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Hello Guys,
I've been on here for a while, and I've recently started my own business call Peekamo. It's a SMS based forum system (not made to replace this forum at all, more like a VERY IMPORTANT POSTS ONLY FORUM), along with personal SMS to anyone at no cost (aka FREE). These are all "real" sms, not smtp so that means not you or the receiver gets charged.
This is my attempt at causing a ripple in the high priced SMS market that the providers currently take advantage of.
So please try it out and let me know what you think. It's still in beta, so please understand if something things are out of place. I would really appreciate any comments or suggestions you may have.
I've already created a forum for XDA users, you can create your own if you wish. Our service currently works in US and Canada, and we're working on getting the rest of the world ready by the end of the month.
Thanks and hope to hear from you all soon.
The site is peekamo.com
Cheers!
Hi,
Very interesting! when I can will accesss those services from Venezuela?.
Regards,
Taguapire.
taguapire said:
Hi,
Very interesting! when I can will accesss those services from Venezuela?.
Regards,
Taguapire.
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Very shorly, I am just finalizing some details with my international provider. I will keep everyone posted on any changes.
Thanks!!!
Taguapire.
axiom said:
Hello Guys,
I've been on here for a while, and I've recently started my own business call Peekamo. It's a SMS based forum system (not made to replace this forum at all, more like a VERY IMPORTANT POSTS ONLY FORUM), along with personal SMS to anyone at no cost (aka FREE). These are all "real" sms, not smtp so that means not you or the receiver gets charged.
This is my attempt at causing a ripple in the high priced SMS market that the providers currently take advantage of.
So please try it out and let me know what you think. It's still in beta, so please understand if something things are out of place. I would really appreciate any comments or suggestions you may have.
I've already created a forum for XDA users, you can create your own if you wish. Our service currently works in US and Canada, and we're working on getting the rest of the world ready by the end of the month.
Thanks and hope to hear from you all soon.
The site is peekamo.com
Cheers!
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Axiom, great to see that we also have some real entrepreneurs among this community. I wish you the best of luck for your venture.
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Axiom, great to see that we also have some real entrepreneurs among this community. I wish you the best of luck for your venture.
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Thank you. Our vision for this concept came by when my partner and I were at a club with another friend. After about 2 hours our friend gave his number to this girl that he met. At 6:00 we were at a breakfast place when all of a sudden the phone rings, and guess who it was. Yup, it was the girl. She called every few hours after that bothering him and sending him text messages.
That brought on the idea of anonymizing cell phone numbers by linking them to an ID with the ability to block out people from texting you. When you're finished with an ID and picked up all the girls/boys that you've ever wanted to, just change your ID and the connection is over right there and then.
Other then the anonymity feature, we found that we need to create a community presence so that everyone can use their new Peekamo IDs with others and share common intrests without giving up their phone number.
I don't even use my email as much as I use my peekamo id, and when I use email I sign it "dont' even think of replying, just peekamo me."
Hope to see more of you there.
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axiom said:
Hello Guys,
I've been on here for a while, and I've recently started my own business call Peekamo. It's a SMS based forum system (not made to replace this forum at all, more like a VERY IMPORTANT POSTS ONLY FORUM), along with personal SMS to anyone at no cost (aka FREE). These are all "real" sms, not smtp so that means not you or the receiver gets charged.
This is my attempt at causing a ripple in the high priced SMS market that the providers currently take advantage of.
So please try it out and let me know what you think. It's still in beta, so please understand if something things are out of place. I would really appreciate any comments or suggestions you may have.
I've already created a forum for XDA users, you can create your own if you wish. Our service currently works in US and Canada, and we're working on getting the rest of the world ready by the end of the month.
Thanks and hope to hear from you all soon.
The site is peekamo.com
Cheers!
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Ok, So a couple of questions:
1. I signed up, it sent me 2 different "codes" through sms to use as verification, but neither is working. I will be glad to send more information if you wish, let me know your preferred method (PM, email, etc). I guess that wasn't really a question, but whatever.
2. When you say free, how is this done? I pay per text message on Cingular. Your website says "Save more money on your phone bill by using Peekamo.com and send and receive SMS at no cost." I am still going to pay per text message to Cingular, right? Have you figured out some way for them to not charge me per text message? As an example, I am sure I'll be paying $0.20 for the two previously mentioned text message "codes" when I get my Cingular bill. If you have figured out some method for me to use sms from my phone, at no cost, well, holy crap.
