well I am one of the types of people that think being charged for sending text is ridiculous when i have internet on my phone
But just sending text to someones cell number, rather than email/aim/other Instant messengers that not many people use, is pretty convenient. cell providers could easily scrap the fee and send our texts via 3g internet and everything would work fine.
Has anyone here at XDA developers dug into this subject yet? I remember when i had aim people could send messages to my phone with aim and i could send messages to aim also.
I have the verizon fascinate (galaxy s). and this is my first cell phone
bump.
no one is interested in saving 10-15 dollars a month?
I (and a lot of other people) use Google Voice.
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I think you mean sending free messages. If the other has also a smartphone with internet, take a look at PingChat WhatsApp(both free).
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I think you mean sending free messages. If the other has also a smartphone with internet, take a look at PingChat WhatsApp(both free).
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ya this is the type of thing i am talking about.
although what would be ideal would be to not have to have a program like that. like somehow recieve/send texts normally with your cell number but just have it go through the 3g network and not the network the carrier uses for text/pics/vids.
So you want it to be sent/received the same way as SMS, but free....
Yeah.. No. You're going to have to use Google Voice or some sort of chat program.
i would say use ping or even kik, kik is getting very popular over cross platforms. (iPone, BB etc) as long as the other ppl have kik u should be able to text, if not jus look for a app on market
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So you want it to be sent/received the same way as SMS, but free....
Yeah.. No. You're going to have to use Google Voice or some sort of chat program.
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ya i mean. thats just ludicrous. why try to save money. lets just continue being ripped off.....
cell phones with data packages should not have to pay for sending text/vids/pics. is that really hard to understand?
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i would say use ping or even kik, kik is getting very popular over cross platforms. (iPone, BB etc) as long as the other ppl have kik u should be able to text, if not jus look for a app on market
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i thought kik was just text and not pics or vid
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ya i mean. thats just ludicrous. why try to save money. lets just continue being ripped off.....
cell phones with data packages should not have to pay for sending text/vids/pics. is that really hard to understand?
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A text message has to be delivered to the recipient somehow. It doesn't go directly to the intended person but rather to your carrier. Your carrier will then either route it to the recipient if on the same network or forward the message to the recipient's network who takes over delivery. Guess who wants money to use their networks in this way?
If you want to text for free then you'll have to get a Google Voice number and route your texts through that. Google is basically doing the routing for free.
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A text message has to be delivered to the recipient somehow. It doesn't go directly to the intended person but rather to your carrier. Your carrier will then either route it to the recipient if on the same network or forward the message to the recipient's network who takes over delivery. Guess who wants money to use their networks in this way?
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do you seriously not understand what i am saying here? your paying for a 3g connection(INTERNET) that is fully capable of sending texts etc. While SIMULTANEOUSLY paying to use another form of connection to do the same job that is easily executed on the other internet connection.
the carrier could easily route text messages to use the 3g network instead of the sms/mms network. they choose not to because they can rip off people who dont realize the situation. what the hell do you think gmail is? come on guys. this isnt a hard concept to grasp.
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do you seriously not understand what i am saying here? your paying for a 3g connection(INTERNET) that is fully capable of sending texts etc. While SIMULTANEOUSLY paying to use another form of connection to do the same job that is easily executed on the other internet connection. Holy cow, you're either a slowpoke or a troll
the carrier could easily route text messages to use the 3g network instead of the sms/mms network. they choose not to because they can rip off people who dont realize the situation. what the hell do you think gmail is? come on guys. this isnt a hard concept to grasp.
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It is GOD DAMN IMPOSSIBLE to send texts over 3G until YOUR CARRIER allows you to cause ALL TEXTS go through the CARRIERS and you CAN'T hack into THEIR network.
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do you seriously not understand what i am saying here? your paying for a 3g connection(INTERNET) that is fully capable of sending texts etc. While SIMULTANEOUSLY paying to use another form of connection to do the same job that is easily executed on the other internet connection.
the carrier could easily route text messages to use the 3g network instead of the sms/mms network. they choose not to because they can rip off people who dont realize the situation.
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You're vastly oversimplifying this in your head. The infrastructure to send and receive text messages is already in place and works regardless of phone model and capabilities. You can have a smartphone, feature phone, or dumb phone (that can text) and the infrastructure will handle it all the same. Adding the capability to use the data connection to tap into this infrastructure would cost lots of money for the carriers and potentially expose the SMS infrastructure to vulnerabilities.
Could the carriers do this? Certainly, but they're not going to do it out of the goodness of their hearts. Not only would they be losing texting revenue from a larger and larger portion of their base but the costs to implement any such changes would be highly unlikely to bring in any return.
