Hi all,
I'm sure there will be a slew of these kind of posts but I have a few specific questions that I can't see answered.
I have been a HTC user for the last 5 or 6 years and really like their devices for the most part. I was pretty much set on getting the One M9 but upon further research it seems like the Galaxy S6 is the better device overall. I've been researching the SG6 for a day or so now and have a few questions about it. I will be wanting to root and probably have a non-stock rom installed (if they offer improvements!)
1. What does "tripping knox" actually mean with regards to rooting? As far as I understand Knox is business security software?
2. If I root and/or install a custom rom will it definitely trip knox?
3. Is there any way to un-trip knox? I know tampering with HTC bootloader and rooting etc technically voids the warranty, but I've always been able to set it back to stock and lock/remove any tampered flags and HTC have been none-the-wiser and repaired under warranty. Is this possible with a Samsung?
4. Is the rom dev community likely to be as strong as the M9's? (i.e. will there be lots of choice?)
5. Is TouchWiz really as bad as everyone says? I really like Sense as a UI - will I enjoy having a Samsung?
6. Is it worth paying £100 ($150) more for the S6 than the M9?
Thanks, and I hope you can help me choose!
HapticThreek said:
1. What does "tripping knox" actually mean with regards to rooting? As far as I understand Knox is business security software?
2. If I root and/or install a custom rom will it definitely trip knox?
3. Is there any way to un-trip knox? I know tampering with HTC bootloader and rooting etc technically voids the warranty, but I've always been able to set it back to stock and lock/remove any tampered flags and HTC have been none-the-wiser and repaired under warranty. Is this possible with a Samsung?
4. Is the rom dev community likely to be as strong as the M9's? (i.e. will there be lots of choice?)
5. Is TouchWiz really as bad as everyone says? I really like Sense as a UI - will I enjoy having a Samsung?
6. Is it worth paying £100 ($150) more for the S6 than the M9?
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1. "Knox is business security software" yes, kinda. Tripping Knoxs means that the phone is no longer how it came out of the factory and the software/ROM could be compromised even if you flash black the stock ROM. Think about: Samsung doesnt want any posible way to have something added to the OS that could endanger the phone's stored information. IE. You selling the device to another person, with the "stock" ROM with a keylogger in it.
2. Yes.
3. No.
4. Yes, Samsungs are very popular, is the highest Android selling brand so there are a lot of users/devs on it.
5. Is up to you, I removed the stock ROM on my Galaxy S4 after a month, I didnt like it that much but I also wanted CyanogenMod on my phone. The "new" TouchWiz seems to be good enough to stay on stock.
6. Up to you. In my case, yes. I really like the S6 Edge desing. Plus, you also get a performance boost, better build quality, higher resolution, etc...
I am considering buying a new S6 in the UK. I am interested in root but reluctant to trip KNOX in case I need to return the phone.
So PingPongRoot would be ideal but of course it needs Android < 5.1.1. However as far as I can tell 5.1.1 has been out for 6 months or more.
Is there any likelihood of getting hold of a phone with 5.0.2 at this stage? Mainstream websites selling the S6 don't seem to specify the exact version. Of course there is eBay, but I am reluctant to buy a non-official phone as then I don't have a manufacturer guarantee anyway.
So I guess I am out of luck - root without KNOX is no longer available to new buyers. However if anyone has any good ideas I would certainly appreciate it.
Thanks
You could use the engineering bootloader. That's what I've been doing since release. However I don't know if it works from 5.1.1 to the 5.0.2 engineering bootloader. This is the only one that was leaked for the international version. Ymmv!
Just search engineering bootloader s6*
Edit: You cannot use the fingerprint scanner while on 5.1.1 because it's incompatible with 5.0.2, but other than that it's a fine solution and no Knox tripping ☺
@Derduden good suggestion thanks. It's certainly useful to have the engineering bootloader available as an option.
I not sure if I'll try it as there are, as you say, some restrictions and complications. Maybe I'll just accept the KNOX trip. Or maybe all this hassle with KNOX is enough to make me pick a different phone that is more friendly to rooters
Adam_PS said:
@Derduden good suggestion thanks. It's certainly useful to have the engineering bootloader available as an option.
I not sure if I'll try it as there are, as you say, some restrictions and complications. Maybe I'll just accept the KNOX trip. Or maybe all this hassle with KNOX is enough to make me pick a different phone that is more friendly to rooters
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Is there a reason why you want to root the device? If you are the type that flashes alot I would not get this phone.
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I brought a phone in to a Samsung service center with Knox Tripped, water damage, and a cracked glass back. They fixed the water damage for me for free, and Knox wasn't a problem.
