Well the previews looks to be a massive disappointment:
- non removable battery
- glass body (so sick of this I don't give a crap about slow wireless charging I cannot believe people can't be bothered to use a freaking cable) slow wireless charging isn't worth the fragile glass design.
- the second screen looks to be absent (unless it's cleverly blended into the primary screen)
I knew that the success of the g6 would ruin the v series uniqueness. What is everyone's thoughts of the leaks that have been released so far?
The only reason I've been with LG is because they have features other phones don't have and LG wasn't afraid to experiment. Now they've decided to be like every other phone so there isn't much reason to stick with LG anymore.
My next upgrade may very well be a mid range phone (after I feel like I am done with my v20 which won't be for years) in order to get a removable battery.
They've effectively killed any unique feature over the g series and they mind as well get rid of it if they're just going to carbon copy the features from the g6. With the g6+ featuring the quad DAC is there really even a reason for the v series to be around?
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Yes there is a reason. V20 was the first shipping with Android N and most likely they use the V30 to be firstest, again, with Android O. And I think it's the first LG phone shipping with the Snapdragon 835. And the first flagship with OLED screen. (There was an experiment phone , the Flex 2 which had P-OLED ) So the V30 will have a AMOLED most likely?
So yeah, many reasons.
Still not sure if the V30 can take such heavy drops as my V20, durability is one of its main advantages.
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I was excited for a possible long-term replacement for my V20 with a slide-out second screen. Call it gimmicky or unessacary, I thought the Joan was promising, if only for it's ability to have the keyboard on the secondary display. Now the release has confirmed there won't be a removable battery (which I would have traded for, at a pinch, the slide-out display and some degree of ease of repair) - a nonsensical glass body and not even the ticker display the V20 has? Why would I buy this? It's basically a S8. Bad show LG. The G6 looks like it was trying to one-up the S8 before it's release, and it failed to do so. Looks like LG's trying the same thing with the V30 and the Note 8. Well they've lost my interest.
I am a huge fan of the V series from LG. If the V30 implements the full capabilities of the ESS DAC (native DSD playback rather then down converting it), I will make the T-Jump. The removal battery is very nice but QC 4.0 does offer some attractive benefits. https://www.qualcomm.com/news/onq/2...five-minutes-charging-five-hours-battery-life
Rooted v20 or stock v30. The future cloudy.
meh. the v30 doesn't look good. I'm gonna look at the next pixel probably.
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meh. the v30 doesn't look good. I'm gonna look at the next pixel probably.
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since xda and my v20 just ****ed up a long post I'll just say, "the v30 is probably the base for the pixel XL 2".
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Well the previews looks to be a massive disappointment:
- non removable battery
- glass body (so sick of this I don't give a crap about slow wireless charging I cannot believe people can't be bothered to use a freaking cable) slow wireless charging isn't worth the fragile glass design.
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Agree 100%, a completely glass phone is a joke. Nothing more than another cash grab from the phone manufacturer's for you to break your phone easier. I always throw a thick OtterBox on my phone so I couldn't care less how "sexy" the phone looks.
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I am a huge fan of the V series from LG. If the V30 implements the full capabilities of the ESS DAC (native DSD playback rather then down converting it), I will make the T-Jump. The removal battery is very nice but QC 4.0 does offer some attractive benefits. https://www.qualcomm.com/news/onq/2...five-minutes-charging-five-hours-battery-life
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The issue for me is smart phones are peaking the advancements are slowing down so the appeal of keeping a phone longer is more desireable.
The first component to fail assuming there isn't a defect in your hardware is the battery. The capacity is all but guaranteed to be reduced after two years. Allowing battery replacements allows for the phone to last longer without breaking the bank.
If you're lucky you can send your phone in and get a battery replacement from the company but it's inconvenient and companies love to charge 80 to 100 to get it replaced and even then there are no guarantees that your data or phone won't get lost plus not having a phone for a week or longer isn't acceptable when you need your phone for business and emergencies.
Second reason, most important to me, is the ability to use extended batteries. I currently use an extended battery that no matter what I do on my phone I don't have to charge it during the day I usually end up at 40 to 50 percent at the end of the day, no factory phone can compete.
QC4 sounds good but the nature of the beast is heat kills batteries; qc4 flows even more juice at a time the heat will be higher and thus will have a negative effect on battery longevity.
Further I feel with the ridiculous price hikes Samsung and Apple plan/are on doing (LG thankfully has remained competitive in this field thus far) this behavior is even more unacceptable, I will not pay over 1000 for a phone where battery life deteriorates after 2 years.
Only way I'll go non removable is if the capacity is high enough to not require 2 charges per day (mid day and night), so probably around 4200 to 4600 mah.
I am keeping my v20 for another year so I'll see what's offered then but sadly removable batteries are a dying breed thanks to greed. Midrange phones generally have removable batteries still and I may just have to do that to keep this vital feature.
The only phones that have interested me were the v series and Note series; note 8 looks to be the most expensive phone for no reason at all and the v30 looks to rid the two of the three best features of the phone (2nd screen, removable battery)
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I think I'd keep V20 as long as possible, and V20 can be the last LG phone for me.
