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found an app called Location Cache Map in market and it seems from what it says that it prevents maps and other apps from setting location data on phone and clears map cache while still allowing full use of GPS functions. i tried it and it worked, though it takes an extra couple seconds to lock on.
seems to work. you can see your stored location data with it even if you dont want to block location cache. interested in hearing from others on if this seems to really be working.
Any aftermarket Rom do this.
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sure if ya delete maps or something. mine always still saved location data on my phone. this lets you use the functions without phone saving cache data. ive never seen this function on any rom ive used. but if so id like to know how and save some time.
Has anyone else tried this?
Google has always kept this type of information---even before android. It's in their terms and conditions. Honestly, anyone who doesn't want to give Google access to this information, shouldn't use their phone.
aczarney said:
Google has always kept this type of information---even before android. It's in their terms and conditions. Honestly, anyone who doesn't want to give Google access to this information, shouldn't use their phone.
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You should, at minimum, have the choice to turn it off and delete the data that is stored on your phone readily.
Let's get real, corporations have too much freedom when it comes to using us as pawns. It should be an option to opt out period. I use google stuff cause I like the way it works, they don't need my location for that.
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Google's been collecting information rather openly for years. I just don't get why people are surprised they are collecting it with their phones too. It was never really a secret. There's no option to turn it off simply because that's the terms and conditions for use of the phone--that Google is entitled to access to your location as well as other information regarding how you use your phone. It honestly is like they're watching your every move. If you don't want access given to Google for this information, don't use the phone. That's literally your only option, and legally, Google is completely backed up on that. Now apple, that's a different story. But Google has been doing these things ever since Google as a company was created, its actually part of what has allowed them to grow. To know how their services are used and how their users function more or less.
I could really care less. Ask yourself. What is Google going to do with your information besides direct ads based on you interest. As long as Google execs aren't going to come track me down, I could really care less what data they collect. If your worried about people collecting your data then don't ever buy anything off the internet or for that matter, don't ever use a credit card to make purchases.
read this. its a rant but its how it REALLY is.
Grammer and spelling errors warning!!!
its doesnt matter what they are going to do with it. i have a right to privacy. the more you look into your specfic settings for your google and gmail account, the more you'll see that a lot of what they ask for they don't tell you. they allow you to turn it off.... if you even know how to where to find it, or if you even know they are collecting it.
they keep much more than just location and basic data for ads. im not going to get into all of it because theres too much. go look for yourself.
basically these days to have a phone thats fun (smartphone) you are forced to choose iOS or Android. Both are bull**** when it comes to privacy. THATS WHY THEY ARE DEFENDING THERE ASSES IN COURT!!! Just the fact that it has gotten to the point of major national news shows that it isn't just nothing. $500 million lawsuits aren't to be taken lightly.
And it's not just my privacy. Many MANY apps and services including googles require access to many things that the app has absolutely no reason to have. theres a dev in the market called FREE WING go download his persmissions apps named after specific permissions example: READ_PHONE_STATE, it shows you some of what that permission pulls from your phone such as your name, device ID, phone number, contacts, and more. SMS permission had not just the ability to "tell if i get a text" but has, and records, everything that was said, who sent it, and their numbers. or go get an app called "Denied permissions" it will show you how many each app has and break them down and explain a little of how they work. then use it to look at Google Docs app permissions. it shouldn't have the ability to change,delete, modify my account passwords, and that's just one of its BS permissions.
any facebook app that uses facebook to as an alternative log in gives that app by DEFAULT the ability to read my contacts, status, my FRIENDS status and apps they are using, where they also go, their photos, mine, and more (go to the apps privacy settings on facebook to find this stuff). my friends apps one THEIR phone have access to MY personal information, just because we are associated in facebook. NOT COOL! Facebook just told its game devs a couple days ago that they had like a week or something to change their games to prevent 3rd party apps that are associated with their games from accessing or keeping their patrons information while they play their games.
basically it comes down to my information can be accessed by places i didn't give the OK to or even have heard of. google shares information with apps. try reading the privacy polices for apps sometime (go read AppPack's - Highlight app and T-mobile Mall's app privacy policies). its like the fine print that no one ever reads in contracts or car advertisements. its there but no one takes the time.
google used to be a damn search engine. now they own android, google, Google Chrome OS (just came out), admob, and more. im ok with ads. and them having info i know i asked them to hold on to. I can't imagine what dirt someone could find on someone running for president in 10 years. dirty pics from when someone texted them when they were 25, 18, 16. or their online diary they kept for some reason. things they said on a forum, damn i couldn't imagine my old myspace stuff. some of that could get me in to trouble. i was a party animal at the time. ya see where i'm going? wouldn't have posted that stuff 10 years ago if i had known what i know now.
theres enough info of ours unintentionally online and accessible. go google yourself. they don't need my location to boot
don't believe any of this then take some time to read what you are saying ok to. some privacy policies are like when in those cartoons (devil and daniel mouse) the devil asks you to sign a contract in your own blood, but you forgot their was stuff written on the back page.
