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I have this marketing class and my group is deciding to create an advertising for WM7. I'm asking you guys for your opinion on why WM wasn't as successful as the iphone? What were the issues is because they only targeted professionals and developers. Also why do you think WM7 will be successful because its going be more commercial oriented too all?
I really appreciate any responses thanks a lot.

have a look here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=605

Though i'm looking for peoples opinon on why they didnt like old WM..

KidTech said:
I have this marketing class and my group is deciding to create an advertising for WM7. I'm asking you guys for your opinion on why WM wasn't as successful as the iphone? What were the issues is because they only targeted professionals and developers. Also why do you think WM7 will be successful because its going be more commercial oriented too all?
I really appreciate any responses thanks a lot.
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Was it really less successful than iphone? windows mobile has been around way longer. I am guessing combining all of the devices with windows mobile vs how many devices with iphone os windows mobile will come out on top.

Very briefly:
1) Inconsistent performance and freeze prone. Sometimes it is okay for days, sometimes I feezes 20 times a day.
2) Slow. Microsoft was too relaxed when specifying minimum hardware requirements. Hardware vendor did'nt want to beef up the hardware because they try to keep the profit high.
3) Passive screen was no match for capacitive touch screen
4) User interface was based on desktop windows - not optimised for finger use.
5) Most programs have ugly user interface.
6) Many programs no longer works in newer ROM. Too easy to pirate the software so software vendors not motivated to update them.
7) iPhone's application store was a game changer. There are now 185,000 applications to choose from. MS was not able to put together something similar.
8) iPhone's firmware support and upgrade was impeccable. In contrast, window phone vendor almost never support any upgrade. XDA ROM cook had to do this job for them. I think it''s fair to say that without XDA, winmo would have died much much earlier. Ironically, MS didn't express any thanks to the people here. In fact they even tried to threaten them with legal action in the beginning.
9) iPhone has far better ecosystem of accessories such as speaker system that allows you to dock the iPhone.
10) User interface design of iPhone is hard to match. Not just because it uses passive screen and does pinch and zoom. Some applications also use true multitouch UI such as two or three fingers swipe and touch for webpage navigation, thus making it really enjoyable and easy for the user. The keyboard accuracy and forgiveness is great. Webpage scroll down for example, is 100% vertical without having any slight left or right movement. Size of controls, size of text, colors, are all done right. It is easy to accurately click on even extremely tiny link on webpage without being any need to be accurate. In short, everything feels right and works right.
11) MS took too long to react, and did too little too late. Worst, they became very confused.
I was honestly a person who absolutely wanted to stick with MS and had despite iPhone when it was first released. Who wanted a phone with no third party sofotware, right? But then, when things became to change, MS was still complacent, and arrogant. I always told myself that WM7 would blow iPhone away very very soon, so be patient. Then when WM7 was delayed again and again, and when I saw how crappy the new desktop in 6.5 was, I began to doubt the capability of MS and begin exploring iPhone. The other important factor that drove me away was when I saw MS not knowing the direction by pursuing WM7, Zune, and Pink phone simultenously, and that made me lose confidence in MS significantly.
Winmo does have things to its favour though. For example: You have the chance to select the style of phones exactly to your taste. E.g. having hardware keyboard, having hugh or smaller screens, having flash in the camera, having higher megapixel camera. HTC also did a splendid job with its TouchFlo/Sense UI, and in hiding the ugly OS as much as possible from the end user. Unfortunately, the moment you start using your applications, all the ugly UI come back in its full force. Also, Sense UI is not very customizable or flexible for the end user beyond just hiding the unwanted tabs. So, unless your requirements are more or less totally satisfied by the functions of features on TouchFlo/Sense, then you'll still be dealing with the old ugly stylus based user interface.
Winmo is considered to be extremely attractive to people with technical skills to cook/flash ROMs, and for people who wish to keep using the programs they had developed for it. For the ordinary users who just want to get things done easily, quickly, reliably and also with lots of fun, iPhone seems to be able to cater to what they were looking for better.
Hope this give you something to write about.
Cheers.

