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Nokia N9 has been announced. How about the Nokia N9? Is it worthy buying compared to android cell phone?
Meego Nokia N9 Hands-on Review: 2 highlights and 2 weakness.
Here is the Nokia hands-on review collected from people:
2 Highlights: Curvature screen; Double-click to unlock the screen
2 Weakness: only a few Apps support for the Meego system, lack of scalability, lack of playability; rigid icon, the practical need to be verified.
Source: /answers.downloadatoz.com/q,2806,meego-nokia-n9-hands-on-review-2-highlights-and-2-weakness-is-it-worthy-buying.html
It is surely more mature than Android in terms of telephony and audio as it is designed by Nokia, even if the OS might sound new. And I don't even speak about Ovi maps which is the Nokia mapping system, which is not dependent on the data network like Google maps and works perfectly well.
Android is very good in terms of fluidity and network user experience with applications, they have developped and optimized a nice virtual machine for embedded systems.
Meego is more open than Android and follows regular Linux updates (based on Fedora), and it also upstreams in all components making it becoming the smartphone version of Linux.
I would love to test it to see the features and how Qt apps are responding to the user. Th euser interface is supposed to have been evolved a lot compared to Symbian, and shall be somehow different from iPhone or Android.
The fact that it has pentaband 3G and Linux alone, I'm sold.
Moreover, there is something called Myriad Alien Dalvik. Android apps on non-Android devices. If they do toss that in that'll be sick.
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I am pretty sure, some is gonna upload android CM mod on it pretty soon
Jokes apart, they have gotta a decent enough review on engadget today. Only thing that bothers me is the interaction technique - swipe from one end of the screen to the other, that actually involves a lot of work for a touch based interface.
Secondly how will that interaction map to all the context, it might be confusing in many cases.
Only thing that bothers me is the interaction technique - swipe from one end of the screen to the other, that actually involves a lot of work for a touch based interface.
Secondly how will that interaction map to all the context, it might be confusing in many cases.
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Not at all. You dont have to swipe across the ENTIRE screen, just from the outer edge onto the screen itself, not ALL the way across.
And tests say its not confusing. It makes sense to use the changeswipe to change and the in-app-swipes for in-app-use. Its just intuitive and doesnt feel weird at all.
Also: there will be android apps for it. Also, its open source so android itself will probably be ported, as it was for Maemo5 on the N900, Meegos predecessor.
Only problem is its slow 3g network, speed only being about 14. something, whereas the SGS2 has the H+ connection of 21. something.
It seems it may actually have 21.something 3g speed, so... yeah, perfection.
Bought it today.
ok, I decided to post a thread to get the general opinion on the major mobile operating systems of today. Just post your opinions.
IOS:
Pros- amazing app store, works flawlessly on the hardware provided.
cons- no hardware selection, hideous UI, seems to be geared primarily towards the unintelligent who might actually believe that their phones run on magic.
Android:
Pros- great hardware selection, customization.
cons- feels dated, regardless of launcher you can't get the same level of fluidity you can on other operating systems, malware in the marketplace, feels like using winmo 5 again.
WebOS:
Pros-beautiful UI, great quality experience.
Cons- horrid hardware selection and no real app support.
BbOS.
Pros- can't really think of any aside from battery life. Blackberry messenger was nice too.
cons- I think I had more fun on my Nokia phone playing snake than with anything on BBOS... Just feels like an old people phone.
Windows phone 7:
Pros- smooth, fluid UI across the whole system and most third party apps, solid UI, good hardware selection, quality gaming, seamless social networking and communication integration, Xbox live and Microsoft office built in with bonuses other operating systems can't offer, runs as well as iOS except on an array of hardware.
cons- very little customization I suppose.
So, what's your take on each OS?
iOS:
con - good compatibility only with Apple products
Android:
con - fragmentation, both in OS and Google in general (have two different teams developing the same thing, which eventually lead to the project you like been canned, happened more than one times)
WP7:
con - personally, it looks fugly, and no customisation.
iOS: - very classy design
con - Apple's policy regarding apps
Android:
pro: best mobile OS ever
con: the market is very disorganized with a lot of crappy apps (tom the talking cat?)
WP7:
never used it
Lol.
What a MS employee you are. No cons for WP7! Nice try. This is yet another sad attempt to promote that OS.
Nope, just finally have an OS I truly enjoy.
iOS
Pos a lot of users -> more developer support = everyone wins!
Con Close-Environment -> 5% geeks are effected
Not really a "huge" loss, since the Cons only effects a minority of users, most everyday people don't even know difference between closed and open software.
Android
Pos Hacking
Con Unless you are "hacking", there is no guarantee you will be on the cutting-edge of updates and stuff. OS updates take forever unless you are using a Nexus device, everything else depends on the cell provider.
WP7
Pos Is the hipster non-mainstream phone.
Con Is the blackberry of next-gen smartphones. Not enough people have it, so not as much activity in terms of roms and such.
IOS
Pros: Fast, good design, "it works"
Cons: BORING
Android
Pros: Customization, variety of phones
Cons: It will took you a while to say "it's the best OS ever", and not for general consumers.
WP7
Pros: Metro UI (you feel, it's something different), Windows Apps easy integration, Fast and Smooth
Cons: After enjoying it for 1 month, it will eventually BORING as well.
iOS:
pros: lots of developers, hardware harmony.
cons: over hyped, lack of customization, boring.
Android:
Pros: fun, customizable, actually need a brain to use it, growing insanely fast.
cons: too much variation in hardware and some developers don't want to deal with that.
