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Pretty sure he wants to know if the new macbook charger will work. Right now that is the only usb type c to type c charger.
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Pretty sure he wants to know if the new macbook charger will work. Right now that is the only usb type c to type c charger.
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No, Google sells Type-C to Type-C ones but its out of stock right now
I'm fairly certain Apple's USB-C charger will work fine, but it's $49 without a cable.
Google's offering is cheaper, has two ports, plus a cable so I'd wait for that.
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You want a charger compatible with Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0 for the 6P. Quick charge allows charging at 5V, 9V and 12V. The charger will supply the voltage/amperage appropriate for the current charge level of the battery. Most older phone chargers are 5V and will work, but will not quick charge the phone. You can, however, us a Type C to Type C cable and charge your phone from a MacBook Pro Type C connector.
dwswager said:
You want a charger compatible with Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0 for the 6P. Quick charge allows charging at 5V, 9V and 12V. The charger will supply the voltage/amperage appropriate for the current charge level of the battery. Most older phone chargers are 5V and will work, but will not quick charge the phone. You can, however, us a Type C to Type C cable and charge your phone from a MacBook Pro Type C connector.
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That's a misnomer for the QC2.0 stuff. The usb-c to usb-c charger is automatically going to work with 5v/3a charging without the need for QC enabled functionality. Actually, there is some debate as to whether or not QC2.0 will even work with this phone if you have a standard usb-a to usb-c connector on a QC2.0 usb-a port.
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That's a misnomer for the QC2.0 stuff. The usb-c to usb-c charger is automatically going to work with 5v/3a charging without the need for QC enabled functionality. Actually, there is some debate as to whether or not QC2.0 will even work with this phone if you have a standard usb-a to usb-c connector on a QC2.0 usb-a port.
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Yes, the Type C to Type C has nothing to do with QuickCharge. It is a USB standard.
However, QC 2.0 works now on dozens of phones with Type A to Type B (Micro USB 2.0) connectors. If you connect it to a PC USB 2.0 connector, you will only get 5V! In fact, I suspect that even my USB 3.0 ports on my Gigabyte P5-USB3 motherboard also only supplies 5V. You must have a charger port set up to supply the higher voltages. If you look at the Wall/Car chargers that are QC2.0 compliant they usually have 1 QC2.0 slot and 1 or more standard slots that will only supply 5V.
Interesting point is the iPhone 6s actually has Qualcom QC 2.0 built in, but not utilized by Apple. The supplied charger with 6s is underpowered and a 6s can be charged much more quickly with a higher amp charger like that for an iPad or Kindle Fire.
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Interesting point is the iPhone 6s actually has Qualcom QC 2.0 built in, but not utilized by Apple. The supplied charger with 6s is underpowered and a 6s can be charged much more quickly with a higher amp charger like that for an iPad or Kindle Fire.
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Isn't quick-charge soc specific, as in only on Qualcomm processors?
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Yes, the Type C to Type C has nothing to do with QuickCharge. It is a USB standard.
However, QC 2.0 works now on dozens of phones with Type A to Type B (Micro USB 2.0) connectors. If you connect it to a PC USB 2.0 connector, you will only get 5V! In fact, I suspect that even my USB 3.0 ports on my Gigabyte P5-USB3 motherboard also only supplies 5V. You must have a charger port set up to supply the higher voltages. If you look at the Wall/Car chargers that are QC2.0 compliant they usually have 1 QC2.0 slot and 1 or more standard slots that will only supply 5V.
Interesting point is the iPhone 6s actually has Qualcom QC 2.0 built in, but not utilized by Apple. The supplied charger with 6s is underpowered and a 6s can be charged much more quickly with a higher amp charger like that for an iPad or Kindle Fire.
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It works but it won't charge above the 5V rating hence no quick charge... Your intentionally stating something that can be misread
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heleos said:
Isn't quick-charge soc specific, as in only on Qualcomm processors?
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It uses Qualcomm power control chip so it cna work with other SOC's like Intel lr Exynos
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It works but it won't charge above the 5V rating hence no quick charge... Your intentionally stating something that can be misread
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It uses Qualcomm power control chip so it cna work with other SOC's like Intel lr Exynos
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Learn something new every day!