Every big OS has it's benefits.

Every major OS seems to hit very powerfully in one area and be weak in others.
First there's iOS who's app store is their major (and in my opinion only) selling point.
Then there's android, it's pretty much completely open-source.
WP7 is all about the OS, there's nothing that quite compares in that region
Blackberry is all about reliability. Sturdy hardware with unimpressive specs but great battery life and an OS that almost never has any errors
WebOS... well some people like the cards... Honestly I couldn't think of the selling point for this one :/.
Aside from those points it seems to be primarily a matter of opinion (though I know some of the above are opinions as well they're pretty much fact)
We all war over who's got the best OS but if we would all just get along I'm sure this could be a more community oriented forum and as a whole we could get a lot more done.

Yea... I do agree with all of the OSs strong points, however I font think we "font get along" in a sense that we don't like a particular OS, we just don't like certain things about it.
I font like the fact that IOS is practically closed, and when I had an ills Touch for a while I quickly got bored of it because it was the sans through and through.
I have an Android phone and love it, but, like most people, I feel the OS could be a little more polished and the apparently along with the market could be better to compete with IOS.

[Q] How about the Nokia N9? Is it worthy buying compared to android cell phone?

Nokia N9 has been announced. How about the Nokia N9? Is it worthy buying compared to android cell phone?

Meego Nokia N9 Hands-on Review: 2 highlights and 2 weakness.
Here is the Nokia hands-on review collected from people:
2 Highlights: Curvature screen; Double-click to unlock the screen
2 Weakness: only a few Apps support for the Meego system, lack of scalability, lack of playability; rigid icon, the practical need to be verified.
Source: /answers.downloadatoz.com/q,2806,meego-nokia-n9-hands-on-review-2-highlights-and-2-weakness-is-it-worthy-buying.html

It is surely more mature than Android in terms of telephony and audio as it is designed by Nokia, even if the OS might sound new. And I don't even speak about Ovi maps which is the Nokia mapping system, which is not dependent on the data network like Google maps and works perfectly well.
Android is very good in terms of fluidity and network user experience with applications, they have developped and optimized a nice virtual machine for embedded systems.
Meego is more open than Android and follows regular Linux updates (based on Fedora), and it also upstreams in all components making it becoming the smartphone version of Linux.
I would love to test it to see the features and how Qt apps are responding to the user. Th euser interface is supposed to have been evolved a lot compared to Symbian, and shall be somehow different from iPhone or Android.

The fact that it has pentaband 3G and Linux alone, I'm sold.
Moreover, there is something called Myriad Alien Dalvik. Android apps on non-Android devices. If they do toss that in that'll be sick.
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I am pretty sure, some is gonna upload android CM mod on it pretty soon
Jokes apart, they have gotta a decent enough review on engadget today. Only thing that bothers me is the interaction technique - swipe from one end of the screen to the other, that actually involves a lot of work for a touch based interface.
Secondly how will that interaction map to all the context, it might be confusing in many cases.

Only thing that bothers me is the interaction technique - swipe from one end of the screen to the other, that actually involves a lot of work for a touch based interface.
Secondly how will that interaction map to all the context, it might be confusing in many cases.
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Not at all. You dont have to swipe across the ENTIRE screen, just from the outer edge onto the screen itself, not ALL the way across.
And tests say its not confusing. It makes sense to use the changeswipe to change and the in-app-swipes for in-app-use. Its just intuitive and doesnt feel weird at all.
Also: there will be android apps for it. Also, its open source so android itself will probably be ported, as it was for Maemo5 on the N900, Meegos predecessor.
Only problem is its slow 3g network, speed only being about 14. something, whereas the SGS2 has the H+ connection of 21. something.

It seems it may actually have 21.something 3g speed, so... yeah, perfection.
Bought it today.

Reasons to Choose Android/iOS over WP7

Too many trolls.