But you don't have a right to privacy.....you agreed to the terms and conditions of Google's use when you began using your phone. You signed those rights to privacy away when you signed that Google account into your phone (which, in fact is where the agreement to the terms and conditions lie). You installed Google docs and said "yeah, its okay if this app has access to these things." You update your Google apps every release of a new version. Apple is having issues with this yes, but that's because it was never previously a part of their terms, and they were doing it without customers knowledge. Google is not having issues, will not have issues, and presented all that information to you upfront when you signed up for your Google account, well within your buyer's remorse. Likewise, they do have an option to opt out of "Location services" during most device's initial setup procedures. I bet if anyone sued Google, they wouldn't even prepare a case. They'd refer the judge to the terms of your Google account or those permissions you were okay with.
Bottom line, Yes you have your right to privacy. But you can't give away those rights away to Google or Facebook or whoever then complain about it. Those terms and conditions aren't just there for show, they create them for these specific reasons. It'd be like If I gave you my social security number, checking account number, and address and then was shocked when my identity was stolen and went to file a police report. Working for T-Mobile, I hear these types of arguments on a daily basis, but let me just say it hasn't once changed a thing. Once you agree to them, you can't change your mind until the terms are changed and presented to you again.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you like privacy, DO NOT USE A SMARTPHONE. You see, I use a smartphone because I could give two ****s less what Google has access to in my phone. There are only 9 numbers I don't want anyone having access to and lets be honest. I highly doubt Google is stealing our SS #'s.
A link to google and it's work it does for the NSA and CIA. They are more than a company pushing Internet mobile ads. Do not do anything with your phone that you do not want recorded and handed over to the government.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/188581/the_googlensa_alliance_questions_and_answers.html
Remember what google and others did to to people yearning for freedom in China.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/15/technology/15cnd-internet.html
Moderators PLEASE READ THIS THREAD BEFORE DELETING IT LIKE YOU DID THE LAST ONE
I did a couple of different searches on this board, looking for an alternative to gapps aka google apps. What viable alternatives to the google play store are there? google hangouts and google mail? I came across a thread discussion nogapps and the blank store that comes with it, but i'm not overly convinced that it lacks google's data mining processes.
I am not asking for sites that provide "pirated software" as I already know where to get that. I am asking for a "store" where I can search various phrases, and get a good return without those apps being relinked to google play store.
Have you tried the Amazon App Store? (Yes, they have Android apps)
Am I correct in assuming you are looking for a market that is completely separate from Google's servers? If privacy is your concern, you should know that all services that are provided for "free" employ some sort of data mining, because that is how they can afford to keep those services running. Since Google Play is the largest repository for Android apps, you would be hard pressed to find another service that hosts all of the same .apks, as that would seem redundant.
There simply is no viable alternative to the Play Store.
You can get alternatives, but they won't be nearly as good.
As for the rest of the gapps there are plenty of alternatives that are just fine or better.
Why are you so against gapps though? Washington doesn't care what apps you use.
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Even if the app doesn't mine your data, your ISP still does ...
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well there are plenty stores available on internet. if you are on android 4.1 and rooted then you can install NOKIA app store. well its tricky to use, you can find a apk on xda. when you install it just install aptitode market from there, though aptitode can be installed alone too. you can find almost all apps. but still google holds android that will mean they will have the maximum apps and secure and most updated apps. even developers always put latest updated apps on play store first. well i used wildfire which has no gpu so cpu has to do work for most of operations which makes slow and to overcome the low space on that phone i sometime skip the gapps. it depends if you want surveillance free android then go for other market apps.:silly:..google even know when you are walking. i read this on xda somewhere.:laugh:
choice is yours.
100s of stores are available nowadays...
Gmail alternate is aosp email
Maps run without email account...
What else u need?
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What else u need?
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A way to synchronize (not backup/restore) my contacts and calendars on the Internet (Mega, Dropbox, whatever...) to be shared among other devices. This is bare minimum.
Then, if I could also synchronize (again, not backup/restore)some system stuff like WiFi passwords, call logs, SMS/MMS, instant messaging stuff and some application settings, this would be an extra great feature.
Can you do it without GApps? If you know how to, please share!
I don't know if this idea will benefit the app devs. Getting rid of the play store is like taking away one of their BIGGEST market place. What do you think?
People wouldnt feel the need to seek alternatives if Google wasnt so hardcore with it
Like dam, is it really even reasonable to keep location tracking in the background 24/7 and 15 different types of loggers at once? You'd think those morons would understand how large of a percentage of their would-be-users would actually use more of their services if they didnt chose to make it an all or nothing affair. I literally use only the playstore, and because of whats needed for that I go ahead and utilize the sync. I would definitely be open to gmail, g+, etc. if they werent so retarted with it. Rant over.
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don't know if this idea will benefit the app devs. Getting rid of the play store is like taking away one of their BIGGEST market place. What do you think?
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I think more about my privacy than the app business.
I wish in could use something like CM with some synchronizing mechanism.
Unluckily for me I have a non-dumb-phone, a netbook and a desktop PC.