3. This ain't no question either. I just want to say regardless of the answers to my above questions, thanks for jumping in to the arena and providing something. We need more people willing to jump.
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Ok, So a couple of questions:
1. I signed up, it sent me 2 different "codes" through sms to use as verification, but neither is working. I will be glad to send more information if you wish, let me know your preferred method (PM, email, etc). I guess that wasn't really a question, but whatever.
2. When you say free, how is this done? I pay per text message on Cingular. Your website says "Save more money on your phone bill by using Peekamo.com and send and receive SMS at no cost." I am still going to pay per text message to Cingular, right? Have you figured out some way for them to not charge me per text message? As an example, I am sure I'll be paying $0.20 for the two previously mentioned text message "codes" when I get my Cingular bill. If you have figured out some method for me to use sms from my phone, at no cost, well, holy crap.
3. This ain't no question either. I just want to say regardless of the answers to my above questions, thanks for jumping in to the arena and providing something. We need more people willing to jump.
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1. Make sure enter your phone number, email address, and code. Becareful you are not entering zero for O and vice versa. I will check your code in a bit
2. You WILL NOT BE CHARGED for the messages you received, nor will you be charged for any messages sent through the Peekamo network. You are right on the money, just like you pay .20 per msg, Peekamo pays per messages. We subsidize it through ad text at the bottom of the message of up to 20 characters. I think that is fair, no? Peekamo is one of only full no charge sending or receiving text message service in North America, everyone else uses SMTP, so you send free but the receiver pays.
3. Trust me, I know all about the lack of services such as ours. I fully intend on making waves in the industry that's monopolized by the carriers. With enough users on our network, we could seriously cause carriers like Cingular to rethink their 50% price increases in text messaging.
out of curiosity... how do you make money on this? since you stated its your business... is it from the advertising alone?
Do be completely honest. Right now, we don't make money. And it's not all about money. You tube never made a cent, and till today they show negative loses. We are trying to create a service that will be noticed and that will help the mobile community.
We also don't let businesses come on and start their own groups. Businesses pay to create their own private groups just like any other forum or service.
Our goal is to be wide spread and known, not to just make money.
You should go on to the site and check out the about us section, in there you will find all the information you are looking for.
well I am one of the types of people that think being charged for sending text is ridiculous when i have internet on my phone
But just sending text to someones cell number, rather than email/aim/other Instant messengers that not many people use, is pretty convenient. cell providers could easily scrap the fee and send our texts via 3g internet and everything would work fine.
Has anyone here at XDA developers dug into this subject yet? I remember when i had aim people could send messages to my phone with aim and i could send messages to aim also.
I have the verizon fascinate (galaxy s). and this is my first cell phone
bump.
no one is interested in saving 10-15 dollars a month?
I (and a lot of other people) use Google Voice.
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I think you mean sending free messages. If the other has also a smartphone with internet, take a look at PingChat WhatsApp(both free).
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EleCtrOx666 said:
I think you mean sending free messages. If the other has also a smartphone with internet, take a look at PingChat WhatsApp(both free).
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ya this is the type of thing i am talking about.
although what would be ideal would be to not have to have a program like that. like somehow recieve/send texts normally with your cell number but just have it go through the 3g network and not the network the carrier uses for text/pics/vids.
So you want it to be sent/received the same way as SMS, but free....
Yeah.. No. You're going to have to use Google Voice or some sort of chat program.
i would say use ping or even kik, kik is getting very popular over cross platforms. (iPone, BB etc) as long as the other ppl have kik u should be able to text, if not jus look for a app on market
khaytsus said:
So you want it to be sent/received the same way as SMS, but free....
Yeah.. No. You're going to have to use Google Voice or some sort of chat program.
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ya i mean. thats just ludicrous. why try to save money. lets just continue being ripped off.....
cell phones with data packages should not have to pay for sending text/vids/pics. is that really hard to understand?
Wunako said:
i would say use ping or even kik, kik is getting very popular over cross platforms. (iPone, BB etc) as long as the other ppl have kik u should be able to text, if not jus look for a app on market
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i thought kik was just text and not pics or vid
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ya i mean. thats just ludicrous. why try to save money. lets just continue being ripped off.....
cell phones with data packages should not have to pay for sending text/vids/pics. is that really hard to understand?
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A text message has to be delivered to the recipient somehow. It doesn't go directly to the intended person but rather to your carrier. Your carrier will then either route it to the recipient if on the same network or forward the message to the recipient's network who takes over delivery. Guess who wants money to use their networks in this way?
