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I find it hard to believe that this is a completely irreversible process. There MUST be a way to reset this counter, especially since it's entirely possible for there to be false positives. I can imagine sometime in the future an official update will be released that has a chance of blowing the fuse, even if applied correctly through Kies or OTA. How would they resolve that issue?
I figure that Samsung must have a way of resetting these false positives whether it's through replacing a specific chip or through flashing firmware. It really wouldn't make sense for them economically to not have a way of doing it. What would the alternative be? Trash it and make a new one? Samsung would be sued by their shareholders if this was the case.
Logic would dictate it would be more cost effective for it to be a firmware setting, possibly encrypted and extremely low level with some form of obfuscation so they can release fixes for accidental trips without having to send a recall notice.
As a side note, does anyone else feel violated by Samsung because of Knox? The fact they literally boobytrapped their devices with Knox to flag unlocked bootloaders under the guise of "enterprise security" is absolutely disgusting and pathetic. They should have released versions without Knox for the general consumers.
You can use the phone perfectly wok and without knox. Knox is a separate thing to just using the phone. It's a secure container holding secure information for people who want to user it.
Knox is something that most people will not use
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You can use the phone perfectly wok and without knox. Knox is a separate thing to just using the phone. It's a secure container holding secure information for people who want to user it.
Knox is something that most people will not use
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I understand most people won't use the feature, but the fact remains that there are some that will for whatever reason and if the fuse is triggered for reasons that they didn't cause, they are SOL.
The other side is warrenty. It's stated if knox is triggered, they won't honor the warranty, even if it's unrooted.
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I understand most people won't use the feature, but the fact remains that there are some that will for whatever reason and if the fuse is triggered for reasons that they didn't cause, they are SOL.
The other side is warrenty. It's stated if knox is triggered, they won't honor the warranty, even if it's unrooted.
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There is no way to trip knox unless you run a custom recovery / kernel.
Other attempts like vroot or kingoapp and whatnot are blocked and knox is not triggered.
All Samsung firmwares are recognised by knox as stock and no there won't be a firmware that will trigger it, they're not that stupid to do it.
So yeah It's an effective solution to protect the information inside the knox container from potential attacks, you root the device by gaining unauthorised root privileges and the container get's completely disabled with all of it's data.
And the Samsung Knox website does mention a fuse.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/about-cf-auto-root
"Once the e-fuse bit is burned, a Samsung KNOX-enabled device can no longer create a KNOX Container, or access the data previously stored in an existing KNOX Container. "
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There is no way to trip knox unless you run a custom recovery / kernel.
Other attempts like vroot or kingoapp and whatnot are blocked and knox is not triggered.
All Samsung firmwares are recognised by knox as stock and no there won't be a firmware that will trigger it, they're not that stupid to do it.
So yeah It's an effective solution to protect the information inside the knox container from potential attacks, you root the device by gaining unauthorised root privileges and the container get's completely disabled with all of it's data.
And the Samsung Knox website does mention a fuse.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/about-cf-auto-root
"Once the e-fuse bit is burned, a Samsung KNOX-enabled device can no longer create a KNOX Container, or access the data previously stored in an existing KNOX Container. "
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I am 90% sure that someone on XDA tripped knox with a stock firmware. On phone so can't search well.
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I am 90% sure that someone on XDA tripped knox with a stock firmware. On phone so can't search well.
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I remember that there was one case on S4 in the very initial stages of knox implementation. Never heard of this scenario any more after that and never saw any for note 3.
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There is no way to trip knox unless you run a custom recovery / kernel.
Other attempts like vroot or kingoapp and whatnot are blocked and knox is not triggered.
All Samsung firmwares are recognised by knox as stock and no there won't be a firmware that will trigger it, they're not that stupid to do it.
So yeah It's an effective solution to protect the information inside the knox container from potential attacks, you root the device by gaining unauthorised root privileges and the container get's completely disabled with all of it's data.
And the Samsung Knox website does mention a fuse.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/about-cf-auto-root
"Once the e-fuse bit is burned, a Samsung KNOX-enabled device can no longer create a KNOX Container, or access the data previously stored in an existing KNOX Container. "
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Actually, my knox was tripped flashing stock firmware - trying to go back from MJ? Firmware to MI7.... It wouldn't flash cos it won't allow you to go back so I tried the many different method suggested like deleting the modem file within the stock firmware etc.... and then suddenly knox was 0x1.
