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Hopefully this is not a trend...
My daughter, who is away at school, received a notice on her phone a couple of weeks back that there was an updated available. She was a bit nervous about doing it so waited until she was home over the weekend a week and a half ago and asked me about it. I told her to go ahead and do it. She hit the button to install the update. It downloaded, displayed an error message and the phone turned off. It wouldn't turn back on. We searched a bit, tried all the known key combinations to reset it, but it was a brick.
So the next day I headed over to the AT&T store. They tried a few things and agreed that it was dead. They checked the phone over and stated there was no physical or water damage. They contacted the warranty center over the phone, arranged for the return and handed me the phone handset to agree to terms. Turns out the only way they would warranty the phone is if I sent them the phone and agreed, in advance, to pay $459 if they decided it was not a warranty issue. I asked for clarification, repeated what had happened, and they just kept saying that was the requirement. I mentioned that the store rep and manager had already checked the phone, that there was no physical or water damage, and tried to understand why I would still have to agree to these terms. I asked if they would just agree to send the phone back if there was any other problem. They just kept repeating the same thing, I had to agree to the $459 potential charge with no recourse. They kept stating that I "would probably not be charged." I would not agree and asked the agent and manager on duty if there were any other options. They mentioned an AT&T service center about a half an hour away.
The store wrote me a referral to the service center and told me they could replace the phone on the spot. So off I went. A half an hour car drive and a wait in line and I was informed by the service center staff that they do not stock the Captivate and it would have to be returned to a warranty center. I said, do it. They said, no, I have to return it and that meant -- you guessed it -- agreeing to the same terms. Needless to say I was a bit frustrated at this point. So a half an hour drive home to cool off... or not.
The following day I started searching and found stories of people getting warranty service through Samsung. Wondering what their warranty terms are, I phoned Samsung's number. After repeating the phone death story, they said it was a warranty issue and emailed me a shipping label to send it back. Happy that things were looking up, I boxed it up and sent it off.
Fast forward a week and I just received a notification from Samsung that the phone is being returned, unrepaired. Here is the verbage used:
"Original Problem:
Technical Inquiry
Power
No Power Up
Problem found:
CORROSION, LIQUID DAMAGE
ABUSE / CORROSION
Solution:
BER
BER (Beyond economical Repair) Comments:
An attempt was made to repair your phone which was liquid damaged. This repair was unsuccessful due to excessive corrosion, or the failure of related components. The factory warranty has been voided."
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I get on the phone with Samsung, inform them the phone has never been wet, that both I and the AT&T folks looked at it and the water indicators showed no exposure. They explained that their service personnel do "a very thorough inspection" and that is their determination. Done. Discussion ensued, but there was absolutely no willingness on their part to take another look at the phone, explain further, or otherwise help.
So I'm out $200 plus a two-year contract or ETF fee with AT&T on a three month old phone. My daughter is quite meticulous with this sort of thing and trustworthy and tells me the phone has not been wet. I believe her. The liquid indicators agree. The phone died during an update that I now see is notorious for bricking phones. Both AT&T and Samsung would rather push it off on a customer than stand behind their product. I've been a Cingular/AT&T customer for over ten years, but apparently that's irrelevant.
So that's my story. Consider yourself warned.
BTW, if anyone figures out how to "unbrick" a phone in this state (won't turn on at all after failed update) I'd love to hear about it as the phone is physically fine.
Should have dealt with wal-mart, I got my captivate from wal-mart and for whatever reason my usb port stated that it was connected all the time. I could not boot my phone without physically plugging in and waiting for the battery charge indicator to come on. If I tried to get into recovery mode it would automatically boot into download mode so this told me that there was an actual physical problem with my usb port somewhere somehow. Took it to wal-mart explained to them what was going on they replaced it on the spot no questions.
That's odd. Happened to me too and att store exchanged it right away. Did you purchase it from att or a retailer? If from att, call cs, they will replace it. If you didn't buy from att, you are stuck with samsung...
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You get 1-year warranty from AT&T, not Samsung. And the terms you mentioned are normal terms for warranty exchange. Typically, they mail you the replacement, a refurb, with mailing labels and instructions for you to mail back your old phone. Track the mail and make sure your phone arrived at AT&T facility and you're done. If the phone is lost in the mail or you failed to mail it back in time, you will be charged by that amount.
Nothing special. That's how warranty exchange works all the time. Many here has made exchanges couple times.
qwertyaas said:
That's odd. Happened to me too and att store exchanged it right away. Did you purchase it from att or a retailer? If from att, call cs, they will replace it. If you didn't buy from att, you are stuck with samsung...