Sorry to hear about that. I've experienced similar stuff like that. I have a hard time dealing with such hard heartedness.
Give WP7 a little time. A lot of the features it lacks will come in the second run of hardware with the Samsung Focus S being the top choice (IMO)
I know I certainly had a hard time putting up with WP7 till Mango came along. And the updating system really scrapes my last nerve raw. But the thing about WP7 is it is so good compared to all of the others that I can't turn away from it. I really tried this last time to abandon it when the Mango update didn't come through for my Focus like it was suppose to. But I really could not maintain a hate for it no matter how hard I tried. It's too good. Damn MS! Making such a sweet system. They knew what they were maliciously doing.
But Mango has solved a lot of issues for me and the customization of the homescreen with certain tiles and such is perfect for me. We have a "Show off your WP7" thread where you can find out about apps and the look of their tiles, which I find very convenient and helpful. It's here.

Attacked? Really? I simply asked him to relocate his thread and he got defensive. That pertains to the topic at hand since you decided to demonize me without reason.
As for iphone's benefits, gaming and more mature PC software. Everything on it runs on par with it's WP7 performance and there's more of it. It's only drawbacks are screen size which isn't much of an issue to most but I can't type on it, and the hideous UI.
Edit: android, can't think of any unless you want to build your phone from the ground up to be half as good. It's just not a quality product. If you're a hardware junkie though it's where you want to be, just know that the hardware could really show off if it were utilizing another OS.

IOS-
Smoothness
More Games
More Apps
Looks pretty good Stock
Android-
Complete customization - Even without rooting; You can change the launcher, Lockscreen, etc. Just look @ the different homescreens on the Show your [Insert Phone]'s Homescreen threads.
More apps (Less than IOS); However, you can get apps that can do pretty much anything - Such as custom launchers, etc which would be classified as "Duplicating Functionality" on IOS. I'm not too sure about WP7 though.
More games (Still less than IOS)
Open Source (Bigger variation in ROMS, such as CM7, Miui, etc). Also has the biggest rooting community (Technically, IOS is bigger since there are only 6 phones. Regardless, you cant exactly do much to a Jailbroken iPhone compared to android)
Proper Multitasking (You can get an app such as Equalizer to change the sound of all other apps, instead of getting custom music/video players with built in adjsutable equalizers)
These are just the Pros, There are still quite a few cons with IOS/Android.

Just choose iOs or Wp7, if you want to be sure you get updates everytime, even with different manufacturers window phone 7 updates everybody. http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/28/microsoft-windows-phone-mango-now-being-delivered-to-100-perce/

Honestly, I didn't like the interface of WP7. very subjective matter, but iOS interface is way cooler.
IOS is bound to be more stable and secure, android would be more flexible. Windows wouldnt get the leverage that it got in the early 90's PC arena due to open source android.

Oh gawd saji, you just opened up a gate to a "serious discussion". Noooo, this thread is going to go downhill now. Well atleast we'll be exercising our brains.

Windows Phone 7, no are a best plataform in this moment... in the future is posible

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Windows Phone 7, no are a best plataform in this moment... in the future is posible
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Na, The best platform, Sega Mega drive, The best platform(er) Sonic 3 + Sonic and knuckles
Suck it mario.