If you want to text for free then you'll have to get a Google Voice number and route your texts through that. Google is basically doing the routing for free.
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A text message has to be delivered to the recipient somehow. It doesn't go directly to the intended person but rather to your carrier. Your carrier will then either route it to the recipient if on the same network or forward the message to the recipient's network who takes over delivery. Guess who wants money to use their networks in this way?
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do you seriously not understand what i am saying here? your paying for a 3g connection(INTERNET) that is fully capable of sending texts etc. While SIMULTANEOUSLY paying to use another form of connection to do the same job that is easily executed on the other internet connection.
the carrier could easily route text messages to use the 3g network instead of the sms/mms network. they choose not to because they can rip off people who dont realize the situation. what the hell do you think gmail is? come on guys. this isnt a hard concept to grasp.
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do you seriously not understand what i am saying here? your paying for a 3g connection(INTERNET) that is fully capable of sending texts etc. While SIMULTANEOUSLY paying to use another form of connection to do the same job that is easily executed on the other internet connection. Holy cow, you're either a slowpoke or a troll
the carrier could easily route text messages to use the 3g network instead of the sms/mms network. they choose not to because they can rip off people who dont realize the situation. what the hell do you think gmail is? come on guys. this isnt a hard concept to grasp.
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It is GOD DAMN IMPOSSIBLE to send texts over 3G until YOUR CARRIER allows you to cause ALL TEXTS go through the CARRIERS and you CAN'T hack into THEIR network.
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fupamobile said:
do you seriously not understand what i am saying here? your paying for a 3g connection(INTERNET) that is fully capable of sending texts etc. While SIMULTANEOUSLY paying to use another form of connection to do the same job that is easily executed on the other internet connection.
the carrier could easily route text messages to use the 3g network instead of the sms/mms network. they choose not to because they can rip off people who dont realize the situation.
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You're vastly oversimplifying this in your head. The infrastructure to send and receive text messages is already in place and works regardless of phone model and capabilities. You can have a smartphone, feature phone, or dumb phone (that can text) and the infrastructure will handle it all the same. Adding the capability to use the data connection to tap into this infrastructure would cost lots of money for the carriers and potentially expose the SMS infrastructure to vulnerabilities.
Could the carriers do this? Certainly, but they're not going to do it out of the goodness of their hearts. Not only would they be losing texting revenue from a larger and larger portion of their base but the costs to implement any such changes would be highly unlikely to bring in any return.
The carriers aren't providing services to make you feel good. They are in it to make money and will do so in ways that you might not agree with. Texting has proven to be a very viable revenue stream and the carriers certainly don't want to endanger that by developing alternative methods to access the same service at no cost just for you.
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what the hell do you think gmail is? come on guys. this isnt a hard concept to grasp.
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Email and SMS are very, very different. One has no guarantees about notification while the other depends on it.
K900 said:
It is GOD DAMN IMPOSSIBLE to send texts over 3G until YOUR CARRIER allows you to cause ALL TEXTS go through the CARRIERS and you CAN'T hack into THEIR network.
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read the entire post freak. never did i say we should hack into their network. your just mad
Spitemare said:
You're vastly oversimplifying this in your head. The infrastructure to send and receive text messages is already in place and works regardless of phone model and capabilities. You can have a smartphone, feature phone, or dumb phone (that can text) and the infrastructure will handle it all the same. Adding the capability to use the data connection to tap into this infrastructure would cost lots of money for the carriers and potentially expose the SMS infrastructure to vulnerabilities.
Could the carriers do this? Certainly, but they're not going to do it out of the goodness of their hearts. Not only would they be losing texting revenue from a larger and larger portion of their base but the costs to implement any such changes would be highly unlikely to bring in any return.
The carriers aren't providing services to make you feel good. They are in it to make money and will do so in ways that you might not agree with. Texting has proven to be a very viable revenue stream and the carriers certainly don't want to endanger that by developing alternative methods to access the same service at no cost just for you.
Email and SMS are very, very different. One has no guarantees about notification while the other depends on it.
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news flash bro, nothing in life has garauntees.
guess i better not send any more gmails to anyone.or use pingchat, or use whatsapp. it might cost my carrier lots of money........................
fupamobile has a point about sms charges, infact carriers in general, being a rip off.
hurrah for capatailisim and its greedy foot soliders
I don't normally bother with brainless posts like fupamobile's responses but damn... I get the point (and agree) about paying for texting. Now, you get a couple ACCURATE responses and start name-calling because you either don't understand or don't want to accept the given answers. Talk about obnoxious.