I loved the Note line, so what got me to leave it for the V20 was the removable battery and second display. I've really enjoyed everything about the v20, and I planned to buy the V30 and stick with LG. But, since LG decided to strip those desirable features from the V30, I see a Note 8 in my future
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I am a huge fan of the V series from LG. If the V30 implements the full capabilities of the ESS DAC (native DSD playback rather then down converting it), I will make the T-Jump. The removal battery is very nice but QC 4.0 does offer some attractive benefits. https://www.qualcomm.com/news/onq/2...five-minutes-charging-five-hours-battery-life
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That's awesome, love every upgrade of QC adds something mind blowing.
Whike reason I bought this was for the removable battery, if not for that then I'd get note 8.
There's a reason I bought the V20. And that reason is the removable battery and SD Micro slot. Take those away and there's no reason for me to limit myself to LG.
OK, technically that's two reasons...
The V20 was a wake up call and the last phone I'll spend serious money on. The phone market is flooded with cheap gimmicks and even when a phone aims itself towards a real purpose (the best phone DAC on the market in this example) the shoddy plastic everything (not literally don't tell me it's made out of aluminum. I know I own one) quality makes it far more worth it to just get a DAP. I've had to replace the headphone jack twice and the micro mount is already starting to show symptoms of failure. Four months to fall apart. My Fiio E18 took a year of near daily use, plugged-in in jeans pockets, thrown into my car, etc etc, that microUSB port has taken a ****in beating... A YEAR before I had to replace any ports.
A stagnant technology competing for the money of a population that doesn't care about quality. I'm almost at the point of going back to landline because I don't get eat trash just because it's the only thing around.
Hope LG make the V series as it is, not going with G series direction. We'll see what V30 bring.
Without the removable battery I'd have to go with the (next) Pixel, Mi Max 2 (5300 non removable battery), Note 8 or the OnePlus 5- But... I just bought my V20 last week with 3 more batteries. I just upgraded my V10 to Nougat/rooted and my son is still rocking my old Note 3 (just ordered 3 new batteries). They all work great. With much of the evolution in flagships not necessary to get enormous improvements in enjoyment from these devices, as long as I can get and easily insert new batteries, we'll keep rockin'-on with these. We will wait for a new, removable battery phone. It will come. It will come...
V30? Boooooooo!
I think LG V30 will be a huge success. What I have observed so far is LG gives everything possible to V series. G series is mostly for experiment purpose. This time around we got even huge upgrade as compare to previous year. Snapdragon 835 processor, bigger screen and the best of all oled display. Eagerly waiting for V30 ??
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I am planning on get the 64GB model with stock black cover (will put case on it so do not care about customizing). The main concern is the battery life, in spite of the overall great features and price.
1. Fixed 3000mah battery powering a 5.7" 1440p LCD
2. Motorola touting the Moto X has the fastest charging in the world, but no mention of battery life (seems like crutch talk for weak battery life)
3. In spite of a fixed battery design and only 3000mah, the device is .14" thicker than the Note 5 that also has a 3000mah battery. This would suggest the LCD panel is not very efficient in design.
If the device actually releases in some markets on September 3rd, we should see a Display Mate review around then. It will be interesting to see how the display performs and the power it uses.
Added: I have been searching to see if there is some newer LCD tech with better power efficiency, but not found none so far. Motorola might have gone a stock LCD route to get the price point.
Motorola say that the Moto X Play has upto 48hr battery and the Style has upto 30hr.
Sounds good enought to me BUT obvs we wont know for sure until its released and out in public as the Manufactures numbers are always optimised and not real usage stats.
Yeah, I saw that and really is for phone and average text use only. That was another thing that concerned me. The display screen time is my concern and where I am afraid the display might be a much higher battery drainer than the Note 4, yet alone the more efficient Note 5 display.
My guesstimate is at least two hours less screen on time than the Note 4 (almost 3 less than Note 5), which would be a no buy for me with a fixed battery device. Even LG is bailing from LCD and investing heavily now into OLED going forward. Catch is for Moto is they have no in-house display tech like LG and Samsung.
Yeah as someone said on here Motorola are at the mercy of screen manufacturers ... i.e they got older AMOLED tech from Samsung for the last Moto X not suprising as Samsung obvs want to standout with their phones.
Curious who make the Motos screens this year.
I get your concerns but in all honesty the SOT doesnt bother me anymore mainly because of the turbo charging capabilities. I know if I need extra juice I can get it VERY quickly.
I'm used to my S3 so anything is an upgrade tbh but obvs people with newer phones (like youself I assume you have the Note 4) already have fast charging capabilities, for me its ganna be a nice new experience (I hope haha).
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I wouldn't be too worried since people were able to get 4-5 hrs SOT out of the lousy 2300 mAh in the X 2014; I'm also a bit concerned about the power consumption of that (useless) 1440p, but a 700 mAh bump coupled with moto's optimisation makes me trust them, even without those "battery saving" (performance-killing) modes found in samdungs.
I really don't think Motorola would go that far and release a < 4 hours SOT phone, that would be a cannon ball to the foot!
Brazilians Moto X Play owners say It easily gets 6-7 hours SOT and that's damn good to me and makes me think that Moto get the balance right this time
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I really don't think Motorola would go that far and release a < 4 hours SOT phone, that would be a cannon ball to the foot!
Brazilians Moto X Play owners say It easily gets 6-7 hours SOT and that's damn good to me and makes me think that Moto get the balance right this time
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Bare in mind Play has a much bigger battery compared to Style.
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Even LG is bailing from LCD and investing heavily now into OLED going forward.
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Where did you read this? The LCD on the G4 looks better than OLED to me plus it is very efficient with battery life. Plus no burn in! I would much prefer LCD so I'm glad they are including it on the new Moto.
