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So I got my i9500 and already did some foolery with it.
Fine device, but I hate the raised lip around the screen edge. Something I definitely did not miss on the S3 and something very annoying.
Other than that small design critique:
THE ****ING PHONE ISN'T RUNNING FINAL FIRMWARE!
Basically the CPU is running on the cluster migration driver, meaning it switches all four cores from the LITTLE to the big cluster, as opposed to the core migration driver who does this in an individual core-pair manner.
You can pretty much throw all battery comparisons out of the window: it's completely unfinished and unoptimal.
I already compiled the kernel and flashed it without the cluster migration tidbit, but the phone won't boot. So yea. Current sources also useless.
Cleverly enough: you can't really distinguish between the two drivers apart from one manner: if /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/iks-cpufreq/max_eagle_count is present, you're running an IKS driver. If it's not, then you're running the sub-optimal IKCS driver.
So yea. We'll see what Samsung does about this, currently the advantages of big.LITTLE are pretty much unused.
Another nail in the coffin on how rushed and unprepared this phone has been.
Wow, this is seriously turning out to be a fiasco.
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Wow, this is seriously turning out to be a fiasco.
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This is EXACTLY why at the end I don't care for technical details about socs but was rather waiting for real world usage first. As much I wanted to agree with Andrei Lux on how intelligent BigLittle is, I sort of felt that it wont be same at the end.
Question is now: Is this possible to fix in the near future?? So that maybe buying the Exynos will be beneficial if the devs take over. I wont bet on Samsung introducing mind-blowing improvements in that department in upcoming firmwares
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Question is now: Is this possible to fix in the near future?? So that maybe buying the Exynos will be beneficial if the devs take over. I wont bet on Samsung introducing mind-blowing improvements in that department in upcoming firmwares
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The code other driver is there in the kernel, it's just not used. No idea. It's not like we need Samsung for it: I already talked to a developer at Linaro about some incomplete switcher code that's being currently getting the green-light to be made public. But who knows how long that will take.
Whatever the case, I gather that they can't just let it be in the current state.
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The code other driver is there in the kernel, it's just not used. No idea. It's not like we need Samsung for it: I already talked to a developer at Linaro about some incomplete switcher code that's being currently getting the green-light to be made public. But who knows how long that will take.
Whatever the case, I gather that they can't just let it be in the current state.
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Any way to just disable cortex a15 altogether yet just to see how well cortex a7 will perform in simple texting, browsing, calling and to see what the battery life will be like on that?? (cause cortex a7 only uses like 200 something mw as opposed to 1000mw for snapdragon). I know u wont be able to game. How often does Cortex A15 hits in? cause I would suspect a much worse battery life with incomplete drivers doing the switching if its very often on. But PocketNow reports very similar battery results to snapdragon variant which I find odd
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Any way to just disable cortex a15 altogether yet just to see how well cortex a7 will perform in simple texting, browsing, calling and to see what the battery life will be like on that?? (cause cortex a7 only uses like 200 something mw as opposed to 1000mw for snapdragon). I know u wont be able to game. How often does Cortex A15 hits in? cause I would suspect a much worse battery life with incomplete drivers doing the switching if its very often on. But PocketNow reports very similar battery results to snapdragon variant which I find odd
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Use any app to limit the CPU frequency to 600MHz. That'll limit it to the A7 cores running to 1200MHz. Basically you can just use CPU-Spy. Everything <= 600 are A7's mapped at half frequency, everything above it are A15's at 1:1 frequency.
As for PocketNow: irrelevant. The difference is what could be instead of what is, the Snapdragon doesn't play a role in the discussion here.
WOW , thats sucks
Samsung was too rushed and ruined it :/
AndreiLux said:
Use any app to limit the CPU frequency to 600MHz. That'll limit it to the A7 cores running to 1200MHz. Basically you can just use CPU-Spy. Everything <= 600 are A7's mapped at half frequency, everything above it are A15's at 1:1 frequency.
As for PocketNow: irrelevant. The difference is what could be instead of what is, the Snapdragon doesn't play a role in the discussion here.
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Hey thanks, but I don't have the S4 to test it with since i'm still debating on which to get. I live in Canada and so the only version here which I can get a lot cheaper on a contract is LTE snapdragon, but I wont mind getting the Exynos since it got potential. Besides 16GB internal isn't enough for me. So that's why asking if u seen any improvements in battery when only cortex a7 ran? If a7 doesn't do much in power consumption, then no point spending 800 bucks and loosing LTE altogether...
@bala_gamer please see my PM its important...
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Oh wow. Just got word (without further in-depth explanation) that this might actually be a hardware limitation. Coming from a reliable source.
No words...