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I don't normally bother with brainless posts like fupamobile's responses but damn... I get the point (and agree) about paying for texting. Now, you get a couple ACCURATE responses and start name-calling because you either don't understand or don't want to accept the given answers. Talk about obnoxious.
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i give the attitude i receive. stupidity deserves it. u mad brah?
fupamobile said:
i give the attitude i receive. stupidity deserves it. u mad brah?
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I can't tell if you are just being a troll or are really that dim.
Google voice. I send what ever I want, just like I was using the "normal" text or sms services. I send them to the same numbers...it's transparent.
Why can't you understand? The q was answered long time ago.
fupamobile, you cannot do what you've proposed. If you want to use the SMS system, you must adhere to the current rules and regulations. You can circumvent being charged by using an instant messaging program, but you will not be able to use the actual SMS system without having to pay one way or another.
I live in Canada and we have the highest wireless rates in the world and I have unlimited messaging, 6GB of data and a very good plan which comes to about $50 a month after tax. You can't get everything in life for free. At least if you're in the United States you can use Google Voice and get free voice calling, I think even SMS but I'm not sure as it's not here. You can get very reasonable voice, data and text plans and with all the free calling and IM clients I can't see why one would also need free SMS. If it's that highly valued, simply subscribe to an SMS plan through your provider.
I personally send and receive thousands of SMS each month and could absolutely not survive without it. I use it more than voice services.
don't some plans give you free text to certain numbers? or is this a totally different topic? sorry for my confusion, cause here in aus, i get free text to people on the same carrier like i am. but if you mean free texts to everyone, then, my bad.
hahahahaha
let's start a thread that may as well ask "why do big corporations want our money?", and then argue with all the other realistic responses even though it's very clear that your dreams will never be realized because you're asking people to do something for free.
Do you not understand something about the world?
And yes, +1 for google voice essentially doing what you want.
-1 for you thinking that verizon would do the same.
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Ok so heres the odd thing
Older version of google voice app installed on my old Droidx phone, it would call any number through the same dialed out google voice number thereby allowing me to put that number into my friends and family list with verizon.
well, with the sgs3 and ICS it appears that old version of google voice is not compatible as it force closes when trying to use it.
So, I install the current version available from the market, BUT it still dials the SAME number from before, no matter what. It is always the same number. I have called a few hundred different people over the past 2 weeks and it has always been the same number (i keep checking to make sure)
to add to the confusion, I got another sgs3 for another line on the same verizon family plan (received the preorder 2 days later then mine) and perform the same installation of the old app and new app from the play store....... BUT that other line uses different numbers almost every time. I dont get it.
heres what I know:
-2 phones same version of the app act differently
-the google voice numbers themselves are sequential
-the emails for the google account are very similar ([email protected] and [email protected])
-the emails are both @gmail.com domain
-the people being called are the same
-the number google voice uses is different
-when calling, 10 digit number is being used on both phones
I thought maybe since I installed the old version of the app and then the new version that maybe something got left behind, nope, i have flashed about 6 different roms and factory reset a dozen times. I have even deleted the system and restored with different stock images.
Does anyone have any insight here? how this could be? how to change the varying number google voice account/app dials and make it the same number as the other one or even a different number but make it dial that number each time?
Im lost here, with no rhyme or reason. any help? anyone? ty
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WOW 79 people viewed this and not one could reply?
Well I figured out how to get it dialing one number again.
all you do is...
you know maybe no one cares, never mind I will keep it to myself unless theres a demand for knowing how to do it.
I have the same problem as you. I've been looking for a fix but haven't gotten any help either
Sent from Verizon's now unlocked Galaxy S3.
I will pm you.
questions first ......are the calls going through to your person you are trying to call?
psycopanther said:
questions first ......are the calls going through to your person you are trying to call?
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yes. the call completes fine, its just that the number it dials out on (not my gv number, but the dialing number that initiates the call) think of it similar to a calling card. where you dial a number to get access to the call.
