 and s90 models include a UHF radio / 'walkie talkie' feature.
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Their rugged devices are probably what they are best known for; they have devices sold / targeted in/at the US via mail order. It seems someone from alaska would probably be interested in them. The s80 and s90 models include a UHF radio / 'walkie talkie' feature.
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They survive up here as much as any other. The walkie talkie feature is useless really. The distance between people is too great for this most of the time. Also it doesnt help that most OEM hardware (this one too) has a built in kill switch when the device hardware drops to 32 degrees or less. This will shut a phone down. Also in lot of places where you need a rugged phone, you really dont even get gps let alone a cell phone signal. Like one of my jobs puts me out in no cell phone or gps signal range for weeks on end. No phone (even a sat phone) does me any good out there. So we have gotten to the point of not even carrying one when we go out to places like that. Other then that. The only real things needed are an IPS rating. Anything else is just icing on the cake.
I'm glad to see xda and doogee working together.
As the title states I am glad to see xda and doogee working together it gives me some piece of mind as far as future support and updates go. From some of the posts read some people are not familiar with doogee simply explained they are a Chinese cell phone maker that make Android phones and recently are more well known for there line of rugged phones. First let me state that this is my first rugged grade phone I've owned also it's been my second phone from China if you count the tmobile revl plus/ yulong phone. For years I've looked at different rugged phones with with little to no interest they usually were overpriced and underpowered until I found out about the doogee line of rugged phones. After looking at there line of phones and the competition I decided to go with the doogee s70 lite for the cost performance and making a educated guess that it might possibly sell more then other rugged models. I also went with doogee because I like the idea of modular phones like the s90 have yet to see a company have much success with the concept I owned a moto z2 and the only add on I considered buying was the battery add on. Back to my point. I'm glad to see xda and doogee working together since day one of buying my s70 lite I've worried about support and updates and figured I'd eventually have to go the custom rom route or look towards third party updates. Anyway so far with my s70 lite I have not noticed any major bugs to mention or bring up so far I am quite pleased with how Stable things run. I am really impressed with the hello p23 chipset on how well it runs apps and how little power it consumes and how cool it runs on temperature I've ran qualcom soc phones for years and the few mtk chips I have ran seemed a bit laggy and unstable i must say mediatek really upped there game with the hello chipsets and would recomend one for multiple reasons. My only gripe with the s70 lite is how long it's been since it's had a security update release but overall i would recommend a doogee rugged s series phone to anyone that is tough on there phones at work. Only other thing that is a minor inconvienence is the recovery is in Chinese conji which I can't read a English translated recovery would be nice or a third party twrp/clockworkmod port for the s70 lite or the s series in general would be nice I have considered trying to do a port of twrp recovery for my s70 lite but due to being busy at work and little experience dealing with mtk chipsets I have not attempted it yet. Love my s70 I really hope doogee sticks around for a while. Would recommend there s series phones to anyone working in a industrial/blue collar field of work I work as a automotive technician and average breaking my phone every 2 months. Has been a month now with my s70 lite not a scratch on the screen and I've done some durability tests. Who wouldn't want a phone you can shower with lol. I've even considered trying to promote and spread the word about there s series phones so if doogee wants to send me some phone pamphlets I'd be more then happy to hand them out to my coworkers and others that work in my field. Also anyone reading this if you buy one try to order it direct from doogee I did not have the option when I bought mine I ordered mine off dx.com and I recommend getting the express shipping.
Without the kernel source code: no.
However, provide us with API documentation for the optional attachments, firmware source code, local OTA server config, kernel source code, the original build compile folder, and anything else that could be used to develop the phone, (repair manuals, etc) FOR FREE... then maybe we'll be more open to developing the phone for you.
Sorry if this is a bit harsh sounding, you guys make great phones
TheDarkLord098 said:
Hi, I would first like to share that I'm a moderator on Doogee forums and am also a Doogee owner. I have a direct contact with the admin on Doogee which he has access directly to all Doogee department.
I have talked about the software issues arising and the development of it with the admin and feedback from members there, and it seems that we need help in improving the software side. The admin has approved my plan and I am speaking here in behalf of Doogee.
All we ask is help from experienced developers and programmers here to develop and help improve the software of all supported Doogee models. We need to know what we need to provide and what you will need in order for this to be possible. Please bear with me here, this is a big chance for XDA to be known better.
Doogee, for your information, has a very high potential to compete with popular brands like Vivo, Oppo, and even Samsung. Can you find a phone worth $300-$400 that has an insanely 8GB RAM of hardware? No. Their phones are powerful and yet the price is reasonable since the parts they use are direct and in return they can make it at a goid price unlike overpriced brands.
Please help us out here, just let us know with what resources are needed to make it possible. I will make sure that XDA will have its name on to the partnership with Doogee.
Thank you for your time!
Heinrich,
Doogee Moderator
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Hi my name is Jose, I was owner of DOOGEE MIX i ask too much time for kernel source and u didn't provide to me. Without kernel source we can't do nothing, for example a good custom kernel overclocked a custom rom. I think a good idea will be update the phone to a newer version. But pls give to devs like me kernel source and we will can help u to get a good stock rom.