WP7:
never used it but looks interesting, i would give it a try in the future.
iOS:
Pros: It's simple, has a lot of developer support, guaranteed hardware compatibility for developers.
Cons: It's simple, not a great fan of the "my whole OS is an app drawer" thing. It's also hugely over-hyped (my father keeps trying to make me agree that the iPhone is 'just a better package on the whole,' while he has never touched an Android or WinPhone7... )
Android:
Pros: It's completely customizable, cheaper to develop for, an actual hardware choice.
Cons: The market is absolute garbage. The 'F' word. OEMs love to ruin Android with their generally-crappy launchers. Unless you have a Nexus, don't expect updates.
WinPhone7:
Pros: I couldn't say, I haven't used one to any great extent, but;
Cons: I just can't like the UI. Really, did they sit down and brainstorm ideas on how to fit less information onto the screen at any one time?
Android all the way.
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IOS:
cons-seems to be geared primarily towards the unintelligent who might actually believe that their phones run on magic.
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lol so true
z33dev33l said:
ok, I decided to post a thread to get the general opinion on the major mobile operating systems of today. Just post your opinions.
IOS:
Pros- amazing app store, works flawlessly on the hardware provided.
cons- no hardware selection, hideous UI, seems to be geared primarily towards the unintelligent who might actually believe that their phones run on magic.
Android:
Pros- great hardware selection, customization.
cons- feels dated, regardless of launcher you can't get the same level of fluidity you can on other operating systems, malware in the marketplace, feels like using winmo 5 again.
WebOS:
Pros-beautiful UI, great quality experience.
Cons- horrid hardware selection and no real app support.
BbOS.
Pros- can't really think of any aside from battery life. Blackberry messenger was nice too.
cons- I think I had more fun on my Nokia phone playing snake than with anything on BBOS... Just feels like an old people phone.
Windows phone 7:
Pros- smooth, fluid UI across the whole system and most third party apps, solid UI, good hardware selection, quality gaming, seamless social networking and communication integration, Xbox live and Microsoft office built in with bonuses other operating systems can't offer, runs as well as iOS except on an array of hardware.
cons- very little customization I suppose.
So, what's your take on each OS?
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apple:
pros - security. thats about it.
cons - boring as ****, socialist phone. nazi regime controls your phone plan and OS. great hardware that gets used for nothing but playing ****ing angry birds, phone calls, and checking email.
android:
-its a ****ing computer in my hand. oh and a phone. complete control and customization over my device. does things that NO other OS will EVER do or i guess i should say, be "allowed" to do.
cons - too many roms out there for one person to keep track of. but there are apps for that too. and sometimes apps can be a little sketch, but i guess don't download every ****ing thing you see on the market then, right?
windows:
i ****ing hate windows on my computer, why would i want it on a slower device? xbox live? um, no.
couldnt think of any pros to having a windows phone. sorry.
Android all the way.
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apple:
pros - security. thats about it.
cons - boring as ****, socialist phone. nazi regime controls your phone plan and OS. great hardware that gets used for nothing but playing ****ing angry birds, phone calls, and checking email.
android:
-its a ****ing computer in my hand. oh and a phone. complete control and customization over my device. does things that NO other OS will EVER do or i guess i should say, be "allowed" to do.
cons - too many roms out there for one person to keep track of. but there are apps for that too. and sometimes apps can be a little sketch, but i guess don't download every ****ing thing you see on the market then, right?
windows:
i ****ing hate windows on my computer, why would i want it on a slower device? xbox live? um, no.
couldnt think of any pros to having a windows phone. sorry.
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Ios cons- customization is very limited and boring unless jailbroken.
Wp7 cons- nice design and idea but still lacking customization and app market needs to step their game up.
Android cons- dont have much to say here i just wish their were more apps like apple but not a biggy though because android still has a lot of apps. Also i hate the fact when a new version of android comes out a lot of the old phones get neglected and some dont see updates.
S7 Infuse 1.6 Ghz
IOS
Pros: Perfect for simpletons
Cons: Restrictive, closed, awkward with the need to cope with just one button, awful keyboard, tiny variety in device support restricting market growth
Android
Pros: Open, perfect for simpletons and techie's alike, can do as little or as much as you want, customisable for those who want to - leading to user choice, multiple device support opening the market up to those on a budget and those with specific technical needs.
BB OS
Pros: Able to provide secure communication for businesses
Cons: From experience it can be flaky, small device support, it's the devil in mobile disguise
WP7
Sorry? In which universe is WP7 a major OS? Certainly not this one and it's laughable to suggest otherwise.
i see the op's blatant bias. and theres no "malware on the android market" anymore.
EDIT- and to the people that say only nexus phones get updates. my phone (the droid incredible) has received 2 updates since it was made (2.1-2.2, then 2.2-2.3)
little green robots have always been better than half eaten fruit
Lots of cons with Android but we still like it because of the customization options available.
Android
Pros : Customizable range *ROMS and such*
Cons : Malware in Market
iOS
Pros : A wide range of apps in AppStore
Cons : My-launcher-only-show-apps concept
WP7
Never use before
Too many trolls.
Sorry to hear about that. I've experienced similar stuff like that. I have a hard time dealing with such hard heartedness.
Give WP7 a little time. A lot of the features it lacks will come in the second run of hardware with the Samsung Focus S being the top choice (IMO)
I know I certainly had a hard time putting up with WP7 till Mango came along. And the updating system really scrapes my last nerve raw. But the thing about WP7 is it is so good compared to all of the others that I can't turn away from it. I really tried this last time to abandon it when the Mango update didn't come through for my Focus like it was suppose to. But I really could not maintain a hate for it no matter how hard I tried. It's too good. Damn MS! Making such a sweet system. They knew what they were maliciously doing.