I use all three for work and would need some synchonization mechanism for calls, SMS and other stuff.
Do you have a suggestion in this direction?
I have read the opening post. So please remember that.
However, this kind of question will always lead to warez sites.... As it already has. And will continue to. And another thread asking same thing will lead to warez app responses yet again.
Google play store and Amazon are really the only ones that are legit and most other sites offer cracked versions of paid apps.
Obviously a website dedicated to Development and developers will not approve of most of the recommendations here, which I have deleted.
Please don't open another one of these threads. There's been enough answers provided already. So this thread is closed.
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Scoped storage introduced in Android 11 is good, but RESTRICTED Storage would be an even better option.
On Android, at the moment, apps that have access to internal storage for their own files, also have access to every other file in the system. This is not only a privacy risk, but also a security concern. With the introduction of Scoped Storage, some of that is being addressed. Yet, there is still scope for misuse if apps have malicious intent.
I would like to have a system where every app that needs access to a file must go through the built in file manager to prevent misuse. What that means is no app has permanent access to files that are not created by them, and can only access files each time with explicit user consent and interaction. This would completely address the privacy concerns with regards to files.
This is how the Files app in iOS is designed and is an extremely well thought out one. Let me illustrate with an example:
We all know how Facebook is notorious when it comes to privacy. Let's assume you have a Facebook account and the Facebook app is installed on your phone. If you want to share a picture on Facebook, you have to grant the app access to your internal storage. On Android, this effectively grants Facebook access to every file on your storage. Given the reputation, it won't be surprising if Facebook app scans all your pictures/ videos for its AI/ ML, or even uploads them without your knowledge.
On iOS, the permission screen looks like this:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
You have the choice of either granting permanent access (Option 1), or limit the access to just the file(s) you want (Option 2). This permission can be set per app.
On Android, it is essentially Option 1 alone. You have to grant access to the entire file system for you to be able to upload your pics to Facebook.
On iOS, you have the choice of uploading just the pic you want, without giving the app access to any other file in your internal storage. This is a huge privacy boon.
In this case, Facebook app has to make a request to the built in file manager (which obviously has access to every file in the system), and you browse your media library using the built-in file manager (with which the built-in Photos app is integrated) to grant access. Facebook app sees absolutely nothing. It only makes a query, and everything else is handled by the built-in file manager. So even without granting blanket access, you are able to upload the file you want!
Same holds true for every app. An app should only have permanent access to its own files, and not any other file. For access to any other file, the app has to go through the built-in file manager route and access only the file that the user wants it to see.
Alternatively, ALL folders will be 'Restricted' by default. However, users will have the option to selectively relax the restrictions (per folder) for one or more apps (under folder properties) to give just those apps full access.
Hope Google (and custom ROM makers) can design something like this keeping in mind the privacy needs of its users, and the abusive intents of large corporations and malicious actors.
Here is an app that achieves the objective defined above:
Storage Isolation
Load trusted, vetted apps only; you are what you load. Don't allow apps to update; they may pass Playstore security only to update latter installing their payload. Firewall block all apps that don't need an internet to do their job. Most don't need access once activated.
Never load social media or shopping apps on the device, they are malware and an ongoing high security risk. If the social media site can't be fully logged onto and accessed by browser, ditch it.
Nothing can protect you from yourself, actions have consequences.
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Load trusted, vetted apps only; you are what you load. Don't allow apps to update; they may pass Playstore security only to update latter installing their payload. Firewall block all apps that don't need an internet to do their job. Most don't need access once activated.
Never load social media or shopping apps on the device, they are malware and an ongoing high security risk. If the social media site can't be fully logged onto and accessed by browser, ditch it.
Nothing can protect you from yourself, actions have consequences.
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The implementation suggested above would address privacy concerns related to user files and I'm not sure why Google hasn't yet done so.
Buying a smartphone and limiting it's usability severely as you say isn't practical.
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The implementation suggested above would address privacy concerns related to user files and I'm not sure why Google hasn't yet done so.
Buying a smartphone and limiting it's usability severely as you say isn't practical.
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Why has Google or Samsung not integrated a native firewall to Android? I use Karma Firewall, it uses almost no battery. Unfortunately it's valuable logging feature doesn't work on Android 10 and higher. Works fine with Pie though. I have apps like the 6yo free version of WPS office that wouldn't load on 11, pleasantly surprised it loaded on 10. It has no drop in replacement today that's not cloud or free. I simply firewall block it so it doesn't want to update to the current paid version. Doesn't effect usability.
What Google did with scoped storage kills a lot of useful and trusted apps while giving a false sense of security. Hackers never sleep and will always find workarounds to get your data.
Google is one of the worst data miners and purveyors of disinformation, trust them?
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Why has Google or Samsung not integrated a native firewall to Android? I use Karma Firewall, it uses almost no battery. Unfortunately it's valuable logging feature doesn't work on Android 10 and higher. Works fine with Pie though. I have apps like the 6yo free version of WPS office that wouldn't load on 11, pleasantly surprised it loaded on 10. It has no drop in replacement today that's not cloud or free. I simply firewall block it so it doesn't want to update to the current paid version. Doesn't effect usability.