Anyways, I dial a number, say Brian, I hit call and it dials a gv number then connects me to Brians number. That gv number changes and is random seemingly, so one cant put the numbers into say their A-list or Verizon's friends and family as they use to be able to before....
well, i guess, until now.
ah yea, i know exactly what you are talking about. google changed that a good while back in their app. I noticed this also because i woul use the google number that it called in my 10 free friends number alot (may be one reason they had to change it, verizon got jelly of a number not using any minutes). you can actually google about it ( i did when it happened ) and i actually found the app that was lower version that did not use different numbers (access numbers).
also, one thing i remember reading did state that they most likely changed this setup because of the need to add more access numbers due to increased popularity.
i actually have used my GV number for 2+ years i believe as a alternate primary line to my business (was great idea when i had the number as a free friend number.
hopes this helps ?
well the old version of the app worked........ until i got on the sgs3 with ics, it force closes now (on old version)....
But do not fear, for I have figured out how to get it to work like it use to!!! I have it dialing the same number again and again. it was exciting since I have multiple gv numbers that we use as our main number (different people in the family) ty what you posted does help... Im not the only one needing this. ty
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well the old version of the app worked........ until i got on the sgs3 with ics, it force closes now (on old version)....
But do not fear, for I have figured out how to get it to work like it use to!!! I have it dialing the same number again and again. it was exciting since I have multiple gv numbers that we use as our main number (different people in the family) ty what you posted does help... Im not the only one needing this. ty
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how did you get it to work or were you not going to say?
Im gauging demand.
It doesnt/didnt seem like anyone cared or knew about the app and its functionality. If thats the case, then I will keep how I have it working to myself, but if others find they could use it... ty
You realize you wasted four or five posts saying you were not going to reveal the way how, unless you had the peoples interests. when you could have only used up one post. Kinda seems wasteful of your time and mine when you are in a question and answer thread category, instead not a beg and ye shall receive one.
If you wish to be asked for this by a group of followers than good luck as I for one will not give any more of my time nor knowing waste a servers space. Space is not free if you are unaware.
I do not wish any hard feelings toward you nor your opinions and morals but I assume you want only honest replies when you ask a question here and I am replying as expected.
Sorry for the length.
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You realize you wasted four or five posts saying you were not going to reveal the way how, unless you had the peoples interests. when you could have only used up one post. Kinda seems wasteful of your time and mine when you are in a question and answer thread category, instead not a beg and ye shall receive one.
If you wish to be asked for this by a group of followers than good luck as I for one will not give any more of my time nor knowing waste a servers space. Space is not free if you are unaware.
I do not wish any hard feelings toward you nor your opinions and morals but I assume you want only honest replies when you ask a question here and I am replying as expected.
Sorry for the length.
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you are right, I have posted a few times. but when only 2 other people are talking about the thread that is a month old, and only explaining their interest surely you can see just how frustrating it was that no one offered any insight until I said I figured it out. I mean if the thread wasnt worth the time when there wasnt a way, it sure shouldnt mean any more now that I figured it out .... right? btw, you did post "questions first" I appreciate your interest now though.
I dont mind sharing it one off with people as I have already shared it with others here. Frankly though, maybe your right... I will just shut my mouth and not share it and refrain from continuing to post to see if there is more interest here for it. sorry I wasted your time.
p.s. I wouldnt worry about server resources here, surely youve seen some of the other threads go on and on for hundreds of posts not saying anything. But I have reported thread to be deleted.
ty
Well due to such a great demand for people wanting to know how to do this, I have asked the thread be unlocked. I didnt want to argue in any other posters thread so I simply linked it to this one that really is the original one.
There should be some caution explained that Verizon probably doesnt like this because it sort of abuses the Friends and Family list. Afterall, this really is only useful to the people on a tiered MINUTE plan (unlike newer plans that have unlimited voice but tiered data). Google obviously folded to pressure from the Cellular providers back when versions after 0.3.0 where released. I know personally I save nearly 500 minutes a month on outgoing calls alone. Configured correctly, a user could effectively eliminate all minutes on the line using Google Voice.
As we should all be cautious about posting this method publicly because there is a reason this is so 'difficult' to do, please just pm me so that we hopefully dont give this to verizon so easily. I am asking that all that is posted here is:
Thanks
"Yep, it works...." (or similar)
Please dont post any details about this publicly, even in this thread. If you are having a hard time getting it to work after a pm with me, just message me again, I will happily help. If you dont like this or think I shouldnt do it this way, you can pm me.
I dont want to argue with anyone about this. Thanks for understanding.
Thanks tillithz... worked like a charm!
Hello all.
After having some good time with note 2 whatsapp group, I am thinking of starting a similar group for note 3 users. In my experience its quite useful as one can get instant help from group members, chit chat related to phones, discussions on roms, apps etc.