But Mango has solved a lot of issues for me and the customization of the homescreen with certain tiles and such is perfect for me. We have a "Show off your WP7" thread where you can find out about apps and the look of their tiles, which I find very convenient and helpful. It's here.
Attacked? Really? I simply asked him to relocate his thread and he got defensive. That pertains to the topic at hand since you decided to demonize me without reason.
As for iphone's benefits, gaming and more mature PC software. Everything on it runs on par with it's WP7 performance and there's more of it. It's only drawbacks are screen size which isn't much of an issue to most but I can't type on it, and the hideous UI.
Edit: android, can't think of any unless you want to build your phone from the ground up to be half as good. It's just not a quality product. If you're a hardware junkie though it's where you want to be, just know that the hardware could really show off if it were utilizing another OS.
IOS-
Smoothness
More Games
More Apps
Looks pretty good Stock
Android-
Complete customization - Even without rooting; You can change the launcher, Lockscreen, etc. Just look @ the different homescreens on the Show your [Insert Phone]'s Homescreen threads.
More apps (Less than IOS); However, you can get apps that can do pretty much anything - Such as custom launchers, etc which would be classified as "Duplicating Functionality" on IOS. I'm not too sure about WP7 though.
More games (Still less than IOS)
Open Source (Bigger variation in ROMS, such as CM7, Miui, etc). Also has the biggest rooting community (Technically, IOS is bigger since there are only 6 phones. Regardless, you cant exactly do much to a Jailbroken iPhone compared to android)
Proper Multitasking (You can get an app such as Equalizer to change the sound of all other apps, instead of getting custom music/video players with built in adjsutable equalizers)
These are just the Pros, There are still quite a few cons with IOS/Android.
Just choose iOs or Wp7, if you want to be sure you get updates everytime, even with different manufacturers window phone 7 updates everybody. http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/28/microsoft-windows-phone-mango-now-being-delivered-to-100-perce/
Honestly, I didn't like the interface of WP7. very subjective matter, but iOS interface is way cooler.
IOS is bound to be more stable and secure, android would be more flexible. Windows wouldnt get the leverage that it got in the early 90's PC arena due to open source android.
Oh gawd saji, you just opened up a gate to a "serious discussion". Noooo, this thread is going to go downhill now. Well atleast we'll be exercising our brains.
Windows Phone 7, no are a best plataform in this moment... in the future is posible
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Windows Phone 7, no are a best plataform in this moment... in the future is posible
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Na, The best platform, Sega Mega drive, The best platform(er) Sonic 3 + Sonic and knuckles
Suck it mario.
Apps. First party support. Devs on iOS and android care more about their products. Better push notifications. Better IM apps on ios and android. Better voice recognition (vlingo and/or Siri). Better mapping (Google Maps and MapQuest).
Way better and more future proof hardware and gaming.
iOS is more polished than android. Wp7 from an apps/dev support standpoint feels like Symbian. The ui has many drawbacks and wastes a colossal ton of screen real estate in many instances. My favorite is when you select a list or combo box control. It takes up the whole screen with a text list. iOS and touch wiz phones only use half with a wheel to select, which is way better.
Metro is cute on the home screen, but once you dive deeper the endless palettes of nothing but huge text and no chrome just kills the experience for me.
If you are a light user then wp7 is probably best since you won't require much, anyways. Moderate to heavy users are better served by the other two. Media focused users are better off going with apple, but wp7 is obviously better than android from an ecosystem standpoint. Android phones tend to have significantly better codec support than iOS and wp7, in addition to adobe flash compatibility.
Windows phones aren't adequately future proof. They all use older hardware with lower resolution screens. Wvga is the hvga of this day, IMO, ESP with so many non-PenTile qHD SLCD phones coming out these days. Games have to use lower resolutions and don't run as well as on i4(s) and top end android phones (or even some mid range androids now, since some have hummingbird processors etc.). Games that run flawlessly on ios like fruit ninja lag on wp7 devices.
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Apps. First party support. Devs on iOS and android care more about their products. Better push notifications. Better IM apps on ios and android. Better voice recognition (vlingo and/or Siri). Better mapping (Google Maps and MapQuest).
Way better and more future proof hardware and gaming.
iOS is more polished than android. Wp7 from an apps/dev support standpoint feels like Symbian. The ui has many drawbacks and wastes a colossal ton of screen real estate in many instances. My favorite is when you select a list or combo box control. It takes up the whole screen with a text list. iOS and touch wiz phones only use half with a wheel to select, which is way better.
Metro is cute on the home screen, but once you dive deeper the endless palettes of nothing but huge text and no chrome just kills the experience for me.
If you are a light user then wp7 is probably best since you won't require much, anyways. Moderate to heavy users are better served by the other two. Media focused users are better off going with apple, but wp7 is obviously better than android from an ecosystem standpoint. Android phones tend to have significantly better codec support than iOS and wp7, in addition to adobe flash compatibility.
Windows phones aren't adequately future proof. They all use older hardware with lower resolution screens. Wvga is the hvga of this day, IMO, ESP with so many non-PenTile qHD SLCD phones coming out these days. Games have to use lower resolutions and don't run as well as on i4(s) and top end android phones (or even some mid range androids now, since some have hummingbird processors etc.). Games that run flawlessly on ios like fruit ninja lag on wp7 devices.
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As you've gained report as a WP7 troll, I'll bite. How is wp7, from a developer standpoint, like Symbian? They have undoubtedly the best support I've received on any OS, the best developer incentive, and a dev environment that is a pleasure to operate in. Also, angry birds and fruit ninja both run smoother than my GS2 now that the mango update is intact. Fruit ninja is not quite on par with iPhone 4s but that's just because it was obviously a port rather than a new build of the game.