"LG Display Co., a supplier to Apple Inc., plans to invest about 10 trillion won ($8.5 billion) over the next three years to develop next-generation screens to reverse slowing growth and gain an edge over competitors.
LG Display will shift its investment focus to screens powered by tiny organic light-emitting diodes, or OLEDs, the Seoul-based company said in an e-mailed statement Monday. The world’s largest maker of liquid crystal displays is betting on growth in demand for advanced displays, including foldable screens, for wearable devices, cars and televisions. "
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...spend-8-5-billion-on-future-screen-technology
moto g is 24 hours of mixed usage according to their site. If they're saying the moto x has better battery life (30 hours of mixed usage) we might be in luck.
1. I think the device most similar to the moto x style that is currently on the market is the g4. 3000mAh, sd 808, lcd, 1440p etc and it is able to get 4-5 hrs of sot. I has a slightly smaller screen but a heavier skin so I would expect to see the style get around the same sot
2. Regarding battery life talk samsung did pretty much the same thing praising fast wireless charging and turbo charging
3. I think it is unfair to compare thickness btw the note 5 and the moto x style. the note 5 is largely flat while the moto x is curved . At its thinnest point it is 6.1mm and at its thickest it is 11.6mm. I think this was done to improve ergonomics than than an inefficient lcd panel.
I think one of reasons Motorola moved away from amoled is the amount of burn in issues they had from older samsung oled panels that they were using. I think Oled is definitely the future but if they cannot get great amoled panels then they should get great lcd panels. At least I hope that is what they did. We will see once reviews come out for it
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Bare in mind Play has a much bigger battery compared to Style.
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You're right, but the real power efficiency of a 28 nm octa seems questionable to me. I may be too optimistic, but I wouldn't say the Style is going to get much worse battery life with an 808, which is a 20 nm hexa at marginally higher clocks.
Just speculating though
(Btw: Achilles had a heel)
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Bare in mind Play has a much bigger battery compared to Style.
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And smaller, lower res display.
Motorola is a real total miss this year. they released the larger battery in the smaller device (the play) and the smaller battery in the larger one (the style) !!. i am really worried because the droid turbo had a 3900 mah and a smaller qhd AMOLED, not lcd display and yet it didnt perform relatively on battery department considering that huge battery. i am really thinking about the G4. the only thing that's keeping me stuck with motorola is the touchless control which i am totally used to. phandroid site said that will release a moto maxx that , exactly like last year, will combine the best of the two devices (play and style) and add wireless charging and water resistance and of course locked boot loader on verizon. really hating them right now.
IF this device is releasing September 3rd, I am surprised no device leaks since the launch and no other tidbits.
Might sound stupid but what kind of leaks do you mean?
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Might sound stupid but what kind of leaks do you mean?
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Shhhhhh rushless doesnt know that there are already pics of the moto x style... Hushhhh![emoji87]
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I'm talkin' about people with the phone in the wild ya' hunks.
Not even a Yetti style fake sighting yet.
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I'm talkin' about people with the phone in the wild ya' hunks.
Not even a Yetti """"style""" fake sighting yet.
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Pun Intended I hope??
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But of course.
I decided to make this thread for myself and others to express the reasons we love our V10. I see so many threads about people's dislikes and would hate for that to negatively impact potential buyers of this great device.
A few reasons I love my v10 are:
SD CARD: #1 reason explains itself
REMOVABLE BATTERY: #2 could of easily been #1 reason
SECOND SCREEN(NOT GIMMICK):truly convenient makes multitasking a bit more easy
AUDIO DAC: with the right headphones it's a night and day difference
MANUAL CAMERA: like a baby DSLR
VIDEO CAMERA: great quality and mic balance
LG OVERLAY NOT TOO HEAVY: personal opinion
BUTTON PLACEMENT: AGAIN PERSONAL OPINION
RUGGED FORM FACTOR: pretty tuff since I mostly use with no case
BUILD FEEL IN HAND: my opinion but feels premium
What are the reasons you LIKE/LOVE LG V10
BeameD From My LG V10... The one with the ALWAYS ON SCREEN... Watching me.. ?
Number reason I love this phone is that I can turn on gps， nfc， Bluetooth and use this phone heavily (youtube， movies， gaming) all day long and not worry about charging it multiple times， since I got an extra battery with me 24/7.. This is such a convenient for a power user like me..
The rest off The points you stated are all also reasons to love this phone too.
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Note 5 all the way!
Agree with op!
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Way big upgrade from my sgs4! soo nice and quick. glad i waited to upgrade!
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Way big upgrade from my sgs4! soo nice and quick. glad i waited to upgrade!
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Im using a Galaxy S1 right now, cause my Galaxy Express stopped working some weeks ago.
Can't wait for the release here in europe!
I am another v10 user coming from a sgs5 this phone is way better.
I like the positivity of this thread as much as I like the positive experience the new LG V10 has given me.
We need not vigorously defend the V10 when it comes under attack. The endless and ... (sorry if this hurts) ... pointless volley of posts with "haters" of the V10 in defense of our phones as it doesn't do anything but give page depth (negative gravity) to negative threads. Wish them a positive experience with their new choice and abandon the thread.
The phones at this level are all pretty good, with the differences being slight at best. The user experience is as personal as a first date, they don't all work out and we're allowed to move on to another in hopes of a positive relationship that lasts. I spun through 2 new phones within 3 weeks until I found this one.