It sorted me out cos then I didn't have to carry on pussyfooting around and just do what I was supposed to. .. Flash and customise my phone the way I wanted to. So all good in the end. ?
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Actually, my knox was tripped flashing stock firmware - trying to go back from MJ? Firmware to MI7.... It wouldn't flash cos it won't allow you to go back so I tried the many different method suggested like deleting the modem file within the stock firmware etc.... and then suddenly knox was 0x1.
It sorted me out cos then I didn't have to carry on pussyfooting around and just do what I was supposed to. .. Flash and customise my phone the way I wanted to. So all good in the end. ?
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Downgrading bootloader will trip knox. It is not allowed as you are going from a secured bootloader back to one with a loophole. Normal users will never encounter this as you cannot downgrade rom with the official kies.
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Actually, my knox was tripped flashing stock firmware - trying to go back from MJ? Firmware to MI7.... It wouldn't flash cos it won't allow you to go back so I tried the many different method suggested like deleting the modem file within the stock firmware etc.... and then suddenly knox was 0x1.
It sorted me out cos then I didn't have to carry on pussyfooting around and just do what I was supposed to. .. Flash and customise my phone the way I wanted to. So all good in the end. ?
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as antt said, downgrading to a vulnerable firmware is also not allowed, and knox will trip if you flash it after a new secure update.
You can of course customise everything you want and do whatever, but just don't expect to have Knox anymore, and don't expect warranty.
In reality even before knox everyone knew that every root method warned about losing your warranty immediately, but people cheated and reset counters.
Now you are agreeing to the same disclaimers and you just have to live with it.
If you ever had to protect data that badly, KNOX makes perfect sense.
Sometimes people have sensitive data on their phones (we're not talking about pictures of your ****.) that needs a killswitch. If someone steals your phone, roots it, they can access the data. With KNOX, they can't. For some of us, that's relevant. (No, I'm not getting a blackberry.)
No, I don't feel 'violated by samsung'. Ever had a look at a game console, TV, fridge or any other electronic device? Hell, a car even has the principle of 'mess with the engine and we won't pay for the damage you do.'
Everything has a sticker on the side: "If this sticker is broken, warranty is void". EXACT SAME THING. Nobody complained about that for the last 25 years. This is really nothing new. Welcome to reality.
KNOX can probably be reset as Samsung can do it (We've seen it), but once the switch is triggered, the data is gone.
I feel violated! I've spent £500 on a device that by the fact it's Android, is supposed to be customisable - that's sort of the mantra of Android, isn't it?
The fact that I can only disable a few of the Samsung bloatware apps annoys the hell out of me.
If I buy a PC, I can uninstall whatever I wish, so why can't I do that on my phone? Because Samsung don't allow it as they are in the system area of the device. I wouldn't need to root in the first place if I was allowed to choose which software I want to use.
Not all of us want to screw around with the frequencies of their processor, graphics, ram etc.
KNOX is nothing more than a convenient excuse by way of 'security' for Samsung to kill two birds with one stone.
It will be hacked eventually...what is made by a human can be reversed by another, mark my words
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I feel violated! I've spent £500 on a device that by the fact it's Android, is supposed to be customisable - that's sort of the mantra of Android, isn't it?
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You can still customize whatever you want - except selected cases (AT&T and Verizon? - where we know it is an explicit request of the carrier) the bootloader configuration will still let you install a custom recovery and custom kernel and custom ROM. And that is still very, very rare among all the non-Nexus and non-developer-edition phones in the world. That is also pretty unheard of in phones outside the Android ecosystem.
Don't get me wrong, the Knox stuff is still pissing me off a little - but on the other hand given the large amount of Samsung phones that I have seen bricked by morons I can't say that I do not understand how Samsung would like to separate things a little.
Knox is not a big deal. You can still do what you want with the phone and make the appearance and performance to suit the individual. Warranty. .... Either the phone goes wrong in the early days or it stays the long haul. ..I still have 2 galaxy s and an s2 and note 1 all working and rooted and running custom rom and kennels and no problems at all.
Worst case scenario. ..I have insurance. ..
