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[Q] OS Queshtion

I know I am a noob and probably asking a dumb queshtion but is it possible to dump the whole Android os and download W7 or ?
I know with my home computer I assembled all the pieces and then bought the OS. loaded it and walla it worked. can I do the same for the Gtab? unitnstall everything and start freash on a windows platform?

liljohn said:
I know I am a noob and probably asking a dumb queshtion but is it possible to dump the whole Android os and download W7 or ?
I know with my home computer I assembled all the pieces and then bought the OS. loaded it and walla it worked. can I do the same for the Gtab? unitnstall everything and start freash on a windows platform?
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Uh?.. I'm thinking no, the ARMv7 Processor was not designed to run intel based operating systems.

short answer: no
Operating systems require drivers. This is the same reason when you install linux on a computer you have to go searching for those pesky Broadcom drivers so your wireless works. There has been some progress in porting a whole operating system to a device not intended for it (Android on HD2 is the furthest progressed as far as I know), and there are some ROM's/launchers to bring the WP7 experience to Android.
if you're talking about Windows 7 i'd say no way! even with the announcement of Windows 8 running on ARM....

Ok thanks.

Ya if your looking for the layout or widget stylings check out "7 widgets Home Plus", plus one of my coworkers just bought a windows 7 phone and has had 3 viruses in 1 week. I am by no means an anti windows person...just not the best mobile enviroment as they have proved time and time again...

Windows can not run on ARM processors as the code is not made for it. That's why you see x86 and x64 editions of Windows, it only supports those processors.
However, Windows 8 promises ARM support as well as increased tablet usability, but its Microsoft, so who knows.
You don't really need Windows anyways.

WP7.8 apps and WP8

I'm wondering if apps that are on windows store for WP8 if will work on WP7.8 devices or there will be an option for developers to port easily the apps to both version of OS with same source code but with little optimizations?
I try to search something on Google but i didn't find something.

XAP and apx
well . it will NOT work . more likely developers will now have to decide .. program will run on ALL available devices or only on new .
there are 2 formats linked with minimal hardware requirements
1. XAP - Qualcomm S1 800 mghz / 256 ram. it supposed to be like universal
2. APX . qualcomm S4 / 512 ram
windows Phone 7.8 - Supports only XAP
Windows Phone 8 - Supports APX and XAP

I got HTC 7 Mozart: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_7_mozart-3530.php as i can see thee is 512MB+ RAM so ... i hate Microsoft and i will never buy again MS Product.

512 .. and ? it only allows run FULL version of 7.x without any limitation . apparently there is also subclass of applications which require 512 ram for and for example will not work on devices with 256 ( lumia 610 and 510 ) . as well as windows phone 8 / where some applications want 1 gb .
and you forgot about CPU lol :laugh:
phones divided by generations . inside generation ( os version ) phone must run and application . upper generion must run older apps in compability mode with some impovenents . idea similar to consoles like Xbox and playstation ( for example you cant run games from ps3 on ps 2 and 1 ) . why split ? becose developers who want to develop application for android really *****ing bricks . from market fragmentation and diversity . in ms way
1. developer know target hardware and its capabilities .
2. developer know supported api set
API set heavily related to hardware itself . for example DX 9.3 , and some programming sets heavlily related to OS kernel . you may know that windows phone 8 is Windows NT .Not Windows CE 7.1 BASED

mo3ulla said:
512 .. and ? it only allows run FULL version of 7.x without any limitation . apparently there is also subclass of applications which require 512 ram for and for example will not work on devices with 256 ( lumia 610 and 510 ) . as well as windows phone 8 / where some applications want 1 gb .
and you forgot about CPU lol :laugh:
phones divided by generations . inside generation ( os version ) phone must run and application . upper generion must run older apps in compability mode with some impovenents . idea similar to consoles like Xbox and playstation ( for example you cant run games from ps3 on ps 2 and 1 ) . why split ? becose developers who want to develop application for android really *****ing bricks . from market fragmentation and diversity . in ms way
1. developer know target hardware and its capabilities .
2. developer know supported api set
API set heavily related to hardware itself . for example DX 9.3 , and some programming sets heavlily related to OS kernel . you may know that windows phone 8 is Windows NT .Not Windows CE 7.1 BASED
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I feel like they sh1t on us with this, they push the WP7 and now they remove it from market with WP8...
when Apple can upgrade iPhone 3G to iOS6, MS can't upgrade a one to another version of OS

1 . you cant upgrade Iphone 3g to ios 6. only 3gs .
2. Ios6 on 3gs - is pretty same as 5 . nothing new.
3. despite on possobility of implement siri on 4g . they did not
4. there is plenty of apps which require dedicated minimum of Iphone (4 and later ) and not working on any others 3-3gs ) .
same approach as apple implemented by MS .
in 7.8 implemented most of features to keep platform inside Windows Phone ecosistem without any problem ( well as some sort of - low end ( :laugh: . same design . close API and programming functionality .
and Nt kernel a bit huge for low end devices , its not CE with minimal system requirements
if you think that APX will become a REQUIREMENT you are wrong . from developer side . APX more like an option

