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Poor video playback - solutions?

Hy guys,
Just to know, I'm coming from my trusty Eten M700. I bought the HTC Touch Pro about one week ago here, in Romania.
And I must say the video playback seems way too sluggish for a phone like this. On the M700, with same coreplayer version (latest), with raw frame buffer and medium quality and no other modification I could play every video I wanted. Including 720x576 xvid clips.
On this one...no matter what I set (QTV, raw frame buffer, direct draw), everything seems a little too sluggish compared to M700.
do you have the same impression, or is it just me?
I just read another thread here about video performance but it had too much dissipated info.

Gigs said:
Hy guys,
Just to know, I'm coming from my trusty Eten M700. I bought the HTC Touch Pro about one week ago here, in Romania.
And I must say the video playback seems way too sluggish for a phone like this. On the M700, with same coreplayer version (latest), with raw frame buffer and medium quality and no other modification I could play every video I wanted. Including 720x576 xvid clips.
On this one...no matter what I set (QTV, raw frame buffer, direct draw), everything seems a little too sluggish compared to M700.
do you have the same impression, or is it just me?
I just read another thread here about video performance but it had too much dissipated info.
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Which is why it's great that you started a new thread to dissipate the info further. Read the other thread(s) again, this has already been answered and solved within coreplayer.

P0ll0L0c0 said:
Which is why it's great that you started a new thread to dissipate the info further. Read the other thread(s) again, this has already been answered and solved within coreplayer.
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which topic is it? i have smilar issues

Untill now I have found that QTV with Medium acceleration, and dither on has the best performance, anyway less than m700. Setting the buffer to 8000 kb did not had any effect. Still want to hear from another pro owners what they think about this.

I agree, video playback just sucks! I hate Qualcomm processors, Xscale rulezzz!
However when I put QTv, my screen goes black and there's only sound.
How did you achieve to run it on QTv???

krabicka3 said:
I agree, video playback just sucks! I hate Qualcomm processors, Xscale rulezzz!
However when I put QTv, my screen goes black and there's only sound.
How did you achieve to run it on QTv???
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It depends on what kind of file you want to play with it. On mine, some 3gp and some clips compressed for mobile devices don't show anything on screen. Try to switch to raw frame buffer, and restart core player, maybe it helps?

Unfortunately the HTC Touch Pro is not the mulitmedia phone you want if your looking to run your non-mobile encoded videos. However it still can be a awesome video player if you encode videos to the right dimension and specs.
I took this past Sunday to play around with finding just the right video format and encode settings to play video as close to vga as possible. Unfortunately the Touch Pro can't play videos in full-vga resolution. HOWEVER, it can perfectly play videos in 480x320 which when you compare to a 640x480 video on the touch pro's 2.5inch screen there is no difference in quality what so ever.
When you play small videos on such a small screen you wont notice the difference in the resolution, however comparing a qvga (320x240) to the half vga 480x320 resolution you can definitely see a difference.
I use two different encoders, one being pocket divx encoder and the other videora iphone converter.
I encoded a bunch of animes and movies using pocket divx set to 480x320, 2-Pass, vhq enabled, around 850 video bitrate and 128kb stereo bitrate and all my videos look crisp on the Touch Pro and plays smoothly.
I suggest others to try it out and benchmark the playback yourself and you'll see it'll run at a easy 135%+ which is perfect for 100% smooth playback.

Gigs said:
It depends on what kind of file you want to play with it. On mine, some 3gp and some clips compressed for mobile devices don't show anything on screen. Try to switch to raw frame buffer, and restart core player, maybe it helps?
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1.) I suggest check two things, one be sure you are running the latest build which I assume you are,
2) under preferences and under the Qtv page look to make sure "Tytn 2 driver mode" is enabled.
3) some builds have a issue of zoomed in pictures to a an extreme amount that only a black screen shows when first installed, set the zoom to 50% and then reset to the normal or best fit.
Hopefully those changes should help you out
UPDATE: Also there is one bug I know of with Coreplayer. When coreplayer is launched and left running in the back (or if still active on screen) should the device go into sleep mode and then come back you will not be able to see any video playing when choosing to start. You'll have to close coreplayer and reopen again, I noticed this the other day and just came into mind when experiencing just now again.