The carriers aren't providing services to make you feel good. They are in it to make money and will do so in ways that you might not agree with. Texting has proven to be a very viable revenue stream and the carriers certainly don't want to endanger that by developing alternative methods to access the same service at no cost just for you.
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what the hell do you think gmail is? come on guys. this isnt a hard concept to grasp.
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Email and SMS are very, very different. One has no guarantees about notification while the other depends on it.
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It is GOD DAMN IMPOSSIBLE to send texts over 3G until YOUR CARRIER allows you to cause ALL TEXTS go through the CARRIERS and you CAN'T hack into THEIR network.
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read the entire post freak. never did i say we should hack into their network. your just mad
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You're vastly oversimplifying this in your head. The infrastructure to send and receive text messages is already in place and works regardless of phone model and capabilities. You can have a smartphone, feature phone, or dumb phone (that can text) and the infrastructure will handle it all the same. Adding the capability to use the data connection to tap into this infrastructure would cost lots of money for the carriers and potentially expose the SMS infrastructure to vulnerabilities.
Could the carriers do this? Certainly, but they're not going to do it out of the goodness of their hearts. Not only would they be losing texting revenue from a larger and larger portion of their base but the costs to implement any such changes would be highly unlikely to bring in any return.
The carriers aren't providing services to make you feel good. They are in it to make money and will do so in ways that you might not agree with. Texting has proven to be a very viable revenue stream and the carriers certainly don't want to endanger that by developing alternative methods to access the same service at no cost just for you.
Email and SMS are very, very different. One has no guarantees about notification while the other depends on it.
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news flash bro, nothing in life has garauntees.
guess i better not send any more gmails to anyone.or use pingchat, or use whatsapp. it might cost my carrier lots of money........................
fupamobile has a point about sms charges, infact carriers in general, being a rip off.
hurrah for capatailisim and its greedy foot soliders
I don't normally bother with brainless posts like fupamobile's responses but damn... I get the point (and agree) about paying for texting. Now, you get a couple ACCURATE responses and start name-calling because you either don't understand or don't want to accept the given answers. Talk about obnoxious.
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I don't normally bother with brainless posts like fupamobile's responses but damn... I get the point (and agree) about paying for texting. Now, you get a couple ACCURATE responses and start name-calling because you either don't understand or don't want to accept the given answers. Talk about obnoxious.
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i give the attitude i receive. stupidity deserves it. u mad brah?
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i give the attitude i receive. stupidity deserves it. u mad brah?
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I can't tell if you are just being a troll or are really that dim.
Google voice. I send what ever I want, just like I was using the "normal" text or sms services. I send them to the same numbers...it's transparent.
Why can't you understand? The q was answered long time ago.
fupamobile, you cannot do what you've proposed. If you want to use the SMS system, you must adhere to the current rules and regulations. You can circumvent being charged by using an instant messaging program, but you will not be able to use the actual SMS system without having to pay one way or another.
I live in Canada and we have the highest wireless rates in the world and I have unlimited messaging, 6GB of data and a very good plan which comes to about $50 a month after tax. You can't get everything in life for free. At least if you're in the United States you can use Google Voice and get free voice calling, I think even SMS but I'm not sure as it's not here. You can get very reasonable voice, data and text plans and with all the free calling and IM clients I can't see why one would also need free SMS. If it's that highly valued, simply subscribe to an SMS plan through your provider.
I personally send and receive thousands of SMS each month and could absolutely not survive without it. I use it more than voice services.
don't some plans give you free text to certain numbers? or is this a totally different topic? sorry for my confusion, cause here in aus, i get free text to people on the same carrier like i am. but if you mean free texts to everyone, then, my bad.
hahahahaha
let's start a thread that may as well ask "why do big corporations want our money?", and then argue with all the other realistic responses even though it's very clear that your dreams will never be realized because you're asking people to do something for free.
Do you not understand something about the world?
And yes, +1 for google voice essentially doing what you want.
-1 for you thinking that verizon would do the same.
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Hello Guys,
I've been on here for a while, and I've recently started my own business call Peekamo. It's a SMS based forum system (not made to replace this forum at all, more like a VERY IMPORTANT POSTS ONLY FORUM), along with personal SMS to anyone at no cost (aka FREE). These are all "real" sms, not smtp so that means not you or the receiver gets charged.
This is my attempt at causing a ripple in the high priced SMS market that the providers currently take advantage of.
So please try it out and let me know what you think. It's still in beta, so please understand if something things are out of place. I would really appreciate any comments or suggestions you may have.
I've already created a forum for XDA users, you can create your own if you wish. Our service currently works in US and Canada, and we're working on getting the rest of the world ready by the end of the month.