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I have a Note 3 with a funny screen (bent under the glass, hard to explain) but i am afraid to take it back under warranty, because the replacement unit will surely come with rom version mj7 or higher which reportedly has half the battery life of my current mj1, plus it's not possible to root without tripping knox.
Now, if downgrade was allowed, it would be a totally different case, I would not hesitate to claim warranty on this hardware problem.
I can live with the funny looking screen (only noticeable when the screen is turned off), I decided I will wait with the warranty claim until knox reset, or downgrade without knox tripping becomes possible, or a new firmware with at least as good battery life as mj1 comes out...
Battery life is extremely important to me, and I just love to be able to keep all features of the phone enabled (voice wake, quick glance, all location based google now features, location history, lte, nfc, etc etc) and still get over 5-6 hours of screen on time and a full 16-17 hour stand by.
It is so perfect now I am afraid to risk it, not being able to downgrade legally really limits my willingness to ever upgrade
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As a side note, does anyone else feel violated by Samsung because of Knox? The fact they literally boobytrapped their devices with Knox to flag unlocked bootloaders under the guise of "enterprise security" is absolutely disgusting and pathetic. They should have released versions without Knox for the general consumers.
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i don't feel violated or cheated nor am i pissed at samsung.....they are not stopping you doing what you want with the phone what they are doing is telling you that if you mess with it then the secure area is fubar .....they are not saying the phone is only the secure area .........and with earlier phones the warning was the same root and your warranty is gone.......
....as for the warranty in the eu we are covered as samsung has to prove that rooting the phone has caused the hardware to fail a blanket your warranty is void won't work....eg my phone is knox 0x1 and the home button falls out .....that is not caused by rooting it is a fault and will be covered by the warranty no matter the state of knox
i am happy with the note 3 ...sure there are people complaining of this and that but that will always be the case my phone does what i want it to do when i want it to so i have no problems
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If you ever had to protect data that badly, KNOX makes perfect sense.
Sometimes people have sensitive data on their phones (we're not talking about pictures of your ****.) that needs a killswitch. If someone steals your phone, roots it, they can access the data. With KNOX, they can't. For some of us, that's relevant. (No, I'm not getting a blackberry.)
No, I don't feel 'violated by samsung'. Ever had a look at a game console, TV, fridge or any other electronic device? Hell, a car even has the principle of 'mess with the engine and we won't pay for the damage you do.'
Everything has a sticker on the side: "If this sticker is broken, warranty is void". EXACT SAME THING. Nobody complained about that for the last 25 years. This is really nothing new. Welcome to reality.
KNOX can probably be reset as Samsung can do it (We've seen it), but once the switch is triggered, the data is gone.
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That kind of data protection is achieved with encryption. Good reliable security solutions are open sourced, no need to use some black box, providing Samsung and their partners access to your data.
So to repeat, encrypt phone with stock android encryption, and it is ok. No it is not 100% secure, but nothing is, neither knox.
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I doubt that is the case, I just got note 3 a few days ago and it's mj7 and I'm getting savage battery life even though it has only been through3 charge cycles, over 18 hours of standby and 4 1/2 hours of on-screen time and I still had 40% on the battery
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I have a Note 3 with a funny screen (bent under the glass, hard to explain) but i am afraid to take it back under warranty, because the replacement unit will surely come with rom version mj7 or higher which reportedly has half the battery life of my current mj1, plus it's not possible to root without tripping knox.
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Wanted to start a thread to celebrate 0x1. So many people worry about tripping the flag. So I would like to hear why you decided you didnt care any more. Was it a certain ROM that made you jump? Speed enhancements? Or just a general "Screw you Samsung" feeling? Let me know and lets show people that 0x1 is not the end of the world!!
*edit* it IS the end of your warrenty as my friend below me just stated. Guess that should be stated. Lol
*edit 2* In light of another post....i did not know some countries actually do not look at knox. So i will add to these questions....does the knox flag even matter in your country?
Definitely not the end of the world. More like the end of your phone's official warranty.
My reason was just overall disgust for big corp telling me what I can and cannot do with my $800 phone. That was my orginal reason. Secondly was I love having a new device anytime i feel like it.
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Definitely not the end of the world. More like the end of your phone's official warranty.