AndreiLux said:
Oh wow. Just got word (without further in-depth explanation) that this might actually be a hardware limitation. Coming from a reliable source.
No words...
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Can you elaborate a bit more pls?
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that's not what samsung exynos advertised..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6UNODPHAHo
Is it possible that we're having a simpler Exynos 5 system technically closer to Exynis 5 Quad (plus 4 A7 cores) than a real seamless Octa-core system? It was strange reading that "Octa-core manufacturing starts in Q2" (April-June) then see Octa-core versions hitting reviewers early April, that's way too low time frame. Maybe this is a 1st-gen 5410. In any case, performance and current-state battery life beats the Snapdragon version, even if only just.
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Basically the CPU is running on the cluster migration driver,
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wtf? Well done Samsung... This is ridiculous...
AndreiLux said:
Oh wow. Just got word (without further in-depth explanation) that this might actually be a hardware limitation. Coming from a reliable source.
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WHAT THE [email protected]??!!
Actually WTF is a massive understatement here....!!!
Please can you give more info about this matter whenever is possible? This is very serious...
Is it a specific hardware limitation? Something that Samsung specificly did in GS4 (I9500) ?
Because this can't be a generic exynos octa limitation. It makes no sense... Unless everything we've read from Samsung and ARM about exynos octa, are completely misleading...
A hardware limitation..? They advertised the functionality and to then release a device without it, is just plain stupid. Hopefully it is a just a kernel issue and can be resolved quickly.
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Probably Samsung will implement it in their Note 3 device? It's a conspiracy so that people buy their next Note phone but this news is sad.
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Now what is this all about? Is this a very serious issue?
So its either all A15s or all A7s?
so would the 'octa' really be a better choice than the S600? That should be powerful enough.. and the S600 is pretty power efficient too
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So its either all A15s or all A7s?
so would the 'octa' really be a better choice than the S600? That should be powerful enough.. and the S600 is pretty power efficient too
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What I understood is its either the full cluster of a7 or a15 is used/ functional based on the load, dynamically turning on one or two cores of a15 to work along with a7 may not be possible it seems.
I may be wrong, waiting for an elaborate exp from andrei
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What I understood is its either the full cluster of a7 or a15 is used functional based on the load, dynamically turning on one or two cores of a15 to work along with a7 may not be possible it seems.
I may be wrong, waiting for an elaborate exp from andrei
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I was always under the impression this was the intention of Samsung's particular implementation of it. I thought it was common knowledge that Samsung's version worked on a 4 or 4 (A15) or (A7) basis.
Maybe he was talking about the ability to change that.
Kirin 970 SoC Announced
Huawei just shared details about the new Kirin 970 chipset. As you know, the Honor 9 is equipped with the Kirin 960 and the performance on this phone is fantastic. So whats new with this new chip?
Internal tests show this performance capability allows the Kirin 970 to process 2005 images per minute, which is up from 97 images per minute without the NPU. The new chipset from Huawei is similar to the previous Kirin 960 but sporting higher frequencies, being an eight-core SoC with four being Cortex-A73 cores clocked at 2.40 GHz and the other four being Cortex-A53 cores clocked at 1.80 GHz. The GPU Huawei has chosen to go with is the newer ARM Mali-G72MP12, but the company has yet to announce its clock speed.
They did, however, confirm it will have a dual ISP, but again, didn’t go into detail about its performance. It will be equipped with the Kirin 970 Integrated LTE modem (a Category 18 modem) with download capabilities of 1.2Gbps. The last bit of information that was announced at IFA this year was that it would be built on a 10nm process from TSMC. The company normally has big press events for their new chips, and since that wasn’t the case at IFA, it is likely why they didn’t reveal any more details about it.
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If Honor makes an "Honor 9 Pro" I have a feeling we will being seeing this new chip in this device.
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Sounds great!
Now let's release a worldwide Honor 9 pro and it may just be my next phone ?
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Kirin 970 SoC Announced
Huawei just shared details about the new Kirin 970 chipset. As you know, the Honor 9 is equipped with the Kirin 960 and the performance on this phone is fantastic. So whats new with this new chip?
If Honor makes an "Honor 9 Pro" I have a feeling we will being seeing this new chip in this device.
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Sounds great!
Now let's release a worldwide Honor 9 pro and it may just be my next phone ?
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Honor 9 pro may delay ther is no sign of news , mate 10 is the first device to get the 970 soc.
Huawei's HiSilicon Kirin range of SOCs are getting better and better with each iteration.
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Huawei's HiSilicon Kirin range of SOCs are getting better and better with each iteration.