Apps. First party support. Devs on iOS and android care more about their products. Better push notifications. Better IM apps on ios and android. Better voice recognition (vlingo and/or Siri). Better mapping (Google Maps and MapQuest).
Way better and more future proof hardware and gaming.
iOS is more polished than android. Wp7 from an apps/dev support standpoint feels like Symbian. The ui has many drawbacks and wastes a colossal ton of screen real estate in many instances. My favorite is when you select a list or combo box control. It takes up the whole screen with a text list. iOS and touch wiz phones only use half with a wheel to select, which is way better.
Metro is cute on the home screen, but once you dive deeper the endless palettes of nothing but huge text and no chrome just kills the experience for me.
If you are a light user then wp7 is probably best since you won't require much, anyways. Moderate to heavy users are better served by the other two. Media focused users are better off going with apple, but wp7 is obviously better than android from an ecosystem standpoint. Android phones tend to have significantly better codec support than iOS and wp7, in addition to adobe flash compatibility.
Windows phones aren't adequately future proof. They all use older hardware with lower resolution screens. Wvga is the hvga of this day, IMO, ESP with so many non-PenTile qHD SLCD phones coming out these days. Games have to use lower resolutions and don't run as well as on i4(s) and top end android phones (or even some mid range androids now, since some have hummingbird processors etc.). Games that run flawlessly on ios like fruit ninja lag on wp7 devices.
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N8ter said:
Apps. First party support. Devs on iOS and android care more about their products. Better push notifications. Better IM apps on ios and android. Better voice recognition (vlingo and/or Siri). Better mapping (Google Maps and MapQuest).
Way better and more future proof hardware and gaming.
iOS is more polished than android. Wp7 from an apps/dev support standpoint feels like Symbian. The ui has many drawbacks and wastes a colossal ton of screen real estate in many instances. My favorite is when you select a list or combo box control. It takes up the whole screen with a text list. iOS and touch wiz phones only use half with a wheel to select, which is way better.
Metro is cute on the home screen, but once you dive deeper the endless palettes of nothing but huge text and no chrome just kills the experience for me.
If you are a light user then wp7 is probably best since you won't require much, anyways. Moderate to heavy users are better served by the other two. Media focused users are better off going with apple, but wp7 is obviously better than android from an ecosystem standpoint. Android phones tend to have significantly better codec support than iOS and wp7, in addition to adobe flash compatibility.
Windows phones aren't adequately future proof. They all use older hardware with lower resolution screens. Wvga is the hvga of this day, IMO, ESP with so many non-PenTile qHD SLCD phones coming out these days. Games have to use lower resolutions and don't run as well as on i4(s) and top end android phones (or even some mid range androids now, since some have hummingbird processors etc.). Games that run flawlessly on ios like fruit ninja lag on wp7 devices.
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As you've gained report as a WP7 troll, I'll bite. How is wp7, from a developer standpoint, like Symbian? They have undoubtedly the best support I've received on any OS, the best developer incentive, and a dev environment that is a pleasure to operate in. Also, angry birds and fruit ninja both run smoother than my GS2 now that the mango update is intact. Fruit ninja is not quite on par with iPhone 4s but that's just because it was obviously a port rather than a new build of the game.

what can an android do?

I have just gotten an upgrade for my carrier and I am having trouble deciding if I would like to stay with an iPhone and get the iphone4s or go to an android and get the Samsung galaxy s2,I have never owned an android so I was wondering what can an android do compaired to iphone.

bigger screen and expandable storage, feels more like a computer than iphone does. They can both achieve the same goal but with different methods I think.

iOS shoves you into a shoebox.
Android shoves you into a moving box.
While both boxes, at least android you can move your elbows around.
Through rooting you have a wide range of customizing your phone with competing ROMs. These roms most often allow you to have a more optimized experience. But choose your manufacturer carefully if ROMing is what you want to do. Some manufacturers make this process easier or harder, but generally you'll have a bunch of super nerds that are more than willing to help you out.
iOS has a claim to stability over android. But think of it as having a paint by numbers and apple hands you the colors one at a time and forces you to do it their way. Android has versatility.
Uncle Rico: "I…I said the twelve pack, not the twenty-four pack. You're just gonna have to mix and match." Napoleon: "Shut up, say it so that the whole world can hear."

IOS Devices -
Smoother (High end androids such as SGS2 are about as smooth)
More Games.
Easier to use
Siri? (4s only - There are similar android apps but i don't believe any are as good.)
Android -
Customization (You can basically change everything on stock android.)
Larger variety of apps (Keyboards such as Swype, Launchers, etc)
I Don't really see why people complain about android Crashes/FC. They rarely happen on Stock roms (Not enough to be annoying) and usually occur due to doing something that isn't meant to be done (Task managers, Bad ROMs), or a faulty app.
Also, Rooting is pretty useful. It basically allows you to do anything with your phone (Such as install ubuntu, Android roms, better Radios for better signals, uninstall system apps, etc)

Everything!! I'm on my way to root this very instant.