Thanks and hope to hear from you all soon.
The site is peekamo.com
Cheers!
Hi,
Very interesting! when I can will accesss those services from Venezuela?.
Regards,
Taguapire.
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Hi,
Very interesting! when I can will accesss those services from Venezuela?.
Regards,
Taguapire.
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Very shorly, I am just finalizing some details with my international provider. I will keep everyone posted on any changes.
Thanks!!!
Taguapire.
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Hello Guys,
I've been on here for a while, and I've recently started my own business call Peekamo. It's a SMS based forum system (not made to replace this forum at all, more like a VERY IMPORTANT POSTS ONLY FORUM), along with personal SMS to anyone at no cost (aka FREE). These are all "real" sms, not smtp so that means not you or the receiver gets charged.
This is my attempt at causing a ripple in the high priced SMS market that the providers currently take advantage of.
So please try it out and let me know what you think. It's still in beta, so please understand if something things are out of place. I would really appreciate any comments or suggestions you may have.
I've already created a forum for XDA users, you can create your own if you wish. Our service currently works in US and Canada, and we're working on getting the rest of the world ready by the end of the month.
Thanks and hope to hear from you all soon.
The site is peekamo.com
Cheers!
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Axiom, great to see that we also have some real entrepreneurs among this community. I wish you the best of luck for your venture.
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Axiom, great to see that we also have some real entrepreneurs among this community. I wish you the best of luck for your venture.
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Thank you. Our vision for this concept came by when my partner and I were at a club with another friend. After about 2 hours our friend gave his number to this girl that he met. At 6:00 we were at a breakfast place when all of a sudden the phone rings, and guess who it was. Yup, it was the girl. She called every few hours after that bothering him and sending him text messages.
That brought on the idea of anonymizing cell phone numbers by linking them to an ID with the ability to block out people from texting you. When you're finished with an ID and picked up all the girls/boys that you've ever wanted to, just change your ID and the connection is over right there and then.
Other then the anonymity feature, we found that we need to create a community presence so that everyone can use their new Peekamo IDs with others and share common intrests without giving up their phone number.
I don't even use my email as much as I use my peekamo id, and when I use email I sign it "dont' even think of replying, just peekamo me."
Hope to see more of you there.
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axiom said:
Hello Guys,
I've been on here for a while, and I've recently started my own business call Peekamo. It's a SMS based forum system (not made to replace this forum at all, more like a VERY IMPORTANT POSTS ONLY FORUM), along with personal SMS to anyone at no cost (aka FREE). These are all "real" sms, not smtp so that means not you or the receiver gets charged.
This is my attempt at causing a ripple in the high priced SMS market that the providers currently take advantage of.
So please try it out and let me know what you think. It's still in beta, so please understand if something things are out of place. I would really appreciate any comments or suggestions you may have.
I've already created a forum for XDA users, you can create your own if you wish. Our service currently works in US and Canada, and we're working on getting the rest of the world ready by the end of the month.
Thanks and hope to hear from you all soon.
The site is peekamo.com
Cheers!
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Ok, So a couple of questions:
1. I signed up, it sent me 2 different "codes" through sms to use as verification, but neither is working. I will be glad to send more information if you wish, let me know your preferred method (PM, email, etc). I guess that wasn't really a question, but whatever.
2. When you say free, how is this done? I pay per text message on Cingular. Your website says "Save more money on your phone bill by using Peekamo.com and send and receive SMS at no cost." I am still going to pay per text message to Cingular, right? Have you figured out some way for them to not charge me per text message? As an example, I am sure I'll be paying $0.20 for the two previously mentioned text message "codes" when I get my Cingular bill. If you have figured out some method for me to use sms from my phone, at no cost, well, holy crap.
3. This ain't no question either. I just want to say regardless of the answers to my above questions, thanks for jumping in to the arena and providing something. We need more people willing to jump.
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Ok, So a couple of questions:
1. I signed up, it sent me 2 different "codes" through sms to use as verification, but neither is working. I will be glad to send more information if you wish, let me know your preferred method (PM, email, etc). I guess that wasn't really a question, but whatever.
2. When you say free, how is this done? I pay per text message on Cingular. Your website says "Save more money on your phone bill by using Peekamo.com and send and receive SMS at no cost." I am still going to pay per text message to Cingular, right? Have you figured out some way for them to not charge me per text message? As an example, I am sure I'll be paying $0.20 for the two previously mentioned text message "codes" when I get my Cingular bill. If you have figured out some method for me to use sms from my phone, at no cost, well, holy crap.