I almost agree with you puerrican but I think it's such a burden to reencode....I managed to get easy after I saw that everything encoded with h264, mkv and encoders like this can't be played in the pro. However, everything I had in my computer encoded in divx, xvid, normal things works just fine with the settings I put in some posts above. I just tried 700 MB DVDrip(around 1000 kbit/s and 640x272) and some videoclip(624x352 vbr around 2300kbits) both xvid and they worked ok. 688x400 AVC1 (h264) killed the pro.It's not just the resolution but also the encoder used.
EDIT: just saw the update and I wanted to mention that I'm also using the 1.2.5 build 4506 with tytn 2 mode enabled and qtv on medium selected. And touchflo3d is disabled and I'm using the spb shell (or something like that with icons on screen).
IDEA: I think it would be interesting playing back xvid 640x480 and h264 640x480 to test this idea of mine

Definitely it is pain to go and do that. Plus reencoding speed relies heavily on your pc specs, on a high end specs your looking at around 4-5 mins for a 2-pass encoded video of 24 min length. While a movie length of 90 mins or so your looking at at least 16-22 mins.
So expect much longer wait on a lower end thats not even dual core or lower clock rate.
Until pdas start sporting dedicated gpus from nvidia or other names windows mobile wont ever benefit on being a media playback alternative which is a nice plus for those not looking to carry 2-3 devices for music, pmp, pda, and phone. Wish HTC would look into intel processors for their next unit and possibly throw in a nvidia mobile gpu like the 5500 with a decent amount of video memory. I mean at this point in the technology chain its not even remotely impossible to do so... so whats the hold up with companies???

yeah, i have no problem with mp4 at 640x480 (640x360 widescreen). mkv at high res (above 640x480) is a little juttery. my movies are usually 24fps, 1000kbps, 640x360
got same settings as gigs
coreplayer is working on fix for v1.3

I'm at a lost, I tried playing 640x480 videos on my touch pro and it stutters way too much, how are you guys managing to have to it playback flawlessly?

I dont really get whats good about watching movies on a 2.5 inch screen...do you do that on such a regular basis that this is so important ?
Regarding Video, i just watch some short youtube clips and stuff like that...
Ever tried to watch a full length movie on such a small screen ? I did that on holiday on my ipod and its really hurting the eyes to concetrate on such a small screen for 90+ minutes... not really anything you want to do regularly...besides not reencoded videos take up alot of space on your memorystick...
i dont have a problem with reencoding some videos and stuff, full length movies arent meant to be watched on a phone anyway

Well, a 2,5 inch screen is a bit too small, but our Touch Pros have a 2,8 inch screen

I have a zune and it has a 3 in screen and was perfect for watching tv videos or movies, and thats half the resolution then a TP. Cant wait to get my hand on the TP !!!

To each his own, some ppl like being able to watch videos whenever the call comes. Sometimes when I have to wait for something like a class to start or I'm away from my pc, or even on a airplane or public transportation I like to be able to watch few episodes easily and clearly. A full blown movie yea its gonna be a nuisance for a long time depending on the person. But some are accustomed to it, I for one can easily watch 4-6 episodes in a row without getting any kind of headahce.

yep, its quite convient. all in one device. it has tv out as well, so since it is simalar res to tv, it looks great
music + movies on phone, no ned for mp3 player. plus i can stream movies off my pc

yeah i see that there is room for this, but i dont think many people use this so regulary that converting a few movies is that much of a pain. You will save a lot of space on your memorystick as well.

I have modifying 2 regentries and the video is now much better.
Look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=438318
Using CorePlayer the benchmark was before 75-95%,now 145%. on same videofile - Uncompressed VGA XviD.
Edit... I am sorry. It wasn't working. I just forgot,that I set the video quality to medium before.

You have to chose Medium Quality on Video Settings (with Qtv selected), otherwise it lags so much ..
Even on medium on motion scenses some frame drops
Video used for tests: RL_XQ_640x480_1500_128.avi (found somewhere here on this forum.. can't remember the topic name )

Youtube HD playback

I am a new android/captivate buyer. Try as I might (googled for a few hours) I could not find anything on the Captivate and it's Hd playback. My question is:
Is there a way I can play Youtube HD on my Captivate via stream? (and NO I don't mean High Quality I mean straight up HD *720p*.).
I'm just mad the iphone 4 can and I can't find a way to do it on my captivate.
Thanks
Jose

If you are connected via wifi, I believe it defaults to the highest..on 3g it defaults to low and you have to click thne menu button, go to 'More' and go to high quality. Someone will correct me if Im wrong

Neither the iPhone 4 nor any Android phone has 720p screen resolution. If the iPhone 4 is telling you it is displaying at 720p, it is either cropping or compressing the video.
However, the Samsung Captivate and many other Android phones are essentially at 480p HD resolution, which is what setting the videos to High Quality should display (bump it up to 480p playback).