What Google did with scoped storage kills a lot of useful and trusted apps while giving a false sense of security. Hackers never sleep and will always find workarounds to get your data.
Google is one of the worst data miners and purveyors of disinformation, trust them?
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This is why I prefer Oxygen OS, Colour OS and MiUI, all of which offer a native firewall within their OS. Since OOS 12, Oxygen OS is now showing a popup everytime a blocked app is launched. This is extremely annoying.
Karma Firewall appears to be an abandoned project with no update. It isn't working properly on Android 12 and newer. Netguard is currently the best.
Giving the user ability to setup which folders/ files each app can access would greatly enhance privacy. Scoped Storage is a half baked implementation, even though something is better than nothing. The implementation suggested above will address many of the current shortcomings.
Nothing is foolproof or failsafe. But bringing in improvements is always welcome.
Google may be the biggest data miner, but unfortunately their apps and services do not have competing alternatives. Users have to make lots of compromises when choosing alternatives.
The other reason I prefer Google/ Microsoft apps is because they help me be platform independent, since their apps are also available on iOS, Windows and Mac.
Mind sharing that cloud free version of WPS?
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This is why I prefer Oxygen OS, Colour OS and MiUI, all of which offer a native firewall within their OS. Since OOS 12, Oxygen OS is now showing a popup everytime a blocked app is launched. This is extremely annoying.
Karma Firewall appears to be an abandoned project with no update. It isn't working properly on Android 12 and newer. Netguard is currently the best.
Giving the user ability to setup which folders/ files each app can access would greatly enhance privacy. Scoped Storage is a half baked implementation, even though something is better than nothing. The implementation suggested above will address many of the current shortcomings.
Nothing is foolproof or failsafe. But bringing in improvements is always welcome.
Google may be the biggest data miner, but unfortunately their apps and services do not have competing alternatives. Users have to make lots of compromises when choosing alternatives.
The other reason I prefer Google/ Microsoft apps is because they help me be platform independent, since their apps are also available on iOS, Windows and Mac.
Mind sharing that cloud free version of WPS?
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Developers come and go. Karma Firewall is great app. After what Google did with scoped stoirage I don't blame them for bailing.
I have nothing against added security per se but it should be an option if it causes loss of functionality or uses resources. Knox is another one I hate. Gmail is the only Google app I regularly use. All my apps are backed up as installable copies on the data drive so no Playstore needed to reload. Completely self contained and self sufficient.
Make sure you firewall block it. It may not load on 11 or higher. To save docs you may have to play with it a bit but it will create, modify and save Word (doc x too) documents. More versions are found on APKmirror. About 81.37mb installed.
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Developers come and go. Karma Firewall is great app. After what Google did with scoped stoirage I don't blame them for bailing.
I have nothing against added security per se but it should be an option if it causes loss of functionality or uses resources. Knox is another one I hate. Gmail is the only Google app I regularly use. All my apps are backed up as installable copies on the data drive so no Playstore needed to reload. Completely self contained and self sufficient.
Make sure you firewall block it. It may not load on 11 or higher. To save docs you may have to play with it a bit but it will create, modify and save Word (doc x too) documents. More versions are found on APKmirror. About 81.37mb installed.
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I was using Karma, until it stopped working reliably. So went back to Netguard which is really good, and with some very useful feature not available in Karma.
Where do you install new apps from? APK backups help in going back to an older version. But for newer versions, you need Google Play Store, unless you are happy with apkmirror or similar.
I have a MS 365 subscription, so this is just a backup of a clean version of WPS, whose newer version destroys all context menus by showing up everywhere. I wish Android provided a way to customise context menus as well as share menus.
Thanks for the apk though.
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I was using Karma, until it stopped working reliably. So went back to Netguard which is really good, and with some very useful feature not available in Karma.
Where do you install new apps from? APK backups help in going back to an older version. But for newer versions, you need Google Play Store, unless you are happy with apkmirror or similar.
I have a MS 365 subscription, so this is just a backup of a clean version of WPS, whose newer version destroys all context menus by showing up everywhere. I wish Android provided a way to customise context menus as well as share menus.
Thanks for the apk though.
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That's one reason this N10+ is still running on Pie. I've been wanting to try out netguard.
Rarely from Playstore. I try not to same apps as they can potentially damage the system or worse. Some of my copies date back 6 years, most 2-3, many over the years from Playstore. They run well. Playstore also uses battery, every bit counts.
I do a few side loads that are always scanned with online Virustotal. If they look even a little iffy I don't install them. I use F-Droid too. No issues with the side loaded apps, yet...
You're welcome. I get tired of renting apps and a capable office app is absolutely essential.
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That's one reason this N10+ is still running on Pie. I've been wanting to try out netguard.
Rarely from Playstore. I try not to same apps as they can potentially damage the system or worse. Some of my copies date back 6 years, most 2-3, many over the years from Playstore. They run well. Playstore also uses battery, every bit counts.