Anyone interested can join. I am adding a link to a google doc sheet. Add your num and name and then I will add you.
<LINK REMOVED>
9 people have added their details so far. Will wait for a few more to get started.
I am only able to add 6 people as others are not appearing with whats app icon. Kindly check the sheet and try adding me. Invitation sent to other 6 guys.
Add me as well.
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Add me as well.
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HAve you added the num?
The group might get removed as my whatsapp has been blocked. LOl WTF.
why?
sohebq said:
The group might get removed as my whatsapp has been blocked. LOl WTF.
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Im trying to add myself but is not workin Alphys +1514-679-2433
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aouni_tahech said:
why?
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Just really dont know what happened, I never breached any policy, they just blocked me
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sohebq said:
Just really dont know what happened, I never breached any policy, they just blocked me
Sent from Galaxy Note 3 (The beauty & beast)
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WhatsApp killed your account? - Unless you are sending malicious texts they won't stop your account. - only people who can block you are the end users themselves. also WhatsApp is known to stop randomly working. a reinstall often fixes it. try a direct msg with someone, PM me i'll give you my number if you wish to try
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WhatsApp killed your account? - Unless you are sending malicious texts they won't stop your account. - only people who can block you are the end users themselves. also WhatsApp is known to stop randomly working. a reinstall often fixes it. try a direct msg with someone, PM me i'll give you my number if you wish to try
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I am using it for 6 months dude, I never ever sent any kind of malicious text. I am now getting the message that your number is no longer allowed to use our services. Its been 5 days with that, I even sent them emails too, no reply. I am still in shock. I am thinking of 2 things.
Someone might have reported me as a spam and they took action.
Or
I was sending group invited randomly to people who added their details, may be they took it as spamming?
But note 2 group admin did the same and nothing happened.
I wish there is a way out.
Sent from Galaxy Note 3 (The beauty & beast)
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I am using it for 6 months dude, I never ever sent any kind of malicious text. I am now getting the message that your number is no longer allowed to use our services. Its been 5 days with that, I even sent them emails too, no reply. I am still in shock. I am thinking of 2 things.
Someone might have reported me as a spam and they took action.
Or
I was sending group invited randomly to people who added their details, may be they took it as spamming?
But note 2 group admin did the same and nothing happened.
I wish there is a way out.
Sent from Galaxy Note 3 (The beauty & beast)
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Ahh, mass adding numbers may have triggered their spam filter, however in order for it to work you need to have people in your phone book so not sure why it has triggered. - It is possible it has been reported or an online bot has picked up on it as the spread sheet is available publicly? -- Their support does indeed suck tbh, spam them on Twitter they usually reply pretty quick there!
EDIT: Alternative is to set up a BBM group instead man they have a massive group function and it's easier to manage
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Ahh, mass adding numbers may have triggered their spam filter, however in order for it to work you need to have people in your phone book so not sure why it has triggered. - It is possible it has been reported or an online bot has picked up on it as the spread sheet is available publicly? -- Their support does indeed suck tbh, spam them on Twitter they usually reply pretty quick there!
EDIT: Alternative is to set up a BBM group instead man they have a massive group function and it's easier to manage
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Lets see. I will try a dirty trick now. Will insert another sim to activate account and then will try reinserting my sim to see if it works.
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is this group still going? its a fantastic idea...super quick help & discussions etc etc.....count me in if its still going
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Hello all.
After having some good time with note 2 whatsapp group, I am thinking of starting a similar group for note 3 users. In my experience its quite useful as one can get instant help from group members, chit chat related to phones, discussions on roms, apps etc.
Anyone interested can join. I am adding a link to a google doc sheet. Add your num and name and then I will add you.
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Hi,
Sharing of personal information like phone numbers etc can lead to a lot of unknown inconvenience, no matter how good the intentions are.
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I went from being with AT&T and an iPhone to T-Mobile with the unlocked Moto X Style (Pure). Before setting up T-Mobile on the Moto X, I did the following:
Manually followed Apple's instructions on deregistering iMessage on my iPhone, iPad, and MacBook: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203042
Unfortunately, I became the victim of the following problem listed on that Apple support page - "In some cases, you might not get a message after you deregister iMessage if the person sending you a text is using an existing old conversation. Ask the person to start a new conversation to send you a message. To do so, they'll first need to swipe to the left to delete the existing conversation."