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Hi my name is Jose, I was owner of DOOGEE MIX i ask too much time for kernel source and u didn't provide to me. Without kernel source we can't do nothing, for example a good custom kernel overclocked a custom rom. I think a good idea will be update the phone to a newer version. But pls give to devs like me kernel source and we will can help u to get a good stock rom.
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Hi, thanks for your interest. Unfortunately, I myself can't even get my hands on it, I have talked to the software department yet they are not handing it out, they believe it is for security reasons.
Is the S90 getting a Pie update?
seanybiker said:
Is the S90 getting a Pie update?
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Not sure though, I have switched to Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro.
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Hi, thanks for your interest. Unfortunately, I myself can't even get my hands on it, I have talked to the software department yet they are not handing it out, they believe it is for security reasons.
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If you make that DOOGEE release their kernel sources, the developers i think that will work on mediatek devices and they will help on stock and making customs roms.
So please, try to make DOOGEE release the kernel sources.
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If you make that DOOGEE release their kernel sources, the developers i think that will work on mediatek devices and they will help on stock and making customs roms.
So please, try to make DOOGEE release the kernel sources.
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Hi, unfortunately I am not even getting any replies from the admins. I believe they really have no plan in releasing kernel for their "security reasons" which is stupid.
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Hi, unfortunately I am not even getting any replies from the admins. I believe they really have no plan in releasing kernel for their "security reasons" which is stupid.
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This thread is about as disappointing and sad as I imagined it would be ... Rugged phones are soon-to-be trending I believe as well.
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Hi, unfortunately I am not even getting any replies from the admins. I believe they really have no plan in releasing kernel for their "security reasons" which is stupid.
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Yeah this is stupid as hell. I still remember doogee phones ard 1-2 year back were preinstalled with malware(this can be found online). I suspect they might as well have put some weird **** inside the kernel source so they don't want to release the source code.
The thing is that they don't make kernel source and software by themselves, it is made by HCT, so they just do the hardware. So if they pay to HCT, they will can release kernel source, since HCT will gave it to them.
Thanks
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Jose
I know this is an old thread, does anyone know if the kernel source is custom by HTC, and should we be contacting HTC to release the kernel source code?
I have a DooGee S95 Pro and it's a decent phone between the S95 Pro and the Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra 5G is a great phone. Whichever phone gets LOS first I will use. The S95 Pro has been out a lot longer and isn't a bad phone considering the newer ones from DooGee are not as nice. Anyhow either that or I will switch over and buy a Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra 5G if LOS gets there. Both fronts are interesting. If I can get the GSI working without issues on the S95 Pro I will just use the S95 Pro but otherwise if not, I will have to sell it and switch brands.
I mean what's with DooGee and other manufacturers other than Samsung and Apple making a good phone and then the new models come out without some of the features I like. The new DooGee phone just has most of what the S95 Pro has, removed take the S97 Pro for example it's maybe a better phone, but the screen is still LCD not AMOLED and not 120Hz or anything. It's a rugged phone and I like that but I can't really use it because it's on Android 9 and not updated at all also no LOS on it which totally sucks. Why give a phone to a dev and have the dev port over LOS for the phones it would probably cost less than having HTC supply source anyway.
My two cents worth here. I don't have any android devs on staff that can do this kind of work anyway which sucks otherwise I would have it done.
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Hi, I know this things about dont ask about eta of new updates, etc. But I have a simple question. Does this device have active community? I see some roms, etc.. (still unusable becouse of softreboots caused by high-gps accuracy), but is there still something in development or is this device dead in this way?
I suppose at some point we'll get at the very least a custom Oreo, however seeing how custom Nougat is still not bugfree, I'd say it's pretty dead at this point.
Plus, for a couple months now there's been too much silence in this forum, which probably animated many people to jump ship.
Really sad to see since the hardware is so good even to this day considering the price. But softwarewise it's worse than anything I've experienced so far. Probably in large amounts thanks to Huawei,just to make that clear
I'm sure the devs around here did their best and I'm thankful there's at least a considerable amount of roms tp choose from.
The great job XDA is doing to advertise for Huawei is also a little annoying at times. I don't know much about software but whatever that "partnership" with Huawei did, it didn't do much for the consumer.
That's it for my rant, had to get it out No more Huawei!
Sent from my HUAWEI FRD-L09 using XDA Labs
The partnership has been good just for XDA itself. For user hasn't changed anything. Don't know if they released or not the source code of the device but if they did is strange that the actual existing rom have important issues. Btw i'm really greatful for developers who attempt to make a good rom for our device, but i prefer staying on stock and hoping for official Android Oreo. If this day won't come, i'll simply take in consideration the bad support from huawei/honor and the almost inexistent community here on xda when buying my next device.
P.s I'll tell this again. I'm very greatful to all the developers who attempt to give us good roms, this is just my tought and i don't meant to denigrate work of other people. Hope you understand
From what I read around the forum, they did release the source code, but partially. You can almost surely rule out development, as hard as they might try, the devs arent going to save a device with a dwindling number of users, especially when it seems that the company itself has abandoned the device. I just hope they are kind enough to just make good on their promise and provide Oreo. Its been less than an year that this device has been available in my country, it would be a shame to see a phone with hardware as good as this not supported less than an year after its launch.