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I dream one day it will overcome the Snapdragon ,lol may be:silly:
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I dream one day it will overcome the Snapdragon ,lol may be:silly:
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In some aspects the Kirin 960 does best the SD830
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In some aspects the Kirin 960 does best the SD830
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They are almost identical.
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They are almost identical.
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According to a video by Gary Sims from Android Authority the Kirin 960 does best the SD 830 in some aspects.
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According to a video by Gary Sims from Android Authority the Kirin 960 does best the SD 830 in some aspects.
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Kirin opens the apps really faster .
Snapdragon 830 exists??
This one's a monster.
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10nm chipset i think this holds battery well.
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Kirin opens the apps really faster .
Snapdragon 830 exists??
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Yeah, it's used in the US version of the SGS8 series and other current flagship devices.
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Yeah, it's used in the US version of the SGS8 series and other current flagship devices.
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Nope, Galaxy S8 US uses snapdragon 835, there isn't a Snapdragon 830
Also the Kiron 970 have 5 billion transistors while the SD835 have 2.5 billion.
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10nm chipset i think this holds battery well.
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Also it is smaller.
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Yeah, it's used in the US version of the SGS8 series and other current flagship devices.
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No there is no sign of 830 , I searched .
There's none. It didn't exist.
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No there is no sign of 830 , I searched .
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I forgot the SD830 was cancelled and replaced with the SD835 for some strange reason... :silly:
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I forgot the SD830 was cancelled and replaced with the SD835 for some strange reason... :silly:
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I rember when a phone benchmarked with SD830 back in January, it may got cancelled or renamed to 835
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I rember when a phone benchmarked with SD830 back in January, it may got cancelled or renamed to 835
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I do know that the US variant of the SGS8 was suppose to be the 1st device released with the SD830. I have no idea why they used the SD835 instead.
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I do know that the US variant of the SGS8 was suppose to be the 1st device released with the SD830. I have no idea why they used the SD835 instead.
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They may renamed it, since both SoCs use the same config
If you are still running an outdated os like Android 6.0.1, is there any option to patch against Meltdown and Spectre other than moving to the latest Android versions?
The nexus 5 is no longer supported by Google so even moving to the latest available andriod version isn't going to help you. Maybe Google will provide a patch for older devices but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Thanks. So the only remaining option is buying a new phone. Had to happen sooner or later.
Now comes the dilemma of deciding which one to get ..... or just ignoring the threat since I'm not likely to be a target of the nsa or similar caliber hackers.
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Thanks. So the only remaining option is buying a new phone. Had to happen sooner or later.
Now comes the dilemma of deciding which one to get ..... or just ignoring the threat since I'm not likely to be a target of the nsa or similar caliber hackers.
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The risk to an android device is very low according to Google. If that helps you decide on a course forward.
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i dont think our cpus at risk, we dont have any Cortex cores which are spectre risks(Cortex-A75, Cortex-A73, Cortex-A72, Cortex-A57-, Cortex-A17, and Cortex-A9). we have Krait 400 cores.
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i dont think our cpus at risk, we dont have any Cortex cores which are spectre risks(Cortex-A75, Cortex-A73, Cortex-A72, Cortex-A57-, Cortex-A17, and Cortex-A9). we have Krait 400 cores.
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Well that is good to know.
Thanks.
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i dont think our cpus at risk, we dont have any Cortex cores which are spectre risks(Cortex-A75, Cortex-A73, Cortex-A72, Cortex-A57-, Cortex-A17, and Cortex-A9). we have Krait 400 cores.
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Looks like Qualcomm just admitted that they are exposed [ref1]. They won't name which chipsets or which CPUs in those chipsets are affected. It's my understanding that Krait has speculative [ref3] execution and was designed as a clone of Cortex-A15, which is affected by spectre [ref2]. So to summarize my opinion:
Vunerabilities
Meltdown : No
Spectre: Possibly
ref1: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/06/qualcomm_processor_security_vulnerabilities/
ref2: https://developer.arm.com/support/security-update
ref3: https://forum.fairphone.com/t/fp2-patch-for-meltdown-spectre/36754/4
Huawei is preparing a "very scary" technology that can change all of its devices
https://infoglitz.com/polandeng/hua...echnology-that-can-change-all-of-its-devices/
What is that? What they will make? Software or hardware? Will P20 Pro be able to use "scary technology "?
Or it will be new P20 Pro with Kirin 980?
It sounds like AI battery optimization to me.
Sounds like a bad translation to me.
06.06.2018 --- Kirin OS for new devices! Based on Linux.
Apparenty with a focus oon speed
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06.06.2018 --- Kirin OS for new devices! Based on Linux.
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06.06.2018 --- Kirin OS for new devices! Based on Linux.
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Huawei've said they will stick on Android always before.
