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Samsung Beta Nougat Performance Open Thread

Because someone has to do it. Mods feel free to delete if it ends up being unnecessary.

My first opinion is that it is an improvement over the firmware the S7e came with, but is still missing simple features that the Note7 had built into the UI.

ShrekOpher said:
My first opinion is that it is an improvement over the firmware the S7e came with, but is still missing simple features that the Note7 had built into the UI.
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Agreed. I imagine those will be included in official since this has to replace the Note 7.

Honestly, I'm impressed for this to be a beta release. While not totally lag free, some areas are smoother on this beta than in the official MM firmware. Lots of new features

geor9iaboy said:
Honestly, I'm impressed for this to be a beta release. While not totally lag free, some areas are smoother on this beta than in the official MM firmware. Lots of new features
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This UI is nicer than TW. It's like a true bargain between AOSP and Samsung in a lot of ways.

Every game that lagged screams on this build.

The Root said:
Every game that lagged screams on this build.
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Have you tried dolphin emulator?
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Omar1c said:
Have you tried dolphin emulator?
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Play store games, in this case.

The Root said:
This UI is nicer than TW. It's like a true bargain between AOSP and Samsung in a lot of ways.
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Did it get the camera app from the note 7? And if so, is there a difference in picture quality?

yes, it has Note 7 camera app in this build but cant compare the pic quality cuz im not pic guys.

scoobrel said:
Did it get the camera app from the note 7? And if so, is there a difference in picture quality?
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Its a completely new UI is the camera. It is similar to the Note 7, but it is different too. Its not the exact same. It does load WAY faster though and the shutter speed is super fast. Overall a great addition to the firmware.
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If anyone wants me to screen shot anything specific so they can see the features let me know. There are a tons of changes and if you never saw the Note 7 UI it might be nice to see them.
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Just found another new feature that is pretty awesome. You can adjust the DPI of the firmware in the developer settings. It is standard at 360, but I changed it to 450 (%25 increase) and now it looks WAY better. Nice feature for one of the things I use to always want root for.

Ok so first here is the screen shot of the adjusted dpi

Here is all of the screens from the camera app

Shared this on the other thread...
In Dev Options, force write to ext and multi window

samatagana said:
Shared this on the other thread...
In Dev Options, force write to ext and multi window
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Does that mean apps won't write data back to internal when they update?

The Root said:
Does that mean apps won't write data back to internal when they update?
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No

Battery usage is decent

ShrekOpher said:
Here is all of the screens from the camera app
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Looks to be the same as the Note 7.
Question - Is Secure Folder included?

dkb218 said:
Looks to be the same as the Note 7.
Question - Is Secure Folder included?
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No but that could be added in any a later point they do state there may be features in the final release not in this one.

LIVE: New Camera update - Play Store

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.essential.klik
Changelog
Speed up color/mono image fusion.
Fix 360 video saving.
General stability fixes.

Oh, cool. Those of you with the phone, be sure to test it thoroughly. The camera is the main thing keeping me from getting the phone.

Not super impressed. Maybe more speed stability improvements instead of quality. Here are two shots, no flash, same exact spot. One is with the Google camera and one is the Essential camera. See if you can guess which is which.
EDIT: Just to add that I'm at least happy to see updates coming. It's only been a week and we have another update. And I'm still eager to see what this NMI64C build is that I keep seeing reference to.

Update didn't do much
Fix your shutter Lag and Post Processing Software already!!

It's a step in the right direction. Definitely improved the stability and processing time but not enough for me to switch back from the gcam
Edit: also noticed non HDR pictures seem to be coming out better using the stock app vs gcam (stock left, gcam right)

Well can this update be done manually? It say not available in ur country for me

varun.gid said:
Well can this update be done manually? It say not available in ur country for me
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https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/essen...-release/camera-0-1-061-android-apk-download/
I think this is the latest version.