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Yes. Purchased at AT&T retail store. Returned there with the problem. They would not replace it at the store. Their terms were that I had to agree to potential $459 charge with no recourse if they determined that it was not a warranty issue before they would issue an RMA. Spoke with CS on a telephone while in the store. The store employees had already checked the phone for damage and found none.
foxbat121 said:
You get 1-year warranty from AT&T, not Samsung. And the terms you mentioned are normal terms for warranty exchange. Typically, they mail you the replacement, a refurb, with mailing labels and instructions for you to mail back your old phone. Track the mail and make sure your phone arrived at AT&T facility and you're done. If the phone is lost in the mail or you failed to mail it back in time, you will be charged by that amount.
Nothing special. That's how warranty exchange works all the time. Many here has made exchanges couple times.
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I've never been asked to agree to the replacement price of a new item before they even looked at the inoperable one. A reasonable bench charge, sure, but that they will just charge me for a new one if they so decide with no further notice. I don't think so. And I was returning the phone first, there was to be no cross shipment. Those terms are why I turned to Samsung as the manufacturer and based on their warranty which you can find here: http://www.samsung.com/us/support/s...d_mdl_cd=SGH-I897ZKAATT&prd_mdl_name=SGH-I897
a golden rule to buying from ATT just so you will know. Always buy the 4.50 a month insurance they add it to your bill and you hardley even notice the difference...that way if there is an updat to the phone and you try it and it bricks you phone you can get it replaced for about 50.00 through there insurance dept.
stewart2568, Thanks for the suggestion. I don't think I'll be buying any more phones from AT&T, though.
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a golden rule to buying from ATT just so you will know. Always buy the 4.50 a month insurance they add it to your bill and you hardley even notice the difference...that way if there is an updat to the phone and you try it and it bricks you phone you can get it replaced for about 50.00 through there insurance dept.
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Actually the replacement fee with AT&T insurance on the Captivate is $ 125.00.
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I've never been asked to agree to the replacement price of a new item before they even looked at the inoperable one. A reasonable bench charge, sure, but that they will just charge me for a new one if they so decide with no further notice. I don't think so. And I was returning the phone first, there was to be no cross shipment. Those terms are why I turned to Samsung as the manufacturer and based on their warranty which you can find here: http://www.samsung.com/us/support/s...d_mdl_cd=SGH-I897ZKAATT&prd_mdl_name=SGH-I897
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It pains me to say it but AT&T warranty department is much better than Samsung warranty department. You're just simply mis-understood the terms. A lot of ppl here on the board get their replacement just I described above.There is no cross shipping. They ship to you first, then you mail your back. Of course you have to agree to certain payment in case you never mailed yours back. And they always insist on inspect the phone for water damage before finally grant you warranty. That's just normal practice of buziness. You certainly have the option to ask the phone back instead of pay the $500 charge if they deny your warranty.
So far I didn't see any evidence that AT&T denied your warranty. You're just in a panic mode. Dealing with inpetent Samsung support doesn't help much. FYI, the phone you bought is AT&T branded which means AT&T take care of all the support and services. You can talk to Samsung all you want, you will just get run around like already have.
This is like how Samsung wanted to charge me for their product failure. It was just a month after I got my Captivate and one of the volume rocker buttons got stuck. I called Samsung to have it fixed, and they said it was "physical" damage. The guy said he could transfer me so I could find out how much it would cost, but that he needed to take my credit card first... WHY would customer service take your credit card number BEFORE they told you the cost??
Anyways, it caused me to open the phone up myself just to fix the button, instead of Samsung having my credit card number before I knew what I'd be paying them.
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It pains me to say it but AT&T warranty department is much better than Samsung warranty department. You're just simply mis-understood the terms. A lot of ppl here on the board get their replacement just I described above.There is no cross shipping. They ship to you first, then you mail your back. Of course you have to agree to certain payment in case you never mailed yours back. And they always insist on inspect the phone for water damage before finally grant you warranty. That's just normal practice of buziness. You certainly have the option to ask the phone back instead of pay the $500 charge if they deny your warranty.
So far I didn't see any evidence that AT&T denied your warranty. You're just in a panic mode. Dealing with inpetent Samsung support doesn't help much. FYI, the phone you bought is AT&T branded which means AT&T take care of all the support and services. You can talk to Samsung all you want, you will just get run around like already have.
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I asked for clarification on the terms, explained them back as I understood them, and the phone representative confirmed that I had to agree to the charge if they determined it was not a warranty issue. I specifically asked about the option of them just returning the phone instead of charging me for a new one and two different individuals, one on the phone and one in the service center, told me that they could not modify the terms in that way. Interestingly, I asked the phone rep for a copy of the terms in writing, as I was dumbfounded by her reading of them, and she refused to provide me a copy saying she did not have the capability to do so. (huh?!)
I have to disagree about panic mode. I am irritated, but have basically written off my loss at this point. You are right that AT&T did not deny the warranty, as I wouldn't agree to the terms up front to even get to that point. The phone is clearly branded by both AT&T and Samsung. Samsung didn't give me much run around, just went through their process and gave me the response "The factory warranty has been voided." Nice. Once I get the phone back, I will be doing a tear down to see if I can find any evidence of water damage or corrosion. I know that the indicators showed none before the phone was shipped to Samsung and from my discussion with them apparently still didn't when they had it.