I have just gotten an upgrade for my carrier and I am having trouble deciding if I would like to stay with an iPhone and get the iphone4s or go to an android and get the Samsung galaxy s2,I have never owned an android so I was wondering what can an android do compaired to iphone.
bigger screen and expandable storage, feels more like a computer than iphone does. They can both achieve the same goal but with different methods I think.
iOS shoves you into a shoebox.
Android shoves you into a moving box.
While both boxes, at least android you can move your elbows around.
Through rooting you have a wide range of customizing your phone with competing ROMs. These roms most often allow you to have a more optimized experience. But choose your manufacturer carefully if ROMing is what you want to do. Some manufacturers make this process easier or harder, but generally you'll have a bunch of super nerds that are more than willing to help you out.
iOS has a claim to stability over android. But think of it as having a paint by numbers and apple hands you the colors one at a time and forces you to do it their way. Android has versatility.
Uncle Rico: "I…I said the twelve pack, not the twenty-four pack. You're just gonna have to mix and match." Napoleon: "Shut up, say it so that the whole world can hear."
IOS Devices -
Smoother (High end androids such as SGS2 are about as smooth)
More Games.
Easier to use
Siri? (4s only - There are similar android apps but i don't believe any are as good.)
Android -
Customization (You can basically change everything on stock android.)
Larger variety of apps (Keyboards such as Swype, Launchers, etc)
I Don't really see why people complain about android Crashes/FC. They rarely happen on Stock roms (Not enough to be annoying) and usually occur due to doing something that isn't meant to be done (Task managers, Bad ROMs), or a faulty app.
Also, Rooting is pretty useful. It basically allows you to do anything with your phone (Such as install ubuntu, Android roms, better Radios for better signals, uninstall system apps, etc)
Everything!! I'm on my way to root this very instant.
From my personal experience, Android is far superior than the iphone 4 (can't say much about 4s as i just upgraded from the iphone 4).
Yeah iphone 4 has more apps but the majority of them are useless and get boring FAST. Whereas, flashing roms like cyanogenmod is totally addicting and so much fun (shame my phone is stuck in alpha version for cyanogenmod). I havent seen much of a difference in the retina display because my phone's screen is larger, looks crisp and looks beautiful.
Best thing is if you dont want to root you can still install emulators for free regardless of rooting. I <3 pokemon on my android.
Choice is yours but i am never going back to iphone because my phone is more fun.
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Well I like iPhone. I am using Android now. I like the spirit of android that trust its' user.
I like android, because you can experiment a lot
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Apple makes something that just works. but if you don't like the way it works, too bad. Android devices work just as well, albeit differently, but it's nice to know that if there is anything in the UI that isn't to your liking, you can simply change it. in the early days of Android, the UI was sluggish and riddled with incompatibilities and crashes, which gave the iPhone a heightened sense of 'perfection.' this is a thing of the past. new, high-end Android devices are well-polished and just as snappy as any iPhone. ICS will further bridge the gap, especially in dual core devices.
one area Android cannot compete with Apple in, though, and I don't know if it will ever be able to: battery life.. and when you consider what the device is (above all else, it's a phone.. you probably need it to communicate, and therefore you probably want it to be powered on at all times), that's as important as any other feature. there's just no comparison. even if you spend 5 hours tweaking settings to minimize draw, your fancy shmancy Android device's battery will never last as long as an iPhone's. of course, again, we come back to the customization thing: with Android devices, you could just get a ludicrously overstuffed battery replacement and probably come near iPhone uptime, something you cannot do with Apple devices.
my honest opinion? (keep in mind I have owned 6 android devices since the Dream first came out.. I'm not an Apple fanboy at all - I'm not a fanboy of any fancy telephone. it's a phone, not my life) I would own an iPhone 4S over any current Android offering if I hadn't boycotted Apple years ago. they're not the type of business I willingly support... but give them respect when it's due: they make fantastic mobile devices.
for now, I'm more than happy with my MT4GS. I like the phys keyboard, which is superb, and I don't have to look like a halfwit when I'm sending e-mails on the go to the executive team. I like the hardware, which is identical to the Sensation's. I like the 3.7" screen coupled with HDPI resolution, which gives me plenty of viewing area on webpages and whatnot without crazy battery draw like you'll get from these gimmicky 5" HD screens. the camera is phenomenal for a phone. and even though it ships with the most disgusting form of Sense imaginable (T-mo's espresso), as I've said, it's easy to change things around to get the experience to my liking thanks to Android's ease of customization.
to all of the Android zealots who have posted here and will surely continue to post: get over it. the iPhone is the benchmark, that's the way it is, and in the foreseeable future, that's the way it will be. there's a reason for that, and it's not just because people who are Apple loyalists are idiots... ALL of apple's products are highly refined and very user friendly. if you're the kind of person who doesn't have the patience for technology, but wants to stay connected, you'd be dumb to go with anything but Apple. if you don't fit into that category; if you like to tinker, if you don't like feeling locked down by your mobile OS, buy an Android device and enjoy it... quit getting your panties in a bunch because the entire world doesn't see eye-to-eye with you concerning your choice in the realm of glorified telephones. if it works for you, that's all that matters, and who cares what your buddies with their iThings say? it's all just stuff in the end... stuff that will end up in a landfill just like the rest of the stuff you own.
just my $.02 (more like $.05, that was a novella)
I'd liken the iPhone to a safety bubble, where everything works well and doesn't overextend its boundaries. If you're someone who likes to tinker with everything, and wants more customizability, in terms of OS and phone choice, I'd go with Android.