I do a few side loads that are always scanned with online Virustotal. If they look even a little iffy I don't install them. I use F-Droid too. No issues with the side loaded apps, yet...
You're welcome. I get tired of renting apps and a capable office app is absolutely essential.
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Netguard is very good, actually much better than Karma (it will reactivate itself if the OS kills it, automatically blocks new apps, etc). The one very good thing about Karma is that it has no internet permissions. But Netguard says it doesn't collect any data or track anything.
Personally, i prefer to have the latest versions of both OS and apps, so I'm surprised that you are not updating the OS just to use an app, especially when a better alternative is already available.
I too have sideloaded a few apps (after checking them on VirusTotal), but i stick with Google Play Store mostly. It is rare that an update breaks something or takes away a useful feature, so this works for me. Besides, i do keep a backup of the important APKs with me, should it be required.
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Netguard is very good, actually much better than Karma (it will reactivate itself if the OS kills it, automatically blocks new apps, etc). The one very good thing about Karma is that it has no internet permissions. But Netguard says it doesn't collect any data or track anything.
Personally, i prefer to have the latest versions of both OS and apps, so I'm surprised that you are not updating the OS just to use an app, especially when a better alternative is already available.
I too have sideloaded a few apps (after checking them on VirusTotal), but i stick with Google Play Store mostly. It is rare that an update breaks something or takes away a useful feature, so this works for me. Besides, i do keep a backup of the important APKs with me, should it be required.
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Rule #1 - if an OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission, let it be!
Upgrades/updates can and do break things. It's mostly all play time with this old load. No surprises, it just runs. I spent a lot of time optimizing it and changing the firmware or updating apps changes my manicured playing field into a sinkhole of trouble.
Android 11, 12, and 13 bring nothing I want to the table and are trying to steal the silverware. Google seeks to stay relevant like the lame big sister it is. Their improvements don't make my device run better or even any more secure but they do waste my time. Plus I don't like the way it looks. It's the smell.
TheMystic said:
Scoped storage introduced in Android 11 is good, but RESTRICTED Storage would be an even better option.
On Android, at the moment, apps that have access to internal storage for their own files, also have access to every other file in the system. This is not only a privacy risk, but also a security concern. With the introduction of Scoped Storage, some of that is being addressed. Yet, there is still scope for misuse if apps have malicious intent.
I would like to have a system where every app that needs access to a file must go through the built in file manager to prevent misuse. What that means is no app has permanent access to files that are not created by them, and can only access files each time with explicit user consent and interaction. This would completely address the privacy concerns with regards to files.
This is how the Files app in iOS is designed and is an extremely well thought out one. Let me illustrate with an example:
We all know how Facebook is notorious when it comes to privacy. Let's assume you have a Facebook account and the Facebook app is installed on your phone. If you want to share a picture on Facebook, you have to grant the app access to your internal storage. On Android, this effectively grants Facebook access to every file on your storage. Given the reputation, it won't be surprising if Facebook app scans all your pictures/ videos for its AI/ ML, or even uploads them without your knowledge.
On iOS, the permission screen looks like this:
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You have the choice of either granting permanent access (Option 1), or limit the access to just the file(s) you want (Option 2). This permission can be set per app.
On Android, it is essentially Option 1 alone. You have to grant access to the entire file system for you to be able to upload your pics to Facebook.
On iOS, you have the choice of uploading just the pic you want, without giving the app access to any other file in your internal storage. This is a huge privacy boon.
In this case, Facebook app has to make a request to the built in file manager (which obviously has access to every file in the system), and you browse your media library using the built-in file manager (with which the built-in Photos app is integrated) to grant access. Facebook app sees absolutely nothing. It only makes a query, and everything else is handled by the built-in file manager. So even without granting blanket access, you are able to upload the file you want!
Same holds true for every app. An app should only have permanent access to its own files, and not any other file. For access to any other file, the app has to go through the built-in file manager route and access only the file that the user wants it to see.
Alternatively, ALL folders will be 'Restricted' by default. However, users will have the option to selectively relax the restrictions (per folder) for one or more apps (under folder properties) to give just those apps full access.
Hope Google (and custom ROM makers) can design something like this keeping in mind the privacy needs of its users, and the abusive intents of large corporations and malicious actors.
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So lol
blackhawk said:
Rule #1 - if an OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission, let it be!
Upgrades/updates can and do break things. It's mostly all play time with this old load. No surprises, it just runs. I spent a lot of time optimizing it and changing the firmware or updating apps changes my manicured playing field into a sinkhole of trouble.
Android 11, 12, and 13 bring nothing I want to the table and are trying to steal the silverware. Google seeks to stay relevant like the lame big sister it is. Their improvements don't make my device run better or even any more secure but they do waste my time. Plus I don't like the way it looks. It's the smell.
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Updates also bring in security improvements, along with the excitement of new and improved features. I always install them when available, with very rare exceptions.
Ideally, they shouldn't require users to make any changes to their setup, and that has also largely been my personal experience.
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Updates also bring in security improvements, along with the excitement of new and improved features. I always install them when available, with very rare exceptions.