I really only posted here so that others could be made aware. If these sorts of problems are common, perhaps something can be done. I've asked both AT&T and Samsung reps for further recourse and have been offered none. So in my case, I'm at a dead end. I'm moving on, checking on my ETF and considering my options regarding a new phone or a new carrier.
Im really sorry to hear you were treated so unfairly. Im an AT&T rep for Radioshack, and I know a few tricks for anyone who has this problem or any other unjust hardware exchange problems.
First, like that other guy posted, shop at Sams Wal Mart or Radioshack for cheaper prices, no mail ins and painless exchange policies.
Second, if you still can't get an exchange, call customer service and chose option 4. (Cancel service) This ofcourse is a bluff. Tell them that they can help you or your family is going yo Verizon. This is how I got them to exchange my Tilt I bricked for 80$ instead of 450$.
Third, If you go to the right Radioshack, they will ship it, straight to Samsung free of charge. Most stores don't know how but all have the ability. Just tell them to ship under NARDA.
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Hopefully this is not a trend...
My daughter, who is away at school, received a notice on her phone a couple of weeks back that there was an updated available. She was a bit nervous about doing it so waited until she was home over the weekend a week and a half ago and asked me about it. I told her to go ahead and do it. She hit the button to install the update. It downloaded, displayed an error message and the phone turned off. It wouldn't turn back on. We searched a bit, tried all the known key combinations to reset it, but it was a brick.
So the next day I headed over to the AT&T store. They tried a few things and agreed that it was dead. They checked the phone over and stated there was no physical or water damage. They contacted the warranty center over the phone, arranged for the return and handed me the phone handset to agree to terms. Turns out the only way they would warranty the phone is if I sent them the phone and agreed, in advance, to pay $459 if they decided it was not a warranty issue. I asked for clarification, repeated what had happened, and they just kept saying that was the requirement. I mentioned that the store rep and manager had already checked the phone, that there was no physical or water damage, and tried to understand why I would still have to agree to these terms. I asked if they would just agree to send the phone back if there was any other problem. They just kept repeating the same thing, I had to agree to the $459 potential charge with no recourse. They kept stating that I "would probably not be charged." I would not agree and asked the agent and manager on duty if there were any other options. They mentioned an AT&T service center about a half an hour away.
The store wrote me a referral to the service center and told me they could replace the phone on the spot. So off I went. A half an hour car drive and a wait in line and I was informed by the service center staff that they do not stock the Captivate and it would have to be returned to a warranty center. I said, do it. They said, no, I have to return it and that meant -- you guessed it -- agreeing to the same terms. Needless to say I was a bit frustrated at this point. So a half an hour drive home to cool off... or not.
The following day I started searching and found stories of people getting warranty service through Samsung. Wondering what their warranty terms are, I phoned Samsung's number. After repeating the phone death story, they said it was a warranty issue and emailed me a shipping label to send it back. Happy that things were looking up, I boxed it up and sent it off.
Fast forward a week and I just received a notification from Samsung that the phone is being returned, unrepaired. Here is the verbage used:
I get on the phone with Samsung, inform them the phone has never been wet, that both I and the AT&T folks looked at it and the water indicators showed no exposure. They explained that their service personnel do "a very thorough inspection" and that is their determination. Done. Discussion ensued, but there was absolutely no willingness on their part to take another look at the phone, explain further, or otherwise help.
So I'm out $200 plus a two-year contract or ETF fee with AT&T on a three month old phone. My daughter is quite meticulous with this sort of thing and trustworthy and tells me the phone has not been wet. I believe her. The liquid indicators agree. The phone died during an update that I now see is notorious for bricking phones. Both AT&T and Samsung would rather push it off on a customer than stand behind their product. I've been a Cingular/AT&T customer for over ten years, but apparently that's irrelevant.
So that's my story. Consider yourself warned.
BTW, if anyone figures out how to "unbrick" a phone in this state (won't turn on at all after failed update) I'd love to hear about it as the phone is physically fine.
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Assuming that the phones hardware is is working condition you should first try to put the phone in download mode. To do this first hold down BOTH volume keys simtulaniously and plug in the usb coard to the charging jack on the phone while it is attached to a computer. If you see a yellow man holding a shovel with yellow writing saying download you can recover this device. If you get this far post here and we can show you how to reinstall the ROM.
Best of luck
Samsung was right... AT&T warranty terms still ridiculous
Samsung was right and has my sincere apology. I got the phone back from Samsung service and disassembled it. It looks like liquid got into the USB port. It appears to have been a very small amount, perhaps a single drop. There is some corrosion internally on the connector between the back of the port and the PCB. That is the only damage I see, but it would have been enough to short the connection. There was no indication of water elsewhere in the phone.