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My Zenfone 2 had QC2 with an intel chip but ASUS called it quick charge with their 'boostmaster' charger but in reality it was just QC 2.0. Samsung calls it adaptive fast charging but its still QC2 etc....the Nexus likely doesn't support QC 2 because it requires a license as another member mentioned which would add to the overall cost
Not sure what you think is misleading, but let me try to clarify:
1. If you have a QC2.0 compliant charger and a QC2.0 compliant device, then QC2.0 will work regardless of the type of connector on the ends of the cable.
2. iPhone 6s has the capability for QC 2.0 built in, but can not do it because it is not utilized. However, you can provide higher amperage to the device at the same voltage than what the standard 6s charger supplies and hence, it will charge faster (not QC 2.0 though).
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It works but it won't charge above the 5V rating hence no quick charge... Your intentionally stating something that can be misread
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It uses Qualcomm power control chip so it cna work with other SOC's like Intel lr Exynos
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Not sure what you think is misleading, but let me try to clarify:
1. If you have a QC2.0 compliant charger and a QC2.0 compliant device, then QC2.0 will work regardless of the type of connector on the ends of the cable.
2. iPhone 6s has the capability for QC 2.0 built in, but can not do it because it is not utilized. However, you can provide higher amperage to the device at the same voltage than what the standard 6s charger supplies and hence, it will charge faster (not QC 2.0 though).
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Understood, but there are plenty of threads debating what the actual volts/amps will be on the phone if you use A-to-C with QC2.0 chargers. According to the spec it is 15W (9V/1.8A or 5V/3A), correct?
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Not sure what you think is misleading, but let me try to clarify:
1. If you have a QC2.0 compliant charger and a QC2.0 compliant device, then QC2.0 will work regardless of the type of connector on the ends of the cable.
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The 6P isn't a QC2.0 compliant device.
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Understood, but there are plenty of threads debating what the actual volts/amps will be on the phone if you use A-to-C with QC2.0 chargers. According to the spec it is 15W (9V/1.8A or 5V/3A), correct?
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It will get the voltage/amps determined by the charger. The 6P is not QC 2.0 CERTIFIED. Google didn't go for the pretty sticker.
From the QC 2.0 FAQ:
Q6: Does it matter what type of charging cable is used with a Quick Charge 2.0 adapter?
A: Quick Charge 2.0 is designed to be connector-independent. Quick Charge 2.0 can be implemented with a variety of formats, including USB Type-A, USB micro, USB Type-C, and other proprietary connectors.
Quick Charge 2.0 high-voltage operation is designed to minimize charging issues associated with long or thin cables, allowing for a superior charging experience, independent of cable type.
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It will get the voltage/amps determined by the charger. The 6P is not QC 2.0 CERTIFIED. Google didn't go for the pretty sticker.
From the QC 2.0 FAQ:
Q6: Does it matter what type of charging cable is used with a Quick Charge 2.0 adapter?
A: Quick Charge 2.0 is designed to be connector-independent. Quick Charge 2.0 can be implemented with a variety of formats, including USB Type-A, USB micro, USB Type-C, and other proprietary connectors.
Quick Charge 2.0 high-voltage operation is designed to minimize charging issues associated with long or thin cables, allowing for a superior charging experience, independent of cable type.
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You're arguing this in two different threads with multiple people trying to educate you on the power PIC controller interface. The chipset can handle the charging, but the actual usb power interface controller won't pass along those signals. It's not like applying a wire and getting charge -- there is a handshake that happens for the correct charging current and voltage to be applied.
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You're arguing this in two different threads with multiple people trying to educate you on the power PIC controller interface. The chipset can handle the charging, but the actual usb power interface controller won't pass along those signals. It's not like applying a wire and getting charge -- there is a handshake that happens for the correct charging current and voltage to be applied.
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Gotcha. The phone will identify the voltage requirement and the charger (assuming intelligent) will supply that voltage at it's rated amps. Actually, the default for all USB is 5V. If the charger does not get the handshake it will default to 5V. So a 5V/3A charger that is capable of multiple voltages will only supply 5V to such a device. Which is what the Google charger supplies. Most chargers will default to 5V and less than 3A however.