Its perfect ... for me.
I'm all for being positive about this phone but at the same time I'm not delusional. It's obvious this phone has its flaws but the pros outweighs the cons.
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Note 5 all the way!
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Why? I'm not trying to start an argument, but I haven't owned a Samsung in ages. I know a lot of people who left the Note series and move on to other devices. I tried the Note 5 but when my wife bought the V10 I quickly fell in love with the Ability to make good recordings of live bands, and the DAC is freaking awesome! I no longer carry around my other Audio device.
Using Neutron, with DAC configured correctly is a new experience in Audio and the fv5 camera and video recorder is by far the BEST I've ever seen! I've used the Samsung Galaxy series of friends who asked me to take pics of bands or for me to take pics of audience when my band was playing. I recently dropped it on the street in no case and it was fine.
The battery isn't as good as my LG G3 or my brothers G4... But I have an Extra battery and 128 gig micro SD card... So I guess my question is what am I missing about the Note 5? I prefer the 808 because it stays cooler... So what did I miss?
I'm really sorry if this sounds like I'm trying to start a debate. I honestly don't know.
So some like it, huh. Trying to keep my S4 until August when I get Verizon Upgrade (apparently prior 2 year contract and loyalty plan holders still get subsidized phones every 2 years, for now).
Frustrating bec the Note 5 or Nexus 6P have much of what I want, but lack of removable battery is a dealbreaker, my S4 battery was completely shot after 12 months but a few new $7 oem's in my bag and it's fine. So much easier than fiddling with portable chargers and cables.
So, LG seems to be the only option for 2016, V10 or G5 if it retains the removable battery.... Sigh...
I love my v10. I was worried about the battery at first, but now after having it since launch, I usually go to bed with 30% left. Not sure why it got so much better, but it did. I went to bed at 41%last night and woke up with it at 37%.that's with the second screen always on. The camera is outstanding and no lag ever. The removable battery and sd are a must have for me. This phone never even gets warm. My galaxy grand prime with the lowly sd 410 gets warmer than my v10. I hope LG keeps this formula!
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I LOVE THIS PHONE
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My first LG phone, I love this phone, wait for the root
I loved my Flex but it didn't have stabilization for the camera.
So I tried out BlackBerry Passport. Good phone, but it was a down grade when compared to Flex in real world use.
Picked up the V10 on a whim and..........jaw dropping user experience.
The battery could be a 3400 ma, but I make the 3000 ma work.
Loving this phone too - I finally got on T-Mobile Jump On Demand, but I'm not sure I'll want to trade this thing in ever!
Killer battery life, a removable back (and the goodness that comes with it), great display, quick, 2nd screen,... What's not to love.
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I completely agree with your list with a MAJOR exception on ruggedness. I just paid $150 to have the phone replaced under insurance. I cracked the screen on the very first drop from barely a foot onto my coffee table. DO NOT USE THIS PHONE WITHOUT A CASE. If you crack the screen the entire warranty is null and void...you're on your own if anything malfunctions later. YOU MUST HAVE INSURANCE if you plan to go without a case. Also, my first two LG V10's were duds -- a first for any smartphone company. The first one had non-working speaker, back to the Verizon store and with my schedule that's tough. The second phone had a non-working front facing camera, back to the Verizon store yet again but this time with the added hassle of the store not wanting to take my phone since they have to give you a new one. I went to three separate stores and each changed their stories about having the phone in stock only to have none once I told them it was an exchange and not a new line activation. Four days after getting the third phone the screen cracks and LG says they'll do nothing for me other than take the phone and look it over for a couple of weeks and that's just for the estimate which was probably going to be $200 despite their marketing the phone as being able to survive a four foot drop face down. So far I'm not impressed with LG's quality control or marketing claims. I dropped my Samsung Note 3 with only a bumper guard too many times to count and the screen never cracked, probably because it wasn't half a pound like the V10. The more a phone weighs, the harder it's going to impact. The Note 3 and 4 feel like half the weight of the V10 in hand. I'm not sure I will repeat with LG after the V10 given the experience of this first week of ownership.
That being said, when the phone actually arrives working, it is the best value going. I was on the fence about buying a Note 4 instead of the V10 to save money and get most of the features of the V10. But LG's very aggressive promotion convinced me to skip the Note 4 since the Samsung is still expensive for a year old phone. The biggest thing I don't like about the V10 right now is the all the weight of the steel rails which I now discovered are basically useless if you still have to have a case and the glass is not replaceable (the whole digitzer has to be replaced). And of course the Note 4 has AMOLED so that wins the battery life contest every day of the week. I would give the LG a C+ on battery life but mostly because the battery is replaceable. If were fixed with this kind of SOT I would give it a D. But you're not buying this phone if you're not a battery swapper in the first place.
So all in I give this phone a solid B, an honorary value award for keeping SD card and removable battery,
I give LG an F on quality control and F on marketing claims.
I'm loving my V10 today! Today it's a great mobile Yule Log! Merry Christmas everyone!
New LG V10 Owner
Got my LG V10 yesterday, after realizing that the S7 and G5 look too rounded and girlish. The black V10 is a real man-phone!
After coming from an HTC M8, this is the best phone I've ever owned. Speed, battery life, display, camera, everything is awesome.
But the most unnoticed feature of this phone is the superior sound. Remember when everybody said the HTC M8 is a phone with superior sound output for audiophiles? Well, the V10 is 10 times better. I'm using it with a Sennheiser Momentum and it hits the ball out of the park.