This is how I recently described the difference between the iPhone and Android. I expected to get tutted at for saying it, but most people here agreed.
iPhones are for people who want to look like they know tech.
Android is for people that actually do know tech (or at least want to learn).
Nerds = android
IPhone = everyone else
If you wanna mod and my your phone and completely make it your own get an android.
The iPhone is great straight out of the box but is really locked down.
You basically need to tweak an Android phone to make it have decent battery life or get an extra battery.
Perks of android is options and oh btw ICS is amazing, it runs flawless on my phone, though I had to tweak it.
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basically everything a computer can
Android is like having a normal car, with all the proper features. iOS is like having that car with only 1 pedal, 1 gear, and just the fuel gauge on the dashboard.
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Android is like having a normal car, with all the proper features. iOS is like having that car with only 1 pedal, 1 gear, and just the fuel gauge on the dashboard.
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....and it's shiny....
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....and it's shiny....
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Ah yes, polished chrome for paint job that just blinds everyone else including yourself. Also, mirrors show what's in front of you rather than behind.
Most of the stated I agree with. I'd add that to me, iPhones are boring. What do you have when you turn on iPhone? Just a bunch of icons. Not very creative or different? Not even animated wallpaper. On Adndroid, half the fun is customizing the desktop. You can have live wallpaper, widgets, folders, icons... And yes, iPhone is probably a BIT smoother and more stable than most Android phones. But this is not the fault of Android phones, it is more a thing that you can't do half the things with an iPhone that you can do with Android. Apple limited their device and ofcourse it performs better because it doesn't do many things android does. Imagine only Live Wallpaper. How much more CPU power Android phones must use in order to display animated background.... then all the widgets. That constantly change/update.... while Apple devices only display rows of icons and no wonder they run slightly smoother. And in the end, as someone already stated, I will never buy an Apple product because I don't like the attitude of people using Apple. Those are mostly non-tech people that think they are so cool only because of something they OWN. IMHO it is way more cool to be ABLE to customize your device and understand how it works and tweak it than to be able to PURCHASE something. Just like they say in new Samsung commercial... one guy says "I could never have Samsung, I'm creative" and his friend replies "Dude, you're a barista" ;-) 99% of thos cool people are not businessman or even IT. They're waiters and shop assistents that need an ego boost....
P.S.
here it is for those that haven't seen it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&feature=player_embedded&v=6h5JSojJN3Y
Well, just my opinion, hope I didn't insult anyone.
regards,
D.
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Most of the stated I agree with. I'd add that to me, iPhones are boring. What do you have when you turn on iPhone? Just a bunch of icons. Not very creative or different? Not even animated wallpaper. On Adndroid, half the fun is customizing the desktop. You can have live wallpaper, widgets, folders, icons... And yes, iPhone is probably a BIT smoother and more stable than most Android phones. But this is not the fault of Android phones, it is more a thing that you can't do half the things with an iPhone that you can do with Android. Apple limited their device and ofcourse it performs better because it doesn't do many things android does. Imagine only Live Wallpaper. How much more CPU power Android phones must use in order to display animated background.... then all the widgets. That constantly change/update.... while Apple devices only display rows of icons and no wonder they run slightly smoother. And in the end, as someone already stated, I will never buy an Apple product because I don't like the attitude of people using Apple. Those are mostly non-tech people that think they are so cool only because of something they OWN. IMHO it is way more cool to be ABLE to customize your device and understand how it works and tweak it than to be able to PURCHASE something. Just like they say in new Samsung commercial... one guy says "I could never have Samsung, I'm creative" and his friend replies "Dude, you're a barista" ;-) 99% of thos cool people are not businessman or even IT. They're waiters and shop assistents that need an ego boost....
Well, just my opinion, hope I didn't insult anyone.
regards,
D.
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Also known as sheep.
Thing is, I have recently fled from the flock of sheep (I had an iphone 4, got it from a friend for free as I lost my Galaxy). I absolutely love the creative ability of android, I miss being in a moving truck instead of a shoebox. If you're deciding on which to get, it depends on what you want it to do;
Want something to just work? Get an iPhone.
Want the phone to be more flexible and allow you to customize almost every conceivably possible option? Get an android phone.
android can do what chuck norris cant
Hi all,
Since the release of the new Apple 13 (Pro) device, the main question is: do the new features of this new Apple iPhone justify to upgrade from an Apple 11 or Apple 12? In a lot of reviews the new Apple 13 is mainly seen as an/compared to the Apple 12S with minor added features. What are the new features of the new iPhone 13 (Pro)?
1. Better camera's compared to it's predecessors
2. More storage
3. A bit faster processor
4. Faster loading and a bit greater battery
But the question still remains, is it worth to upgrade?
IMPO, this is not the case when you own, as I do, the Apple Pro 12 Max. It's only worth to upgrade when you are a die-hard photographer. Then you will enjoy and appreciate the added new features in the Apple iPhone 13, which are somewhat disappointing regarding the costs. Also the update from iOS 14.8 to iOS 15 do not lead to big improvements, which is Apple unworthy unfortunately. Also the use of the lightning cable has become obsolete as of today. Apple has to switch to the, at this very moment, generally accepted USB C cable. A severe omission. What are your experciences and considerations to buy the new Apple iPhone? Am I right or wrong?
kindest regards, kuzibri
Whether the iPhone are pricey or not, totally depends on what weights more on your value scale.
iPhone is simple, easy to use (ridiculously easy), and very powerful in many aspects.
Apple managed to benefit from this combination.