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From what I read around the forum, they did release the source code, but partially. You can almost surely rule out development, as hard as they might try, the devs arent going to save a device with a dwindling number of users, especially when it seems that the company itself has abandoned the device. I just hope they are kind enough to just make good on their promise and provide Oreo. Its been less than an year that this device has been available in my country, it would be a shame to see a phone with hardware as good as this not supported less than an year after its launch.
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I totally agree with you there. I just bought the honor 8 for the third time and this time I bought the 64g as I had planned on the honor 8 being my new long term device so yes honor better follow through with their promise to keep this phone updated or I just wanted my money and they will loose me as a heavy supporter of their brands. I'm a huge fan but if they aren't going to update their current honor flagship phone nor release anymore new models to take it's place in the US then what's the point of me remaining loyal to them.
Translation if exact:
Hi everyone is
concerned about the recent part of rice noodles care about the red rice phone 4 high version with Android 7.0, this proposal we have noticed very early, and the internal communication and coordination. The latest conclusion is that the red rice cell phone 4 version with no adaptation of Android 7.0 plan. Here's a detailed description of the situation with you.
Some people say that the underlying Android is not a very simple matter? In actual fact, each time the end-of-package version upgrade is a huge project, which involves various aspects of adaptation, adjustment, etc., the actual work is very complicated. Each Android version update, we will seriously evaluate, not to simply upgrade the Android version number and adaptation. In fact, many of MIUI system features experience even earlier than the Android version, such as rights management, wake up power-saving features such as MIUI is the first. We very much hope that through the MIUI system upgrade to bring you more fun and easy to use features.
After engineers, product managers and project management departments negotiate a number of comprehensive assessment and decision, red rice cell phone 4 high version with no current Android 7.x adaptation plan. But for everyone concerned about the split screen, portal, information assistant function, as well as MIUI 9 stable version of the release plan has some new progress, and here to share with you.
Split screen:
split screen team engineers are currently actively adapted based on Android 6.x models, is expected to go online in early January to 6.x trial version of the model to be tested until the test is completed, it will go online to the development version And follow-up stable version.
Portal:
Currently supports Android 5.x and above models.
Information Assistant:
Currently supports Android 5.x and above models, Android 4.4 version of the model support does not include "My expenses", "My Favorites" two cards other information assistant function.
MIUI 9 stable version:
Red rice cell phone 4 standard / high version of the MIUI 9 stable version has been tested in-house, is expected in mid-to-late open part of the rice for closed beta, to be tested after the push update to everyone upgrade, will push to upgrade, please everyone rest assured.
MIUI is committed to providing you with a better system experience. For the Android underlay, we also make a comprehensive evaluation based on the characteristics of different models to determine the fit plan. Thank you for your love of millet and MIUI team work understanding, and sometimes, do not say do not mean do not do, we must do a good job, this is MIUI
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I guess its time to flush this mobile in toilet.
It was a nice sad story with Xiaomi and i wish this company will learn about valuable customers.
I still have faith in Xiaomi if they changed themselves.
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That was expected.But still noone gives a valid explanation why same hardwarre, different screen size phone will get android 7 and not RN4 prime.The whole situation is a joke.
kardinal969 said:
I guess its time to flush this mobile in toilet.
It was a nice sad story with Xiaomi and i wish this company will learn about valuable customers.
I still have faith in Xiaomi if they changed themselves.
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You can donate it to unterwelt instead of flushing it into toilet, that will help us to get oreo faster
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That was expected.But still noone gives a valid explanation why same hardwarre, different screen size phone will get android 7 and not RN4 prime.The whole situation is a joke.
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One possible explanation is that probably markw isn't actually a xiaomi's in-house product and they dumping it because ODM is failing to/not interested in/refusing to provide xiaomi with updated kernel/blobs. "It's too complex" explanation is too childish to be heard from technology corporation.
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One possible explanation is that probably markw isn't actually a xiaomi's in-house product and they dumping it because ODM is failing to/not interested in/refusing to provide xiaomi with updated kernel/blobs. "It's too complex" explanation is too childish to be heard from technology corporation.
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Not only childish but insulting too.You can't dump a phone you sell as prime/pro and people paid signifficant more money not only for better hardware but better support too.After mi2s and R4P i think i'm done with xiaomi.On top of that, it seems the new Redmi's have smaller batteries so i can't find a good reason to trust xiaomi for my next phone.
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Not only childish but insulting too.You can't dump a phone you sell as prime/pro and people paid signifficant more money not only for better hardware but better support too.After mi2s and R4P i think i'm done with xiaomi.On top of that, it seems the new Redmi's have smaller batteries so i can't find a good reason to trust xiaomi for my next phone.
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Yeah, their updated product line is pure disappointment. Bigger screens, smaller batteries, same SoCs. Meh.
Lets wait for their golden boy product, Redmi Note 5 that speculated to use snapdragon 636.
here is a post from en.miui.com: http://en.miui.com/thread-1001529-1-1.html
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Lets wait for their golden boy product, Redmi Note 5 that speculated to use snapdragon 636.
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Are they going to replace our markws with this at no price and will take legal obligations to provide base system updates for at least two major versions? No? Then thanks, but no, thanks. Personally, I'll keep using mine till noticeable battery degradation. Then I'll switch to other vendor.