3. This ain't no question either. I just want to say regardless of the answers to my above questions, thanks for jumping in to the arena and providing something. We need more people willing to jump.
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1. Make sure enter your phone number, email address, and code. Becareful you are not entering zero for O and vice versa. I will check your code in a bit
2. You WILL NOT BE CHARGED for the messages you received, nor will you be charged for any messages sent through the Peekamo network. You are right on the money, just like you pay .20 per msg, Peekamo pays per messages. We subsidize it through ad text at the bottom of the message of up to 20 characters. I think that is fair, no? Peekamo is one of only full no charge sending or receiving text message service in North America, everyone else uses SMTP, so you send free but the receiver pays.
3. Trust me, I know all about the lack of services such as ours. I fully intend on making waves in the industry that's monopolized by the carriers. With enough users on our network, we could seriously cause carriers like Cingular to rethink their 50% price increases in text messaging.
out of curiosity... how do you make money on this? since you stated its your business... is it from the advertising alone?
Do be completely honest. Right now, we don't make money. And it's not all about money. You tube never made a cent, and till today they show negative loses. We are trying to create a service that will be noticed and that will help the mobile community.
We also don't let businesses come on and start their own groups. Businesses pay to create their own private groups just like any other forum or service.
Our goal is to be wide spread and known, not to just make money.
You should go on to the site and check out the about us section, in there you will find all the information you are looking for.
He/She keeps sending me text messages from the same number. I told that person to stop but he/she still insists in persisting.
I'm using AT&T, and AT&T gave me to choices: 1) Pay AT&T 15 dollars a month to block a number and 2) Change my phone number for FREE.
I have reasons not to change my phone number and I can not afford 15 dollars a month for phone calls.
Will any techniques work in stopping this harasser from harassing me?
Or does anyone know a good software (I'll freaking pay for it) that I can use to ****ing deny text messages from this person?
Sometimes I even get phone calls from that number. Also......sometimes he/she attempts to call me as "unknown".
Other than that... if he/she keeps harassing me. I have no choice but to publicize his/her number so I can ruin his/her life for trying to ruin mine.
Cant you complaint to police instead?
I have an idea; change your voicemail to YouMail instead of ATT, then setup a Ditch Caller greeting/action and ditch the call or have them hear the same message all the time.
Free and pretty simple. You just can't answer your calls blind and must have caller id working. If the caller gets wize and calls from a blocked number you can ditch or block those too.
SPB Phone Suite allows call filtering. It can direct numbers on your 'black list' straight to voicemail.
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Someone on xda has made a freeware call firewall. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=307178
I had this happening to me last year. The phone company (Orange at the time) were unhelpful so I responded to a text that if they did not stop I would contact the police. The offending text messages duly stopped.
The freeware call firewall sounds great. I´ve never had a problem like this but what can the police say or do?
My first thought was to spam him 10x back with some kind of automatic SMS sending service.
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The freeware call firewall sounds great. I´ve never had a problem like this but what can the police say or do?
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In the UK they can arrest the offender and caution them. If that fails then they are liable to prosecution.
A caution alone will flag up on a criminal records check - which is needed in the UK for some jobs - particularly working with children - which will will prevent you from being employed.
That's all assuming the police have the time or inclination to respond to your complaint.
Hi,
http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs3-hrs2.htm
The link may offer some information to you. I dont want to scare you but if it persists you need to get proper professional help for your own personal safety, DO NOT ignore it, any form of stalking whether your a man or woman is a serious matter and I am speaking from experience.
Isnt there an app called "Do not disturb".
I used it once. Do a search on it.
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I'm using AT&T, and AT&T gave me to choices: 1) Pay AT&T 15 dollars a month to block a number and 2) Change my phone number for FREE.
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What in the hell? AT&T actually forces you to pay $15 per month (in other words, as much as they charge for unlimited data) to block someone from harassing you? Aren't telecommunication companies supposed to help you or at least offer information to the police in cases of harassment and stalking?
Other people have offer good advice, but I'm going to have to agree with calling the police.
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What in the hell? AT&T actually forces you to pay $15 per month (in other words, as much as they charge for unlimited data) to block someone from harassing you? Aren't telecommunication companies supposed to help you or at least offer information to the police in cases of harassment and stalking?
Other people have offer good advice, but I'm going to have to agree with calling the police.
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What do you think capitalism is?
Ok guys, I need to know how to extract the messages into text. I would like to upload the messages from my phone to show you what my problem is.
I used a great method, which did not involve sending the information to police, dealing with courts (which causes you to miss work), or paying extra fees for software or from protection from my wireless provider.