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But I know personally that it is kind of a 50/50 on trade ins if they will dig that deep. If you re-flash everything back to dead stock you do stand a good chance of pushing it through you carriers grasp. I know with t-mobile atleast
It's actually just the loss of Knox. The area that your phone was able to create to store a secure container housing work email or private apps and documents. Tripping Knox Warranty means your phone can't use Knox anymore.
Samsung did not create that flag for their warranty purposes on the phone (although it could be used for such things). It was created to alert the IT department at your job that you can't house important info on your phone anymore. Knox's warranty was void.
On the Note 4, if you trip Knox, you have to do some other stuff afterwards in order to stop severe lag (that is caused by tripping Knox) and to use private mode again.
Again, this is not something Samsung put on here to screw us, Knox actually has a purpose and place in protecting important information. I wish it was reset able though although I understand why it isn't.
Having a secure container like that on your phone has attracted military as well as many companies in the private sector to buy and approve use of Samsung phones in the workplace.
YouTube Knox 2.0 if you've never actually used Knox and are curious as to what your phone now can't do. If you didn't know what it was, then you probably won't care and will be happy with custom kernels and recoveries (the two things that trip Knox).
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It's actually just the loss of Knox. The area that your phone was able to create to store a secure container housing work email or private apps and documents. Tripping Knox Warranty means your phone can't use Knox anymore.
Samsung did not create that flag for their warranty purposes on the phone (although it could be used for such things). It was created to alert the IT department at your job that you can't house important info on your phone anymore. Knox's warranty was void.
On the Note 4, if you trip Knox, you have to do some other stuff afterwards in order to stop severe lag (that is caused by tripping Knox) and to use private mode again.
Again, this is not something Samsung put on here to screw us, Knox actually has a purpose and place in protecting important information. I wish it was reset able though although I understand why it isn't.
Having a secure container like that on your phone has attracted military as well as many companies in the private sector to buy and approve use of Samsung phones in the workplace.
YouTube Knox 2.0 if you've never actually used Knox and are curious as to what your phone now can't do. If you didn't know what it was, then you probably won't care and will be happy with custom kernels and recoveries (the two things that trip Knox).
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You are correct friend. I guess I kinda was not specific. By Screw Samsung I mean they use it. Yes Knox is a big deal if you are in a business that demands that flag be secure. However Samsung encorperates it, carriers use it against us, so I say SCREW them both.....lol. But I like you description and thank you for contributing it here friend.
Well over here they are not allowed to deney us waranty on hardware when only the software has changged.
So yeah 0x1 over here...
I don't want to conform to the standard phone layout. As im not a sheep I want my phone to be unique. And now for most people it does look like it is.
HanZie82 said:
Well over here they are not allowed to deney us waranty on hardware when only the software has changged.
So yeah 0x1 over here...
I don't want to conform to the standard phone layout. As im not a sheep I want my phone to be unique. And now for most people it does look like it is.
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So where is it your from? Thats awsome they cant deny you. And i agree, i have to be different. I dont like being told that my phone has to be what they say. Android is free kind of like the freedom of being able to going out side the palace but having to stay within the walls of the grounds. No thanks. Im climbing those walls.
I'm stuck with 0x0 no matter what it seems I do. Damn Canadian bootloaders..... LOL!
Why I didn't care, ever? This is probably my 28th phone (if I had kept the counting right) and only thrice in my life I had to visit service centre. And twice because of my own fcuk up.
Second reason, I can still get it serviced, but for a small amount of course.
So why people care about warranty that much is a questionable thing to me, no offence.
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Well over here they are not allowed to deney us waranty on hardware when only the software has changged.
So yeah 0x1 over here...
I don't want to conform to the standard phone layout. As im not a sheep I want my phone to be unique. And now for most people it does look like it is.
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Same here, 2 year warranty cannot be denied here either.
0x1 straight out of the box. Got this phone since it's release date. Never looked back.
Been living life with security flags being tripped for almost 3 years. First HTC then Samsung it's a way of life now.
I see the benefits of keeping knox at 0x0. You're guaranteed repair if you're in your warranty (repair in warranty with knox at 0x1 is basically a lottery) and, for the most part, you're not missing a lot these days. Most custom stock roms support stock kernels and can be installed with Mobile Odin Pro, meaning no loss of knox. And with Towelroot and MOP root injection, you can root without losing knox too. The only roms you can't use are non-stock AOSP/CM builds. But I've never really understood why anyone with a Note device would bother with these anyway as you're losing the primary advantage these things offer over standard phones, namely the S-Pen. Sure, you can keep some features with certain applications, but things likes Smart Select will never be available.