So on my wife's iPhone, my mom's iPhone, and my dad's iPhone, I deleted all iMessage conversations in which I was a member (both group and one to one). I did the same on my mom and dad's iPads. I couldn't do this on my sister's iPhone or her MacBook because she was out of the country. It's simply unreasonable to expect me to ask every single person I've had an iMessage conversation with to delete any and all conversations in which I am a member on all of their iOS and OS X devices.
Various problems with group texts with iPhones users:
Messages were never received at all
Messages came into my email instead of my SMS app
I'd receive messages from some group members but not others
In the end, as my phone must be a reliable communication tool, I'm left with no choice but to return my Moto X and get an iPhone again. Every 18 months or so, I'll get a new phone and I usually go from iPhone to Android or Android to iPhone, and I've never had problems this severe before. Kudos to Apple for coming up with a technical solution for preventing people from leaving its platform. I'm torn because I really like to hop back and forth between platforms as I think both OSes are very good at specific things. Ultimately, Apple has won - not by winning my heart but by developing a communication platform that prohibits users from leaving.
Heed this advice. If you have never used iMessage, do not start. Use the Signal app for encrypted text messages. It's available for both iOS and Android. I still believe iMessage is fantastic for communication within the Apple ecosystem, but I can no longer recommend it, as Apple makes it impossible to use competing products without going to great lengths to ensure everyone you have ever communicated with has deleted their SMS history with you.
Why not just tell em to stop using imessage to contact you and just use sms lol
Maybe I'm missing something, I thought iOS users could choose how to send messages
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I feel for you man. The way iMessage and SMS behave in ios is a mess. I know one person in particular who keeps having iMessage switched off in settings (she swears she isn't doing it). Every time that happens any texts from other ios users just sit in Apple's servers waiting patiently to be delivered to a phone that is refusing to use iMessage.
It might be an unintended consequence, but it sure is a poor implementation from a tech savvy company. It really stinks of anti-competitive behavior. Very discouraging to the average smartphone user to leave ios for android and suddenly not get texts from iphone using contacts. I've found many tend to blame the wrong platform, thinking their new android is the problem not Apple hijacking their contacts' messages. Apple has at least sort of admitted they've caused a problem, but their fix for it is pretty slapdash.
jacobas92 said:
Why not just tell em to stop using imessage to contact you and just use sms lol
Maybe I'm missing something, I thought iOS users could choose how to send messages
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That's what I was thinking. Why return a really great phone because the other guys can't get their Sh!t straight. Or more realistically, refuse to cooperate with everyone because they depend solely on their "exclusivity" BS. But hey, do what you gotta do R0b0, like you said you have to be able to communicate. Oddly enough though, the entire female side of my family and also my brother in law use iphones with me and my dad being on Androids and both on Tmobile and we don't seem to have problems between each other. Possibly APN settings maybe?
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That's what I was thinking. Why return a really great phone because the other guys can't get their Sh!t straight. Or more realistically, refuse to cooperate with everyone because they depend solely on their "exclusivity" BS. But hey, do what you gotta do R0b0, like you said you have to be able to communicate. Oddly enough though, the entire female side of my family and also my brother in law use iphones with me and my dad being on Androids and both on Tmobile and we don't seem to have problems between each other. Possibly APN settings maybe?
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There's nothing like APN settings you can do to fix it from the android side.
It is all about how iphones try to send messages through iMessage and only fall back to SMS when the contact they're sending to isn't registered with iMessage. If you've never used an iphone or haven't used one in a long time it is not a problem. You run into problems when you leave iphone. All your contacts' iphones continue to try and communicate with you through iMessage, and your texts just pile up in Apples servers.
As OP has noted it can be overcome with some user intervention. Sorry Apple users, I'm sure there are some very technical ones among you especially here, but I've found that the average iphone user hasn't even noticed that some of their texts are green and some are blue. And they have absolutely no clue about the difference between an SMS and an iMessage.
I thought all you had to do was deregister your number from imessage servers?
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It's apple's innovative approach to ensuring you stay tethered to the apple mothership
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It's apple's innovative approach to ensuring you stay tethered to the apple mothership
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All hail the mothership....................
I sense a class action lawsuit in the future...
I wonder if iPhone users want to switch but Apple won't let them go freely. Does people who have iPhone's really love this desperate act Apple has over their customers? Sad
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but it sure is a poor implementation from a tech savvy company.
