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Hi guys!
We've all been hearing all this stuff about dual-core CPUs like Qualcomm's QSD8672 @1,5GHz,or the single-core OMAP 4xxx @2GHz etc,right?The question is,will we see those devices soon enough?I mean,if they come out some time around christmas it's worth waiting(although they may cost something too much).However all the new devices that we see coming out,like HTC Ace or Schubert,have the well-known Snapdragon QSD8250/8650 @1GHz,with its crappy GPU and its not so powerful CPU(compared to Samsung's Hummingbird).Any clues yet on when we'll see those devices that will change what high-end means?
My guess (which is based solely on a hunch) is that that such devices would be announced together with Android 3.0, so that companies can advertise it as 'the next generation'.
Well,although not based on facts,your hunch gives a pretty possible image of how things will work...
Yes I've used the search tool and the last post in the last Exynos 5250 thread was at december 2011 and I can't find any rules about reviving old threads so I don't want to fiddle with it since I might get an infraction or worse a ban and and the last Tegra 4 thread wasn't coherent enough for me.
I don't know all the details but I would like to start talking about the supposed new Exynos 5250 and Tegra 4 development so please bear with me, I need all of those who has reliable information to add in the discussion. I'd like to start things with how will it fare against this year's smartphones and tablets? specifically the Samsung Galaxy S3 (1.4 ghz Quad ARM Cortex-A9 + Exynos 4412 & 1.5 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Krait + Snapdragon S4 MSM8960) and HTC one X ( 1.5 GHz quad-core ARM Cortex-A9 + Nvidia Tegra 3 & 1.5 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Krait + Snapdragon S4 MSM8960) since they are currently the top Phones out there in the market performance wise.
Further into the topic will the new Exynos and Tegra make their predecessors completely obsolete once they come out? or is the performance leap going to be minimal at best? due to various factors perhaps you can't fully utilize their potential due to the limiting software apps out there? What I want you guys to elaborate for the community is how better will it be in terms of CPU and GPU benchmark performance. Please do share your Ideas and any reliable information about the said topic at hand.
P.S. I just got an SGS3 my very first smartphone and android, did I make a huge mistake by buying it or should have I gone for a cheaper Galaxy Nexus and waited for the new Exynos to come out?
Itadakiimasu said:
Yes I've used the search tool and the last post in the last Exynos 5250 thread was at december 2011 and I can't find any rules about reviving old threads so I don't want to fiddle with it since I might get an infraction or worse a ban and and the last Tegra 4 thread wasn't coherent enough for me.
I don't know all the details but I would like to start talking about the supposed new Exynos 5250 and Tegra 4 development so please bear with me, I need all of those who has reliable information to add in the discussion. I'd like to start things with how will it fare against this year's smartphones and tablets? specifically the Samsung Galaxy S3 (1.4 ghz Quad ARM Cortex-A9 + Exynos 4412 & 1.5 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Krait + Snapdragon S4 MSM8960) and HTC one X ( 1.5 GHz quad-core ARM Cortex-A9 + Nvidia Tegra 3 & 1.5 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Krait + Snapdragon S4 MSM8960) since they are currently the top Phones out there in the market performance wise.
Further into the topic will the new Exynos and Tegra make their predecessors completely obsolete once they come out? or is the performance leap going to be minimal at best? due to various factors perhaps you can't fully utilize their potential due to the limiting software apps out there? What I want you guys to elaborate for the community is how better will it be in terms of CPU and GPU benchmark performance. Please do share your Ideas and any reliable information about the said topic at hand.
P.S. I just got an SGS3 my very first smartphone and android, did I make a huge mistake by buying it or should have I gone for a cheaper Galaxy Nexus and waited for the new Exynos to come out?
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what better than Nvidia Tegra 3
First off, let's talk processors:
Your phone, the SGS3 i9300 is packing the Quad-Core Exynos 4412, rather than the dual-core Snapdragon S4 (MSM8960) for North American versions of the SGS3. The international version of the HTC One X has the 1.5GHz Tegra 3 vs the North American version which has the S4 as well.
Performance wise, these processors are all pretty on-par. Benchmark scores are close, with the Tegra 3 gaining the upper hand graphics-wise with its 12-core GPU. The processor to look out out of these 3 would be the S4, considering it's the first processor to (kinda) take advantage of the A15 cortex.
...The reason I say kind of, is because there is some discussion on the S4 being a hybrid between the A9 cortex (Tegra 3, Exynos 4) and the beastly A15. Qualcomm is a rebel, and doesn't follow ARM's chip designs like the others do. But I digress...