Gizmo_x said:
I got HTC 7 Mozart: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_7_mozart-3530.php as i can see thee is 512MB+ RAM so ... i hate Microsoft and i will never buy again MS Product.
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it's not just the ram, it's also the chipset your HTC mozart still using 1st gen snapdragon, so it might not be powerful enough to run win 8 apps

as ms supposed
apx intended for
1. HD applications or programs ported from windows RT
2. application with exccessive calculations or graphical requiremens ( premium games )
for rest of applications is still intended - xap

The HTC Mozart is now 2 years old. If it gets WP 7.8 it will still have gotten better/longer support than most android devices. Windows Phone 8 is a huge overhaul of the OS (and it uses a different kernel) so WP 8 apps can not run on WP7.5/7.8 devices, however WP8 has been designed to be backwards compatible so WP8 will run most of the WP7.5/7.8 apps.
I think it is bold to assume that every single developer will instantly abandon the WP7.x platform completely, more likely they will put out one version for each system.
Still, if you'd rather move to android or iOS, no one is stoping you.

Time to say good bye for WP7.8 by MS.

i have an other question but it is related to apps and windows phone 7.8.
Are we gonna have some new SDK coming out for the 7.8 because i see there are some differences, the live tiles which are developed with micrsoft windows phone 7 /7.1 /7.1.1 SDK flip now on 7.10.8858 ROMs just like the wp8 tiles, it is faaaar better, so my question is can we expect something like an 7.8 SDK with some new abilities for the live tiles, like making big live tiles for the 7.8? i would love to have my app have the same visual abilities like the live tiles on wp8. for now they fliping the same way. i hope we get some API with which we can work to make the big one s too and some other transition effects like on th e wp8.

Gizmo_x said:
Time to say good bye for WP7.8 by MS.
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Ok, good bye. Have fun with android or iOS, whatever you prefer.
Dinchy87 said:
i have an other question but it is related to apps and windows phone 7.8.
Are we gonna have some new SDK coming out for the 7.8 because i see there are some differences, the live tiles which are developed with micrsoft windows phone 7 /7.1 /7.1.1 SDK flip now on 7.10.8858 ROMs just like the wp8 tiles, it is faaaar better, so my question is can we expect something like an 7.8 SDK with some new abilities for the live tiles, like making big live tiles for the 7.8? i would love to have my app have the same visual abilities like the live tiles on wp8. for now they fliping the same way. i hope we get some API with which we can work to make the big one s too and some other transition effects like on th e wp8.
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I assume that there will be an addition of wide tiles to the API so probably a small version bump in the SDK. But if we get that for sure only time or MS can tell. Maybe they'll still lock the wide tiles to OEMs, just like they currently do (officially)

I assume that there will be an addition of wide tiles to the API so probably a small version bump in the SDK. But if we get that for sure only time or MS can tell. Maybe they'll still lock the wide tiles to OEMs, just like they currently do (officially)
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if they lock the big tile to OEMs that would be a disappointment to all developers. first the wp8 SDK needs to much resources. i have to buy additional 2GB of RAM, and i need to reinstall my windows 8 to x64. Thats to much for the majority of developers to ask for. So wp8 could also make an slow progress on apps because of that fact. and the last thing about all that is we must pay to develop and spread our apps from which the Windows Phone ecosystem lives! i would set the developer price to $0 for the once which are offering free no ad apps. if you want to add ads to your apps microsoft gets an % share of the earnings, and the third possible situation you want to make paid apps, you pay % of the share of each app selled. so every possible developer would jump on the wp7 wp8 development. but if we pay, like i, and get our apps out, then we get the SDK late, and it uses s o much resources and Microsoft earns on us then this is not ok! They are selling apps as an major feature, and without developers no apps, no live tiles - and no apps means no business. but Microsoft wants that we pay for it to develop no matter how much we are doing for the community.

Gizmo_x said:
Time to say good bye for WP7.8 by MS.
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Actually, this will keep 7.8 and the developers making apps for it, alive.
MS intends to keep 7.8 as the lower to mid-high end of their market, with 8 being the exclusive high end. More people will have 7.8 than 8, therefore, apps are needed more on 7.8 than on 8. This means 7.8 will not die, because both devs and MS need it.
In fact, every app that does not require very precise programming(AKA C++) will be written in the 7.8 sdk.

mcosmin222 said:
Actually, this will keep 7.8 and the developers making apps for it, alive.
MS intends to keep 7.8 as the lower to mid-high end of their market, with 8 being the exclusive high end. More people will have 7.8 than 8, therefore, apps are needed more on 7.8 than on 8. This means 7.8 will not die, because both devs and MS need it.
In fact, every app that does not require very precise programming(AKA C++) will be written in the 7.8 sdk.
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as i know wp8 will have native code execute, what about wp7.8?