I am still dumbfounded by AT&T's warranty policy. I have spoken with two more individuals at AT&T about the policy and they stand firm. You must agree to a full charge replacement of the device before they will even determine if it is under warranty or not. If they determine it's under warranty, all is well. If not, you pay for a new device, whether you want one or not. :-(
Anyway, sorry Samsung. A few more details about what you found would have been nice, but you're still OK with me. I have nothing nice to say to you, AT&T.
Oh, and keep that little door over the port closed when you can... it could save your phone.
Still sounds fishy to me. You had a working phone before the update, so why is the cause of the failure water damage. Was your daughter doing the update outside in the rain?
I deal with AT&T all day, on a day to day basis. They are pain as many of you already know. You might want to try this, if you have a Facebook account, become a fan of their page and then post up your experience/situation for everyone to see. It might just put some heat on them. Hopefully, a competent Rep could help with a resolution. Just a suggestion.
I actually prefer AT&Ts warranty as opposed to using a manufacturer. At least they send you the replacement phone first so you are not out a phone for at least a week.
I remember sending my Xperia X1 into SE, it took 3 weeks and when I finally heard back from them they they informed me my phone had liquid damage. Similar story: they sent pictures of the corrosion back with my old phone and there was a tiny spec of rust.
rajendra82 said:
Still sounds fishy to me. You had a working phone before the update, so why is the cause of the failure water damage. Was your daughter doing the update outside in the rain?
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As odd as it sounds the voltage level could of fluctuated up high enough to cause the short and fry the port among other things.
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It appears to have been a very small amount, perhaps a single drop. There is some corrosion internally on the connector between the back of the port and the PCB. That is the only damage I see, but it would have been enough to short the connection. There was no indication of water elsewhere in the phone.
Oh, and keep that little door over the port closed when you can... it could save your phone.
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I had the same problem as another poster, with the toilet incident.. except the water wasn't so clean *cough*
Anyway, I have the same recommendation.
KEEP YOUR CHARGING PORT SHUT WHEN NOT IN USE!
I'm positive it would have saved my phone from water damage for the tenth of a second it took me to ninja snatch it from submersion. Same situation; none of the litmus papers (water damage indicators) were red.
The only additional advise i can give is to buy the third-party insurance that AT&T offers at some locations at the time of purchase (or know someone that will sign you up for it afterwards). It covers water damage it's $5.99/month and the deductible is $75 for smartphones.
Oh and don't bother with the Mobile Locate service AT&T offers..Theft Aware does that and way more, AND it's like $6 ONCE!
EDIT: yea i thought about that too. It seems kinda strange that it only went berserk during the update. Maybe a wire in the phone only gets used when doing something like an update and when it had voltage applied to it..it fried
Due to unresolved billing issues with T-Mobile and now to add injury to insult, the dang phone fell 2.5ft while i was getting out of the car...and guess what?
Gorilla glass is not all it's cracked up to be (pun intended)
Im thinking this is a final sign that i need to bail ship and move onwards.
What is an otherwise perfectly working stock G2X running GB worth?
Do you have the insurance on the phone? It covers drops.
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Nope, no ins. Never broke a phone before...normally pretty careful dude so didnt think it was necessary. I was really really surprised, especially how bad it shattered from a short fall.
Isnt there like a $50 deductable for that anyway? the Screen's + Digi go for less on ebay.
How about this one?
It doesn not say it has the digitizer is what's stopping me from pulling the trigger right now.
any opinion on this??
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LCD-Display...042?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c05e642a
I was under the impression that the two terms; touchscreen and digitizer could be used interchangably. I may be wrong though. That item would work in my mind but I would see what other members had to say.
Well nevermind the idea of a sale or value for the phone. It is worth nothing according to LG.
I sent the phone in for repair and it was returned today. I asked why nobody contacted me and was told becuase they had received the phone physically damaged and it was unrepairable. I asked for a photo but the one they sent was pretty small and shows really nothing plus i am not sure what im supposed to be looking for anyway.
So are they sending you a new one or just keeping yours?
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I posted here today prior to receiving my phone back from repair. I was posting trying to figure out what my options were going to be in advance of things.
I was not expecting to receive the phone back as i had not been notified, no calls or anything from stellar/LG...
Surprised to see teh fedex man with a package for me...it was my phone...broke.
So no, They are not sending me a new one. I am bummed. I have a nice fancy broken g2x that stellar/LG deems unrepairable!
Hendge said:
I posted here today prior to receiving my phone back from repair. I was posting trying to figure out what my options were going to be in advance of things.
I was not expecting to receive the phone back as i had not been notified, no calls or anything from stellar/LG...
Surprised to see teh fedex man with a package for me...it was my phone...broke.
So no, They are not sending me a new one. I am bummed. I have a nice fancy broken g2x that stellar/LG deems unrepairable!