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r0b0m1nd said:
I'm left with no choice[/I] but to return my Moto X and get an iPhone again.
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My main issue with Signal is that it doesn't allow full MMS backups unless you use Titanium. Other than that it's a great tool.
jacobas92 said:
Why not just tell em to stop using imessage to contact you and just use sms lol
Maybe I'm missing something, I thought iOS users could choose how to send messages
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I have hundreds of contacts in my contact list and no idea who uses iOS or Android. I could send a mass text to everyone with instructions on how to do send as SMS, but any subsequent reply to the text will go to everyone in the group, and it would be chaos. And the message wouldn't even apply to my Android contacts. I could BCC email all of them instead, but I don't have the email address for many of my contacts. Or I could convince a friend with an iPhone to back up their iPhone, let me restore my iPhone backup to their phone, go through every single iMessage conversation and note who I was conversing with, and then send an individual text message to each one of these people from my Android phone, telling them how to send as SMS to me.
In the end, this places the burden on family, friends, and acquaintances to go through their message history and select to send as SMS to any individual or group exchange in which I was a member.
Again, I could try all of these things. But it would be a huge time sink for both myself and scores of my family and friends, and after what I've experienced so far, I can't even be sure that this would be the end of it. When I was younger and had more free time, I would have tinkered around more. But I'm married with pets and have a full time job. I want to spend my free time with my wife, dog, rabbits, and Rocket League - not spend hours tapping on my phone. Returning my Moto X and getting a new iPhone takes far less time and effort, even if it means letting Apple win this battle.
r0b0m1nd said:
I have hundreds of contacts in my contact list and no idea who uses iOS or Android. I could send a mass text to everyone with instructions on how to do send as SMS, but any subsequent reply to the text will go to everyone in the group, and it would be chaos. And the message wouldn't even apply to my Android contacts. I could BCC email all of them instead, but I don't have the email address for many of my contacts. Or I could convince a friend with an iPhone to back up their iPhone, let me restore my iPhone backup to their phone, go through every single iMessage conversation and note who I was conversing with, and then send an individual text message to each one of these people from my Android phone, telling them how to send as SMS to me.
In the end, this places the burden on family, friends, and acquaintances to go through their message history and select to send as SMS to any individual or group exchange in which I was a member.
Again, I could try all of these things. But it would be a huge time sink for both myself and scores of my family and friends, and after what I've experienced so far, I can't even be sure that this would be the end of it. When I was younger and had more free time, I would have tinkered around more. But I'm married with pets and have a full time job. I want to spend my free time with my wife, dog, rabbits, and Rocket League - not spend hours tapping on my phone. Returning my Moto X and getting a new iPhone takes far less time and effort, even if it means letting Apple win this battle.
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I get your frustration. And in the end, when all of your friends with iPhones can't contact you but they can still contact each other, it only strengthens their opinion of Apple while making Android seem more like a joke. Agh.
But did you ever try contacting Apple support? They can manually deregister your device from their servers--if that's what the problem is.
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I get your frustration. And in the end, when all of your friends with iPhones can't contact you but they can still contact each other, it only strengthens their opinion of Apple while making Android seem more like a joke. Agh.
But did you ever try contacting Apple support? They can manually deregister your device from their servers--if that's what the problem is.
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Yeah that's what I figured, like if they/you deregistered your number then it would send as SMS from what I've read.
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This is yet another scenario that keeps me away from the iPhone.
I had the same problem!! It had something to do with the phone carrier number in your messaging app. I couldn't find this setting on this device. But the stock messaging app on my samsung a3 had these settings. So i changed the number on that device. And after that i switched the sim cards. After that it worked as it should!
As an ex applecare rep who much prefers Android, yes op, call applecare and ask them to deregister your cell as a valid imessage contact.
Any device that is running iOS 7.1 or later should change back to sms for your number within 72 hours. Instant for iOS 8 and above. For devices running previous to ios 7.1 the device only refreshes existing messaging threads on reboot or deletion of the specific imessage thread.
However make the call and enjoy the pure. It's a great phone! https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201232
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Here in the UK people have largely ditched SMS in favour of WhatsApp because of that very issue. WhatsApp is cross platform and most phone plans have generous data allowances even on PAYG.
I had the same problem when I switched from my iPhone last year but other than my mum, I don't think I send SMS messages to anyone else now.
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Too true, I have 3000 messages allowance on my current contract and I use less than 50 throughout the month thanks to WhatsApp, Facebook messenger and unlimited 4G data