mcosmin222 said:
Actually, this will keep 7.8 and the developers making apps for it, alive.
MS intends to keep 7.8 as the lower to mid-high end of their market, with 8 being the exclusive high end. More people will have 7.8 than 8, therefore, apps are needed more on 7.8 than on 8. This means 7.8 will not die, because both devs and MS need it.
In fact, every app that does not require very precise programming(AKA C++) will be written in the 7.8 sdk.
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yeah but to develop for the WP7.8 OS you need the WP8 SDK. windows blog stated this one or two days ago. If you want to use the new features like the biggest live tile you will need wp8 SDK. and therefor plenty developers will say this is bull****, because i think 50% or more of the world wide developers need to upgrade their PCs to run the WP8 SDK. and that gonna be hard for Microsoft. The WP7 system lives from apps, if you dont have developers to develop it, what will happen with WP8???
and if you ask me i wish they make and 7.8 sdk which can run on the same devices like 7.1 SDK. but i think that's not gonna happen, Microsoft want that we buy windows 8 x64 to developer for Windows Phones (7.8 and 8)

Dinchy87 said:
yeah but to develop for the WP7.8 OS you need the WP8 SDK. windows blog stated this one or two days ago. If you want to use the new features like the biggest live tile you will need wp8 SDK. and therefor plenty developers will say this is bull****, because i think 50% or more of the world wide developers need to upgrade their PCs to run the WP8 SDK. and that gonna be hard for Microsoft. The WP7 system lives from apps, if you dont have developers to develop it, what will happen with WP8???
and if you ask me i wish they make and 7.8 sdk which can run on the same devices like 7.1 SDK. but i think that's not gonna happen, Microsoft want that we buy windows 8 x64 to developer for Windows Phones (7.8 and 8)
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Upgrading to win 8x64 costs like 50 bucks....not that much considering you get a lot of sweet stuff.
The bigger problem will be the emulators which require very specific hardware power. But than again, you should have a phone by now.

Gizmo_x said:
as i know wp8 will have native code execute, what about wp7.8?
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officially there is no native code fore 7.x family at all.it just never intended.due limitations of ce7kernel(there is no security for such code at all)
Native code on RT (phone. And windows rt edition).runs in sandbox enviroment .like traditional metro apps (7x).so no kernel mode at all.it suitable only for sharing programming model with desktop version

mo3ulla said:
officially there is no native code fore 7.x family at all.it just never intended.due limitations of ce7kernel(there is no security for such code at all)
Native code on RT (phone. And windows rt edition).runs in sandbox enviroment .like traditional metro apps (7x).so no kernel mode at all.it suitable only for sharing programming model with desktop version
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then Wp7.8 will lose opportunity for Cross platform game engines like Unity3D because they are going to support only Wp8.

mcosmin222 said:
Upgrading to win 8x64 costs like 50 bucks....not that much considering you get a lot of sweet stuff.
The bigger problem will be the emulators which require very specific hardware power. But than again, you should have a phone by now.
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I'm speaking of development for 7.8 Europe and eat Europe, Asia markets will be very good for wp7.8 development. and 7.8 will be tied to the WP8 SDK. and i have already 7.8 and i dont want to develop for wp8 for now. the problem is not in windows 8, the problem is when they told us about the specifications. i already had x86 as they said that. and i dont have 4GB RAM and no CPU with SLAT support. this will be in east Europe about 200-250$ investment! for what? for microsoft that they can live with WP8 and with our apps? They live of our apps they should give us what we need to develop, 7.1 sdk run very well on my pc and i have no problems, and if 7.8 is stil a 7 then why new resource needs and specifications? I think their lazy to make an custom sdk for 7.8 and will just reflection some stuff from wp8. and an reflection uses the wp8 SDK and of course windows 8 and 4gb ram an an CPU with SLAT. so 50% of the worldwide developers must upgrade... half of my friends must upgrade to develop further for Windows Phone 7.8 and that is bull****.

Windows on x86 based android phones?

I was curious about this, if the android smartphones/tabs powered x86 intel processors can be used such that we can install desktop windows or other x86 OSes?

Unlikely as we would need to build drivers for the phone which is rather difficult when the manufacturers like to have things on lockdown most of the time, also it would probably brake some strange contract with Microsoft as most things do. Look at the Surface and Surface RT
Also the UI (Even Metro) would struggle to work on the display adapter
So in short no we can't run Windows on x86 Android phones, yet anyway

Install Android in Windows without Virtual box
I tried this product DuOS which will install Android version Jellybean in Windows 7/8/8.1 platforms. This one is very simple for use comparing with Bluestacks and has good performance for applications. Refer the link for further details and installation check the website for amiduos:good:

Windows 10 on android device (desktop)

I was wondering if it is possible to install a version of windows 10 on an android device, i read that it is not compatible with arm devices, only with intel ones, and i got a tablet with an intel based processor, so i want to install windows 10 on it

You can install it like normal through a USB but touch wont work and other stuff will be broken. In reality its rather pointless unless the device is windows 10 and Android bootable out of the factory (It came that way with windows 10 and android). Feel free to google "Windows 10 install guide on android device/tablet" and plenty of options will come up. Enjoy

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