Wonder why this is on the play store, and wasn't pushed out in an OTA update ?

flakko86 said:
It's a step in the right direction. Definitely improved the stability and processing time but not enough for me to switch back from the gcam
Edit: also noticed non HDR pictures seem to be coming out better using the stock app vs gcam (stock left, gcam right)
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I agree 100%
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going_home said:
Wonder why this is on the play store, and wasn't pushed out in an OTA update ?
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They can't figure it out

going_home said:
Wonder why this is on the play store, and wasn't pushed out in an OTA update ?
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It's faster and easier to push a single app update thru G play than a OTA file. OTA files are always released in stages some might get it tonight and the rest another day- gplay everyone get's it within hours.

Disable logd [Speed improvement]

So last night I had to reinstall one of my H918s. I usually just debloat / customize my own ROM, but I have started using Alpha ROM by @i95swervin. Even then, I have a zip that I flash that makes some tweaks that I like, and that saves me time.
Well I was in a hurry, and didn't have quick access to my zip, so I used the phone with a "stock" Alpha ROM.
Wow .. talk about sluggish. I can see why some people have complained.
This morning I decided to try and figure out why, and noticed that logd was enabled. When you root and debloat, you get a massive amount of errors that are logged. If you run adb logcat you will see the massive stream that starts scrolling down your screen.
Unfortunately, disabling logd causes SafetyNet to fail.
For me the performance is worth it. If you don't care about it, you can disable logd by:
* Boot to TWRP
* Mount system
* Use file manager to navigate to /system/bin
* Rename logd to logd.bak
There is a "proper" way to disable it by changing init scripts, but this is by far the easiest.
If you need to pass SafetyNet, or if you need logging again, just rename it back.
-- Brian

Good tip. You may also have noticed my follow up post in the "Is it still worth buying this phone in 2018" thread. In my case, I discovered that a good part of the sluggishness I had reported was being caused by Magisk in i95swervin's ROM. Once I got rid of it, the ROM immediately started to perform so much better. Between disabling logd, removing Magisk and turning Window, Transition and Animator scales to "off", the phone finally feels premium again.

I don't experience any of this on pure stock ROM.
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@BROKEN1981 If you are talking about a stock non-rooted ROM, the logging isn't an issue. Even a stock ROM that is rooted and not debloated doesn't have the issue if you disable rctd. This becomes an issue when you start debloating a lot of crap.
-- Brian

runningnak3d said:
@BROKEN1981 If you are talking about a stock non-rooted ROM, the logging isn't an issue. Even a stock ROM that is rooted and not debloated doesn't have the issue if you disable rctd. This becomes an issue when you start debloating a lot of crap.
-- Brian
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Ahh ok. Only things I deleted out of system was Lookout and a few Google apps. That's probably why I never noticed anything. Also have RCTD disabled.
Right now I'm looking into deleting a few LG apps like LG bridge, switch, account and backup.
Thanks for the heads up on the logd file. I might end up having to rename like you suggested.
Sent from my LG-H918 using XDA Labs

The quick and dirty way to tell if you might be getting performance issues is to run adb logcat while the phone is booted into the OS.
If you are getting a few log entries every couple of seconds, or even a couple of log entries every second, then no, it isn't really going to help.
However, if you are getting pages of log entries every second (as in scrolling by so fast you can't read it), then yea, it is killing your NAND performance -- not to mention killing your NAND since they only have so many read / write cycles.
-- Brian

Anyway to do this without causing issues with SafetyNet? I have a couple of apps I like to use and google pay.

I am researching that now. It looks like older versions of Magisk will work without logd, but I don't have time to test right now.
-- Brian

runningnak3d said:
I am researching that now. It looks like older versions of Magisk will work without logd, but I don't have time to test right now.
-- Brian
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Ok Thank you. Please keep us up to date.

Will it increase Also battery life?