I simply recorded (or found on the internet) an audio clip of "*annoying sound bit*this number has been disconnected", I let it repeat twice like the phone companies do. I then placed that for my voicemail greeting.
There is plenty of free software available you can use to blacklist callers. So blacklist the callers phone number and use the disconnected greeting. It will work like a charm because it will go directly to your voicemail. Eventually the text and phone calls will stop.
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What do you think capitalism is?
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What's with the snarky response? As I recall, 'capitalism' is a system in which the means of production is owned by individuals, and I don't think that inherently requires them to charge a high fee for absolutely everything. Of course, I also know that doesn't mean they won't do it if the consumer lets it.
You know, just forget it. I really don't care if AT&T charges $15 per month to block a number.
I offered a free, viable and immediate solution. So did others.
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What's with the snarky response? As I recall, 'capitalism' is a system in which the means of production is owned by individuals, and I don't think that inherently requires them to charge a high fee for absolutely everything. Of course, I also know that doesn't mean they won't do it if the consumer lets it.
You know, just forget it. I really don't care if AT&T charges $15 per month to block a number.
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I wasn't trying to be rude. I've been thinking about filing a report the police station. And all the other advices are highly considered too. But of all else, there was nothing that was meant to be rude.
(Please don't be offended, as well. I am not for socialism)
For exporting your sms go to this link and download SMS Export, its a good free app http://www.smsexport.com/
if you export as text its readable.
And as for capitalism , huh, its just as bad as communism, socialism etc..., its just another lie for corporation control of the masses. So three cheers for who gives a f*ckism.
rofl
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I wasn't trying to be rude. I've been thinking about filing a report the police station. And all the other advices are highly considered too. But of all else, there was nothing that was meant to be rude.
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No, no, I wasn't upset about that. Whichever advice you chose is wholly your choice and I don't want to interfere. I just thought you might have been making a sarcastic critique about me believing AT&T wouldn't charge for such a thing.
(Please don't be offended, as well. I am not for socialism)
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I am also not a person who hates socialism nor am I necessarily pro-capitalism. I do prefer capitalism, but I don't believe a pure capitalist system works.
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No, no, I wasn't upset about that. Whichever advice you chose is wholly your choice and I don't want to interfere. I just thought you might have been making a sarcastic critique about me believing AT&T wouldn't charge for such a thing.
I am also not a person who hates socialism nor am I necessarily pro-capitalism. I do prefer capitalism, but I don't believe a pure capitalist system works.
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Forgive me, it's the internet and it's hard to shape speech without true presence. Also, someone made a thread about the over-use of lol on the "Off-Topic" forum, which sort of caused me to refrain from adding a lol.
I am going to download the SMS export soon and show you guys the text (probably by October 1st).
Also, she has told me that she would stop once. She stopped for 1 week then suddenly spammed me again.
About 1-2 days ago she said she would stop again. But she claimed that she cried because of this. And she hasn't texted me so far.
One reason I don't want to file police report and take court action against this person is that if this is a real "teenager" girl as she claims to be, and that if she is from my perspective *insecure and need a friend* but also a real person, than I feel obligated not to hurt this person.
Also, if you guys are wondering, I think she got my number from a demo T-Mobile Touch Pro2 that I used to call my number. I forgot to purge the out-coming-call's list.
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Forgive me, it's the internet and it's hard to shape speech without true presence. Also, someone made a thread about the over-use of lol on the "Off-Topic" forum, which sort of caused me to refrain from adding a lol.
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You shouldnt realy pay attention to someone who tells you how to express yourself the way they want you to express yourself, the net is a free place( for now anyway) lol so enjoy lolling as long as you want to lol and dont forget to rofl too, lol, lol, lol
I would nuke em...spam them with a thousand text messages and see if they do it again....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3749481&postcount=1
Can someone help me find an App for Android that will enable me to send advertisements to bluetooth enabled phones. I found a few for Windows etc but none on the Android system, any ideas anyone ?
Even if such an app exist, it would require the user to accept the invitation first.
I know this would require the user to accept the invite if you were sending a file but as a contact card etc there is no requirement for the receiver to accept anything.
Basicly if you could have a file sent to constantly transmit to nearby bluetooth devices so people could choose to accept the connection that would be fine.
A bit like the old sw blueminer for windows.
there must be someone on here that knows of something that would fulfil the need since XDA devs are awesome.
Cheers Guys
SPAM.
SPAM EVERYWHERE.
To be honest that would be very annoying.
well it wouldnt be spam it would be just to promote a business. Also you would have to have your bluetooth on and discoverable so if you have it set to be found you cant complain. If anyone can help it would be much appreciated.
Cheers Kenny
What is so great about our country (UK) is the fact we have the freedom of choice.