Also this phone comes with 64gb of internal storage. My model supports dual-sim, and it's not like the S7 where you can either use 2 sim cards or 1 sim card and 1 sd card. Let's get to the only downside I've noticed so far: The phone is really heavy. But it feels like a premium phone, more than the HTC M8.
So I am getting sick of the battery life of this device and charging twice a day just to get by... the QC helps but it isn't always a viable option for someone who is on the road/travels a lot. I am probably going to go back to my Moto G 2015 for the time being as I could get a full days use most of the time on a single charge and just selling my MXPE.
But now the question comes up as what to replace it with... Moto G 5th gen, Blu Pure XR, ZTE Axon 7 Mini, or ???
My requirements are simple, or so I think...
1) 4+ hours SOT, preferably 5+, in mixed signal environment of WiFi/LTE/3G and sometimes without the best signal strength (for reference, I currently get about 2.5 hours on MXPE)
2) 5.2"-5.7" screen with 1080p minimum resolution
3) Stock Android, "near" stock, or simple UI (no TouchWiz, EMUI, ZenUI, or other bloated UI) that allows easy use of replacement launcher
4) 64GB internal storage or 32GB internal+microSD
5) 3GB or more of RAM
6) Full AT&T network compatibility (GSM 850/1900 and LTE Band 2/4/5/12/17 and optionally 29/30)
7) Nougat or Marshmallow with a Nougat upgrade "guaranteed"
8) 3.5mm headphone jack
9) Dual band WiFi - 2.4 & 5Ghz
10) $300USD or less
Would be nice, but not essential...
1) Unlockable bootloader (implies root/custom recovery/ROM development community)
2) Front facing speakers
3) NFC
4) USB 3.0
Absolute no no's are Samsung, Asus, or Huawei/Honor devices.
What else fits these requirements that I am not considering?
I believe the one phone that comes to mind that would fit most of your requirements is the Axon. I took a break from the MXPE (when it flew off my roof and died a horrible death in a rain storm) and had the Axon 7 (normal size) for about a month. You will get NEAR 4 hours of SoT, a qhd screen, 5.5 inches, relatively light for metal body. Unlockable bootloader and decent dev for it, last I checked. Things that bothered me/ pissed me off were that DTTW was laggy and slow, the actual cell service seemed to be really bad, possibly because of the full metal body phone, and the biggest annoyance - no backlit capacitive buttons, so you were left sort of blind in the dark trying to hit buttons. There is also no way through the build.prop to enable the on-screen buttons to bypass the issue at night, last I checked.
LG V20 could be an option too since it has a bootloader unlock now, 3.5-4.5 hours of SoT. I think it has a bottom bezel speaker though, which is a little weird, and as always the LG software has complaints. The dev is good enough to get around that though.
I'm in the same boat as you though. I've been looking pretty hard to find a new phone and the V20 is the only one I am really considering right now.
Get the OnePlus 3T it meets all your needs I get easily 6 to 7 HR sot
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Get the OnePlus 3T it meets all your needs I get easily 6 to 7 HR sot
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Would love to... tell me where I can get a new OP3T for under $300... That one is a hard stop requirement.
@xgerryx Same for LG V20 and Axon 7 (which never goes on sale, although the Mini does often), the $300 price point is a big deal
This phone has been a little disappointing. It's good, but definitely not great. It's a night and day difference from the Galaxy S3 I was using, but I wish I had held out a little longer for the SD 820 phones instead of buying in 2015.
It sounds like you've already got a pretty inclusive list for phones that are sold in the US and meet your requirements.
I just checked swappa, and if you're willing to go used, the OnePlus 3 is starting to get down towards the price point you're looking for. It has the same size battery as the MXP, and between the more efficient SoC than this godawful 808/810 generation and an FHD AMOLED I'd think you should get better screen on time out of it. It's a OnePlus so it has loads of good development, so you'll have all kinds of kernel/rom/tweaking available to really squeeze every erg out of it.
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This phone has been a little disappointing. It's good, but definitely not great. It's a night and day difference from the Galaxy S3 I was using, but I wish I had held out a little longer for the SD 820 phones instead of buying in 2015.
It sounds like you've already got a pretty inclusive list for phones that are sold in the US and meet your requirements.
I just checked swappa, and if you're willing to go used, the OnePlus 3 is starting to get down towards the price point you're looking for. It has the same size battery as the MXP, and between the more efficient SoC than this godawful 808/810 generation and an FHD AMOLED I'd think you should get better screen on time out of it. It's a OnePlus so it has loads of good development, so you'll have all kinds of kernel/rom/tweaking available to really squeeze every erg out of it.
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That actually could be an option... I will investigate further.
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Would love to... tell me where I can get a new OP3T for under $300... That one is a hard stop requirement.
@xgerryx Same for LG V20 and Axon 7 (which never goes on sale, although the Mini does often), the $300 price point is a big deal
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If you happen to be SUPER interested in the V20, I have seen some go for like 310-320 on Swappa in good to mint condition. You gotta hound the seller though and keep track of it all damn day for when the price drops. Not an awesome experience but I'm waiting for the same thing myself.
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If you happen to be SUPER interested in the V20, I have seen some go for like 310-320 on Swappa in good to mint condition. You gotta hound the seller though and keep track of it all damn day for when the price drops. Not an awesome experience but I'm waiting for the same thing myself.