IF it is writing a lot of logs, yes. Just disabling it if you aren't getting a stream of logs isn't going to do anything.
-- Brian

I totally understand. I hope you didn't think I was given ya sh*t
You may want to consider adding it as an option explaining that (for now) SafetyNet will be broken if they disable it.
-- Brian

runningnak3d said:
IF it is writing a lot of logs, yes. Just disabling it if you aren't getting a stream of logs isn't going to do anything.
-- Brian
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i was thinking while reading the thread, if you move the file from /system/bin/ to sdcard/documents.,, that wouldn't trip safety net would it? your technically not your touching(modding) your system .. sorta speak.

Was there any progress with magisk and getting safety net working with this disabled?

bountyman334 said:
i was thinking while reading the thread, if you move the file from /system/bin/ to sdcard/documents.,, that wouldn't trip safety net would it? your technically not your touching(modding) your system .. sorta speak.
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I was able to seemingly get it to pass SafetyNet by replacing the logd binary with an empty file via a Magisk module. The issue is if you enable MagiskHide with logd disabled it kills performance. Because of this Magisk auto disables MagiskHide on startup if it detects logd is missing.
So it's actually possible that SafetyNet would pass even if you just delete the file normally and re enable MagiskHide, I haven't tested that, but again not recommended because of the performance issue.
This thread is relevant: https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/disable-logd-t3726561

Im Running RR6.1 on my H918ARB1 and it is so smooth comparaed to stock roms that going back feels like installing a beta. There is something definitely wrong with LG. I just leaved RR on it. I have a Gcam that works and the battery is surprisingly very good. There is still no wifi calling or Volte but those are compromises im willing to live with for the sake of better performace and battery life. And best of all is That I have not experienced any throttle when hot. when lineage goes official and RR follows it is better to be AOSP.

carlosjcar said:
Im Running RR6.1 on my H918ARB1 and it is so smooth comparaed to stock roms that going back feels like installing a beta. There is something definitely wrong with LG. I just leaved RR on it. I have a Gcam that works and the battery is surprisingly very good. There is still no wifi calling or Volte but those are compromises im willing to live with for the sake of better performace and battery life. And best of all is That I have not experienced any throttle when hot. when lineage goes official and RR follows it is better to be AOSP.
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OK fan boy wave that flag, keep preaching that half baked, missing features os
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cnjax said:
OK fan boy wave that flag, keep preaching that half baked, missing features os
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That is exactly the point, Some missing features yes, but we are talking 8.1 vs. 7.0 WITHOUT Support from lg. No thermal throttling and smoothness and speed. Heck yes I'm a fan of that.
And I surely hope you are not talking about my PR flag, because if you are a racist you should have no part in this community.

carlosjcar said:
That is exactly the point, Some missing features yes, but we are talking 8.1 vs. 7.0 WITHOUT Support from lg. No thermal throttling and smoothness and speed. Heck yes I'm a fan of that.
And I surely hope you are not talking about my PR flag, because if you are a racist you should have no part in this community.
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There wasn't any reference to race in my post, my phone is super fast and smooth on stock as well and all the v20 features work flawlessly where as on Los stuff doesn't work and you have to jump through hoops, dl additional apps to get basic functionality. But I digress this isn't a los thread, and your post was off topic to begin with.
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carlosjcar said:
That is exactly the point, Some missing features yes, but we are talking 8.1 vs. 7.0 WITHOUT Support from lg. No thermal throttling and smoothness and speed. Heck yes I'm a fan of that.
And I surely hope you are not talking about my PR flag, because if you are a racist you should have no part in this community.
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Can you even list the differences between 7.0 and 8.0? To my knowledge there is really nothing different.
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carlosjcar said:
That is exactly the point, Some missing features yes, but we are talking 8.1 vs. 7.0 WITHOUT Support from lg. No thermal throttling and smoothness and speed. Heck yes I'm a fan of that.
And I surely hope you are not talking about my PR flag, because if you are a racist you should have no part in this community.
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Also he was talking about you preaching about RR. That's the reference to waving the flag.
Get a clue brah.
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cnjax said:
OK fan boy wave that flag, keep preaching that half baked, missing features os
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Agreed!!!!!!!
I replaced the thermal paste and have no throttling whatsoever. No lagging and it feels butter smooth.
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LuneOS on the Mi A1