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Your G2X is not unrepairable.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-1207651.html
There is plenty of information on the internet about repairing it including videos on You Tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDUPPzbQKTI
Here's where to purchase parts http://www.repairsuniverse.com/lg-g2x-p999-screen-replacement-repair-parts.html
http://www.cell-phoneparts.com/lg-tmobile-g2x-touch-screen-digitizer-replacement-p999-p-623.html
http://www.globaldirectparts.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=p999
There are other sources of parts too.
People make this mistake all the time. Hardness and strength are not interchangable. Gorilla glass is hard, great for scratch resistance but terrible for shatter resistance.
Basic metallurgy. Applies to metals too.
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Gorilla glass is not all it's cracked up to be (pun intended)
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Corememory - I just received the phone back from it's authorized repair center and they say the phone was sent back to me "as is" because they do not replace phones, only repair...and mine in non repairable.
I will post the pic they sent if you still dispute it's fixable and undertstand circuit board repair or whatever the issue is.
TerryM - yes.My mistake as well as many others too. Also surprsing is in the reference thread posted it was also noted by another poster the extremely short fall it took to break.
Possibly the 'Gorilla Glass' is a worse alternative after all...more susceptble to shattering than Non gorilla or standard display glass.
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Well nevermind the idea of a sale or value for the phone. It is worth nothing according to LG.
I sent the phone in for repair and it was returned today. I asked why nobody contacted me and was told becuase they had received the phone physically damaged and it was unrepairable. I asked for a photo but the one they sent was pretty small and shows really nothing plus i am not sure what im supposed to be looking for anyway.
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LG (and pretty much every other manufacturer) covers repairs for manufacturing defects. They have no responsibility to repair a phone that was broken otherwise, and there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to expect LG to do so.
Being as you didn't purchase insurance, that means you get to find someone to fix it for you, or fix it yourself. It isn't that difficult or expensive.
TL;DR: You broke your phone. You don't have insurance. Fix it.
Ummm...thanks i know it's tough luck and am aware of SOP's for getting my situation str8. What i am NOT getting is prior to sending it in i read on here as well as other sites the costs and procedures involved. So why then are two members directing me to repair on my own or find someone, if the actual USA LG auth repair facility is saying it's non??
I do not want to spend anymore time or money. I would just assume move on to the next phone and carrier. Screw t-mobile. The phone was great aside from the fragility.
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Ummm...thanks i know it's tough luck and am aware of SOP's for getting my situation str8. What i am NOT getting is prior to sending it in i read on here as well as other sites the costs and procedures involved. So why then are two members directing me to repair on my own or find someone, if the actual USA LG auth repair facility is saying it's non??
I do not want to spend anymore time or money. I would just assume move on to the next phone and carrier. Screw t-mobile. The phone was great aside from the fragility.
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If all that was broken is the screen, it isn't by any means unrepairable (no matter what LG's authorized repair facility says), but you would need to check it out for yourself in order to find out the extent of the damage, unless you already know. Without pictures or details of what is damaged, we can't exactly tell you if it is fixable or not. The way it was worded sounded a bit like you attempted to get a warranty repair rather than something you would have had to pay for.
The thing is throughout the thread your attitude towards T-Mobile and LG already shows more than a little animosity and it colors how we read your posts as a whole, or at least how I read it. I don't know what your issue with them is exactly, and I don't want to. You flat out say you don't want to spend any more time or money on this problem, so...Hope you know that moving to another phone and carrier is going to cost you (either you pay for the phone up front or you pay for it in your contract, dearly, and in the US there aren't any better deals than Sprint or T-Mobile). Either way, without more details there isn't much we can tell you.
Also, this phone isn't any more 'fragile' than any other thin slab of glass attached to metal and plastic that is less than an inch thick.
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Screw t-mobile. The phone was great aside from the fragility.
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Ummmm. This phone is no more fragile than the next. I actually stood on my phone and ground it into limestone rocks. I ended up with just a couple of scratches. It isn't unbreakable, but there is no issue that makes it more fragile than any other phone. It isn't T-Mobile's fault that 1) you didn't buy insurance and 2) glass can be broken.
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JaiaV said:
If all that was broken is the screen, it isn't by any means unrepairable (no matter what LG's authorized repair facility says), but you would need to check it out for yourself in order to find out the extent of the damage, unless you already know. Without pictures or details of what is damaged, we can't exactly tell you if it is fixable or not. The way it was worded sounded a bit like you attempted to get a warranty repair rather than something you would have had to pay for.
The thing is throughout the thread your attitude towards T-Mobile and LG already shows more than a little animosity and it colors how we read your posts as a whole, or at least how I read it. I don't know what your issue with them is exactly, and I don't want to. You flat out say you don't want to spend any more time or money on this problem, so...Hope you know that moving to another phone and carrier is going to cost you (either you pay for the phone up front or you pay for it in your contract, dearly, and in the US there aren't any better deals than Sprint or T-Mobile). Either way, without more details there isn't much we can tell you.
Also, this phone isn't any more 'fragile' than any other thin slab of glass attached to metal and plastic that is less than an inch thick.