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Huawei've said they will stick on Android always before.
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Unless Us lawmakers ban Huawei from using Android. I think they are preparing for the worst.
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Unless Us lawmakers ban Huawei from using Android. I think they are preparing for the worst.
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They are ban just from US market not Android.
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They are ban just from US market not Android.
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Like the recent case with zte, US can pressure Google not to grant the Android license to Huawei, that the worst case scenario.
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Like the recent case with zte, US can pressure Google not to grant the Android license to Huawei, that the worst case scenario.
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You are right in that way
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Unless Us lawmakers ban Huawei from using Android. I think they are preparing for the worst.
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Some leaks say that Huawei will remove/modify Android's Dalvik to speed system up, and rename the new system to Kirin OS. And of cause, someone has already said that.
No worry about US gov's decision, chineses gov won't agree.
The "scary technology " has been revealed by Huawei today and dubbed "GPU turbo ". Interesting thing is that we probably get this on our p20's as well
http://m.scmp.com/tech/china-tech/article/2149514/huawei-makes-play-mobile-gamers-turbocharged-technology-beats-all
http://www.gizmochina.com/2018/06/06/honor-announces-gpu-turbo-a-turbocharger-for-your-smartphone-graphics/
Scary technology get just GPU 60% more in 8.2 update.
Yes but that's with an upgraded GPU. This is software related and can be achieved with existing compatible hardware.
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Scary technology get just GPU 60% more in 8.2 update.
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I'd be interested to see how they got the 30% less battery usage claim.
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Scary technology get just GPU 60% more in 8.2 update.
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Are there any articles that talk about the likely implementation on the p20 pro?
Kirin 970 with "GPU turbo " in action and outperforms Xiaomi Mi8 SD845.. App opening speeds are insanely fast Really hope this will come to our devices in a future firmware update.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ddrilm3llpkkx2f/Honor%20Play%20VS%20XiaoMi8%28Kirin970%20GPU%20turbo%20VS%20Snapdragon845%29unbelievable%21.mp4?dl=0
Hey guys, more good news: Today Huawei announced that it will push the optimized GPU technology to their devices include the P20 series around the end of July
https://www.gizmochina.com/2018/06/13/huawei-announces-devices-getting-gpu-turbo-mate-10-to-get-960fps-slow-motion-too/
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Hey guys, more good news: Today Huawei announced that it will push the optimized GPU technology to their devices include the P20 series around the end of July
https://www.gizmochina.com/2018/06/...-turbo-mate-10-to-get-960fps-slow-motion-too/
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I see they will get 960fps super slow motion to Mate 10. Will this GPU Turbo fix crazy artifacts in Super slow motion in P20 Pro?
Hi all,
I have a Huawei Honor 9. Recently replaced it's battery and still find that the phone in general has poor performance nowadays and not great battery life either.
The device currently runs android 9 on Huawei's EMUI v9.1.0 9.1.0.210 Android security patch 5 July 2019.
Please can you help me figure out if running a custom rom here makes sense, will get me any benefits and let's move from there?!
@renegadeandy Did you already check in the device forum?
Honor 9
The Honor 9 was announced June 2017 as the successor to the Honor 8. The 5.15" screen has a resolution of 1080 x 1920 pixels. The Kirin 960 chipset has an octa-core (4x2.4 GHz Cortex-A73 & 4x1.8 GHz Cortex-A53) CPU and a mali-G71 MP8 GPU. This phone comes with 4GB and 6GB RAM options, with 64GB...
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@renegadeandy Did you already check in the device forum?
Honor 9
The Honor 9 was announced June 2017 as the successor to the Honor 8. The 5.15" screen has a resolution of 1080 x 1920 pixels. The Kirin 960 chipset has an octa-core (4x2.4 GHz Cortex-A73 & 4x1.8 GHz Cortex-A53) CPU and a mali-G71 MP8 GPU. This phone comes with 4GB and 6GB RAM options, with 64GB...
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Good idea i've taken a look but its not a ugely active looking community around the device and doubt ill get quick respnses. Which options do i have? doeshttps://forum.xda-developers.com/f/honor-9-roms-kernels-recoveries-other-develo.6538/nt summarise todays best options?
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Good idea i've taken a look but its not a ugely active looking community around the device and doubt ill get quick respnses.
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Sorry, I don't know the device. And it seems to be slightly older. Probably, therefore the community isn't too active. Just have a look in the development section.
@jerryhou85 Sir, do you have a recommendation for our member?
I use to own a Honor 6 and I'd say not many custom ROMs for overseas versions, there are still some Chinese custom ROM for local model number, but I doubt they are working well on overseas models.
Guess it is time to move on...