@WolfsFang My reasons for root are:
Privacy/permission control: Xprivacy/app ops/cyanogen built-in
AdBlock (yes I know there are non-root options, but not as good IMO)
Good backups: Titanium and Nandroid
Firewall to control what apps get WiFi/4G
Maybe other root only tweaks, xposed apps etc
I might flash a ROM once at some stage and leave it forever. Not flashing a lot. A guess the ROM can lose some functions with Samsung closed drivers. I think I saw a thread about it but lost it now. Maybe the high res camera?
I would definitely be interested in suggestions for a similar phone . I have just created myself a post over on the device suggestion thread.
I have in the last month been looking everywhere for methods of rooting this blasted thing.
Yet again samsung is stopping me accessing regular features, things like accessibility permissions...it's ridiculous.
I am sick of the crap in this new android and I can't find a safe method or odin build anywhere.
At this point I really don't care if I trip knox, though maybe that is ignorance and frustration speaking.
What are the risks?
If anyone has a way of rooting this build number please let me know.
My carrier is UK's O2 network if that makes a difference
Let me know any other info you need.
I have rooted many samsungs before so know the general jist.
But this model seems super hard to deal with so please take me through any safe - ish procedire as a newb.
Pleases and many thanks.
8thsiner said:
I have in the last month been looking everywhere for methods of rooting this blasted thing.
Yet again samsung is stopping me accessing regular features, things like accessibility permissions...it's ridiculous.
I am sick of the crap in this new android and I can't find a safe method or odin build anywhere.
At this point I really don't care if I trip knox, though maybe that is ignorance and frustration speaking.
What are the risks?
If anyone has a way of rooting this build number please let me know.
My carrier is UK's O2 network if that makes a difference
Let me know any other info you need.
I have rooted many samsungs before so know the general jist.
But this model seems super hard to deal with so please take me through any safe - ish procedire as a newb.
Pleases and many thanks.
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I have the exact build number as you, and I rooted pretty simple.
I just used odin v3.10.6 http://odindownload.com/download/Odin3_v3.10.6.zip (Direct Download)
Then flashed Unikernel onto my phone using Odin (Opening with 'AP' of course) https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24052804347808101
(and obviously don't forget to put your phone in download mode!)
Used this method a million times before and never had any problems, should work fine
I'm just curious to know whether or not it's possible to restore from a KNOX trip after installing TWRP and a custom Rom. Does restoring stock Rom via Odin restore KNOX status to x0?
No. Once it's done it's done. It's a hardware fuse that blows. You can't undo that.....
Thanks for taking the time to reply. Damn that sucks. So if i trip KNOX and go back to stock Rom via Odin, will I experience tripped KNOX related errors and popups? Would Samsung Pay still be functional?
michel5891 said:
Thanks for taking the time to reply. Damn that sucks. So if i trip KNOX and go back to stock Rom via Odin, will I experience tripped KNOX related errors and popups? Would Samsung Pay still be functional?
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No Samsung Pay, S Health, Secure Folder, and everything that is knox related.
I just got mine in the mail. Literally 3 minutes ago. SM-G955FD.
So aster rooting I'm definitely going to see Samsung Pay related errors and if i were to attempt to resell, those errors would be dead giveaway. Correct?
I'm debating whether or not to root and put custom Rom on it.
michel5891 said:
I just got mine in the mail. Literally 3 minutes ago. SM-G955FD.
So aster rooting I'm definitely going to see Samsung Pay related errors and if i were to attempt to resell, those errors would be dead giveaway. Correct?
I'm debating whether or not to root and put custom Rom on it.
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Most definitely
The phone will be missing all those features stated above and also no warranty
Will majorly affect resale price
Not really fair to resell without stating the issues from rooting
So I guess that settles it. Not going to root. That sucks. How is Samsung getting away with this ****? Apple-like behavior. I'll miss rooting; custom roms etc.
Thats whay i will sale my s8+. Thats bored whithout custom roms.
I will back to Note 5, S7 Edge. I think the "new" note 7 will come whith the same problem like the s8. Fu()/&= KNOX !
It's Samsung's loss, modding community will move away from Samsung devices if they continue this lock down crap. I got an international variant so I can root. I don't really care about Samsung pay, S health and secure folder are nice so that sucks but there are likely alternatives in the play store.
VICosPhi said:
It's Samsung's loss, modding community will move away from Samsung devices if they continue this lock down crap. I got an international variant so I can root. I don't really care about Samsung pay, S health and secure folder are nice so that sucks but there are likely alternatives in the play store.
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You're absolutely right. I've already started looking as other devices, the only caveat is the specs -- the hardware. They're not up to par with Samsung's technology. I hope I'm wrong about this. If i am and there are other devices that are just as good or even better, I'll jump ship.
so u cant use S health in a rooted device? like heart rate monitor and running stress test? etc?