However, despite all the above, I deliberately tripped my knox because I missed full Nandroid backups and restores. I like testing roms. And changing them for me was a pain in the arse. I like trying a rom, but going back to how my phone was EXACTLY before I flashed it if I don't like it much. Nandroid is the only way of doing that in a decent time frame, and it requires a custom recovery like TWRP and CWM.
It just don't matter
I went in to my carrier and showed them my phone. I had bricked it softly. So, the manager played with til he had gotten the download screen. In the mean time they had made arrangements if I could not get working they were going to hook me up with a new phone. They asked me why I was doing it and I told them I didn't like the bloatware. Yes, it already had the 0x1. Yes, I live in the US. No it just didn't matter.
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I went in to my carrier and showed them my phone. I had bricked it softly. So, the manager played with til he had gotten the download screen. In the mean time they had made arrangements if I could not get working they were going to hook me up with a new phone. They asked me why I was doing it and I told them I didn't like the bloatware. Yes, it already had the 0x1. Yes, I live in the US. No it just didn't matter.
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VICTORY!
Under EU statutory law, the service Centre have to prove that rooting and changing system software was the direct cause of any malfunction. If they can't, they are required, again under statutory law, to repair any android device fee free.
https://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html
I have 0x1 and a custom recovery and ROM.
Is there any way to return the phone to a state in which it receives standard OTA updates again?
Want to sell it and if the buyer isn't a rooter/nerd they might complain that the system has been modified.
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I have 0x1 and a custom recovery and ROM.
Is there any way to return the phone to a state in which it receives standard OTA updates again?
Want to sell it and if the buyer isn't a rooter/nerd they might complain that the system has been modified.
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Just flash official Samsung firmware via odin. Flashing official Samsung firmware doesn't trip Knox. In regards to returning Knox to 0x0....no method has been found as far as I know.
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Under EU statutory law, the service Centre have to prove that rooting and changing system software was the direct cause of any malfunction. If they can't, they are required, again under statutory law, to repair any android device fee free.
https://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html
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Thats my whole argument. How can they just refuse you. Its a tactic to save them money. Even though your paying a $175 deductible. They should always have to prives the root had simething to do with it. If i bust my screen how the hell does me having a rooted phone disqualify me from receiving a new one. ESPECIALLY with a $175 payment for it. It B.S.
I am considering buying a new S6 in the UK. I am interested in root but reluctant to trip KNOX in case I need to return the phone.
So PingPongRoot would be ideal but of course it needs Android < 5.1.1. However as far as I can tell 5.1.1 has been out for 6 months or more.
Is there any likelihood of getting hold of a phone with 5.0.2 at this stage? Mainstream websites selling the S6 don't seem to specify the exact version. Of course there is eBay, but I am reluctant to buy a non-official phone as then I don't have a manufacturer guarantee anyway.
So I guess I am out of luck - root without KNOX is no longer available to new buyers. However if anyone has any good ideas I would certainly appreciate it.
Thanks
You could use the engineering bootloader. That's what I've been doing since release. However I don't know if it works from 5.1.1 to the 5.0.2 engineering bootloader. This is the only one that was leaked for the international version. Ymmv!
Just search engineering bootloader s6*
Edit: You cannot use the fingerprint scanner while on 5.1.1 because it's incompatible with 5.0.2, but other than that it's a fine solution and no Knox tripping ☺
@Derduden good suggestion thanks. It's certainly useful to have the engineering bootloader available as an option.
I not sure if I'll try it as there are, as you say, some restrictions and complications. Maybe I'll just accept the KNOX trip. Or maybe all this hassle with KNOX is enough to make me pick a different phone that is more friendly to rooters
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@Derduden good suggestion thanks. It's certainly useful to have the engineering bootloader available as an option.
I not sure if I'll try it as there are, as you say, some restrictions and complications. Maybe I'll just accept the KNOX trip. Or maybe all this hassle with KNOX is enough to make me pick a different phone that is more friendly to rooters
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Is there a reason why you want to root the device? If you are the type that flashes alot I would not get this phone.