I will be interested in testing the Google charger and phone when I get it in my hands. The problem with charging is the change in resistance as the battery charges which is the point in multiple voltages. I like the new USB-Power Delivery setup, but there will be teething problem for early adoption.
OK, LG G5 finally was released. Supports quick charge 3.0 and comes with type-c port. Pretty sweet! I had posted a list about the Best Quick Charge 3.0 Chargers from the Famous Accessories Brands on S7 forum. (click here) Sadly S7 doesn't use the type-c port. I decided to buy the LG G5. :highfive:
Tronsmart:
Wall Chargers:
[Qualcomm Certified] Tronsmart 18W Quick Charge 3.0 USB Wall Charger :http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-wc1t-quick-charge-3.0-wall-charger
USB Type C Charger,Tronsmart 33W Dual USB Turbo Wall Charger with Quick Charge 3.0 Technology :http://www.tronsmart.com/tronsmart-w2pte-type-c-quick-charger-3.0-dual-ports-rapid-wall-charger
Tronsmart 42W Quick Charge 3.0 USB Wall Charger:http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-42w-quick-charge-3-0-usb-wall-charger-black
Car Chargers:
Tronsmart CC1T Single Port Quick Charge 3.0 Car Charger:http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-cc1t-qc-3.0-car-charger
USB Type C Car Charger,Tronsmart 33W Dual USB Car Charger with Quick Charge 3.0 Technology:http://www.tronsmart.com/tronsmart-c2pte-type-c-dual-ports-car-charger
Tronsmart C2PTU Quick Charge 3.0 & Type-C Dual Ports Car Charger:http://www.tronsmart.com/tronsmart-c2ptu-quick-charge-3.0-and-type-c-dual-ports-car-charger
Desktop Chargers
Tronsmart U5PTA Quick Charge 3.0 Rapid Desktop Charger:http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-uc5ta-quick-charge-3.0-rapid-desktop-charger
Anker:
Wall Charger:
Quick Charge 3.0, Anker 18W USB Wall Charger:https://www.anker.com/products/A2010111
Car Charger
Quick Charge 3.0, Anker 24W USB Car Charger:https://www.anker.com/products/A2210011
Aukey:
Wall Charger:
[Qualcomm Quick Charge 3.0] Quick Charge 2.0-Compatible AUKEY 19.5W USB Wall Charger:http://www.aukey.com/product/pa-t9-chargers-qc3-0
Car Charger:
USB Type C Car Charger, AUKEY 49.5W 3-Port USB Car Charger with Qualcomm Quick Charge 3.0 Technology:http://www.aukey.com/product/cc-y3-Car-Charger-qc3-0
Choetech:
Quick Charge 3.0-CHOE 18W :http://www.amazon.com/Charge-3-0-CH...=1454055256&sr=1-13&keywords=quick+charge+3.0
QC 3.0 power bank:http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01AAHT62
The above brands are my favorite accessories manufacturers and folks all speak highly of their products and services. Let me know the best quick charge 3.0 products you think! If you guys are looking for the best type-c cables for LG G5, please note that there are many bad type-c cables on the market now. But the googler Benson is still testing the type-c cables for us. You can find his review here:https://plus.google.com/collection/s0Inv
If you guys want to review their products, just visit their official website:
Anker Power User: https://www.anker.com/poweruser
Tronsmart Smart Plus User: http://www.tronsmart.com/smart-plus-user
Can't find the similar program from Aukey website http://www.aukey.com/
Choetech Reviewer Program: http://www.choetech.com/Support-review.html
Anyone know how quick you can go from dead to 100 with quick charge 3 on a USB 3C?
Hi Everyone, I can't wait for the G5, the modular design looks really intriguing, with that being said, I got the http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01AAHT62A?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00 in anticipation of the Lg G5, but I have used it on other Quick Charge 2.0 Devices and it is awesome! Smaller and lighter than I expected and the actual battery pack charges fast with a quick charge plug! It is a nice portable pack for anyone looking into buying it!
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Hi Everyone, I can't wait for the G5, the modular design looks really intriguing, with that being said, I got the http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01AAHT62A?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00 in anticipation of the Lg G5, but I have used it on other Quick Charge 2.0 Devices and it is awesome! Smaller and lighter than I expected and the actual battery pack charges fast with a quick charge plug! It is a nice portable pack for anyone looking into buying it!