From my personal experience, Android is far superior than the iphone 4 (can't say much about 4s as i just upgraded from the iphone 4).
Yeah iphone 4 has more apps but the majority of them are useless and get boring FAST. Whereas, flashing roms like cyanogenmod is totally addicting and so much fun (shame my phone is stuck in alpha version for cyanogenmod). I havent seen much of a difference in the retina display because my phone's screen is larger, looks crisp and looks beautiful.
Best thing is if you dont want to root you can still install emulators for free regardless of rooting. I <3 pokemon on my android.
Choice is yours but i am never going back to iphone because my phone is more fun.
Cheers
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Well I like iPhone. I am using Android now. I like the spirit of android that trust its' user.

I like android, because you can experiment a lot
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Apple makes something that just works. but if you don't like the way it works, too bad. Android devices work just as well, albeit differently, but it's nice to know that if there is anything in the UI that isn't to your liking, you can simply change it. in the early days of Android, the UI was sluggish and riddled with incompatibilities and crashes, which gave the iPhone a heightened sense of 'perfection.' this is a thing of the past. new, high-end Android devices are well-polished and just as snappy as any iPhone. ICS will further bridge the gap, especially in dual core devices.
one area Android cannot compete with Apple in, though, and I don't know if it will ever be able to: battery life.. and when you consider what the device is (above all else, it's a phone.. you probably need it to communicate, and therefore you probably want it to be powered on at all times), that's as important as any other feature. there's just no comparison. even if you spend 5 hours tweaking settings to minimize draw, your fancy shmancy Android device's battery will never last as long as an iPhone's. of course, again, we come back to the customization thing: with Android devices, you could just get a ludicrously overstuffed battery replacement and probably come near iPhone uptime, something you cannot do with Apple devices.
my honest opinion? (keep in mind I have owned 6 android devices since the Dream first came out.. I'm not an Apple fanboy at all - I'm not a fanboy of any fancy telephone. it's a phone, not my life) I would own an iPhone 4S over any current Android offering if I hadn't boycotted Apple years ago. they're not the type of business I willingly support... but give them respect when it's due: they make fantastic mobile devices.
for now, I'm more than happy with my MT4GS. I like the phys keyboard, which is superb, and I don't have to look like a halfwit when I'm sending e-mails on the go to the executive team. I like the hardware, which is identical to the Sensation's. I like the 3.7" screen coupled with HDPI resolution, which gives me plenty of viewing area on webpages and whatnot without crazy battery draw like you'll get from these gimmicky 5" HD screens. the camera is phenomenal for a phone. and even though it ships with the most disgusting form of Sense imaginable (T-mo's espresso), as I've said, it's easy to change things around to get the experience to my liking thanks to Android's ease of customization.
to all of the Android zealots who have posted here and will surely continue to post: get over it. the iPhone is the benchmark, that's the way it is, and in the foreseeable future, that's the way it will be. there's a reason for that, and it's not just because people who are Apple loyalists are idiots... ALL of apple's products are highly refined and very user friendly. if you're the kind of person who doesn't have the patience for technology, but wants to stay connected, you'd be dumb to go with anything but Apple. if you don't fit into that category; if you like to tinker, if you don't like feeling locked down by your mobile OS, buy an Android device and enjoy it... quit getting your panties in a bunch because the entire world doesn't see eye-to-eye with you concerning your choice in the realm of glorified telephones. if it works for you, that's all that matters, and who cares what your buddies with their iThings say? it's all just stuff in the end... stuff that will end up in a landfill just like the rest of the stuff you own.
just my $.02 (more like $.05, that was a novella)

I'd liken the iPhone to a safety bubble, where everything works well and doesn't overextend its boundaries. If you're someone who likes to tinker with everything, and wants more customizability, in terms of OS and phone choice, I'd go with Android.

This is how I recently described the difference between the iPhone and Android. I expected to get tutted at for saying it, but most people here agreed.
iPhones are for people who want to look like they know tech.
Android is for people that actually do know tech (or at least want to learn).