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I'm not really interested... TBH, my experience with non-Nexus LG Android devices has been... well... lets just say less then wonderful.
Although I would have to say that the LG enV from years ago probably ranks up there as my favorite phone of all time, back when you could actually get DAYS of usage out of a cell phone on a single charge. I remember I would charge it twice a week. lol
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I'm not really interested... TBH, my experience with non-Nexus LG Android devices has been... well... lets just say less then wonderful.
Although I would have to say that the LG enV from years ago probably ranks up there as my favorite phone of all time, back when you could actually get DAYS of usage out of a cell phone on a single charge. I remember I would charge it twice a week. lol
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Yea I agree. After my terrible experience with the buggy LG G4, I'm very skeptical about going back again. At the same time I am running out of companies to try out! Haha. Gotta circle back eventually, especially on Verizon.
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Yea I agree. After my terrible experience with the buggy LG G4, I'm very skeptical about going back again. At the same time I am running out of companies to try out! Haha. Gotta circle back eventually, especially on Verizon.
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NEVER AGAIN!!! I refuse to drop $140 plus taxes and fees (realistically $160) for the service level I get now for $72 per month. Plus the limitations on devices, I would have to buy at least one new phone and/or go under contract. Nope, not happening. (Can you tell I have a grudge against Verizon, lol)
I would look around swappa for a OnePlus 3 or 3t it's worth it no bugs lag free and monthly updates it's already on nougat 7.1.1 and the beta builds they offer are great as well and development is great lots of greats ROMs and kernels and unlocking bootloader will not void warranty
TBH...I think you will have a hard time meeting all of your requirements right now. The market looks pretty dismal which is very unfortunate. I personally will hold out a little longer. I'm really looking hard at what Nokia/HMD are coming up with and hoping their roadmap for US devices includes a mid range device soon. So far their line up seems decent and if they are true to their word about expedient updates for Android, and they will sell devices with unlockable bootloaders at decent prices, I'll be sold.
moving to a galaxy s8 plus, comes tomorrow
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moving to a galaxy s8 plus, comes tomorrow
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Like @acejavelin stated, Samsung is not an option, and I agree with him. Yes they have great hardware for the most part, but a less powerful processor running vanilla, our near vanilla Android will run just as well considering the lack of heavy handed UX. I will admit the phone looks great hardware and looks wise, but I personally don't like the look and feel of Samsung TW.
unitz0mbie said:
moving to a galaxy s8 plus, comes tomorrow
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Sammie's are to bloated... Every Samsung devices we have ever had has been problematic... Hope you enjoy yours though but I would never spend that kind of money on a phone.
I have a moto g5 plus as well, its pretty good. It's fast and smooth. Screen and camera are good too, but obviously not as good as the X style.
Yes mxpe battery sucks. I have to charge 2-3 times a day and am not even a heavy user. I know its more than your actual budget but better wait, save a bit more and probably the price will drop also and go for a OP 3T.
i know your problem man.. but why don't you wait for a nougat update?? why not? maybe they might fix up the battery drain issue!
there are barely very less phones which have dual front facing speakers.. market has got very saturated.. all look for flagship but they just don't think that having a good speakers is also a part of flagship project!
as per my personal opinion... this phone is just the best phone ive ever used (till 2015) but in upcoming era you will see more and more features
i will recommend you to wait and not hurry up to get a phone...
if you need a pure stock surely get nexus but just wait for new nexus phone.. maybe they might consider it as a flagship and the value might be cheap??
anyways if you're just asking for all the requirements my opinion (AXON 7) not just only for dual front facing speakers but also for the processor(sd 820),storage(64gb,6gb ram) expandable ovbio (256gb)
plot twist: has hybrid sim XD
but im legit that it'll be upgraded to android 'O'
but it cost around $350
think man.. public reviews are also good
it meets all the requirements but is as costly as mxpe
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i know your problem man.. but why don't you wait for a nougat update?? why not? maybe they might fix up the battery drain issue!
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Nougat can't "fix" our battery issue... Radio and display panel are hardware issues and that's where 75% of all battery drain is. It isn't even issues, it's just how much power they use normally. The SD808's radios are terribly inefficient, and the display panel uses more power than some small towns. If you think Nougat is going to noticably improve active use time, your kidding yourself.
To be honest, I might just pull my old Nexus 5 out if the drawer and switch to it... The battery life can't be much worse.
The sound aspect is less important. FF speakers are nice, but as long as I can hear a YouTube video in an average room and turn the ringer up enough u don't care.
I bought the MXPE as an upgrade to my G 2015 and it was on sale for under $250, and for the most part it is, I just didn't realize how bad the battery was, it is easily half of my G.
I got Axon 7 after X and can't be happier. I've had the A7 since August. Has the front speakers i wanted, nice beautiful Samsung screen. Battery is definitely better then X. Software was buggy at the beginning but they have improved it a lot. Axon 7 has been getting a lot of updates, doesn't mean it'll continue, we were the 1st ones to receive 7.0 with the exception of Google devices, and we are the only ones so far (afaik) to receive 7.1.1 with also the exception of Google devices.
It has its flaws but i love the phone. For the money you can't beat it. It's on sale now on newegg for $330.
Just wanted to post some observations from visiting various stores that had the Note 9, V30, V35 (AT&T) and my V20 with a solid pair a headphones. In my case I'm using the V-Moda Wireless 2 with and without the plug in cord.