Of course there's a lot of cons and pros, but there's something you need to know, if you were to buy a phone from Apple, Apple has one line of phones, and they are the company's flagship products.
You know how much flagship devices cost, the difference lays in what each OS offers. I personally don't like Apple products. So much underestimates.
I also disliked Apple products due to their stuberness to let us choose our own home display, etc. I acknowledged though that they made beautiful devices (my wife is an Apple addict). But at a certain moment, Apple released the watch 6 of which I was stunned by it's possibilities compared to the Fitbit Versa 2. I relealized that when I wanted to buy this watch, I also needed to buy an iPhone. Not so an interesting idea, UNTILL Apple released iOS 14.5, with which it was possible to achieve what I wanted, e.g. compose my own home display. This was the moment to make the switch for me and after one year now, I totally do not miss Android at all. Using the Apple now, I noticed a few things in comparison with Android: 1. It never crashes, 2. Updates, in contrast to Android, are not only on a very regular basis, but devices are also supported for a long time. Now iOS 15 is released, which still works on an iPhone 6S. This is not the case with the support of any of the Android devices. Besides that, altough the iPhones are not cheap, the Samsung top devices are also vey expensive. My home display is now exactly the same as I had on my Android devices. Regards kuzibri
I picked up my second new Note 10+, 256gb, 12gb ram for $800 a week ago.
Anything without a SD card slot is dead to me.
A dual drive 1.25tb handheld PC... hell yeah.
Apples run very good, are very easy to use, and bore me to tears. I loathe them; they are overpriced and use CCP sweat cities to manufacture them. The bright icons and pastels drive me insane; Debbie would love them.
Samsung's are the most customizable stock phones on the planet. Unfortunately the 10+ and Android 10 were Samsung's and Android's best releases to date respectively. Which is why I went with a 2nd 10+, sad but true.
It's ok because even after 2 years the 10+ is just plain fun to use; fast, stable, excellent build Q with one of the best displays there is even today. No high refresh rates but better color rendering than even some newer flagship phones. The display has perfectly square corners, none of that horrible CRT roundness here. 7mm thick, even in a good case it's thin. Pics don't do it justice. The spen nests until needed as a remote shutter release or for Smart Capture which is great to have.
No way I would upgrade the Apple, but I'm extremely biased and hate pastels
blackhawk said:
I picked up my second new Note 10+, 256gb, 12gb ram for $800 a week ago.
Anything without a SD card slot is dead to me.
A dual drive 1.25tb handheld PC... hell yeah.
Apples run very good, are very easy to use, and bore me to tears. I loathe them; they are overpriced and use CCP sweat cities to manufacture them. The bright icons and pastels drive me insane; Debbie would love them.
Samsung's are the most customizable stock phones on the planet. Unfortunately the 10+ and Android 10 were Samsung's and Android's best releases to date respectively. Which is why I went with a 2nd 10+, sad but true.
It's ok because even after 2 years the 10+ is just plain fun to use; fast, stable, excellent build Q with one of the best displays there is even today. No high refresh rates but better color rendering than even some newer flagship phones. The display has perfectly square corners, none of that horrible CRT roundness here. 7mm thick, even in a good case it's thin. Pics don't do it justice. The spen nests until needed as a remote shutter release or for Smart Capture which is great to have.
No way I would upgrade the Apple, but I'm extremely biased and hate pastels
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Hi, very glad that I finally stirred up the discussion between Android and Apple users. As already mentioned, used to be a very satisfied Android user, but since Apple introduced the iOS 14, there is no difference anymore between an Android and Apple device. You're now able to make your own Home Screen, just like in Android. And let's be honest, which company gives updates so long to old devices as Apple. The most recent Apple iOS is 15 and runs on an Apple 6S. No Android device supports that long their devices. All in all, I do agree with earlier responders that Apple used to be boring, but that is now just ancient history since the release of iOS 14.5 and certainly now iOS15. Best regards, kuzibri
I haven't played with an Apple in 6 years... so there's that. That icon pack burns my eyes and display out though. Apple is going in unsavory directions on multiple fronts now. No SD card support alone though blows them out of the water.
As for updates once I have firmware that's fast, stable and fulfilling it's mission I leave it be. I rarely update and rarely have issues, that's not a coincidence. I may update my older 10+ running on 9 to 10, the same as the new one but that will be the last update.
Security simply isn't an issue. My current way outdated load is 16 months old, still fast and stable. No breaches.
All my critical data is redundantly backed up, a forced reload is the worst that could happen. Down time 2 hours, 6 if I need to repopulate the SD card. Any major firmware upgrade would cause far more downtime and worse could permanently degrade performance or capabilities.
I see no real advantage to updating an old device with a bloated OS it's hardware wasn't designed to handle. OS's tend to get larger, not smaller and are designed/optimized with the current hardware in use. So that 3, 5 whatever years support doesn't impress me in the least.
Tough choices if you are even considering one platform let alone two. I probably would wait to latter in 2022, even 2023. My next new purchase will be probably 2023 or latter. This year is a bust for Samsung and likely 2022. Apple may or may not be faring as badly, but there are supply chain issues worldwide. China is also having power infrastructure issues as well as a growing political storm both of their own making. I expect especially the latter to grow worse not better in the next 3 years.
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Hi, very glad that I finally stirred up the discussion between Android and Apple users. As already mentioned, used to be a very satisfied Android user, but since Apple introduced the iOS 14, there is no difference anymore between an Android and Apple device. You're now able to make your own Home Screen, just like in Android. And let's be honest, which company gives updates so long to old devices as Apple. The most recent Apple iOS is 15 and runs on an Apple 6S. No Android device supports that long their devices. All in all, I do agree with earlier responders that Apple used to be boring, but that is now just ancient history since the release of iOS 14.5 and certainly now iOS15. Best regards, kuzibri
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I don't mean to be rude, I'm sorry, but .. do you really want to compare the customisation level between Apple & Android?