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Lets wait for their golden boy product, Redmi Note 5 that speculated to use snapdragon 636.
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Yeah 636, the new holy grail for two more years i guess.So basically 10-15% performance bump, unknown support policy, significant smaller battery and no medium size screen.Oh right...maybe they'll make a prime version with sd 660, after 6-8 months of the first R5 release, wich will come with android 7 and stay with 7 just a few months before the R6 release.Nope...
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Are they going to replace our markws with this at no price and will take legal obligations to provide base system updates for at least two major versions? No? Then thanks, but no, thanks. Personally, I'll keep using mine till noticeable battery degradation. Then I'll switch to other vendor.
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That is exactly my plan too.
There is a petition for Redmi 4 Prime.
If you want you can help us with it (or just try)
https://www.change.org/p/xiaomi-mas...ium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsive
N1ck474 said:
There is a petition for Redmi 4 Prime.
If you want you can help us with it (or just try)
https://www.change.org/p/xiaomi-mas...ium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsive
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Xiaomi constantly ignores requests on their own forum, what makes you think this petition would be noticed? I would rather suggest mass recruitment requests for beta-testing Oreo (who needs Nougat, anyway?) in a (very little) hope these requests are processed by officials (unlike forum requests that are moderated by usual users, mods there aren't xiaomi employees, afaik) and there will be some kind of output.
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Xiaomi constantly ignores requests on their own forum, what makes you think this petition would be noticed? I would rather suggest mass recruitment requests for beta-testing Oreo (who needs Nougat, anyway?) in a (very little) hope these requests are processed by officials (unlike forum requests that are moderated by usual users, mods there aren't xiaomi employees, afaik) and there will be some kind of output.
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I haven't created this petition, it's just a try from MIUI Forum, if you want you can help, if you don't it's ok, i've just shared the link.
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I haven't created this petition, it's just a try from MIUI Forum, if you want you can help, if you don't it's ok, i've just shared the link.
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I know where it originates from. Also, I signed it, though I think it's not going to work. Peace.
@N1ck474 not going to work dude :| History shows they don't give a damn about petitions.I signed though...
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@N1ck474 not going to work dude :| History shows they don't give a damn about petitions.I signed though...
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I know, but we don't lose anything so...why not?
Sort of official statement (provided by one of xiaomi forum's supermods) related to thread subject. In short words - maybe later. Not this time.
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Sort of official statement (provided by one of xiaomi forum's supermods) related to thread subject. In short words - maybe later. Not this time.
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Haha... complex issues in compatibility??? Guys are a joke, they even erase a message from brigudav.There is not going to be a "later" for sure.
redmi 5 plus vs redmi 4 prime = same spec. = Nougat 7.1 vs MM 6
xiaomi and the magic miui, sorry but you finished for me.
Just picked up my new Honor 6x(BLN-L24) from Best Buy because I'm tired of only having 2GB RAM on my Honor 5x. Unfortunately I didn't come here before ordering because if I had I would have noticed only a fraction of dev support compared to what is available for the 5x, and I would have not purchased the 6x.
Anyway, I tried flashing HassanMirza01's LineageOS 14.1 but after letting it sit 3 times on animated boot logo screen for over 30 minutes each time I wiped everything and read through the rest of the ROMs in the dev section. Either the ROMs have currently reported install problems, or in the case of all Meticulus ROMs the download links are gone. None seem to be working correctly or near stable for daily use unless I'm missing something here.
At this point I'm following the dload method to go back to latest stock and honestly thinking about just returning the phone to Best Buy. It's quite disappointing seeing such a small amount of support for it. Is that because there is something wrong or difficult with this phone when it comes to development?
The weak development is because Huawei/Honor hasn't released source code yet (I guess, but I've seen a link for my BLL-L23 source code some time ago).
A thing I don't like about H6X devs is that lately they have (strangely) "spammed" their ports from other Huawei devices, maybe without improving the ported codes. I mean, about 6 ROMs in just a few days, with the same ported S.C... That's suspicious
But, since I'm not a dev (sad reaction only) I can't judge their work without considering all the variables involved into their work.
I guess all this happened because of the unreleased S.C, but I'm confident this has a near end.
Cheers to all devs btw, ur work is really appreciated
I can't even return to stock. I tried the dload method, and then I tried the full return to stock where I fastboot flash boot/recovery/system and then dload the update.app. Keeps saying Software install failed! on the part where I do vol+/vol-/pwr and try the dload flash of update.app.
Have I completely bricked this phone?
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Just picked up my new Honor 6x(BLN-L24) from Best Buy because I'm tired of only having 2GB RAM on my Honor 5x. Unfortunately I didn't come here before ordering because if I had I would have noticed only a fraction of dev support compared to what is available for the 5x, and I would have not purchased the 6x.
Anyway, I tried flashing HassanMirza01's LineageOS 14.1 but after letting it sit 3 times on animated boot logo screen for over 30 minutes each time I wiped everything and read through the rest of the ROMs in the dev section. Either the ROMs have currently reported install problems, or in the case of all Meticulus ROMs the download links are gone. None seem to be working correctly or near stable for daily use unless I'm missing something here.