Belaflek said:
If you are connected via wifi, I believe it defaults to the highest..on 3g it defaults to low and you have to click thne menu button, go to 'More' and go to high quality. Someone will correct me if Im wrong
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That is the way it works on our version of Youtube. The newer version has a more conveniently placed HQ button and allows you to set HQ as the default.

I might add the Captivate also plays 720p and 1080p (though really it's pointless) video files quite well. And UNLIKE the iPhone 4, you don't have no encode everything in MP4/H.264 to play them. Thank you Samsung for native MKV and AVI container support...
And yes, the Captivate's screen resolution is lower than 720p (assuming a pixel for pixel representation), but in practice if you're watching a movie or tv show, it looks way better if the file is 720p as opposed to 480p.

Man... Why does the iPhone 4's videos look SO much more crisp than my dear Samsung? They can't beat the vividness of the display though Hopefully youtube can be updated to play sharper videos for android later down the line. These screen resolutions are getting more epic every year. Thanks for replying guys.

[Q] HDMI Output

Hi everyone,
I am still using the original LG firmware 2.3.5 (I have my screen full of bad pixels, will send it the service, so no custom firmware yet for me). I just brought a HDMI cable today, pluged it into my TV and big dissapointment, what i see is the native 480x800 resolution scaled up to full HD does any know if there is some option to output the youtube full hd videos in actuall full hd ? (i saw the Optimus 2X on youtube, there the phone screen said "displaying on secondary screen" and on the TV it was full hd. Did anyone try the HDMI, any luck, is there any solution here or just this clone display with a choppy scaled up output? Maybe cyanogen or some other custom firmware support/will support this?
Thank you.

mine is in automatic, u can try any option from hdmi settings, last time I checked i just needed to rotate the phone to get a full hd

alankstiyo said:
mine is in automatic, u can try any option from hdmi settings, last time I checked i just needed to rotate the phone to get a full hd
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Thank you for the idea, i allready tried it (automatic, and when the video starts rotated my phone to landscape, then even tried rotating to landscape before the video started ... ), but it's still the same, the video plays on my mobile screen too but that is upscaled to the TV (btw, the TV states at the hdmi info that the input is [email protected] - so the automatic detection works). And i do tried it with a full hd clip from youtube, played the same clip on my computer and of course the quality difference is clear. The same goes for the photos i made with my phone, when scaled up on the TV they look like they ware made by a 0.3 pixel camera, so poor quality with the upscale (and yes, the images are good quality, copied them to my computer and hdmi to the tv and they are excelent). So my dear LG,LG,LG ... what to do with you

LyCC said:
Thank you for the idea, i allready tried it (automatic, and when the video starts rotated my phone to landscape, then even tried rotating to landscape before the video started ... ), but it's still the same, the video plays on my mobile screen too but that is upscaled to the TV (btw, the TV states at the hdmi info that the input is [email protected] - so the automatic detection works). And i do tried it with a full hd clip from youtube, played the same clip on my computer and of course the quality difference is clear. The same goes for the photos i made with my phone, when scaled up on the TV they look like they ware made by a 0.3 pixel camera, so poor quality with the upscale (and yes, the images are good quality, copied them to my computer and hdmi to the tv and they are excelent). So my dear LG,LG,LG ... what to do with you
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Can i ask where u bought this cable hopefully not the chinese crap
only 1 that will work properly (Full HD Quality 2D and 3D Image on 720P) is the original cable. Ebay or similar websites sell the cable search for:
LG DHC-N100
I dont know what country u are from so have a look on ebay.com its 20$ but have a look for your country first could be cheaper!

Magxmushroom said:
Can i ask where u bought this cable hopefully not the chinese crap
only 1 that will work properly (Full HD Quality 2D and 3D Image on 720P) is the original cable. Ebay or similar websites sell the cable search for:
LG DHC-N100
I dont know what country u are from so have a look on ebay.com its 20$ but have a look for your country first could be cheaper!
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from a mobile phone service, and yes, it's LG DHC N100 acording to the label, it was 10 Euro. and like i said, the TV states that the input is [email protected], so in theory it should work.
But may i ask, when you play a youtube clip, the phone displays the clip in it's 480x800px resolution and in parallel the tv displays it in full HD (or the phone doesn't display anything when the TV displays it in full HD)?
Or maybe in the latest 2.3.5 update is not working properly any more?