Note 9 with cord. If you turn on their Dolby sound button in the phone's pull down.. Pretty spectacular. The highs get a little bright with the volume up at maximum but I don't really listen that loud as I dont want to be deaf before 50. On Bluetooth it's remarkably similar. Compared to my V20 with the DAC on I'd give the a slight edge to the V20 in that the bass was better depending on the track. But even in bass heavy track I could still physically feel the rumble with the Note 9, just not as tight and deep as the V20 but by the end of the song I didn't notice it anymore. Mind you that was for a deep heavy track. I used a bass compilation that was a top YouTube search result. The Dolby setting is a clear enhancement when using headphones. Whether you think it's true sound is up to you but with a $200 and higher set of headphones its hard to complain too much.
The V30 with cord. Here you have to say it's pretty even although you get an extra setting in addition to the DAC on Oreo that I don't recall being mentioned in the initial V30 reviews. You get some new EQ type presets for enhanced, bass, live, etc.
I have a few FLAC files from Beatport (phone also supports DSD, and MQA like the V20). The sound was pretty amazing for something without an external DAC. Almost to the point where I'm like why even bother spending $800 on the Note 9. You can get a refurbished V30 for about $270 now. New for $350-$400. The Note 9 has promotions typically putting it at $800. At any rate I'd say the V30 had a slightly better sound overall to the Note 9 but again not by a margin that would make you feel you were missing anything.
The V35 with cord. I think it uses the same ESS SABRE 9218P Quad-DAC as the V30. Would be crazy to go through the expense of a diffrent DAC for such a niche feature. I could not tell much of a difference between the V30 and V35 if any.
At this point I'm leaning heavy towards the Note 9 since it has a 512 GB version with 8 GB RAM over the 128 GB 6 RAM standard version. I'm thinking the resale for this might be pretty strong because there will be a high quantity of standard Note 9 in the market for such a popular phone. With all the glass on such a big phone there will be a ton of refurbished phones being sold from people who dropped their phones and had to replace under insurance. Once Samsung lower the price under $800 and some new aggressive promotions to milk the Note 9 sales to the max it will be their best selling Note for sure. The V40 will also be the same sort of story... but under a much faster discounting curve. By the time the G8 or comes out in spring the V40 should be down to $650 from the $900+ introduction price.
Considering the V30 lost more than half it's value in 12 months I'm definitely in no hurry to buy the most expensive LG phone ever. And they didn't match Samsung on the Note 9's 4,000 mAh battery. Major bummer. But the V30 battery was pretty impressive compared to the very mediocre V20 battery life. Maybe once again the V40 will do more with less and hit 5-6 hours screen on time. With an extended battery case you might match the Note 9 at a lower price all in. The issue with the Samsung is all that lag you start to get after about a 9 months. They gotta do something about that.
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If you have the official V20 charging cradle, the iPosible 6700 mAh extended battery on Amazon fits in the cradle. Something you can't do with other extended batteries. This is a great discovery for me because now I can charge the extended battery at my desk while the phone is in use with the stock battery. Takes about 2 hours to get a charge that's been giving me about 7 hours screen on time and no heat issues. Excellent for using the DAC. While I love the ability to swap out the battery the stock battery can get me as little as 2 hours SOT sometimes.
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... and MQA like the V20).
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From what I understand the V20 does not support MQA - I spent a lot of time reading the entire V20 thread over at Head-Fi over the past week and while it's mentioned a few times, there appears to be an issue with the V20 and proper true MQA decoding potential. I found a thread at the UAPP forum where the developer specifically told a user that even in spite of the checkbox being available under the HiRes driver flags it should not be checked on the V20 simply because it doesn't work on that device, there's no hardware support for unfolding the MQA data stream.
The V30 has this capability, but the V20 doesn't. The audio will be passed to the DAC of course but it's not true MQA unfolding.
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If you have the official V20 charging cradle, the iPosible 6700 mAh extended battery on Amazon fits in the cradle. Something you can't do with other extended batteries. This is a great discovery for me because now I can charge the extended battery at my desk while the phone is in use with the stock battery. Takes about 2 hours to get a charge that's been giving me about 7 hours screen on time and no heat issues. Excellent for using the DAC. While I love the ability to swap out the battery the stock battery can get me as little as 2 hours SOT sometimes.
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Might check this out. This is the one you're referring to ?
https://www.amazon.com/iPosible-Extended-Protection-Versions-Warranty/dp/B071R2NZH9
How's it working with Oreo ? some reviews saying invalid battery after the update
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Might check this out. This is the one you're referring to ?
https://www.amazon.com/iPosible-Extended-Protection-Versions-Warranty/dp/B071R2NZH9
How's it working with Oreo ? some reviews saying invalid battery after the update
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Yep that's the one. I've gotten invalid battery eventually with every after market battery. If I buy 3 spares it will happen to at least one. The warranties are usually good for a year. And I always ask for a replacement and generally they send one if I show them a screenshot of the invalid battery notice. So far so no issues. it seems to be working better after the Oreo update because of the new background management. I didn't hesitate to buy it because it's the same cost as buying 2 replacement batteries.
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I've gotten invalid battery eventually with every after market battery. If I buy 3 spares it will happen to at least one. The warranties are usually good for a year. And I always ask for a replacement and generally they send one if I show them a screenshot of the invalid battery notice. So far so no issues. it seems to be working better after the Oreo update because of the new background management. I didn't hesitate to buy it because it's the same cost as buying 2 replacement batteries.