At this point I'm following the dload method to go back to latest stock and honestly thinking about just returning the phone to Best Buy. It's quite disappointing seeing such a small amount of support for it. Is that because there is something wrong or difficult with this phone when it comes to development?
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You live in Missouri? :laugh: The Honor 5x is a Qualcom Snapdragon device and that chipset has plenty of official support from LineageOS. The Honor 6x is a Kirin 655 device and has absolutely NO official support what soever. You asked if there is "something wrong or difficult with this phone when it comes to development". Yes there is and for the same reason that it will NEVER had any official support from custom ROMs like Lineage: no source code.
So, if you bought your Honor 6x with expectation that your "custom rom experience" would be the same as your 5x, I'm afraid that you probably made a mistake.
As for "Where are the download links?". I mean absolutely no disrespect when I say that, if you can not find them, then it's probably for the best. :laugh:
Huawei/Honor should do something related to Kirrin processor, considering their massive advertisements on XDA- they're not caring any development
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Huawei/Honor should do something related to Kirrin processor, considering their massive advertisements on XDA- they're not caring any development
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I do not know the 'deal' that Huawei/Honor has with XDA but it seems likely to me that Huawei/Honor pays XDA to help make Huawei/Honor devices more popular by sponsoring Honor branded contests and giving away phones to 'openkirin'. I can not say for certain but I don't think that Huawei/Honor cares about 'custom ROM' development at all. It is just a vehicle, by which, XDA can make Huawei/Honor devices more popular, help increase sales and help them build their brand.
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The weak development is because Huawei/Honor hasn't released source code yet (I guess, but I've seen a link for my BLL-L23 source code some time ago).
A thing I don't like about H6X devs is that lately they have (strangely) "spammed" their ports from other Huawei devices, maybe without improving the ported codes. I mean, about 6 ROMs in just a few days, with the same ported S.C... That's suspicious
But, since I'm not a dev (sad reaction only) I can't judge their work without considering all the variables involved into their work.
I guess all this happened because of the unreleased S.C, but I'm confident this has a near end.
Cheers to all devs btw, ur work is really appreciated
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These ROMs came about because I decided to bring up my code base to operate on EMUI 5. While I was doing that I noticed the way Huawei does things in an abstract way so that the same code base can be used to build ROMs for many devices. I decided to do things in a similar way. In doing so, other quickly found out that this ROM runs on all hi6250 devices. However it is true that I do not own an Honor 6x and where this device differs from the devices that I do own, you come in. If you help me help you I might be able to fix issues. If not, well ... the choice is yours ...
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I do not know the 'deal' that Huawei/Honor has with XDA but it seems likely to me that Huawei/Honor pays XDA to help make Huawei/Honor devices more popular by sponsoring Honor branded contests and giving away phones to 'openkirin'. I can not say for certain but I don't think that Huawei/Honor cares about 'custom ROM' development at all. It is just a vehicle, by which, XDA can make Huawei/Honor devices more popular, help increase sales and help them build their brand.
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Yeah absolutely- thats d strategy
But for any device to appeal for XDA public - it should have impressive development or promising atmosphere(releasing sources,support etc)
Advertisements on XDA gonna do more harm than good if they have nill dev support as every user who purchases phone seeing ad on XDA hoping good development like OP would badly be disappointed and it hurts brand value indirectly. Basically majority phones which get advertised on XDA has excellent dev support already like One plus. Huawei is missing this point.
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These ROMs came about because I decided to bring up my code base to operate on EMUI 5. While I was doing that I noticed the way Huawei does things in an abstract way so that the same code base can be used to build ROMs for many devices. I decided to do things in a similar way. In doing so, other quickly found out that this ROM runs on all hi6250 devices. However it is true that I do not own an Honor 6x and where this device differs from the devices that I do own, you come in. If you help me help you I might be able to fix issues. If not, well ... the choice is yours ...
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Yeah observed this- Feels like Huawei had implemented Project treble like functionality already in all kirrin devices
sreekantt said:
Yeah absolutely- thats d strategy
But for any device to appeal for XDA public - it should have impressive development or promising atmosphere(releasing sources,support etc)
Advertisements on XDA gonna do more harm than good if they have nill dev support as every user who purchases phone seeing ad on XDA hoping good development like OP would badly be disappointed and it hurts brand value indirectly. Basically majority phones which get advertised on XDA has excellent dev support already like One plus. Huawei is missing this point.
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I am not a "business expert" and I willing to bet that you are not either. We have no idea what the nature of the business relationship is, with Huawei and it's hardware partners such as Hisilicon. Perhaps Huawei is unable to be more forth coming with its source code because of agreements they have with Hisilicon. Perhaps, Hisilicon, being relatively new to the market-place has decided that keeping their userspace code closed is in their best interest, in the face of older companies like Qualcom. Who knows? I think that companies do things by the numbers and if having "good development at XDA" could produce bigger profits for them, I'm sure they would encourage it. I willing to bet that 'custom ROM' development's impact on Huawei's bottom line is negligible. XDA is more useful to them for helping to spread the word about the brand. Also, XDA also generates revenue by advertising and although it is an unfortunate fact. When a ROM is running perfectly their is less reason to come here and post. When a ROM is half working and has lots of bugs, ppl are checking constantly while waiting for bugs to get fixes. If a ROM works well, then you just flash it and go on. No reason to stick around here....