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Nice to see an external pack with quickcharge built in. My solar battery pack probably doesn't have that, but it'll do for now.
I want to use the phone at once!!
jisddwqs said:
OK, LG G5 finally was released. Supports quick charge 3.0 and comes with type-c port. Pretty sweet! I had posted a list about the Best Quick Charge 3.0 Chargers from the Famous Accessories Brands on S7 forum. (click here) Sadly S7 doesn't use the type-c port. I decided to buy the LG G5. :highfive:
Tronsmart:
Wall Chargers:
[Qualcomm Certified] Tronsmart 18W Quick Charge 3.0 USB Wall Charger :http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-wc1t-quick-charge-3.0-wall-charger
USB Type C Charger,Tronsmart 33W Dual USB Turbo Wall Charger with Quick Charge 3.0 Technology :http://www.tronsmart.com/tronsmart-w2pte-type-c-quick-charger-3.0-dual-ports-rapid-wall-charger
Tronsmart 42W Quick Charge 3.0 USB Wall Charger:http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-42w-quick-charge-3-0-usb-wall-charger-black
Car Chargers:
Tronsmart CC1T Single Port Quick Charge 3.0 Car Charger:http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-cc1t-qc-3.0-car-charger
USB Type C Car Charger,Tronsmart 33W Dual USB Car Charger with Quick Charge 3.0 Technology:http://www.tronsmart.com/tronsmart-c2pte-type-c-dual-ports-car-charger
Tronsmart C2PTU Quick Charge 3.0 & Type-C Dual Ports Car Charger:http://www.tronsmart.com/tronsmart-c2ptu-quick-charge-3.0-and-type-c-dual-ports-car-charger
Desktop Chargers
Tronsmart U5PTA Quick Charge 3.0 Rapid Desktop Charger:http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-uc5ta-quick-charge-3.0-rapid-desktop-charger
Anker:
Wall Charger:
Quick Charge 3.0, Anker 18W USB Wall Charger:https://www.anker.com/products/A2010111
Car Charger
Quick Charge 3.0, Anker 24W USB Car Charger:https://www.anker.com/products/A2210011
Aukey:
Wall Charger:
[Qualcomm Quick Charge 3.0] Quick Charge 2.0-Compatible AUKEY 19.5W USB Wall Charger:http://www.aukey.com/product/pa-t9-chargers-qc3-0
Car Charger:
USB Type C Car Charger, AUKEY 49.5W 3-Port USB Car Charger with Qualcomm Quick Charge 3.0 Technology:http://www.aukey.com/product/cc-y3-Car-Charger-qc3-0
Choetech:
Quick Charge 3.0-CHOE 18W :http://www.amazon.com/Charge-3-0-CH...=1454055256&sr=1-13&keywords=quick+charge+3.0
QC 3.0 power bank:http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01AAHT62
The above brands are my favorite accessories manufacturers and folks all speak highly of their products and services. Let me know the best quick charge 3.0 products you think! If you guys are looking for the best type-c cables for LG G5, please note that there are many bad type-c cables on the market now. But the googler Benson is still testing the type-c cables for us. You can find his review here:https://plus.google.com/collection/s0Inv
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WOW.You are warm-hearted .Thanks a lot.
Someone have this charger? Is it better (faster) then original charger?
Quick Charge 3.0 AUKEY USB Wall Charger with Micro-USB Cable for Galaxy S7/S6/Edge Nexus 6p, LG G5 | Qualcomm Certified
http://s.aliexpress.com/IRRJnYjI
(from AliExpress Android)
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My question is will the stock out of box G5 charger cable work between the phone and my laptop. I've been reading stuff about a 75 resistor and I'm confused.
I also thought the stock charger was in fact a QC 3.0 charger.
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My question is will the stock out of box G5 charger cable work between the phone and my laptop. I've been reading stuff about a 75 resistor and I'm confused.
I also thought the stock charger was in fact a QC 3.0 charger.
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Stock cable works fine with my laptop. As far as the stock charger, it is QC 2.0 not 3.0. Not sure why LG did that.