Nerds = android
IPhone = everyone else
If you wanna mod and my your phone and completely make it your own get an android.
The iPhone is great straight out of the box but is really locked down.
You basically need to tweak an Android phone to make it have decent battery life or get an extra battery.
Perks of android is options and oh btw ICS is amazing, it runs flawless on my phone, though I had to tweak it.
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basically everything a computer can

Android is like having a normal car, with all the proper features. iOS is like having that car with only 1 pedal, 1 gear, and just the fuel gauge on the dashboard.

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Android is like having a normal car, with all the proper features. iOS is like having that car with only 1 pedal, 1 gear, and just the fuel gauge on the dashboard.
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....and it's shiny....

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....and it's shiny....
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Ah yes, polished chrome for paint job that just blinds everyone else including yourself. Also, mirrors show what's in front of you rather than behind.

Most of the stated I agree with. I'd add that to me, iPhones are boring. What do you have when you turn on iPhone? Just a bunch of icons. Not very creative or different? Not even animated wallpaper. On Adndroid, half the fun is customizing the desktop. You can have live wallpaper, widgets, folders, icons... And yes, iPhone is probably a BIT smoother and more stable than most Android phones. But this is not the fault of Android phones, it is more a thing that you can't do half the things with an iPhone that you can do with Android. Apple limited their device and ofcourse it performs better because it doesn't do many things android does. Imagine only Live Wallpaper. How much more CPU power Android phones must use in order to display animated background.... then all the widgets. That constantly change/update.... while Apple devices only display rows of icons and no wonder they run slightly smoother. And in the end, as someone already stated, I will never buy an Apple product because I don't like the attitude of people using Apple. Those are mostly non-tech people that think they are so cool only because of something they OWN. IMHO it is way more cool to be ABLE to customize your device and understand how it works and tweak it than to be able to PURCHASE something. Just like they say in new Samsung commercial... one guy says "I could never have Samsung, I'm creative" and his friend replies "Dude, you're a barista" ;-) 99% of thos cool people are not businessman or even IT. They're waiters and shop assistents that need an ego boost....
P.S.
here it is for those that haven't seen it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&feature=player_embedded&v=6h5JSojJN3Y
Well, just my opinion, hope I didn't insult anyone.
regards,
D.

dalanik said:
Most of the stated I agree with. I'd add that to me, iPhones are boring. What do you have when you turn on iPhone? Just a bunch of icons. Not very creative or different? Not even animated wallpaper. On Adndroid, half the fun is customizing the desktop. You can have live wallpaper, widgets, folders, icons... And yes, iPhone is probably a BIT smoother and more stable than most Android phones. But this is not the fault of Android phones, it is more a thing that you can't do half the things with an iPhone that you can do with Android. Apple limited their device and ofcourse it performs better because it doesn't do many things android does. Imagine only Live Wallpaper. How much more CPU power Android phones must use in order to display animated background.... then all the widgets. That constantly change/update.... while Apple devices only display rows of icons and no wonder they run slightly smoother. And in the end, as someone already stated, I will never buy an Apple product because I don't like the attitude of people using Apple. Those are mostly non-tech people that think they are so cool only because of something they OWN. IMHO it is way more cool to be ABLE to customize your device and understand how it works and tweak it than to be able to PURCHASE something. Just like they say in new Samsung commercial... one guy says "I could never have Samsung, I'm creative" and his friend replies "Dude, you're a barista" ;-) 99% of thos cool people are not businessman or even IT. They're waiters and shop assistents that need an ego boost....
Well, just my opinion, hope I didn't insult anyone.
regards,
D.
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Also known as sheep.

Thing is, I have recently fled from the flock of sheep (I had an iphone 4, got it from a friend for free as I lost my Galaxy). I absolutely love the creative ability of android, I miss being in a moving truck instead of a shoebox. If you're deciding on which to get, it depends on what you want it to do;
Want something to just work? Get an iPhone.
Want the phone to be more flexible and allow you to customize almost every conceivably possible option? Get an android phone.

android can do what chuck norris cant