I'm just spit balling anyway.... I could be all wrong...:laugh:
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You live in Missouri? :laugh: The Honor 5x is a Qualcom Snapdragon device and that chipset has plenty of official support from LineageOS. The Honor 6x is a Kirin 655 device and has absolutely NO official support what soever. You asked if there is "something wrong or difficult with this phone when it comes to development". Yes there is and for the same reason that it will NEVER had any official support from custom ROMs like Lineage: no source code.
So, if you bought your Honor 6x with expectation that your "custom rom experience" would be the same as your 5x, I'm afraid that you probably made a mistake.
As for "Where are the download links?". I mean absolutely no disrespect when I say that, if you can not find them, then it's probably for the best. :laugh:
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Yep, about 20 minutes from Springfield. :good:
So with Kirin, is it that they just haven't opensourced what you devs need? Has there been any 'official' discussion on that from them that would give any hope towards easier development
I didn't see links in your rom threads, and your threads don't have the Downloads tab on them like other rom threads do. Guessing you're hosting the files directly from your website you have linked in your threads?
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So with Kirin, is it that they just haven't opensourced what you devs need? Has there been any 'official' discussion on that from them that would give any hope towards easier development.
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I like to think I've done pretty well despite any lack of resources from Huawei. On the devices I own, to me at least, my ROMs are full daily drivers. Perhaps they are not perfect but without source it was never gonna be but, afaict the bugs are minor. I have never heard anything from Huawei on publishing their source. They publish their GPL stuff which is more than some companies do. I will admit that my ROMs probably run better on the P9 Lite and the P10 Lite because I own those devices and when they have problems, I can get information personally. Something I can't do for devices I don't own.
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I like to think I've done pretty well despite any lack of resources from Huawei. On the devices I own, to me at least, my ROMs are full daily drivers. Perhaps they are not perfect but without source it was never gonna be but, afaict the bugs are minor. I have never heard anything from Huawei on publishing their source. They publish their GPL stuff which is more than some companies do. I will admit that my ROMs probably run better on the P9 Lite and the P10 Lite because I own those devices and when they have problems, I can get information personally. Something I can't do for devices I don't own.
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Well if you're nearby in SPFD you can always hit me up if you need a phone to test stuff on, haha.
One thing that can help revive the development is an Oreo update with treble support
With rumours of Treble support coming along with 8.1 that have been debunked by the actual updates, I couldn't help but wonder how plausible it even is that we'll be getting Treble-support on our devices? I know that the Pixel got it and some other devices that came with Nougat got it as well but I can appreciate the complexity of the situation. That being said, I wanted to start a discussion, trying to gain some knowledge by people who have a deeper understanding of how Treble works and how plausible this actually happening for us.
Also, if we were to stay on the a/b partition system without Treble support, how plausible would it be that Xiaomi keeps its promise to deliver Android P for the Mi A1? I get the feeling that it'll be more or less obligated to be able to upgrade.
This is not an attempt to complain about update frequency, I'm very content with the monthly updates and if updates stop I'm pretty sure custom ROMs will provide us with extended support. I'm just trying to get some more insight and I know that there are a lot of people on this forum who have a lot of knowledge to share about stuff like this.
The thing is that xiaomi will never care about this phone and i bet that mi a2 will have the same end. No Support. I think that xiaomi was not really ready to make an android one phone.
billis2020 said:
The thing is that xiaomi will never care about this phone and i bet that mi a2 will have the same end. No Support. I think that xiaomi was not really ready to make an android one phone.
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I don't really agree with that. We've gotten updates every month, we were one of the first to get Oreo, one of the first to get 8.1. If you look at the Android adoptions rates and the Android One project guidelines, objectively speaking, we really have nothing to complain about.
That aside, i wasn't looking for subjective comments on why Xiaomi "isn't doing a good job" but more for comments that can give me more knowledge on the questions I was asking.
How can people say xiaomi doesn't care about this phone? We've been getting updates consistently every 3rd week of every month and among the 3% of all phones in the world to actually have Oreo 8.1. Think about that for a moment....
Look at all the other OEMs, LG barely just updated it's almost 2 year old LG V20 to Oreo 8.0, not even 8 1 and it'll get stuck on oreo 8.0. They haven't given the V10 a single uodate for almost more than a year and y'all still complain about the Mi A1?
Also keep in mind that all OEMs will have bugs in initial releases of updates that eventually, are fixed in a timely manner.
Y'all seriously need to chill. If you want daily updates, go develop your own rom and stop complaining.
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How can people say xiaomi doesn't care about this phone?
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people like to create drama, always.
I don't think they will add treble support for this device. But who knows!
Well I thought it was impossible because messing with the partition table could lead to bricked devices, but seeing the treble port and even Android P is kinda giving me hope we'll get it in some update (Android P perhaps, after it's release this or next month).
here's my opinion, Xiaomi is unlikely to give A1 a treble support, but constant update will be given to the phone, and as far as I can tell Xiaomi is trying their best to give the user a bug-free experience, I mean it's their first time giving a REAL stock android experience, heck A1 made them more popular... I think?