You can use those on a rooted device by hiding root. If you go back to stock, those will not work.
Well now this is confusing me a bit. There's rooting and there's installing custom recovery. Which of the two is going to trip Knox?
michel5891 said:
Well now this is confusing me a bit. There's rooting and there's installing custom recovery. Which of the two is going to trip Knox?
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Both; you need to install a custom recovery to root.
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so u cant use S health in a rooted device? like heart rate monitor and running stress test? etc?
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AFAIK, S Health is the only one of the knox-related apps that can work on a rooted device. Check out this post for instructions.
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Both; you need to install a custom recovery to root.
AFAIK, S Health is the only one of the knox-related apps that can work on a rooted device. Check out this post for instructions.
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I'm waiting for that mothership.:crying:
Samsung had locked devices since at least the S6 using Knox. Still one of the highest selling phones out there so I doubt they will care about a few losses in sales. Provably make up more I sales gained by corporate clients.
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Lets be clear here, warranty is only lost in some countries, not all. In the EU its not, even if Samsung claim it is. You should be getting the seller to deal with any warranty claim anyway, not Samsung directly.
As for it being Samsungs loss, well the modding community is absolutely tiny, far less than 1% of sales, so they really dont care and lose nothing. Its a small price to pay for the potential security issues a hacked Knox can bring, for example.. Its possible to simulate knox, or 'secure folder' on a device, but in reality the phone is sending back all the information in that folder to a third party server. However to do this you have to root and flash custom software, this trips the real knox, which the device will then complain about. Tripping Knox has to be permanent otherwise it can be bypassed.
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Lets be clear here, warranty is only lost in some countries, not all. In the EU its not, even if Samsung claim it is. You should be getting the seller to deal with any warranty claim anyway, not Samsung directly.
As for it being Samsungs loss, well the modding community is absolutely tiny, far less than 1% of sales, so they really dont care and lose nothing. Its a small price to pay for the potential security issues a hacked Knox can bring, for example.. Its possible to simulate knox, or 'secure folder' on a device, but in reality the phone is sending back all the information in that folder to a third party server. However to do this you have to root and flash custom software, this trips the real knox, which the device will then complain about. Tripping Knox has to be permanent otherwise it can be bypassed.
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1% is an over statement.
0.01% is probably still overkill.
Far less than 1%... Well, for giant company like Samsung is, thats lot of money.. But... where is Knox exactly located on motherboard? Can be regain by erasing all (nand erase all, efs, etc) and than flashing all partitions through BOX-Octopus Box and dongle????
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Both; you need to install a custom recovery to root.
AFAIK, S Health is the only one of the knox-related apps that can work on a rooted device. Check out this post for instructions.
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No. Rooting has literally nothing to do with the knox counter. Knox is protection against untrusted code.
Every single snapdragon s8 s8+ and n8 of rooted with a 0x0 counter, so it's a little more than possible
Hi guys!
I currently own an iPhone and have for the past 2 years, last time I owned an Android there was none of this "apps blocking because of root". I've been really wanting to move back to android but absolutely DESPISE the Samsung emojis.
My question is, is it possible for me to root the 8+, change the emojis then unroot again? I don't mind tripping KNOX but I do not want to block Snapchat/my banking app.
Thanks
What model? The exynos (G955F) is very different than the snapdragon one (G950U/W) and those are different than the hong Kong/china one (G9500)
I live in UK so it’d be the exynos model
I live in the UK so it's exynos. I just want to be able to root it then change emojis and then unroot.
And leave Knox at 0x0? Unfortunately no.
Snapchat totally works under exynos root though. Magisk can pass safety net. Depending on your bank you can likely get that working too.
The only real impossibles once you root an exynos are Samsung pay and secure folder. That is because they both rely on Knox and once it's 0x1 there's no changing it back. There is literally a tiny electronic fuse that physically pops, making it impossible to put back. As far as I know though only those two things absolutely depend on it. There are even custom kernels that fake 0x0 cosmetically both in the os and in download mode. The only other thing that may matter to you is warranty. Samsung wants to void warranty for every device with tripped Knox, however in many European countries it's illegal for a country to void for that reason, so if the UK is one of them you will be safe from that. I can't say for sure though you will have to check yourself.
If none of those things are showstoppers, I recommend starting with doing some reading on the forums about various things with root and custom recovery on the exynos s8. Be sure to avoid the threads that talk only about "snapdragon" as those are n American phones (usually) with locked bootloaders, so their options are much more limited than yours.
Hope that helps!
Wow! That was more than enough information. Thank you so much for all the help. I really appreciate it.
You should be fine, I've seen people on here do that all time time. But be warned, if you used Samsung pay or secure folder; those will be non-functional once you root because Knox is tripped. I'll never work again even if you flash stock odin.