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Not sure what exactly you are reading into...ive stated that the phone was dropped and was surprised the repair facility intimated their inability to repair.
Maybe i exagerrated when i mentioned i am normally careful. I am, but sheet happens and i have dropped other phones w/out damage. My first smartphone was the mytouch3g, it was dropped a few times from greater distances with only a few nicks and a crack in the casing. All i have is my own experience to draw from, and in this case the other thread posted where another member also complained about a short fall and the resulting damage. In my experience the phone is fragile due to completely shattering from a small fall!
I understand your lack of interest in my issues with T-Mobile. So all i can do is say: BEWARE
What i would REALLY like is info/help on determining if this phone is fixable. I assume i can go to simple mobile and buy a SIM or would anyone possibly l know if i quit on a contract with T-Mobile and could care less what they do to my credit, can i get on one of their pre-paid plans via wal-mart or something?
So, should i post the photo they sent me, take the phone apart and look for something?? how to save myself from ordering a display/digitizer and coming to the same conclusion as stellar?
lotherius said:
Ummmm. This phone is no more fragile than the next. I actually stood on my phone and ground it into limestone rocks. I ended up with just a couple of scratches. It isn't unbreakable, but there is no issue that makes it more fragile than any other phone. It isn't T-Mobile's fault that 1) you didn't buy insurance and 2) glass can be broken.
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In this case, and my experience dropping other phones, you are proven incorrect - hopefully you'll never have to deal firsthand.
I know and said nothing about this being T-Mobiles fault. I have posted on here in the past some detail so no need to go into it. All i can say is WATCHOUT FOR THEM. Be very careful and cautious if ever doing any business with them. TRUST ME please and save yourself the frustration.
as for insurance, just a risk i take. I would prefer no auto/home any kind whatsoever. That's just me, foolish or not i'd rather not pay monthly. Most insurances will look for any way not to pay. I only purchase required insurance.
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In this case, and my experience dropping other phones, you are proven incorrect - hopefully you'll never have to deal firsthand.
I know and said nothing about this being T-Mobiles fault. I have posted on here in the past some detail so no need to go into it. All i can say is WATCHOUT FOR THEM. Be very careful and cautious if ever doing any business with them. TRUST ME please and save yourself the frustration.
as for insurance, just a risk i take. I would prefer no auto/home any kind whatsoever. That's just me, foolish or not i'd rather not pay monthly. Most insurances will look for any way not to pay. I only purchase required insurance.
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After reading your other threads and going over the things you ask about (like getting a Simple Mobile SIM and putting it in the phone to 'fix' the screen, wanting to know how to get out of your contract, complaining that LG and T-Mobile won't just magically replace your $15-20 battery at your whim) it sounds like all you want is out of a contract you signed with no repercussions, or ETF. You give absolutely no details, pictures, proof of correspondence with LG's repair facility, or any necessary information required to help you figure out just how damaged your phone is. You state you have read about and even checked prices on how to fix your screen.
I want to help you, but you don't seem to want help. All you seem to want is a way out of your contract and an easy way to chum up with another carrier without spending any money. Sorry, but you won't find help for that here.
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After reading your other threads and going over the things you ask about (like getting a Simple Mobile SIM and putting it in the phone to 'fix' the screen, wanting to know how to get out of your contract, complaining that LG and T-Mobile won't just magically replace your $15-20 battery at your whim) it sounds like all you want is out of a contract you signed with no repercussions, or ETF. You give absolutely no details, pictures, proof of correspondence with LG's repair facility, or any necessary information required to help you figure out just how damaged your phone is. You state you have read about and even checked prices on how to fix your screen.
I want to help you, but you don't seem to want help. All you seem to want is a way out of your contract and an easy way to chum up with another carrier without spending any money. Sorry, but you won't find help for that here.
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Hey, you seem to want to draw your own conclusions, nitpick and challenge whne i have no interest in any of that. Tell ya what, i was under impression you were trying to help. If so, check the pic stellar sent me today that i have attached and comment if you have any expertise on the subject.
If not, have a great night and myob next time
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In this case, and my experience dropping other phones, you are proven incorrect - hopefully you'll never have to deal firsthand.
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Actually. If you read what I wrote, I mentioned that I dropped my phone onto onto limestone gravel and then proceeded to STAND ON IT. And I weigh 260 lb. Screen scratched but unbroken. Does that prove it is unbreakable? Nope. In any single incident all kinds of things are possible. I used to work for tmo, I know this firsthand. You'd be surprised, even with those old "indestructible" Nokias, how many people dropped their phones a "couple of feet" onto the carpet and ended up with something broke. It happens. Shut up and deal with it like a man.
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Dropped my HOX in the toilet 2 days ago. Let it dry out and it worked fine. Plugged it into a faulty car charger today like an idiot, and it fried my phone. Wouldn't charge, wouldn't turn on.