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here's my opinion, Xiaomi is unlikely to give A1 a treble support, but constant update will be given to the phone, and as far as I can tell Xiaomi is trying their best to give the user a bug-free experience, I mean it's their first time giving a REAL stock android experience, heck A1 made them more popular... I think?
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I have no doubts about the constant updates. They have been very consistent and monthly so they are doing a very good job at that.
I don't know if someone can give me a more technical explaination of how OTA Treble support would work and what the risks are, that would be nice. Also does anyone know what the requirements are when it comes to Android P? Will Treble be required to be able to upgrade?
I find a lot of info pointing out the dangers of moving from a/b to Treble but I can't seem to find any good ELI5 info that explains why
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How can people say xiaomi doesn't care about this phone? We've been getting updates consistently every 3rd week of every month and among the 3% of all phones in the world to actually have Oreo 8.1. Think about that for a moment....
Look at all the other OEMs, LG barely just updated it's almost 2 year old LG V20 to Oreo 8.0, not even 8 1 and it'll get stuck on oreo 8.0. They haven't given the V10 a single uodate for almost more than a year and y'all still complain about the Mi A1?
Also keep in mind that all OEMs will have bugs in initial releases of updates that eventually, are fixed in a timely manner.
Y'all seriously need to chill. If you want daily updates, go develop your own rom and stop complaining.
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I couldn't agree more, I open this thread trying to educate myself on Treble and Android P upgrading process and the very first comment is about how Xioami isn't doing a good job with the Mi A1
Mi A1 is an Android One device which should get an priority to having updates to the latest version asap as Google stated, so comparing Mi A1 with other device that out of the Android One Program is nonsense.
From the very first release of the device Mi A1 get poorly support from Xiaomi, which includes very late deploying source code that almost make the device developing community dies.
Actually the monthly update is just 'OK', everyone knows that we received new bugs on every update even with they have beta program to testing before deploy the stable release.
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Mi A1 is an Android One device which should get an priority to having updates to the latest version asap as Google stated, so comparing Mi A1 with other device that out of the Android One Program is nonsense.
From the very first release of the device Mi A1 get poorly support from Xiaomi, which includes very late deploying source code that almost make the device developing community dies.
Actually the monthly update is just 'OK', everyone knows that we received new bugs on every update even with they have beta program to testing before deploy the stable release.
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Thanks for your contribution, now all my questions are answered. Thanks!
Aside from the cynical remark to yet another pointless comment that's completely besides the questions I was asking I want to add that you people shouldn't hijack every thread that has the keyword "update" in it to start whining. I actually want to gather some knowledge and so far half of the comments are completely pointless. Here are some facts for you guys, please mess up someone else's thread, thanks.
Android adoption rates
Android One update guidelines
Let me try to be helpful here:
What do you mean by plausible? Plausible is a word for liberal arts, philosophy, literature and other abstract studies or fields. In development, engineering fields no such word is being used. So let us first replace that word, with another one that makes sense.
Is it possible? Yes, everything is.
Is it doable? Yes, it is.
Will Xiaomi ever do it? I can't say for sure since I'm not in anyway affiliated with the development team of Mi A1 updates, but my bet would be on "No".
Now let me explain my reasoning behind this.
To recreate the partition table required for project treble to work (separate system and vendor partitions basically) you need to format your phone. They can't just send an OTA that wipes people's phones. Xiaomi releases an update where the notification led does not blink and people lose their minds. Just imagine what would happen if they put a disclaimer on the OTA, that tells people to backup because the OTA update will wipe their phones for treble support re-partitioning. The majority of people wouldn't even read it and then flood the forums to cry about it (you are experiencing it in this very thread). People expect Google Pixel-like experience (even pixel has hardware and software issues every month) from a 150$ smartphone. You can't afford to do things like that as a company, when you know that your audience is going to publicly execute you, even when they are at fault. It is just not worth it.
There is a make-shift way to enable treble support without re-partitioning and without wiping the phone, but no separate vendor partition is created (Asus has done is on zenfone 3 and google has done it for pixel and pixel xl). However, this procedure is again somewhat risky and could cause soft to semi-hard bricks and alleviates almost all the benefits of project treble due to not having that separate partition. So again, not worth it.
If I was Xiaomi, knowing my customers, I wouldn't have done it either as a marketing strategy. Give people stable updates, less stuff to worry and complain about and also avoid any risky situations that could put the company's name on the front-pages of bad news.
I hope I helped
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Let me try to be helpful here:
What do you mean by plausible? Plausible is a word for liberal arts, philosophy, literature and other abstract studies or fields. In development, engineering fields no such word is being used. So let us first replace that word, with another one that makes sense.
Is it possible? Yes, everything is.
Is it doable? Yes, it is.
Will Xiaomi ever do it? I can't say for sure since I'm not in anyway affiliated with the development team of Mi A1 updates, but my bet would be on "No".
Now let me explain my reasoning behind this.
To recreate the partition table required for project treble to work (separate system and vendor partitions basically) you need to format your phone. They can't just send an OTA that wipes people's phones. Xiaomi releases an update where the notification led does not blink and people lose their minds. Just imagine what would happen if they put a disclaimer on the OTA, that tells people to backup because the OTA update will wipe their phones for treble support re-partitioning. The majority of people wouldn't even read it and then flood the forums to cry about it (you are experiencing it in this very thread). People expect Google Pixel-like experience (even pixel has hardware and software issues every month) from a 150$ smartphone. You can't afford to do things like that as a company, when you know that your audience is going to publicly execute you, even when they are at fault. It is just not worth it.