A15 is going to be a HUGE improvement over A9. HUGE performance gains, higher resolution displays, USB 3.0,OpenGL ES 3.0 (depending on the GPU) and much much more. The dual-core Exynos 5250 is going to be based off the A15 cortex, and it's going to blow even the quad core A9's out of the water. Tegra 4 will almost definitely be based off A15 as well, and it's going to be a sight to see. As for the Snapragon S5, who knows? I'm sure Qualcomm has some cool stuff up it's sleeve.
To answer your question, yes the new Exynos and Tegra processors are going to make older generation processors obsolete, but that doesn't mean you made a bad choice. The SGS3 is a great phone, and as such has tons of developers making custom roms, kernals, and other fun hacks to keep you occupied for the months to come hack away!
hope that helped!
You didn't make a mistake as at present android is not able to push current quadcore devices to their limits and there is a scope for lot more improvement
So even though next gen processors will be lot more powerful, your phone will still be able to handle next android releases so Don't worry and enjoy your S3
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vivek_bhoj said:
You didn't make a mistake as at present android is not able to push current quadcore devices to their limits and there is a scope for lot more improvement
So even though next gen processors will be lot more powerful, your phone will still be able to handle next android releases so Don't worry and enjoy your S3
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Android already has full multi core support. The only thing holding back multi cores is the fact that many apps still don't make use of them.
Also, that other guy made some great points but forgot to mention S4 Pro, which we already know a good deal about and is very impressive. It sets the bar high for the next tegra and for exynos 5250.
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Itadakiimasu said:
Further into the topic will the new Exynos and Tegra make their predecessors completely obsolete once they come out? or is the performance leap going to be minimal at best?
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They're not going to be "completely obsolete" (even GN and SG2, for example, are still good phones despite being "last year") but there is going to be a large performance increase to A15.
There's always a next big thing coming out, but generally it's not worth waiting for unless you're on the cusp. Even if the generation you shop is relatively old, the competitive market (unlike, say, that of a fruity company) helps to compensate you by providing discounts of the previous tech.
S3, in particular, is a darn good phone no matter how you look at it (except that it has hardware buttons, but I digress..)
Hello guys,
I'm kinda confused here.
I'm asking about a CPU I seen some phones and tablets claim that they have it as a Quad Core processor but somehow in other places like in Antutu and other benchmark programs it'll say something else.
now in the Chinese phone Market you'll see a new line of Quad Core Devices, tablets or phones.
they say they have: Samsung Exynos 4412 CPU and as far as I know this is a Quad Core Processor.
but when u launch Antutu for example on some of these new Chinese Devices you'll see it says:
Exynos 4x12
and will show something like this:
CPU Hardware: SMDK4x12
CPU model: Dual-Core ARMv7 Processor (VFPv3, NEON)
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and actually when I read: Exynos 4x12 so the "X" doesn't clear it for me is it: 4212 the dual core one or the 4412 the Quad core one.. u see what I mean?
this is really confusing.
try for yourself searching for Galaxy s3 Clones or knockoff - Galaxy Note 2 Clones or knockoff and u'll see similar things to what I'm asking about.
also the GPU shows in some of these phones claiming to have Quad Core Exynos 4412 that it's: powervr sgx531, while the Samsung Exynos Quad core will have GPU: Mali-T604
lol the whole thing is messed up there..
hope that someone would come and clear it out so we dont get scammed when buying these devices.
thanks
Most Galaxy S2 or S3 clones and knock-offs use an MTK chipset such as the 6575 or the 6577. These would normally be paired with a previous-gen GPU such as the PowerVR SGX 530 or 531.
It is quite easy to modify Android to display a string about the CPU, anything you want really.
A true Exynos CPU will ship with a Mali GPU. The 4x series shipped with the Mali-400, the Exynos 5 in the Chromebook and Nexus 10 ships with the Mali-604, as you stated.
In short, you won't find an Exynos device without a Mali GPU. If it lists anything else - you're probably being misled
thx juzz86 for your reply.
u know what is making this confusion in my opinion?
it's when u read the CPU saying this:
CPU Hardware: SMDK4x12
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SMDK stands for: Samsung Mobile Developers Kit and the 4x12 most people will think it's the Quad Core Exynos 4412 cause in the advertisement of the device(s) the sellers claim it has Quad Core processor.
so I found out that: reading SMDK4x12 or even SMDK4412 doesn't mean that the processor itself is the Exynos 4412 Quad Core.
the funny thing is when I demand from some sellers to go online with me and to turn on the camera so I can see for myself whats going on, only then they get scared when they see me ask alot about the CPU and that I doubt it's the Quad Core.