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Stock cable works fine with my laptop. As far as the stock charger, it is QC 2.0 not 3.0. Not sure why LG did that.
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So you can transfer files, photos etc to/from the G5/laptop with no issues with stock cable? I thought the cable had to have some type of 75 ohm or something resistor in it so that it does not mess up the computer and its USB port?
I just do backup on my pc lg bridge with stock cable
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So you can transfer files, photos etc to/from the G5/laptop with no issues with stock cable? I thought the cable had to have some type of 75 ohm or something resistor in it so that it does not mess up the computer and its USB port?
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My laptop has not blown up or caught the clap...yet
Here's the power bank I picked up:
http://www.amazon.com/Qualcomm-Cert...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00
RAVPower 20,100mAh with QC 3.0, USB type C, regular iSmart USB port. so it can charge regular speed charging devices, Qualcomm Quick Charge 3.0 (and backward compatable to 2.0/1.0) and USB-C fast charging. Pretty much have all you bases covered. So I can charge my G5 and Nexus 6P at their full rate.
Also it can charge using QC 3.0 (if you have a QC 3.0 charger) to charge the huge 20,100mAh in about 4.5 hours.
I am looking for powerstation which can Charge LG g5 and second battery in Quick Charge Mode.
Anbody an idea?
Does anybody know of a car charger that does turbo charge the Moto Z? Apparently Motorola/Lenovo doesn't offer one and a third party QuickCharge 3.0 I tried failed...
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I got this one :Nekteck 5.4A USB-C Car Charger from Amazon for 15$ and it does turbo charge my phone .
I don't believe that the Z Force is set up for Qualcomm Quick Charge. And while it doesn't Turbo charge, I use the Verizon brand rapid USB-C car charger. I've also read that we have to be careful with what charging cables we use with our Z Force phones.
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zaki67 said:
I got this one :Nekteck 5.4A USB-C Car Charger from Amazon for 15$ and it does turbo charge my phone .
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Thank you, I will try that one then ?.
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I don't believe that the Z Force is set up for Qualcomm Quick Charge. And while it doesn't Turbo charge, I use the Verizon brand rapid USB-C car charger. I've also read that we have to be careful with what charging cables we use with our Z Force phones.
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At least Motorola claims it supports QuickCharge if I'm not mistaken. Apparently, though, it also has additional requirements for turbo charging to kick in... I looked at the Verizon charger, too, but a) there's not much info on its website, b) calling Verizon didn't help - they don't have a clue, and c) there is some comment / review saying that it "burned out" some user's battery (which is of course unconfirmed to be related to this charger, may have been something else).
Anyways, given the utter lack of info and the suspicion of harming the battery, I stayed away from it... not to mention the ridiculous $40 price tag.
On an other note, though, Verizon has the original Motorola TurboCharger (wall charger) at a 50% discount.
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At least Motorola claims it supports QuickCharge if I'm not mistaken. Apparently, though, it also has additional requirements for turbo charging to kick in... I looked at the Verizon charger, too, but a) there's not much info on its website, b) calling Verizon didn't help - they don't have a clue, and c) there is some comment / review saying that it "burned out" some user's battery (which is of course unconfirmed to be related to this charger, may have been something else).
Anyways, given the utter lack of info and the suspicion of harming the battery, I stayed away from it... not to mention the ridiculous $40 price tag.
On an other note, though, Verizon has the original Motorola TurboCharger (wall charger) at a 50% discount.
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No USB-C device can support Quick Charge - it violates the USB-C spec. Any quality USB-C charger that is higher amp will TurboCharge a phone. Moto screwed up by using TurboCharging name with both QuickCharge and USB-C - they are different.
The Moto Z is absurdly picky when it comes to quick charge specs.
I have a Blitzwolf QC2.0 with a type C and a Type A connector in my wifes car, and it will ONLY enter quick charge if I use the Type C to Type C cable I bought from Blitzwolf.
It will not turbo charge if I use a high end Type A to Type C cable, but my wifes LG G5 will do so happily.
I also bought a QC3 compatible charger, with the cable integrated like the original charger, and this works too, and is faster than the QC2 charger.