So I removed the red liquid damage sticker by the SIM card, took it to an ATT Device Center and they gave me a warranty exchange. The rep never asked me about water damage or drops and never even LOOKED for the sticker. He also never mentioned the disclaimer about how if it had physical/liquid damage then I would get charged.
I know when you do an exchange over the phone, the rep is required to have you agree to pay if they find physical/liquid damage. But at the warranty center today it was not even mentioned.
Am I in the clear? I can't see how they could back charge me when these terms were not even explained to me.
You're screwed
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You're screwed
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You know this for sure? How can I be held liable if they didn't explain the terms of exchange?
roscoejackson said:
You know this for sure? How can I be held liable if they didn't explain the terms of exchange?
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They refurbish these things. They'll look inside at the service center and see corrosion/damage and trace it back to you. I can understand doing a warranty exchange for a permabrick (because service centers can fix those with JTAGs), but doing one for a physically damaged device is pretty grimey. That aside, you didn't ask for personal judgement.
TL;DR: I'd say you might be screwed.
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You know this for sure? How can I be held liable if they didn't explain the terms of exchange?
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They don't have to explain those terms, I do believe its in your contract. Or elsewhere, regardless its implied
You knew what you did. Removing the sticker. Plus how does a faulty car charger fry the phone? Maybe if it was still wet when you charged it
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They don't have to explain those terms, I do believe its in your contract. Or elsewhere, regardless its implied
You knew what you did. Removing the sticker. Plus how does a faulty car charger fry the phone? Maybe if it was still wet when you charged it
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This.
It was dumb of you to plug it in after it fell in the toilet. You should have turned it off immediately, pried it open from between the screen and body, dried the obviously wet parts, and let it sit in a bowl of rice for days.
Again, the damage would be apparent as soon as they crack open the device in the service center. They'll open it up to see what went wrong, that's a fact.
You will be charged on your bill. I am a RSM for AT&T and we see this all the time. Even though the individual at the service center didn't look for water damage it will be found once the phone is stripped and refurbished. There will be corrosion inside and the internal LDI's will show red.
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roscoejackson said:
Am I in the clear? I can't see how they could back charge me when these terms were not even explained to me.
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The terms are in your contract somewhere. And if they find that you took out the damage sticker, and they feel there was an attempt to defraud, they might even terminate your contract and hit you with an ETF.
Damn
Sucks to be you! Damn.
I think my odds are a little better than this.
If the terms are "in my contract somewhere" then why are the reps spoken to over the phone required to get you to agree to the physical/liquid damage disclaimer? Just a courtesy? I think not.
Regarding the "RSM" in here, I've learned that 90% of the time an AT&T employee knows less than my retarded uncle.
Did you come in this thread asking for advice, and then when you didn't like what people had to say, you started raging?
The answer is this: there is a chance they may not charge you. However, when the tech opens the phone to check for water damage (which i'm sure they do on 100% of warranty claims), they will see the water damage, and they *MAY* charge you for the replacement cost of the phone. Period.
The tech in the store won't open one, but speaking as someone who was a tech for both Sprint and Verizon, I'm telling you that if they're told it's not physical damage, when it gets to their repair center, they'll run tests to see what it is. They don't just throw out phones, especially if they're told it's not physical damage. They refurbish them and resell them. They will open it up eventually. I used to do it in store, but they'd also check in a repair center when we sent it out. We literally had a drawer full of envelopes with replacement phones for each customer (like prescriptions in a pharmacy) and another drawer where they'd go out. The store will get charged if they get lazy and say it's not physical and later it turns out to be physically damaged. They'll probably call you back to speak to you.
You came here asking a question. There's your answer. I'm not going to get into morals and ethics, but you should have added insurance and then waited and paid the deductible. It probably would be cheaper than if they find out and charge you.
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roscoejackson said:
If the terms are "in my contract somewhere" then why are the reps spoken to over the phone required to get you to agree to the physical/liquid damage disclaimer? Just a courtesy? I think not.
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What are you going to do if AT&T adds a replacement fee onto your bill? Not pay it and watch them cut off your service?
In before the lock! :laugh:
My device was submerged in salt water (incident at the beach - don't ask what my phone was doing at the beach). I opened up the phone and bleached the water markers, they turned back to white. My phone also had damage to the housing near the charging port. I called and said I was having problems yadda yadda, they gave me the whole thing asking if it was water damaged I said no. Got a replacement device and have been fine.
It has been 5 months no charge etc.
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My device was submerged in salt water (incident at the beach - don't ask what my phone was doing at the beach). I opened up the phone and bleached the water markers, they turned back to white. My phone also had damage to the housing near the charging port. I called and said I was having problems yadda yadda, they gave me the whole thing asking if it was water damaged I said no. Got a replacement device and have been fine.
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That's definitely something to brag about.
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That's definitely something to brag about.
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I am not bragging - I got lucky, but the OP asked a question and I was letting him know what happened to me in a similar situation.