Apple is never close to a customisable OS, it has always been late to the party. Not just the home screen, there's a lot of features took it years to implement, though they were on Android for a long.
I used iPhone 11 Pro Max for about a week. I don't know, but I never got relieved about it. Leaving all the customisation behind, and step into a kindergarten?
One thing I hated was Apple's underestimation, they act & think on your behalf. If they thought a regular user don't need to manage files, they'll not integrate any support for file manager.
That's exactly how their security system works, if they thought something can risk the device, they don't build a firewall, they just eliminate the target. A very good example is the recent Visa payment hacking issue, where a warning was sent to remove the Visa as a payment method.
I see this very ridiculous, it gets the job done, but in a non-professional way.
In the other hand, Android does not think on your behalf, it gives you what an iPhone lacks, an option. A vast range of options, and if something doesn't suit you, you can change it. Or simply, build it.
I think I may use an iPhone when I'm dying or something. At least I won't have anything else to do but socialising.
Hi, "@Mohamedkam000: do you really want to compare the customisation level between Apple & Android?". No that is not my purpose. My point is that untill recentrly there were two incompatible worlds, e.g. the Android world vs the Apple one. Now, due to the the release of iOs 14.5 Apple offers somewhat more possibilities to customize your device. Untill recently I belonged to the Android world and my motto was always "Apple is for dummies", although I was also always under the impression of the build quality of the devices, which is beyond doubt. Since it's possible to customize your iPhone, it has become easier, certainly if you just like me want the Apple watch but not the iPhone, to make the switch to Apple. There is now more or less an "in-between" world. That's my point, no more or less. Kind regards, kuzibri
BTW: let's be honest, the best OS for mobile devices that even existed was Windows Mobile, which was as versatile as it could be. I owned an HTC HD2 with windows mobile, android and apple on one phone and all working perfect.
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Hi, "@Mohamedkam000: do you really want to compare the customisation level between Apple & Android?". No that is not my purpose. My point is that untill recentrly there were two incompatible worlds, e.g. the Android world vs the Apple one. Now, due to the the release of iOs 14.5 Apple offers somewhat more possibilities to customize your device. Untill recently I belonged to the Android world and my motto was always "Apple is for dummies", although I was also always under the impression of the build quality of the devices, which is beyond doubt. Since it's possible to customize your iPhone, it has become easier, certainly if you just like me want the Apple watch but not the iPhone, to make the switch to Apple. There is now more or less an "in-between" world. That's my point, no more or less. Kind regards, kuzibri
BTW: let's be honest, the best OS for mobile devices that even existed was Windows Mobile, which was as versatile as it could be. I owned an HTC HD2 with windows mobile, android and apple on one phone and all working perfect.
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I can go ahead and bring the pros and cons of iOS, but that's a long fight. So I'm gonna stick into the reasons you're providing to justify iPhone.
kuzibri said:
due to the the release of iOs 14.5 Apple offers somewhat more possibilities to customize your device
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I don't think you ever tried custom ROMs on Android phones. CyanogenMod? What about MIUI custom ROMs of 2014? How about the famous LineageOS?
Okay let go of the systems, how about Xposed? Ever used it? Ever used Dr. Ketan's ROMs? I'm asking to see if you had any experience in deep customisation.
Okay, do you know that you can change the home screen launcher on Android? You can change icons? You can use themes? Not just a wallpaper, a full theme.
If you know that, I wonder how can you even think about saying the iPhone is comparable to the customisation level on Android.
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"Apple is for dummies"
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The company does literally acknowledge this phrase. And they are right to assume that. But, they are profiting from their right assumption.
Apple treats people like babies, people don't need the complications of programming and themes and customisation and other stuff. People just need to pay and use the limited things Apple offers.
kuzibri said:
want the Apple watch but not the iPhone
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Safety features like Fall Detection, Emergency SOS, and high and low heart rate notifications make Apple Watch great for older family members, even if they don't own an iPhone.
Calling, texting, and location sharing provide an easy way to stay connected with the family. Where I live, no one cares about smart watches, so I can't speak about it.
One last thing:-
iPhone has been released earlier than Android, it was revolutionary back then, and as you know, first impressions has a very huge impact on the customer's preference.
I have a relative that is using an iPhone for appearances, but his actual primary phone is an Android. It simply helps him a lot in his work, for he don't need a laptop to manage files or something.
@Mohamedkam000 said: I don't think you ever tried custom ROMs on Android phones. CyanogenMod? What about MIUI custom ROMs of 2014? How about the famous LineageOS?" Yes in my Android time I have used a lot of custom ROM's, like f.i. CyanogenMod, Artemis Rom, etc. So I'm familiar to customizations. To state that the iWatch is only for older family members is IMPO at least shortsighted. It's by far the best smartwatch available at this very moment (except for battery life). My sole purpose is to bring the Android and Apple world somewhat closer together instead of the current "War of the worlds". Both make beautiful devices with it'own pros and cons. Kind regards kuzibri
kuzibri said:
@Mohamedkam000 said: I don't think you ever tried custom ROMs on Android phones. CyanogenMod? What about MIUI custom ROMs of 2014? How about the famous LineageOS?" Yes in my Android time I have used a lot of custom ROM's, like f.i. CyanogenMod, Artemis Rom, etc. So I'm familiar to customizations. To state that the iWatch is only for older family members is IMPO at least shortsighted. It's by far the best smartwatch available at this very moment (except for battery life). My sole purpose is to bring the Android and Apple world somewhat closer together instead of the current "War of the worlds". Both make beautiful devices with it'own pros and cons. Kind regards kuzibri
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Unless Apple changes its ecosystem of which it does not allow its devices to work well with other rival products, there's no way the two worlds could join.