I also have to confess that some of them (the sellers) honestly didn't know that they have a Dual Core Device and not a Quad Core.
so guys... watch out and pay extra attention to the new Claimed to be Samsung Exynos Quad Core 4412 Processor.
ask for proof and Guarantees, and good luck
thanks again juzz
Yes mate, always pays to ask a lot of questions before buying one of these. Unfortunately as you say, most sellers don't understand what they are selling, just that it is 'dual-SIM'.
There is a pretty good following behind at least two of the clones here in the 'General' and 'Android Hacking' forums. Doing a quick search should pull up some.root methods as well.
MTK are getting better, and now even have a quad-core CPU in the works. That'll be a compelling option for some knock-offs, for sure!
Happy buying mate!
Quod
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I think I just got scammed. Bought one of ebay couple of days ago and realize its most likely a fake
Hi,
Everyone is shouting, we will not support Galaxy S4 (I9500) since it is having Exynos which lacks the documentation and sources. Yes, I know that sucks. I would say, we are not really getting super awesome ROMs like CM, MIUI anytime soon. But how if we think differently?
There are many Exynos based devices which have got pretty stable builds of CM and MIUI (e.g. Note 2).. Even Nexus 10 is based on Exynos.
Well, I am not that good but learning to port stuff from here and there.. How if we pick up some of the sources from Exynos devices like Nexus 10, Note 2 etc. and make them work on SGS4?
World will be beautiful again, isn't it?
I might be totally wrong so I expect you to explain stuff rather than ranting over this thread Let's help each other.. What say?
Regards,
Rahul Patil. :good:
It would be incredibly difficult and in my opinion, not worth the effort.
The Nexus 10 utilises Exynos 5250 while the Note 2 uses Exynos 4***(I forgot, 4410,I think), the S4 i9500 uses Exynos 5410 which is different as you can see.
However, some developers will doubtlessly pick up development for the Exynos variant (Faryaab already has an unofficial cm build for the i9500).
For all that effort, cm on the i9500 shall never be as stable and functional as that on the Snapdragon variants.
Well, yes.. Unless and until Samsung releases Exynos documentation and sources. Well, I don't know if there is any chance of getting documents. At least Samsung Exynos replied to one of my tweets regarding releasing sources. They said, they are working on licensing stuff and it should be resolved soon. But you know, their "soon" can be like 2-3 years more too.
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It would be incredibly difficult and in my opinion, not worth the effort.
The Nexus 10 utilises Exynos 5250 while the Note 2 uses Exynos 4***(I forgot, 4410,I think), the S4 i9500 uses Exynos 5410 which is different as you can see.
However, some developers will doubtlessly pick up development for the Exynos variant (Faryaab already has an unofficial cm build for the i9500).
For all that effort, cm on the i9500 shall never be as stable and functional as that on the Snapdragon variants.
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Intl GS2 and Note1 are Exynos 4210
Intl GS3 and Note2 are Exynos 4412
Nexus 10 is Exynos 5250 - Mali T604 GPU
I9500 is Exynos 5410 - PowerVR GPU and MANY other differences from the 5250
In short, almost none of the Exynos4 stuff is useful, and most likely neither is most of the Nexus10 stuff
Entropy512 said:
Intl GS2 and Note1 are Exynos 4210
Intl GS3 and Note2 are Exynos 4412
Nexus 10 is Exynos 5250 - Mali T604 GPU
I9500 is Exynos 5410 - PowerVR GPU and MANY other differences from the 5250
In short, almost none of the Exynos4 stuff is useful, and most likely neither is most of the Nexus10 stuff
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A vast majority of IP blocks are the same as on the 5250 so there is a lot one can pick from there.
Stupid question; weren't most of the CM problems related with the 2D accelerator and not the GPU itself?
@Rahulrulez any status update on the porting?
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@Rahulrulez any status update on the porting?
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cm team has officially announced that they have started working on cm10.1 for 9500 and they have a device in hand, who is handling the work and when will we see a flashable version in unknown
I am planning to buy a phone soon and although I'm not a developer (yet), I would like to try things such as making a custom rom, making my own android apps, etc.
I know Nexus phones are popular among developers but I just don't like the latest nexus phone and it's not cheap anymore. I am rooting for the Samsung Galaxy S7 just because it's popular, and some other features I like.
I found that there are two CPUs to choose from: Exynos and Qualcomm. Exynos version seems to be cheaper for the same memory. Does it matter if the processor is Exynos or Qualcomm if I want to become a developer?
Another phone I'm looking into is the Asus Zenphone 3 Deluxe. Its CPU is Qualcomm and the price is the same as the Exynos version of Samsung S7. Though my first choice really is Samsung.
Thanks!