i think the issue is the vids from youtube, you're not seeing them in 1080 cause of being watched on a mobile device, try to download youtube mate dl a vid in 720 at least and check again in your tv, also have u checked the channel's info ??? does it say 480p/i???
will try to upload one later today

The only way of displaying full hd on your tv is playing videos with the video player.Everything else (youtube app for example) will not be displayed on full dh unfortunately

Hm, reset to defaults seems to solved the problem, and indeed only local content with video player is transmited in hd/full hd, however the quality is not perfect, when i play the same content from my computer compared to the phone's output there is a BIG difference ... i guess this is what the developers from Cyanogen refered to when they sait they have increased the maximum bitrate of the codecs ... what the phone outputs indeed seems like a lowered quality, so hopfully a new rom in the future will some this. LG could really pay a bit more to the developers to make something good, since the hardware in this phone is quite good, it's a shame that a poorly configured rom brings it down ...
Well, that's all folks,
Thank you everyone for your help.

I had same problem (still do), tried an app to set dpi higher to get higher resolution on phone but that just made me have to format it (was unstable). might work with a different firmware or something who knows.
ATM i'm trying to set up like a dual display but i have no idea if that's even possible.
or maybe setting hdmi output to screen resolution to reduce upscaling ugliness.
If anyone has any ideas... including the use of a custom rom...let me know please as being able to stream vids over wifi from tvlinks through my TV (only ones i already legally own ofcourse ) would be wild.
Im on V22A (2.3.5) p920 firmware on p925g hardware

I saw the "dual display" on the youtube for Optimus 2X with Tegra chipset, if you look at the videos, you will see that on the phone display a text with "outputting on secondery monitor" something apears ... i guess we'll see once a Cyanogenmod final release apears for O3D ...

Any In Depth guides on how to use VR with the XZ Premium for 4K Content?

With a 4K display, I wonder why there are only 2 threads asking about VR, (one opened by me) and why there are no guides at all? I mean there are lot of people who would like to buy for VR but don't wanna risk it because there are no proper information.
All i could gather is:
- you have first to change the native resolution of your android to 4K, for APPS.
- MXplayer shows 4K content. (I guess). and so does youtube. But still no one definitely answer is you can watch 4k 3D 360 videos with this device.
- Most apps dont support 4K so forget games in 4K. But no one says if the phone at least support 2k VR.
- Also no much information on which Headset is best compatible with this device.
- It is said everywhere that the LCD Screen response time is not fast enough for VR. Is this the same for videos, or is it just for games? Or is it even as big of a deal as they make it sound?
Aren't there any VR enthusiast who also has purchased a 4K display phone who could maybe clear some questions?
tnx

I can confirm that YouTube, MX Player, VLC and VRTV Player display 4K properly. For more information see my post in another thread.
And I was able to watch this YouTube video in 360° 3D mode with 2160s60 quality without any issue.
Sent from my G8142 using XDA Labs

This is a big factor that's got me interested in the XZP. Give Car's VR player a try. It seems to play videos for me that other VR video apps won't but I'm still on my Le Pro 3 so I can't test 4k myself. It's my go to headset video watching app (I like watching shows and movies this way). If it supports 4k, that'd be amazing!

Can i Watch 4k YouTube video on poco 3x?

good evening,
i wanted to kindly ask you if, with this device, i could see videos in 4k, for example on youtube (i read that on xiaomi mi 10 lite you see videos in 4k, but i am afraid of having ghost touching problem with that model ). as for LIVE VIEW inside GOOGLE MAPS, how does it behave? go jerky?
I await you and thank you very much, it is important

Hi. The 4k option doesn't show up for me. Not that it matters though. 6.6" display at 1080p resolution wouldn't make a difference anyways (except for huge increase in data usage). As for Google Maps live view it seems to be working just fine though to be honest I find it being a useless gimmick. Some old Nokia phones had a similar feature and it was just as useless back then as it is now.
FYI I use Vanced not thr stock YT app so it might be different there.

You can try to to look for Vanced Youtube

Like I said I use Vanced and even if you set 2160p as your preferred resolution there's no visual difference only in the amount of data pulled to play the video. On like a PC monitor or TV you might notice less compression so it might make sense to use a higher resolution than your display can support but on a tiny smartphone screen? Unless you absolutely have a need to burn through your data without any profit I'd say stay away from 4k.

Trying to watch a 4k or even a 2K video on a 1080p screen ? What's the point ?
You can't display more than effective screen pixels...