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Can you confirm whether the link i posted is the correct one or not ?
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Can you confirm whether the link i posted is the correct one or not ?
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That's the one
I thought nothing could replace my bootloader unlocked and rooted LG G3 running SkyDragon and the Xposed framework. Then came my US996 V20 factory unlocked, rooted and also with Xposed framework. This phone nearly had it all for me. I wanted FM radio but all attempts at getting it with Verizon as a carrier were unsuccessful. But I still loved and love myV20! Now is a very sad time for me because my 2.5 year old V20 is showing signs of advanced age. One of the primary reasons for choosing it was the replaceable battery. I don't give a rat's rear end about waterproof design, selfie cameras, using near field to pay for purchases or fingerprint unlocking but apparently the marketplace is driven by those desires. I do care about the ability to root and unlock the bootloader and, above all, the ability to replace the battery in any phone I own. Looks like I'm screwed on the latter!
If I bite the bullet on replaceable battery but absolutely must have root, what are my primary options? I would really like to hear from you guys and perhaps start a discussion on this subject. I paid $800 for my V20 and think it was nearly worth it but I do not have to have a flagship, especially when prices are getting absurd. I also would prefer a phone physically no larger than the V20 (absolutely loved the G3 sizewise!) and require a display that is visible in sunny outdoors. I would also like to be able to use my 256 GB SD card. I know my quest is practically hopeless but when the time comes I would like to get a phone that I feel I haven't paid for a lot of those trendy features I don't want or will never use.
Sorry about the rant – but the current state of affairs sucks, imho! BTW, 5G will "never" get to my area either but most of my usage is WiFi and I have a Gigabit FiOS connection but my V20 does not do well in the WiFi speed category.
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I thought nothing could replace my bootloader unlocked and rooted LG G3 running SkyDragon and the Xposed framework. Then came my US996 V20 factory unlocked, rooted and also with Xposed framework. This phone nearly had it all for me. I wanted FM radio but all attempts at getting it with Verizon as a carrier were unsuccessful. But I still loved and love myV20! Now is a very sad time for me because my 2.5 year old V20 is showing signs of advanced age. One of the primary reasons for choosing it was the replaceable battery. I don't give a rat's rear end about waterproof design, selfie cameras, using near field to pay for purchases or fingerprint unlocking but apparently the marketplace is driven by those desires. I do care about the ability to root and unlock the bootloader and, above all, the ability to replace the battery in any phone I own. Looks like I'm screwed on the latter!
If I bite the bullet on replaceable battery but absolutely must have root, what are my primary options? I would really like to hear from you guys and perhaps start a discussion on this subject. I paid $800 for my V20 and think it was nearly worth it but I do not have to have a flagship, especially when prices are getting absurd. I also would prefer a phone physically no larger than the V20 (absolutely loved the G3 sizewise!) and require a display that is visible in sunny outdoors. I would also like to be able to use my 256 GB SD card. I know my quest is practically hopeless but when the time comes I would like to get a phone that I feel I haven't paid for a lot of those trendy features I don't want or will never use.
Sorry about the rant – but the current state of affairs sucks, imho! BTW, 5G will "never" get to my area either but most of my usage is WiFi and I have a Gigabit FiOS connection but my V20 does not do well in the WiFi speed category.
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I bought an Essential phone and then moved to a new Mi mix 2S and both have been great replacement for the V20.
The new Mi 9 is also a great alternative
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OnePlus is also very good, that's where I moved to from V20 and S8+.
No matter what people say I'll stick with my us996 and f800k.......this ticks all the boxes for me.
Same problem I have with all the new devices. I tried the non-replaceable battery in a Nexus 6. Never again. Sucks when it dies, and they all will. It's just chemistry. And you can't get known good quality cells, just random China crap that is completely unknown. Perhaps a bigger name flagship like the S8 would have some options for good quality cells. Everyone else gets the rejects. It's a bit harsh, but I've personally tested random batteries and they are nearly universally crap that don't meet the stated capacity and lifetime. Not just in a phone either, real discharge testing. There are a couple decent manufacturers, but you pay more and they don't make batteries for every device, they just can't. Particularly when "normal" people don't go opening up a glued together device to replace the battery.
I get that my desires mean I'm not the "mass market". But it would be nice to have a couple options to pick from. Maybe just a big and small? I like larger devices, but not everyone does.
If they want more than about $300, I demand replaceable batteries, expandable storage, and headphone jack. And, most important, root. If I don't have root, I don't own the device. If I don't own it, I'm not paying nearly a grand for it. Hell, I got all that on my V20 for about $400. Sadly, at the moment there is no upgrade path. The best thing is, the things I ask for are cheap as hell, maybe $5 total in quantity, so the potential profit margin is huge. Everyone is just too busy trying to look like Apple. If I wanted that, I'd have already bought an iPhone.
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No matter what people say I'll stick with my us996 and f800k.......this ticks all the boxes for me.
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Totally agree. The V20 is the last of it's kind and they did most things right for it's time.. it even has an IR blaster, which I use as a universal remote. Like it's been mentioned before: the replaceable battery, expandable memory, quad dac+3.5mm jack, and decent all around specs for it's time makes this phone one of a kind. They don't make phones like this anymore, at least on the hardware level. Even though we all complained about LG and their crappy software updates, at least I gotta give credit to LG for making a phone like this (hardware wise).
Hopefully the dev community keeps it running for some time, in retrospect, this phone is a legend.