Both are definitely charging at more than 10 watts, the maximum for 5V 2A mode chargers.
And in fact, using a Non-QC 5V 3A charger, caused my cable to melt, and start to glow.
Incredibly my phone charging port survived.
Blitzwolf may very well be the only brand that works fully, as I just bought a Chuwi QC3 power bank, and it will refuse to quick charge my phone.
But works on some others.
And on another note, I used the Type C to Type C in a modern laptop a while back, and when I plugged it in, my phone displayed the message about receiving quick charge.
If I'm not mistaken, the Type C spec allows quick charging, but only if you use C to C, with the extra pins it's able to keep better track of the charging process I guess.
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The Moto Z is absurdly picky when it comes to quick charge specs.
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And on another note, I used the Type C to Type C in a modern laptop a while back, and when I plugged it in, my phone displayed the message about receiving quick charge.
If I'm not mistaken, the Type C spec allows quick charging, but only if you use C to C, with the extra pins it's able to keep better track of the charging process I guess.
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Yes, it seems all matter of cables...!
I have a Blitzwolf QC3.0 too BUT I'm able to obtain "Turbocharge" indication only using a *single* micro USB to type C adaptor. This with every cable and every charger. Even when connected to a USB port!
If I use every other cable or similar adaptors (I've tested many...), the "Turbocharge" never shows (except original charger obviously...).
With Blitzwolf QC3 and this cable/adaptor I got a full charge from less than 5% in about 70-75 min... during the charge cable was OK, while the adaptor (with metallic/aluminium exterior) was quite warm but never really hot in dangerous way...
Here's more information than any of you probably care about, but I'm tired of seeing the same misinformation and confusion being thrown around (not just in the Moto Z forum, but in a bunch of others, too).
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No USB-C device can support Quick Charge - it violates the USB-C spec.
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That's not true. Case in point: my ZTE Axon 7 and LeEco S3 both use QC 3.0 and both are USB-C. The common confusion comes from using "USB-C" (a connector) and "Type-C" (interchangeably used to refer to the connector and the power specification) incorrectly. Clarification below.
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Any quality USB-C charger that is higher amp will TurboCharge a phone. Moto screwed up by using TurboCharging name with both QuickCharge and USB-C - they are different.
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This is mostly true. "TurboPower" is the stupid name Moto uses to refer to the Type-C power specification. Actually, I'm being unfair: it's confusing that they called it "Type-C" in the first place and Moto took the opportunity to market the spec as their own thing.
Before going any further, let's use a common analogy to make the relationship between, wattage, voltage, and amperage easier to understand in broad terms. Wattage is the amount of water going through a pipe. Voltage is how fast that water is moving and amperage is the size of the pipe. 15W is 15W, but you can get there by having a tiny pipe (1A) with water moving really fast through it (15V) or a really big pipe (3A) with water going more slowly through it (5V). They both move the same amount of power, but in different ways. Got it? Good.
Anyway, Type-C has a fixed voltage and maxes out at 15W ([email protected]). Quick Charge 1.0 does only 10W ([email protected]), 2.0 does 18W (5/9/12V @ 3.6/2/1.5A respectively), and 3.0 does 18W with varying voltage (3.6-20V) and amperage (5-0.9A) to match. That is the advantage of QC over Type-C: a higher voltage can (usually) be run through those old and cheap USB cables without issue since voltage tolerance is determined largely by the phone and the charger. As long as the amperage doesn't exceed the capacity (gauge) of the wire, higher voltage is fine.
Amperage, though, that's what causes non-compliant or crappy cables to burn up. Really old or especially cheap cables can handle 1A max (heck, if they were built to spec, only 500mA for USB 2.0), but most cables of reasonable quality can handle 2A without much issue. They tend to use lower gauge (thicker) wires and should *not* feel warm at all when using it to charge. Some manufacturers (Samsung, for example) used to disable data on their USB cables and use it for additional amperage capacity, which is why you would occasionally buy a phone with a cable that wouldn't work for data transfer in the computer but would charge your phone just fine.