Hi everyone,
Another heads up with respect to a Mi A1 project -- one which will be of special interest to the webOS refugees among us.
The LuneOS project has just announced that the Mi A1 is their new target device. You can read all about it over at PivotCE: https://pivotce.com/2018/11/28/luneos-november-stable-release-doppio/
The LuneOS project is an effort to create an open-source webOS distribution for smartphones (and possibly other devices). It has recently received a major helping hand from LG, which has open sourced a lot of new webOS code developed for their smart TVs. That being said, LuneOS is not suitable for everyday use. There's a lot left to do and the project is run entirely by a group of volunteers who don't do timelines. So don't ask them when it will be ready!
What I really love about this decision is that they were looking for an inexpensive development device to replace the Nexus 4. That's exactly why I bought my Mi A1 -- and I think it's shaping up to be next in the line of great development targets, like the HTC HD2 and the Nexus 4. I couldn't be happier about that.

Yep, very interesting os
But can u give me link for the install tutorial
Coz i saw only for nexus phones, not for our

rapitfly said:
Yep, very interesting os
But can u give me link for the install tutorial
Coz i saw only for nexus phones, not for our
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Yeah, they haven't posted the instructions on the wiki yet. But Herrie posted a set of basic steps over on webOS Nation: https://forums.webosnation.com/lune...vember-stable-release-doppio.html#post3454659

Omineca said:
Yeah, they haven't posted the instructions on the wiki yet. But Herrie posted a set of basic steps over on webOS Nation: https://forums.webosnation.com/lune...vember-stable-release-doppio.html#post3454659
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Aww, ye
Last evening i was trying to flash like this tutorial, but i used as base Pie and Oreo

Not working, black screen
Will wait

rapitfly said:
Not working, black screen
Will wait
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Have you had any success yet? Oh, and nice to see a new face at webOS Nation. That's a rare thing these days!

Omineca said:
Have you had any success yet? Oh, and nice to see a new face at webOS Nation. That's a rare thing these days!
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Maybe this is was trouble in 3.2.3 twrp, trying now with 3.1.1
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Booted for now~~
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Works:
Wifi
Bluetooth
System not crashing
All smooth as far as I tested
Bugs:
RIL
Calls
Keyboard
Camera
Maybe more
bad that RIL and calls not working

rapitfly said:
Works:
Wifi
Bluetooth
System not crashing
All smooth as far as I tested
Bugs:
RIL
Calls
Keyboard
Camera
Maybe more
bad that RIL and calls not working
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Bad? It's a project in development. As I mentioned, it's not suitable for everyday use and there's still a lot to do.
But the RIL and calling not working is a regression. Both used to work on the Nexus 4. The regression is likely the result of adopting a new device and the recent work to integrate with the Halium project. That's just me speculating, though.
Thanks for providing the test results. I'm looking forward to giving it a go and seeing what does and doesn't work at this point (and which of the old webOS apps I can install, etc.).

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Bad? It's a project in development. As I mentioned, it's not suitable for everyday use and there's still a lot to do.
But the RIL and calling not working is a regression. Both used to work on the Nexus 4. The regression is likely the result of adopting a new device and the recent work to integrate with the Halium project. That's just me speculating, though.
Thanks for providing the test results. I'm looking forward to giving it a go and seeing what does and doesn't work at this point (and which of the old webOS apps I can install, etc.).
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yep, i think we need some roms like web os and sailfish to port, because android is good, but any other os is better
just for new experience

Installation
Hello,
I would like to test LuneOS on my Mi A1 but don't succeed in installing it.
Which stock ROM (7.1.2, there are quite a few) do I have to flash, and where can I obtain a working TWRP bootable with this stock rom?
I'm somehow not able to boot suggested TWRP image with latest 7.1.2 stock rom, maybe you could provide some links?
By the way: Is latest stable update >>stable<< enough to make phone calls and access LTE internet already?
Thank you in advance!