Ideally, they shouldn't require users to make any changes to their setup, and that has also largely been my personal experience.
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Unfortunately that is more marketing hype than fact. One reason I run this N10+ on Pie with no updates is to test that statement. This 3yo device and firmware is a cleaner running and a more capable device than the S22U. How can that be? Poor design from both Samsung and Google Android.
I use to always buy new cars, but I learned better and the folly of my ways 25 years ago as new car quality steadily declined. Now Android is reminding me of that bs. For over a $1G it better out perform my N10+ in every especially with SOT and storage. It should be lighter and slimmer. Yes, well...
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Unfortunately that is more marketing hype than fact. One reason I run this N10+ on Pie with no updates is to test that statement. This 3yo device and firmware is a cleaner running and a more capable device than the S22U. How can that be? Poor design from both Samsung and Google Android.
I use to always buy new cars, but I learned better and the folly of my ways 25 years ago as new car quality steadily declined. Now Android is reminding me of that bs. For over a $1G it better out perform my N10+ in every especially with SOT and storage. It should be lighter and slimmer. Yes, well...
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There are definitive improvements in hardware: CPU, GPU, RAM, Storage, etc. And most importantly the Cameras. The cameras on the S22U are really very good.
I don't have too many complaints with this device, except for the recent battery drain which I hope to solve.
I don't agree with your used car statement, unless you buy one from someone you know has taken care of it very well. Newer cars are definitely more safe than the old cars, both in terms of material used and in terms of safety features. Lighter alloys can be stronger and safer than heavier metals, so don't go by how strong a material feels.
But it is also true that companies are increasingly designing products that would fail within a certain time period, and this applies to gadgets, consumer durables, components used, etc.
It comes down to your experience over the useful life of the product that the company designs them for. And this is the area where newer products usually excel.
TheMystic said:
There are definitive improvements in hardware: CPU, GPU, RAM, Storage, etc. And most importantly the Cameras. The cameras on the S22U are really very good.
I don't have too many complaints with this device, except for the recent battery drain which I hope to solve.
I don't agree with your used car statement, unless you buy one from someone you know has taken care of it very well. Newer cars are definitely more safe than the old cars, both in terms of material used and in terms of safety features. Lighter alloys can be stronger and safer than heavier metals, so don't go by how strong a material feels.
But it is also true that companies are increasingly designing products that would fail within a certain time period, and this applies to gadgets, consumer durables, components used, etc.
It comes down to your experience over the useful life of the product that the company designs them for. And this is the area where newer products usually excel.
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The SOC is faster, has better bandwidth and is more capable as is the ram, but is only marginally faster by milliseconds for most tasks.
The battery is huge but it gets significantly less SOT
The display can run brighter, but because of variable refresh rate it lacks the color/gamma accuracy/calibration of the N10+. It's pixels will suffer if used at higher brightness levels, they aren't immune to that.
No expandable storage means no 1tb dual (data) drive and no onboard redundancy. 5G isn't as useful as it was hyped up to be in practice and is less efficient for many tasks. It's still power hungry even today.
Its all about balance, functionality and form factor, something Samsung has forgotten how to do. They are completely hype driven now and their insanity is showing. The components look like great but the result doesn't equal the sum of the parts. It even doesn't exceed the N10+/Pie is some important specs.
The N10+ running on Pie is snappy fast, get great SOT/screen off times, has maybe the best display there is in terms of color accuracy etc, more storage that doesn't get wiped in a crash or factory reset. It's a powerful but well balanced device that's a reliable joy to use and weighs 30gms less. The N10+ is also cool running, I can use it for web browsing at 98F ambient for hours with no cooling without it overheating. Upper operating range is 102F ambient at which point I either cool it or stop using it.
Steel is still the best crash material for absorbing massive amounts of impact energy and maintaining it's integrity. I take a 89 Volvo 240 wagon in a crash of any type vs a newer car.
Even has no damage 5 mph impact no damage bumpers. Rock solid, reliable, easy to work on and gets at least 20 mpg no matter how you drive it. Best of all they're easy and fun to drive.
Or
A 89 F-250 Super Suspension 4×2 with a International naturally aspirated diesel with a C6. Fast off the line, minimum 20 mpg.
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I would like to have a system where every app that needs access to a file must go through the built in file manager to prevent misuse. What that means is no app has permanent access to files that are not created by them, and can only access files each time with explicit user consent and interaction. This would completely address the privacy concerns with regards to files.
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Glad to note that this is finally coming on Android 14.
I had made a post on this in Oct'20, and it is almost 2.5 years since then. Better late than never.
(Not sure if this is the proper forum, I never understood the massive split here at XDA)
I recently discovered that the Google version of this apps includes the ability to schedule the focus mode and to pause it momentarily, which makes it perfect to avoid being distracted by the phone constantly.
Of course, for some reason, Samsung's version of it doesn't include those features. I was able to install the Google app through APKMirror but it simply doesn't start. There is no error message of any kind. I don't really know the Android app and system development process so I don't how Samsung is preventing it from running or Google has banned it from doing it (The manifest? I don't know).