Moving on. Technically, QC 1.0 and QC 3.0 do not violate the Type-C power spec. QC 1.0 because it can't exceed it and QC 3.0 because it's variable. That said, QC 3.0 (and possibly QC 1.0, I don't know) require protocol negotiation; if that negotiation is lacking (in the case of the Moto Z), it's going to default to a "safe" charging rate (around 5W, plus or minus some). Your QC 2.0 does technically violate the Type-C spec because its voltage and amperage rates are fixed: you can get 5V at up to 3.6A. The "up to" bit is the important part. I have seen in various threads folks claiming their non-QC 3.0 phones will work with QC 2.0 chargers just fine and it's probably because the amperage tolerance is there (ie. it will actually allow 3.6A, violating spec) or it gets throttled (ie. sticks to 3A, keeping to spec).
Shadowdancer123 said:
The Moto Z is absurdly picky when it comes to quick charge specs.
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And in fact, using a Non-QC 5V 3A charger, caused my cable to melt, and start to glow.
Incredibly my phone charging port survived.
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If I'm not mistaken, the Type C spec allows quick charging, but only if you use C to C, with the extra pins it's able to keep better track of the charging process I guess.
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All Type-C and USB-PD compliant devices are picky about the charge specs, not just the Moto Z. Or, at least, they're supposed to be for the reasons outlined above (namely the amperage). QC devices are less picky because it frequently uses higher voltage, which we established above as being much more tolerable for cables of varying quality.
Your cable melting and glowing is to be expected when you push 3A through a cable that likely can't handle more than 2A or so. Your phone charging port survived because it's designed to handle 3A.
I'm not entirely sure about which pins do what on a USB-C connector, but you're right in the C-to-C is the only connection that (should, according to spec) support Type-C and USB-PD (Power Delivery). The rate is negotiated via the USB Power Delivery 2.0 "power rules", which define four acceptable voltages (5/9/15/20) and variable amperage (0.1-5) to obtain charge rates as low as 0.5W and as high as 100W. "Type-C" is part of the Power Delivery spec, but is usually limited to only the 5V rule. I'm fairly certain the Moto Z does not support anything past the first level power rule, which is why you likely won't find the Moto Z to charge significantly faster with the TurboPower 30 included with the Moto Z Force than it does with its original TurboPower 15 charger. No clue as to whether that's a hardware or software limitation.
Also, to answer the OP's original question: any reputable (Anker, Aukey, Choetech, Belkin, etc) that uses an actual USB-C port will work. Most (if not all) dual port units will have a USB-C port that will work with the Moto Z (or any other Type-C/USB-PD device) and a QC 3.0 compatible "traditional" USB-A port. I have yet to find one that includes two USB-C ports and I really hate the ones with integrated cables.
My personal favorite is the Choetech for $16 since its QC 3.0 USB-A port is reversible: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01AAGH8OY/
This Aukey is cheaper ($15) and would be fine: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01E764DXM/
Here's a Tronsmart for $16, as well: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018K7LHBU/
Even this $10 Vinsic should be okay: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014F2NQ36/
Just for funsies, here's a spreadsheet of the Benson Leung cable and charger tests: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wJwqv3rTNmORXz-XJsQaXK1dl8I91V4-eP_sfNVNzbA/edit#gid=0
Interestingly, the $10 Vinsic is on his list of approved. So there. Go buy a $10 car charger and be happy.
I have the aukey 6 port usb charging station with two QC 3.0 ports, I am using high quality braided usb 3.0 to type c cables - I have tested both QC 3.0 ports and the other ports (using ampere) - Every port lists charging as "normal" - QC port 1 shows a min of 640mA and a max of 1040mA. QC Port 2 shows - min of 530 mA and a max of 980 mA. Regular ports 3-6 all show a min of 270mA and max of 870 mA. Not one port indicated it was ever turbo or fast charging. This same charger does fast charge my lg G5 and Samsung S7 Edge.
this one is verified to give the "TurboPower connected" message when plugged in.
From what I have read, both QC 2.0 and 3.0 doesn't turbo charge moto phones. Qualcomms QC charging works by increasing the voltage and decreasing the amps. So you can have 12v and 2amp for a total of 24 watts, but that won't turbo charge the moto z. Moto works on 5 volts but needs at least 3 amps. It is the amps that seem to engage the Motos into turbo charge mode, and they have to be at least 3 amps.