Android Q preview for Pixel?

I hope you'll have read this tweet
https://twitter.com/MishaalRahman/status/1104977146081169409?s=19
Android Q is near, Do you guys think we Pixel users will be getting Android Q Preview?

Doesn't seem likely but never know, I hope so, but even if it doesn't happen officially I'm still pretty sure we'll see custom Q roms
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Looks like the first beta is up! We are in!

Installed and running fine ... Pretty sweet we're in but with a 3 yo phone I just hope that it doesn't slow down too bad

Xalies said:
Installed and running fine ... Pretty sweet we're in but with a 3 yo phone I just hope that it doesn't slow down too bad
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Couldn't resist trying it out. So far running great. Too soon to make any real conclusions at this point though. If it isn't as good as pie at least we can always go back
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Did you have to wipe user data after you enrolled for the preview?? Or is it just like an ota update leaving user data.

odlay75 said:
Did you have to wipe user data after you enrolled for the preview?? Or is it just like an ota update leaving user data.
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it just installed like an OTA, no wipe

is it a daily driver?
Guys do let us know if it is a daily driver or not. I really wanna try this out.
And list bugs you encounter here also please

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Did you have to wipe user data after you enrolled for the preview?? Or is it just like an ota update leaving user data.
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It's like an Ota... But I wiped anyways and it states that if you opt out of the beta program you'll need to wipe to go back. If you stay in until the beta program ends though it'll just Ota you to the official without needing a wipe
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Impressions so far:
- scrolling is noticably smoother, whether it's web pages or news content on the glauncher.
- battery seems to be better than Pie. The standby is definitely better, but I should note that I used a battery recalibration app right after updating (for the first time).
- the device seems to stay cooler under normal load. For whatever reason, it got hot doing some basic things in Pie and the battery life drained quickly.
- no bugs so far, all of my apps still work from what I can tell. Surprisingly stable for a first preview.

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Impressions so far:
- scrolling is noticably smoother, whether it's web pages or news content on the glauncher.
- battery seems to be better than Pie. The standby is definitely better, but I should note that I used a battery recalibration app right after updating (for the first time).
- the device seems to stay cooler under normal load. For whatever reason, it got hot doing some basic things in Pie and the battery life drained quickly.
- no bugs so far, all of my apps still work from what I can tell. Surprisingly stable for a first preview.
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I agree, so far its working very well, no problems for me, I used OTA

Works fine, but when i tap on last button in settings "tips and support" app crashes. System-wide "dark" theme is not dark but pure black. Thi is annoying for my eyes, dark grey is much better for me.

Chase mobile app crashes after a couple min. Can anyone confirm the same?
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joywork said:
Works fine, but when i tap on last button in settings "tips and support" app crashes. System-wide "dark" theme is not dark but pure black. Thi is annoying for my eyes, dark grey is much better for me.
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Where is the system wide dark theme?
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Where is the system wide dark theme?
Enable: adb shell settings put secure ui_night_mode 2
Disable: adb shell settings put secure ui_night_mode 1
For now toggle is missing

May be 3 for gray ?

Dark mode is not worth yet. Cant use Google photos. And maybe few other apps which are not discovered yet .
Try battery saver dark mode and check if you can live with google photos (side menu, etc)
If you can then go for it.
Otherwise not even a single crash yet on android Q beta q. Its a good experience so far.
Can be used as Daily driver.

New gestures are pretty laggy for me.

Mi band 3 does not reconnect

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New gestures are pretty laggy for me.
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It's been quite buggy for me, there are times when I open some apps and the system freezes completely, but I've seen some users don't complain at all , is it my device model or something...?

Ezro_nightmare said:
It's been quite buggy for me, there are times when I open some apps and the system freezes completely, but I've seen some users don't complain at all , is it my device model or something...?
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No not your device..., It freezes sometimes like once in a day but see its just a beta 1 i tend to ignore that 1 time a day thing.
And if you think its too buggy then try a clean flash or formatting your device once. It helps.