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I brought a phone in to a Samsung service center with Knox Tripped, water damage, and a cracked glass back. They fixed the water damage for me for free, and Knox wasn't a problem.
@WolfsFang My reasons for root are:
Privacy/permission control: Xprivacy/app ops/cyanogen built-in
AdBlock (yes I know there are non-root options, but not as good IMO)
Good backups: Titanium and Nandroid
Firewall to control what apps get WiFi/4G
Maybe other root only tweaks, xposed apps etc
I might flash a ROM once at some stage and leave it forever. Not flashing a lot. A guess the ROM can lose some functions with Samsung closed drivers. I think I saw a thread about it but lost it now. Maybe the high res camera?
I would definitely be interested in suggestions for a similar phone . I have just created myself a post over on the device suggestion thread.
Hi all, I purchased an S7 from AT&T and found it (unfortunately) to be a worse experience than my S4 due to Android System/AndroidOS battery drain and general jittery-ness of the interface. I tried many solutions across the AT&T forums, but nothing has worked so far.
So, I purchased a G930FD (which I should have done in the first place!). Immediately it's smoother, although it's too early to determine the battery life.
I'm searching around the forums for info on the G930FD but it seems like it's still pretty early days and I can't find a comprehensive "guide" post yet.
If someone who's active in the community and familiar with the G930FD wants to answer these basic questions, I think this would be a great start for a guide to this device. And, of course, it would be really helpful to me!
I'm being asked if I want to upgrade to G930FXXU1BPH6/G930FOJV1BPI1/G930FXXU1BPH1
Should I take this upgrade if I'm in the US? It looks like BPH6 and BPH1 are both EU Nordic, and there's no mention of BPI1 on the forums. This is "firmware", which I never had to deal with on my S4 but am assuming is separate from whatever ROM I'd want to flash?
If I root will I absolutely trip Knox? What's the realistic downside if I don't have a warranty and Samsung Pay isn't available on my model?
I know that on the G930A the current root involving the engboot won't trip Knox. It looks like there is a solution being worked on for the G930F that won't either, but it's not finished yet. If I do trip Knox, will this prevent me from using a third-party "insurance" service like SquareDeal, etc? Is there any other negative to tripping Knox for me? If I flash a ROM that has Knox removed, and root enabled, will I trip Knox?
I know that many of the eg stock ROM/Modem/Bootloader collections here are from AU or other non-UAE countries. Is there any issue with me flashing them?
Do I need to flash a particular CSC to use my phone in the US?
I know this is a lot of questions, but it would be really helpful to me (and many other newbies) to have these explained.
Thank you in advance!
Depending on type of root you want to do if it will trip Knox, if you install custom recovery it will 100% trip Knox. If you don't have warranty and don't use Samsung pay it doesn't really matter if you trip Knox. As tripping Knox mostly only affects the use of Samsung pay.
If installing roms just choose the one with the right feature set for you where the rom originates from doesn't matter.
For CSC it determines the region of the phone it's best that you choose one that matches your use so it's optimized but should work regardless.
I'm currently using tkkg's Superman rom and flashable CSC and I suggest you check it out, lots of your questions are answered in those 2 forums
I'm just curious to know whether or not it's possible to restore from a KNOX trip after installing TWRP and a custom Rom. Does restoring stock Rom via Odin restore KNOX status to x0?
No. Once it's done it's done. It's a hardware fuse that blows. You can't undo that.....
Thanks for taking the time to reply. Damn that sucks. So if i trip KNOX and go back to stock Rom via Odin, will I experience tripped KNOX related errors and popups? Would Samsung Pay still be functional?
michel5891 said:
Thanks for taking the time to reply. Damn that sucks. So if i trip KNOX and go back to stock Rom via Odin, will I experience tripped KNOX related errors and popups? Would Samsung Pay still be functional?
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No Samsung Pay, S Health, Secure Folder, and everything that is knox related.
I just got mine in the mail. Literally 3 minutes ago. SM-G955FD.
So aster rooting I'm definitely going to see Samsung Pay related errors and if i were to attempt to resell, those errors would be dead giveaway. Correct?
I'm debating whether or not to root and put custom Rom on it.
michel5891 said:
I just got mine in the mail. Literally 3 minutes ago. SM-G955FD.
So aster rooting I'm definitely going to see Samsung Pay related errors and if i were to attempt to resell, those errors would be dead giveaway. Correct?