Hi @Mohamedkam000 , regarding this "Unless Apple changes its ecosystem of which it does not allow its devices to work well with other rival products, there's no way the two worlds could join." If we're holding on to these points of view, indeed the two worlds will never join. It's a matter of giving and taking. F.i. you ask Apple to change their ecosystem in order to work well with each other. But, what do yo have in return for Apple? That's the main problem for this dead end. As I see it, Apple has a lot of knowledge about securing the privacy of their users, while Android suffers once and a while from mal/ransomware due to the opensource of the OS. See what I mean? Regards, kuzibri
BTW: this does not mean that I'm able on my own to solve that problem not are you, but if we cooperate in this line, we might be able to convince some leading persons of both sides to do something about this.
BTW2: Also see this regarding customizations regarding icons on an iPhone: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/customizations-on-the-apple-iphone.4342639/. It's only an example of many other apps.
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Hi @Mohamedkam000 , regarding this "Unless Apple changes its ecosystem of which it does not allow its devices to work well with other rival products, there's no way the two worlds could join." If we're holding on to these points of view, indeed the two worlds will never join. It's a matter of giving and taking. F.i. you ask Apple to change their ecosystem in order to work well with each other. But, what do yo have in return for Apple? That's the main problem for this dead end. As I see it, Apple has a lot of knowledge about securing the privacy of their users, while Android suffers once and a while from mal/ransomware due to the opensource of the OS. See what I mean? Regards, kuzibri
BTW: this does not mean that I'm able on my own to solve that problem not are you, but if we cooperate in this line, we might be able to convince some leading persons of both sides to do something about this.
BTW2: Also see this regarding customizations regarding icons on an iPhone: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/customizations-on-the-apple-iphone.4342639/. It's only an example of many other apps.
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iPhone is safer than Android, but not more secure. For a device that receives so many patches for vulnerabilities, it doesn't seem to be better than Android.
I mean .. I've never heard of an essay alerting Android users to remove their Visa from the device. Android does fix the vulnerability. Apple does remove the reason the vulnerability is their in the first place.
Android is used by many, many people around the world, it is a very attractive target for hackers, of course it'll get some attacks. But, most of them does exploit the negligence of the phone owner. Like the latest report of malware-infected apps.
Example: Samsung has allowed iOS devices to connect to her Watch products for a long, maybe sometimes there's some missing features, but that's because it is created for Samsung devices.
On the other hand, Apple smartwatch does not allow any Android device to pair with it, it simply refuses to pair. If it was really a give-and-take, then Apple will take and not give.
Hi @Mohamedkam000 , regarding this: "On the other hand, Apple smartwatch does not allow any Android device to pair with it, it simply refuses to pair. If it was really a give-and-take, then Apple will take and not give.", see this video:
. It's not flawless, but it's possible.
Pairing Android watches to an iPhone is also not very easy and has it's disadvantages: https://www.lifewire.com/pairing-android-wearables-with-the-iphone-3875746. Regards kuzibri
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Hi @Mohamedkam000 , regarding this: "On the other hand, Apple smartwatch does not allow any Android device to pair with it, it simply refuses to pair. If it was really a give-and-take, then Apple will take and not give.", see this video:
. It's not flawless, but it's possible.
Pairing Android watches to an iPhone is also not very easy and has it's disadvantages: https://www.lifewire.com/pairing-android-wearables-with-the-iphone-3875746. Regards kuzibri
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I thought we were talking about what is official, and what can be done without using back-door. Hacks happen due to an existing restriction, iPhone does not need to hack anything to connect to Samsung Watch, it is allowed to. Sometimes with limited features, and you know why.
I know there is Jailbreak on iPhone, too. But have you thought about the word itself? Jail? Break? iPhone is a Jail? Like .. I've never seen a company that makes choices on behalf of their customers like Apple do. It'll probably take them years to, for example, add another user-prefered customisation features.
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I thought we were talking about what is official, and what can be done without using back-door. Hacks happen due to an existing restriction, iPhone does not need to hack anything to connect to Samsung Watch, it is allowed to. Sometimes with limited features, and you know why.
I know there is Jailbreak on iPhone, too. But have you thought about the word itself? Jail? Break? iPhone is a Jail? Like .. I've never seen a company that makes choices on behalf of their customers like Apple do. It'll probably take them years to, for example, add another user-prefered customisation features.
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I just replied to your remark that Apple does not allow to pair with Android Smartwatches at all, no more or less. The only Smartwatch I know that supports both Android and, in a bit minor fashion, Apple's iOS, are the Fitbit devices due to their own Fitbit OS. Maybe in the near future Google Smartwatches are able of paring to Apple due to the fact that Google bought Fitbit.
Depending on what factors more heavily on your value scale, you can decide whether the iPhone is expensive or not. The iPhone is straightforward, really simple to operate, and extremely powerful in many ways. Apple was successful in gaining from this combo.
There are undoubtedly many advantages and disadvantages, but if you were to get an Apple phone, you should be aware that the business only produces one line of phones, which are its flagship models.
The pricing of flagship devices is well known; the differences are in the features that each OS provides. Apple items don't appeal to me personally. Much is understated. But I had spent a lot of money to buy it.