Many young men and women over the years have died fighting for this fundamental right. Now, if anyone thinks this bluetooth marketing software would be annoying or even deemed as spamming, use this great option of "choosing" not to accept it.
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What is so great about our country (UK) is the fact we have the freedom of choice.
Many young men and women over the years have died fighting for this fundamental right. Now, if anyone thinks this bluetooth marketing software would be annoying or even deemed as spamming, use this great option of "choosing" not to accept it.
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And with that, I choose not to accept you.
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And with that, I choose not to accept you.
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You, sir, just won one free copy of the internets.
No guys this would be useful in lots of applications like fairs, malls, places with lots of people and lots of store fronts. Say your wondering a music fest, suddenly you get notified that so-in-so is giving out free autographed cds to the next hundred people, or in the mall a notification pops up for half off at radio shack for all cell phone accessories if you bring in this coupon, ect. If you don't want it, don't use it. I think it's pretty cool.
OP, is that the track of this app you were talking about?
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so you want a bluetooth bomber? that is rather useless. I tried with with my winmo phone last time and most phones just get a "do you want to accept contact card?"
cul8rm8 said:
What is so great about our country (UK) is the fact we have the freedom of choice.
Many young men and women over the years have died fighting for this fundamental right. Now, if anyone thinks this bluetooth marketing software would be annoying or even deemed as spamming, use this great option of "choosing" not to accept it.
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More of yours died as opposed to lived. You should do the same for wanting to bluetooth spam.
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so you want a bluetooth bomber? that is rather useless. I tried with with my winmo phone last time and most phones just get a "do you want to accept contact card?"
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Yeah, I think in terms of a small scalled run (ie comic book shop), this type of marketing is rather hit or miss. Most people have feature phones. What you need more of is whats called captive marketing. Like an add on a bus or train.
And guys whats with all the hatred? In the type of format of a cell phone, it would be illegal to push something to it without the owners consent. If you don't want it, don't take it. This is the same thing as somebody handing out flyers on the street. If you take it, you have consented to it, are you gonna start yelling at the guy handing em out saying he's ruining your trip down the road with spam? If anything, I tend to say something to people throwing the leaflets on the ground, that's ruining my walk.
Bluetooth Spammer
http://market.android.com/details?id=com.smartmadsoft.bluetoothspammer
Kenneth131 said:
well it wouldnt be spam it would be just to promote a business. Also you would have to have your bluetooth on and discoverable so if you have it set to be found you cant complain. If anyone can help it would be much appreciated.
Cheers Kenny
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A similar thing is already used but with sms location based marketing.
Here in the uk, co-op stores recently had a trial where customers on O2 within 0.5 miles of a store could recieve a free bottle of dr pepper.
http://www.kamcity.com/namnews/asp/newsarticle.asp?newsid=59471
Could be very interesting to recieve such messages whilst wondering around town.
Completely different to the suggestion of bluetooth marketing because sms marketing could be controlled by the networks to ensure spammy spamsters dont annoy their customers, and ads could be targeted easier due to the info the networks hold.
Never the less its a very intersting concept and I doubt many people would have a objection to recieving such messages, providing there was a optout once a message is recieved from a store which they dont use.
Personally I dont think bluetooth marketing would work as it has a very limited range, the majority of people dont walk around with bluetooth on, and those that do wont have it descoverable, and just have their headsets, earphoes etc paired to their devices.
forgot about the bluetooth bombers!!!
I used to go through a big box retail store with it on, and watch all the managers and sales staff pick up their phone and go, "what the f...."
then loop around and do it again!!! LOL, I was a ____ when I was young
ok i know you can mass txt contacts but how do you to txt idk a million phones is there away is it legal is this the right place for this question
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ok i know you can mass txt contacts but how do you to txt idk a million phones is there away is it legal is this the right place for this question
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Im not sure there is a right place for this question.
Sure if you had a contact list with enough people, and a mobile carrier that wouldnt block you for spamming to many texts (or going over a fair usages) and enough money to pay for all those texts.
Think about when mobile carriers send out texts to all there customers giving offers or anything like that.
I'd guess if you managed it, they'd suspend the account for abuse.
The phone company probably uses a computerised system to send mass-texts. That way storage space for all those contacts isn't an issue, and I'm sure they can hook it directly to their network. Spammers probably use a work around or, even more likely, they use the Internet as a starting point, not the cell network - you know, those on-line services where you can send a text-message without a phone. I'm sure they have databases full of numbers to spam.