I'm debating whether or not to root and put custom Rom on it.
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Most definitely
The phone will be missing all those features stated above and also no warranty
Will majorly affect resale price
Not really fair to resell without stating the issues from rooting
So I guess that settles it. Not going to root. That sucks. How is Samsung getting away with this ****? Apple-like behavior. I'll miss rooting; custom roms etc.
Thats whay i will sale my s8+. Thats bored whithout custom roms.
I will back to Note 5, S7 Edge. I think the "new" note 7 will come whith the same problem like the s8. Fu()/&= KNOX !
It's Samsung's loss, modding community will move away from Samsung devices if they continue this lock down crap. I got an international variant so I can root. I don't really care about Samsung pay, S health and secure folder are nice so that sucks but there are likely alternatives in the play store.
VICosPhi said:
It's Samsung's loss, modding community will move away from Samsung devices if they continue this lock down crap. I got an international variant so I can root. I don't really care about Samsung pay, S health and secure folder are nice so that sucks but there are likely alternatives in the play store.
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You're absolutely right. I've already started looking as other devices, the only caveat is the specs -- the hardware. They're not up to par with Samsung's technology. I hope I'm wrong about this. If i am and there are other devices that are just as good or even better, I'll jump ship.
so u cant use S health in a rooted device? like heart rate monitor and running stress test? etc?
You can use those on a rooted device by hiding root. If you go back to stock, those will not work.
Well now this is confusing me a bit. There's rooting and there's installing custom recovery. Which of the two is going to trip Knox?
michel5891 said:
Well now this is confusing me a bit. There's rooting and there's installing custom recovery. Which of the two is going to trip Knox?
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Both; you need to install a custom recovery to root.
Near_07 said:
so u cant use S health in a rooted device? like heart rate monitor and running stress test? etc?
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AFAIK, S Health is the only one of the knox-related apps that can work on a rooted device. Check out this post for instructions.
zfzszt said:
Both; you need to install a custom recovery to root.
AFAIK, S Health is the only one of the knox-related apps that can work on a rooted device. Check out this post for instructions.
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I'm waiting for that mothership.:crying:
Samsung had locked devices since at least the S6 using Knox. Still one of the highest selling phones out there so I doubt they will care about a few losses in sales. Provably make up more I sales gained by corporate clients.
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Lets be clear here, warranty is only lost in some countries, not all. In the EU its not, even if Samsung claim it is. You should be getting the seller to deal with any warranty claim anyway, not Samsung directly.
As for it being Samsungs loss, well the modding community is absolutely tiny, far less than 1% of sales, so they really dont care and lose nothing. Its a small price to pay for the potential security issues a hacked Knox can bring, for example.. Its possible to simulate knox, or 'secure folder' on a device, but in reality the phone is sending back all the information in that folder to a third party server. However to do this you have to root and flash custom software, this trips the real knox, which the device will then complain about. Tripping Knox has to be permanent otherwise it can be bypassed.
ChrisM75 said:
Lets be clear here, warranty is only lost in some countries, not all. In the EU its not, even if Samsung claim it is. You should be getting the seller to deal with any warranty claim anyway, not Samsung directly.
As for it being Samsungs loss, well the modding community is absolutely tiny, far less than 1% of sales, so they really dont care and lose nothing. Its a small price to pay for the potential security issues a hacked Knox can bring, for example.. Its possible to simulate knox, or 'secure folder' on a device, but in reality the phone is sending back all the information in that folder to a third party server. However to do this you have to root and flash custom software, this trips the real knox, which the device will then complain about. Tripping Knox has to be permanent otherwise it can be bypassed.
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1% is an over statement.
0.01% is probably still overkill.
Far less than 1%... Well, for giant company like Samsung is, thats lot of money.. But... where is Knox exactly located on motherboard? Can be regain by erasing all (nand erase all, efs, etc) and than flashing all partitions through BOX-Octopus Box and dongle????
zfzszt said:
Both; you need to install a custom recovery to root.
AFAIK, S Health is the only one of the knox-related apps that can work on a rooted device. Check out this post for instructions.
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No. Rooting has literally nothing to do with the knox counter. Knox is protection against untrusted code.
Every single snapdragon s8 s8+ and n8 of rooted with a 0x0 counter, so it's a little more than possible