There is a make-shift way to enable treble support without re-partitioning and without wiping the phone, but no separate vendor partition is created (Asus has done is on zenfone 3 and google has done it for pixel and pixel xl). However, this procedure is again somewhat risky and could cause soft to semi-hard bricks and alleviates almost all the benefits of project treble due to not having that separate partition. So again, not worth it.
If I was Xiaomi, knowing my customers, I wouldn't have done it either as a marketing strategy. Give people stable updates, less stuff to worry and complain about and also avoid any risky situations that could put the company's name on the front-pages of bad news.
I hope I helped
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Thanks, this was actually helpful. I completely agree that procedures like that would flood all Mi A1 forums with people who didn't inform themselves and it would backfire so that makes perfect sense. I didn't knew that the procedure Google did for the Pixel phones did not unlock full Treble capabilities, kind of strange that they decided to take the risk at all for that.
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Thanks, this was actually helpful. I completely agree that procedures like that would flood all Mi A1 forums with people who didn't inform themselves and it would backfire so that makes perfect sense. I didn't knew that the procedure Google did for the Pixel phones did not unlock full Treble capabilities, kind of strange that they decided to take the risk at all for that.
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Well since they are at the forefront of Android development they are required to have the latest and greatest thing as they promised for the Pixel lineup. They were somewhat forced to do it because they promised for it. Imagine Google not keeping true to their written statements to customers.
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Mi A1 is an Android One device which should get an priority to having updates to the latest version asap as Google stated, so comparing Mi A1 with other device that out of the Android One Program is nonsense.
From the very first release of the device Mi A1 get poorly support from Xiaomi, which includes very late deploying source code that almost make the device developing community dies.
Actually the monthly update is just 'OK', everyone knows that we received new bugs on every update even with they have beta program to testing before deploy the stable release.
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Get a new phone then lol
Let me give you a piece of advice, OP
If you want an actual, on-topic and useful discussion, NEVER do that on either XDA or MIUI (Much worse btw)
The only people who can discuss these topics mindfully are the developers and a few handful of people that don't get triggered the moment they see the word "update"
Good luck to you
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Get a new phone then lol
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Why would I have to? We already have strong developing community which is better than manufacturer's support.
berezker said:
Let me give you a piece of advice, OP
If you want an actual, on-topic and useful discussion, NEVER do that on either XDA or MIUI (Much worse btw)
The only people who can discuss these topics mindfully are the developers and a few handful of people that don't get triggered the moment they see the word "update"
Good luck to you
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I actually deleted my account at the MIUI forum because of the poisonous attitude people have over there. The little useful information people post on there is buried immediately by brainless toddlers who clearly don't know how a forum works.
Maybe I was naive thinking this section of XDA would be better but at least a couple of people in these 17 comments were actually helpful so yeah ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Why would I have to? We already have strong developing community which is better than manufacturer's support.
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Look man, if you have nothing relevant to say about what I'm asking here just don't comment. I didn't create this thread to give complainers like you another platform to post your unfounded and subjective views on support for our device. If you want to see what the Android One update guidelines or the Android adoption rates are, scroll up, I've posted the links. Educate yourself. But please, stop with the complaining, my thread is not the place for it. If you want to contribute be my guest, if you don't, leave.
cmon man, I was answered the one I quoted to.
Did you tried to fight with everyone who doesn't the same as yours?
For what I thought about the topic, ofc it should be 'No' and also you shoudn't pretend yourself and believe on what you think.
If Xiaomi want to do, they will do, but also think that they just released Mi A2 Lite which should be replaced Mi A1 eventually
It's a marketing, business things.
Last thing is, if you really want to make some topic support, just make some online petition and spread them, and I would sign them one if someone make it.
Like somebody said, making the discussion in here is useless, Xiaomi customer support or something else wouldn't response them.
I thought due to the price and specs of this phone, this forum would be buzzing but it looks dead! Where is everyone?
Looking/Waiting for more known brands or ones more likely to get developer attention, I suppose.
I bought this device knowing the achilles heel is the software and hoping that it might get some traction.
Taking that its Realme into consideration and also considering this was one of the first Snapdragon 865 devices, It might take a while.
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Looking/Waiting for more known brands or ones more likely to get developer attention, I suppose.
I bought this device knowing the achilles heel is the software and hoping that it might get some traction.
Taking that its Realme into consideration and also considering this was one of the first Snapdragon 865 devices, It might take a while.
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I suppose that's why oneplus is always going to be a safer bet as the forums there are always buzzing with loads of developers..
They've also been adament on supporting the developer community from the get to. I think Realme is doing the right steps, Allowing unlocks easily, Releasing Kernel Sources on time, etc. It will take time, but if they lean towards developers as well, It will help their stature in that regard.
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They've also been adament on supporting the developer community from the get to. I think Realme is doing the right steps, Allowing unlocks easily, Releasing Kernel Sources on time, etc. It will take time, but if they lean towards developers as well, It will help their stature in that regard.
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Maybe they should do like oneplus and give a couple of devs some phones ?