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I went from being with AT&T and an iPhone to T-Mobile with the unlocked Moto X Style (Pure). Before setting up T-Mobile on the Moto X, I did the following:
Manually followed Apple's instructions on deregistering iMessage on my iPhone, iPad, and MacBook: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203042
Unfortunately, I became the victim of the following problem listed on that Apple support page - "In some cases, you might not get a message after you deregister iMessage if the person sending you a text is using an existing old conversation. Ask the person to start a new conversation to send you a message. To do so, they'll first need to swipe to the left to delete the existing conversation."
So on my wife's iPhone, my mom's iPhone, and my dad's iPhone, I deleted all iMessage conversations in which I was a member (both group and one to one). I did the same on my mom and dad's iPads. I couldn't do this on my sister's iPhone or her MacBook because she was out of the country. It's simply unreasonable to expect me to ask every single person I've had an iMessage conversation with to delete any and all conversations in which I am a member on all of their iOS and OS X devices.
Various problems with group texts with iPhones users:
Messages were never received at all
Messages came into my email instead of my SMS app
I'd receive messages from some group members but not others
In the end, as my phone must be a reliable communication tool, I'm left with no choice but to return my Moto X and get an iPhone again. Every 18 months or so, I'll get a new phone and I usually go from iPhone to Android or Android to iPhone, and I've never had problems this severe before. Kudos to Apple for coming up with a technical solution for preventing people from leaving its platform. I'm torn because I really like to hop back and forth between platforms as I think both OSes are very good at specific things. Ultimately, Apple has won - not by winning my heart but by developing a communication platform that prohibits users from leaving.
Heed this advice. If you have never used iMessage, do not start. Use the Signal app for encrypted text messages. It's available for both iOS and Android. I still believe iMessage is fantastic for communication within the Apple ecosystem, but I can no longer recommend it, as Apple makes it impossible to use competing products without going to great lengths to ensure everyone you have ever communicated with has deleted their SMS history with you.
Why not just tell em to stop using imessage to contact you and just use sms lol
Maybe I'm missing something, I thought iOS users could choose how to send messages
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I feel for you man. The way iMessage and SMS behave in ios is a mess. I know one person in particular who keeps having iMessage switched off in settings (she swears she isn't doing it). Every time that happens any texts from other ios users just sit in Apple's servers waiting patiently to be delivered to a phone that is refusing to use iMessage.
It might be an unintended consequence, but it sure is a poor implementation from a tech savvy company. It really stinks of anti-competitive behavior. Very discouraging to the average smartphone user to leave ios for android and suddenly not get texts from iphone using contacts. I've found many tend to blame the wrong platform, thinking their new android is the problem not Apple hijacking their contacts' messages. Apple has at least sort of admitted they've caused a problem, but their fix for it is pretty slapdash.
jacobas92 said:
Why not just tell em to stop using imessage to contact you and just use sms lol
Maybe I'm missing something, I thought iOS users could choose how to send messages
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That's what I was thinking. Why return a really great phone because the other guys can't get their Sh!t straight. Or more realistically, refuse to cooperate with everyone because they depend solely on their "exclusivity" BS. But hey, do what you gotta do R0b0, like you said you have to be able to communicate. Oddly enough though, the entire female side of my family and also my brother in law use iphones with me and my dad being on Androids and both on Tmobile and we don't seem to have problems between each other. Possibly APN settings maybe?
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That's what I was thinking. Why return a really great phone because the other guys can't get their Sh!t straight. Or more realistically, refuse to cooperate with everyone because they depend solely on their "exclusivity" BS. But hey, do what you gotta do R0b0, like you said you have to be able to communicate. Oddly enough though, the entire female side of my family and also my brother in law use iphones with me and my dad being on Androids and both on Tmobile and we don't seem to have problems between each other. Possibly APN settings maybe?
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There's nothing like APN settings you can do to fix it from the android side.
It is all about how iphones try to send messages through iMessage and only fall back to SMS when the contact they're sending to isn't registered with iMessage. If you've never used an iphone or haven't used one in a long time it is not a problem. You run into problems when you leave iphone. All your contacts' iphones continue to try and communicate with you through iMessage, and your texts just pile up in Apples servers.
As OP has noted it can be overcome with some user intervention. Sorry Apple users, I'm sure there are some very technical ones among you especially here, but I've found that the average iphone user hasn't even noticed that some of their texts are green and some are blue. And they have absolutely no clue about the difference between an SMS and an iMessage.
I thought all you had to do was deregister your number from imessage servers?
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It's apple's innovative approach to ensuring you stay tethered to the apple mothership
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It's apple's innovative approach to ensuring you stay tethered to the apple mothership
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All hail the mothership....................
I sense a class action lawsuit in the future...