This Belkin model, for example, is what Benson Leung uses for his pixel xl. Its one of the few on Amazon that is USB-IF certified for 5v 3amp.
rczrider said:
Here's more information than any of you probably care about, but I'm tired of seeing the same misinformation and confusion being thrown around (not just in the Moto Z forum, but in a bunch of others, too).
That's not true. Case in point: my ZTE Axon 7 and LeEco S3 both use QC 3.0 and both are USB-C. The common confusion comes from using "USB-C" (a connector) and "Type-C" (interchangeably used to refer to the connector and the power specification) incorrectly. Clarification below.
Moving on. Technically, QC 1.0 and QC 3.0 do not violate the Type-C power spec. QC 1.0 because it can't exceed it and QC 3.0 because it's variable. That said, QC 3.0 (and possibly QC 1.0, I don't know) require protocol negotiation; if that negotiation is lacking (in the case of the Moto Z), it's going to default to a "safe" charging rate (around 5W, plus or minus some). Your QC 2.0 does technically violate the Type-C spec because its voltage and amperage rates are fixed: you can get 5V at up to 3.6A. The "up to" bit is the important part. I have seen in various threads folks claiming their non-QC 3.0 phones will work with QC 2.0 chargers just fine and it's probably because the amperage tolerance is there (ie. it will actually allow 3.6A, violating spec) or it gets throttled (ie. sticks to 3A, keeping to spec).
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I think you are propagating mis-information. If you want to catch up on why QC 2.0/3.0 violate the USB-C spec, here it is from the horses mouth:
https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts/cEvVQLXhyRX
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...omm-quick-charge-with-android-incompatibility
Interestingly Qualcomm has QC 4.0 now and they call out integration with USB-C and USB-PD https://www.qualcomm.com/news/relea...livers-20-faster-charging-improved-efficiency
"Quick Charge 4 also integrates USB Type-C and USB-PD support, making the industry’s most popular battery charging solution available on the widest variety of cables and adapters."
USB-C has 24 pins while standard USB-A has 4. Quick Charge chargers (2.0/3.0) only have the 4 pins of USB-A - so if it can't use the data lines, then it can't quick charge via USB-C. Since there are only 4 outputs, plugging a USB-C cable into a QC 2.0/3.0 charger will not change anything. Still only 4 wires originating from the charger. The data lines are not allowed to be used for voltage, so your QC charger will only supply a fixed 5V to the phone. So no Quick Charge.
If QC3 supports [email protected] couldn't it supply power at [email protected] to turbocharge?
Looking for a solution to turbocharge my Moto Z and support QC3 for LG G5/Samsung S7.
The TurboPower 15 wall charger delivers hours of power in just minutes of charging. It includes micro USB and single USB charging cables so you can use it on compatible smartphones, tablets, digital cameras and more.
Have a Moto Z or another USB-C enabled device? The TurboPower 30 wall charger is USB-C compatible.
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zaki67 said:
I got this one :Nekteck 5.4A USB-C Car Charger from Amazon for 15$ and it does turbo charge my phone .
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Just ordered one of these. This one specifically
Hopefully it'll work out well
This one works fine.
https://store.google.com/product/belkin_15w_usb_c_car_charger
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swejuggalo said:
This one works fine.
https://store.google.com/product/belkin_15w_usb_c_car_charger
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YES! I can confirm it!
If I buy a QC 3.0 adapter, will the standard cable (USB c) that comes with the phone be able to utilize all the fast charge capability or are there better cables to buy?
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If I buy a QC 3.0 adapter, will the standard cable (USB c) that comes with the phone be able to utilize all the fast charge capability or are there better cables to buy?
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If the device natively supports fast charge, the stock cable "should" work, but some devices specifically require a fast charge cable and charger in order to use fast charge. Do some experimentation and you'll figure it out.
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Will Moto Edge support the newly announced Qualcomm Quick Charge 3+?
So far I know it supports 18 watts PD
I think I read that it supports TurboPower, which is Motorola's branding of QC3.
Here's their 18-watt TurboPower charger ... it's QuickCharge.
It might support USB-C PD as well, but I'm guessing it's QC3-capable.