I tried disabling the built-in Samsung app, but it didn't work.
Is there anything that can be done? Can I maybe see the system logs when trying to open the Google version through ADB? (I'm not rooted)
I hope you scanned that download...
What do you wish to do specifically?
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I hope you scanned that download...
What do you wish to do specifically?
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I didn't scan it... Do you mean with an anti-virus?
I have always thought APKMirror is legit.
I want to be able to use https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.wellbeing which can't be installed on my phone, and when side-loaded, it doesn't run.
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I didn't scan it... Do you mean with an anti-virus?
I have always thought APKMirror is legit.
I want to be able to use https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.wellbeing which can't be installed on my phone, and when side-loaded, it doesn't run.
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Not as trusted as Playstore. Side loading is always an extra risk. At least scan the download online with Virustotal.
I meant your end goal ie the ability to do what functions?
Just to see your usage stats?
I blew that apk off the first day I had my 10+... I'll take my digital chances. I find it decidedly creepy as the mentality behind it.
I pretty much lock down data mining Gookill as much as possible.
With Google you're not the customer, you're the product. Consider the implications with that truism... very little is for free especially with Google.
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Not as trusted as Playstore. Side loading is always an extra risk. At least scan the download online with Virustotal.
I meant your end goal ie the ability to do what functions?
Just to see your usage stats?
I blew that apk off the first day I had my 10+... I'll take my digital chances. I find it decidedly creepy as the mentality behind it.
I pretty much lock down data mining Gookill as much as possible.
With Google you're not the customer, you're the product. Consider the implications with that truism... very little is for free especially with Google.
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I want to use the Focus Mode functionality with the features they added recently, that allow you to schedule turning it on and off, and pausing it momentarily. This will allow me to only receive notifications at given times during the day and avoid distractions.
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I want to use the Focus Mode functionality with the features they added recently, that allow you to schedule turning it on and off, and pausing it momentarily. This will allow me to only receive notifications at given times during the day and avoid distractions.
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Samsung has Digital Wellbeing but I can't remember what it can do.
Bixby can also be used to set routines and rules.
Do Not Disturb can be customized as well and is probably your best bet, least invasive/battery consuming option.
Google apps are nothing but trouble. Google is constantly screwing them up to the point were I still run Gmaps and Gmail in their factory load albeit heavily restricted. Playstore is usually disable as well Google play Services.
Google backup Transport, Firebase and Framework are always disabled.
Trashware. My Note 10+ runs some much better without it even if I need to do an extra step or two to work around Gookill's junk... it's worth it.
Get out of my way big sister Google...
blackhawk said:
Not as trusted as Playstore. Side loading is always an extra risk. At least scan the download online with Virustotal.
I meant your end goal ie the ability to do what functions?
Just to see your usage stats?
I blew that apk off the first day I had my 10+... I'll take my digital chances. I find it decidedly creepy as the mentality behind it.
I pretty much lock down data mining Gookill as much as possible.
With Google you're not the customer, you're the product. Consider the implications with that truism... very little is for free especially with Google.
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Can you share you settings or tools used to lock down data mining?
Hello.
I plan to turn my phone as "dumb" as possible, leaving only apps that are absolutely necessary and practical, essentially making my phone as minimalistic, simple and distraction free while at the same time maximizing the hurdle to install new apps due to the lack of willpower aswell as the general battery life.
I have the POCO F1 with LineageOS 19.1, root is currently enabled via Magisk.
I considered just buying a regular dumb phone, but unfortunately I do not feel they are worth it; plus I'd want to still use Spotify.
I'd greatly appreciate ideas/solutions for this particular project. Thank you in advance!
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Hello.
I plan to turn my phone as "dumb" as possible, leaving only apps that are absolutely necessary and practical, essentially making my phone as minimalistic, simple and distraction free while at the same time maximizing the hurdle to install new apps due to the lack of willpower aswell as the general battery life.
I have the POCO F1 with LineageOS 19.1, root is currently enabled via Magisk.
I considered just buying a regular dumb phone, but unfortunately I do not feel they are worth it; plus I'd want to still use Spotify.
I'd greatly appreciate ideas/solutions for this particular project. Thank you in advance!
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What you'd like to do isn't really "dumbing down" XD - it is simply making a "barebones Android" phone with only the apps/functions you need without usual bloat that comes preinstalled on the new devices. This is in fact something a lot of people on XDA are passionate about, as it helps optimize for space, speed, battery life and privacy.
For the Android phone to be considered usable in modern day and age, it needs a handful of apps:
Dialer
SMS messenger
Contacts
File manager
Gallery
Clock
Calendar
Calculator
Web browser
Camera
Installing vanilla LineageOS rom (or any other rom with no GoogleApps) will give you this default Android experience. For 99% of tasks that do not involve Google this is enough.
However, most people want something more than just a dialer, and so phone manufacturers pre-install some other stuff for them: Google (play store, chrome, maps, drive, mail), Payment (Samsung Pay), Gallery/Music apps, social media apps, fancy wallpapers etc. This is what makes the phone "smart" for you, I guess?