I wonder if iPhone users want to switch but Apple won't let them go freely. Does people who have iPhone's really love this desperate act Apple has over their customers? Sad
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but it sure is a poor implementation from a tech savvy company.
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I'm left with no choice[/I] but to return my Moto X and get an iPhone again.
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My main issue with Signal is that it doesn't allow full MMS backups unless you use Titanium. Other than that it's a great tool.
jacobas92 said:
Why not just tell em to stop using imessage to contact you and just use sms lol
Maybe I'm missing something, I thought iOS users could choose how to send messages
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I have hundreds of contacts in my contact list and no idea who uses iOS or Android. I could send a mass text to everyone with instructions on how to do send as SMS, but any subsequent reply to the text will go to everyone in the group, and it would be chaos. And the message wouldn't even apply to my Android contacts. I could BCC email all of them instead, but I don't have the email address for many of my contacts. Or I could convince a friend with an iPhone to back up their iPhone, let me restore my iPhone backup to their phone, go through every single iMessage conversation and note who I was conversing with, and then send an individual text message to each one of these people from my Android phone, telling them how to send as SMS to me.
In the end, this places the burden on family, friends, and acquaintances to go through their message history and select to send as SMS to any individual or group exchange in which I was a member.
Again, I could try all of these things. But it would be a huge time sink for both myself and scores of my family and friends, and after what I've experienced so far, I can't even be sure that this would be the end of it. When I was younger and had more free time, I would have tinkered around more. But I'm married with pets and have a full time job. I want to spend my free time with my wife, dog, rabbits, and Rocket League - not spend hours tapping on my phone. Returning my Moto X and getting a new iPhone takes far less time and effort, even if it means letting Apple win this battle.
r0b0m1nd said:
I have hundreds of contacts in my contact list and no idea who uses iOS or Android. I could send a mass text to everyone with instructions on how to do send as SMS, but any subsequent reply to the text will go to everyone in the group, and it would be chaos. And the message wouldn't even apply to my Android contacts. I could BCC email all of them instead, but I don't have the email address for many of my contacts. Or I could convince a friend with an iPhone to back up their iPhone, let me restore my iPhone backup to their phone, go through every single iMessage conversation and note who I was conversing with, and then send an individual text message to each one of these people from my Android phone, telling them how to send as SMS to me.
In the end, this places the burden on family, friends, and acquaintances to go through their message history and select to send as SMS to any individual or group exchange in which I was a member.
Again, I could try all of these things. But it would be a huge time sink for both myself and scores of my family and friends, and after what I've experienced so far, I can't even be sure that this would be the end of it. When I was younger and had more free time, I would have tinkered around more. But I'm married with pets and have a full time job. I want to spend my free time with my wife, dog, rabbits, and Rocket League - not spend hours tapping on my phone. Returning my Moto X and getting a new iPhone takes far less time and effort, even if it means letting Apple win this battle.
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I get your frustration. And in the end, when all of your friends with iPhones can't contact you but they can still contact each other, it only strengthens their opinion of Apple while making Android seem more like a joke. Agh.
But did you ever try contacting Apple support? They can manually deregister your device from their servers--if that's what the problem is.
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I get your frustration. And in the end, when all of your friends with iPhones can't contact you but they can still contact each other, it only strengthens their opinion of Apple while making Android seem more like a joke. Agh.
But did you ever try contacting Apple support? They can manually deregister your device from their servers--if that's what the problem is.
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Yeah that's what I figured, like if they/you deregistered your number then it would send as SMS from what I've read.
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This is yet another scenario that keeps me away from the iPhone.
I had the same problem!! It had something to do with the phone carrier number in your messaging app. I couldn't find this setting on this device. But the stock messaging app on my samsung a3 had these settings. So i changed the number on that device. And after that i switched the sim cards. After that it worked as it should!
As an ex applecare rep who much prefers Android, yes op, call applecare and ask them to deregister your cell as a valid imessage contact.
Any device that is running iOS 7.1 or later should change back to sms for your number within 72 hours. Instant for iOS 8 and above. For devices running previous to ios 7.1 the device only refreshes existing messaging threads on reboot or deletion of the specific imessage thread.
However make the call and enjoy the pure. It's a great phone! https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201232
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Here in the UK people have largely ditched SMS in favour of WhatsApp because of that very issue. WhatsApp is cross platform and most phone plans have generous data allowances even on PAYG.
I had the same problem when I switched from my iPhone last year but other than my mum, I don't think I send SMS messages to anyone else now.
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Too true, I have 3000 messages allowance on my current contract and I use less than 50 throughout the month thanks to WhatsApp, Facebook messenger and unlimited 4G data