If you don't get in trouble, the store that you screwed most definitely will get charged for the device. Whether or not that store comes after you is up to them.
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If you don't get in trouble, the store that you screwed most definitely will get charged for the device. Whether or not that store comes after you is up to them.
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I fully understand that HTC will discover the LDI. My question was based on them being able to charge me even though they never explained those terms to me.
As far as ethics, I have little concern when it comes to large corporations who only care about their bottom line profit figures. When dealing with them, I too only care about my bottom line.
I'd change my name and move to another country if I was you.
Just unlocked and rooted my N5 last week, and sure enough, just my luck, my power button jammed into the pushed in position. It's completely screwed. Took it apart, and the button itself broke loose, while still being jammed in the on position, so the phone just loops.
Any suggestions for getting the phone back to stock while this is happening? I'm curious if Google is going to try and deny my warranty claim because of the unlock/root.
Google won't deny warranty for root. They will deny it for opening it up though
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Google won't deny warranty for root. They will deny it for opening it up though
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you opened the phone, so you would have to pay the repair costs.
why does everyone think they can get warranty replacements when they screw it up even more by opening the device?
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Google won't deny warranty for root. They will deny it for opening it up though
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How will they be able to tell? That's rather silly, seeing is it's just a snappable cover.
Zepius said:
you opened the phone, so you would have to pay the repair costs.
why does everyone think they can get warranty replacements when they screw it up even more by opening the device?
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Screw it up even more... yeah, alright. You clearly know so much about my technical abilities.
According to the warranty terms:
"It’s best to replace the battery when it no longer provides acceptable performance. It can be recharged hundreds of times before it needs replacing."
This would of course require you to remove the battery cover. Therefore, I can't see any possible way removing the battery cover would void my warranty.
Furthermore, this is also in the warranty terms:
"Owner’s Record
The model number, regulatory number, and serial number are located on a nameplate inside the battery compartment. Record the serial number in the space provided below. This will be helpful if you need to contact us about your phone in the future.
Model:
Serial No.:"
There's no possible way taking the battery cover off voids my warranty. Sorry, but you're wrong.
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How will they be able to tell? That's rather silly, seeing is it's just a snappable cover.
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Once you remove the back cover all you got to do is remove a few screws to access the motherboard. I bet you will say Google shouldn't deny you warranty for removing a few screws? LOL
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According to the warranty terms:
"It’s best to replace the battery when it no longer provides acceptable performance. It can be recharged hundreds of times before it needs replacing."
This would of course require you to remove the battery cover. Therefore, I can't see any possible way removing the battery cover would void my warranty.
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Yes. It holds true as long as it's done by a LG personnel or a Google technician. How can you possibly think that doing this by yourself wouldn't void the warranty?
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Once you remove the back cover all you got to do is remove a few screws to access the motherboard. I bet you will say Google shouldn't deny you warranty for removing a few screws? LOL
Yes. It holds true as long as it's done by a LG personnel or a Google technician. How can you possibly think that doing this by yourself wouldn't void the warranty?
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Yeah, sorry, but you're wrong. Multiple times in the warranty information, it indicates you are not voiding the warranty by removing the battery cover. In fact, I'm going to contact Google directly and ask them about this. I'll be sure to cap the conversation and post here shortly.
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Yeah, sorry, but you're wrong. Multiple times in the warranty information, it indicates you are not voiding the warranty by removing the battery cover. In fact, I'm going to contact Google directly and ask them about this. I'll be sure to cap the conversation and post here shortly.
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May be the rules regarding warranty differ in your country. The warranty card which came along with my device doesn't mention any of the stuff you quoted in your previous posts.
Care to share the source please??
Pretty straight forward question - my wife and I are looking to upgrade to S5's this evening. My usual MO is to bring the device home and root it right away. Before Knox, this wasn't an issue.
We always got TEP before, and I'd like to do the same. However if they won't honor it because knox gets tripped, it's kind of pointless to pay for. So what is everyone's opinion? Does tripping knox make TEP a waste?
Has anyone ever tried to replace a phone via TEP that had Knox counters tripped?
If my phone is ever busted, do I just have to make sure it's really REALLY busted before taking it in?
I don't think so. I had an S 2 that one store said was water damaged and refused to replace or repair under warranty. Told me to make a claim. I wound up not having to do so, but asurion sends you a refurb before you send in your old phone. They make refurbs out of the trade ins, so they just want the hardware.
No. Just last weekend I took in my s5 it had bad pixels. Knox was tripped. They replaced the device.
Not only did BestBuy LOOK at my phone.....
Members of the Geek Squad were familiar with Rompnit's MOAR Rom. Then, they played with my phone for several minutes to look at the goodies he put. One guy didn't understand why SAMMY wouldn't just put all the goodies in the phone to begin with.
If you FRY your phone, good luck explaining that.
If you just have an issue, they know dang well we are rooting our phones.
I have Assurion AND the Best Buy Protection. If something happens, SOMEbody is replacing my phone.