In case you want to cut it down further, you can use adb to remove certain apps from this list. This includes certain system apps too, like unnecessary fonts or accessibility services (web search is your friend here). Theoretically the phone can serve as a GSM calling brick only with the following:
Dialer
SMS messenger
Contacts
But then you'd be doing the hardware a misservice - why lug around Octa-core 8GB RAM 4000mAh HD TFT6.1" 999GB device if you could achieve the same with a Nokia 1100 or 3310? These are still being sold
UPDATE: Just saw your additions about Spotify. If you only want to use the phone for Calling/Web browsing/YouTube/Spotify, go with the "Install No GApps LineageOS -> Sideload apps you need and nothing else".
Word of WARNING though: a lot of popular messaging/steraming/quality of life (maps) apps APSOLUTELY DEPEND on google ecosystem (i.e. GApps like google play, google play services and google services framework).
WITHOUT GOOGLE THESE APPS WILL LIKELY CRASH or won't work as intended. I.e. Whatsapp will not give you "New message" notifications and will not ring UNLESS you have it open in your face right when the call comes in. Delivery/Ride sharing apps that need google maps will not show you the map. Facebook messenger will has the same problem as Whatsapp. List of risks is far too long, and you will need to have an idea of whether the app requires google and whatsnot.
Therefore Make absolutely sure that barebones phone is what you want. If it is, a lot of apps that reliably work with the barebones setups can be found on Fdroid.
Despite having "dumb" in the name, this procedure requires one to be amazingly smart about it
To conclude, you have the following ways of achieving this:
1. Install no-Gapps (i.e. "vanilla") lineageOs, delete what you wont need, sideload .apk of apps you are after
2. Install stock android rom, then Degoogle and Debloat it. Guides for your particular model can be found here on XDA
3. Install SlimROM, a custom Android distro whose developers had the same idea as you did, i.e. optimized for simplicity.
Totesnochill said:
What you'd like to do isn't really "dumbing down" XD - it is simply making a "barebones Android" phone with only the apps/functions you need without usual bloat that comes preinstalled on the new devices. This is in fact something a lot of people on XDA are passionate about, as it helps optimize for space, speed, battery life and privacy.
For the Android phone to be considered usable in modern day and age, it needs a handful of apps:
Dialer
SMS messenger
Contacts
File manager
Gallery
Clock
Calendar
Calculator
Web browser
Camera
Installing vanilla LineageOS rom (or any other rom with no GoogleApps) will give you this default Android experience. For 99% of tasks that do not involve Google this is enough.
However, most people want something more than just a dialer, and so phone manufacturers pre-install some other stuff for them: Google (play store, chrome, maps, drive, mail), Payment (Samsung Pay), Gallery/Music apps, social media apps, fancy wallpapers etc. This is what makes the phone "smart" for you, I guess?
In case you want to cut it down further, you can use adb to remove certain apps from this list. This includes certain system apps too, like unnecessary fonts or accessibility services (web search is your friend here). Theoretically the phone can serve as a GSM calling brick only with the following:
Dialer
SMS messenger
Contacts
But then you'd be doing the hardware a misservice - why lug around Octa-core 8GB RAM 4000mAh HD TFT6.1" 999GB device if you could achieve the same with a Nokia 1100 or 3310? These are still being sold
UPDATE: Just saw your additions about Spotify. If you only want to use the phone for Calling/Web browsing/YouTube/Spotify, go with the "Install No GApps LineageOS -> Sideload apps you need and nothing else".
Word of WARNING though: a lot of popular messaging/steraming/quality of life (maps) apps APSOLUTELY DEPEND on google ecosystem (i.e. GApps like google play, google play services and google services framework).
WITHOUT GOOGLE THESE APPS WILL LIKELY CRASH or won't work as intended. I.e. Whatsapp will not give you "New message" notifications and will not ring UNLESS you have it open in your face right when the call comes in. Delivery/Ride sharing apps that need google maps will not show you the map. Facebook messenger will has the same problem as Whatsapp. List of risks is far too long, and you will need to have an idea of whether the app requires google and whatsnot.
Therefore Make absolutely sure that barebones phone is what you want. If it is, a lot of apps that reliably work with the barebones setups can be found on Fdroid.
Despite having "dumb" in the name, this procedure requires one to be amazingly smart about it
To conclude, you have the following ways of achieving this:
1. Install no-Gapps (i.e. "vanilla") lineageOs, delete what you wont need, sideload .apk of apps you are after
2. Install stock android rom, then Degoogle and Debloat it. Guides for your particular model can be found here on XDA
3. Install SlimROM, a custom Android distro whose developers had the same idea as you did, i.e. optimized for simplicity.
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This is really interesting. I am thinking of trying to do this with a Google pixel 4a. Would I be able to do the lineage OS with that? I haven't found other threads that speak on this topic, am I right? Thinking that I would like to customize exactly what apps I have on the phone etc.
LineageOS for Google Pixel 4a exists:
LineageOS Downloads
download.lineageos.org