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T-Mobile sneaks "rootkit" into G2 phones - reinstalls locked-down OS after root
Not that there haven't been preventative measures before, but it looks like the G2 will be "unrootable" to start. Might be something to consider before jumping in with the G2. Very sad as this phone looks like a winner in all other ways.
Here is the original article on BoingBoing.
Hmmm... I'd be interested to know where the original OS ROM is stored, as that would take up a lot of space...
If it's true, then we next find how it "decides" it's rooted, and look at fooling that. If not, look at changing the image to be flashed with a custom ROM or dummy one.
Still failing that, perhaps looking into what calls this chip, and if boot process could be made to skip this.
Something seems strange about this, though I've not researched it properly yet... anyone seen it reported on other sources yet?
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anyone seen it reported on other sources yet?
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http://gizmodo.com/5656921/t+mobiles-g2-rootkit-will-reinstall-stock-android-after-a-jailbreak
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http://gizmodo.com/5656921/t+mobiles-g2-rootkit-will-reinstall-stock-android-after-a-jailbreak
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Thanks, that links back to XDA, so I had a quick read of the latest... I was considering buying the G2/whatever it's called, but I have now changed my mind.
Yes folks, I just made a purchasing decision based on some silly little security chip, and I encourage others to do likewise. I am sure the security will be broken on it, at which point (if it's a permanent root/custom flash) I would re-consider my position, but as it stands, I refuse to buy it.
I have no idea who decided this was needed, but I certainly will not be buying from them in future. If it's T-Mobile, I will switch network (despite the fact they're a good network in the UK), if HTC I will look to other manufacturers.
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It's not that much different to what Motorola is doing with the Droid X, Droid 2 and Milestone, where if it detects any meddling it will brick the phone.
But in the long term, it's OUR phones, we can do whatever we please. Trust me it will be bypassed, if a lock can be made by a human, it can be BROKEN by a human. Look at the Desire for example.
They should do what they did with the N1, if the user unlocks the bootloader, and meddles with it until they bugger the phone, and they try sending it back for warranty, it's the users fault.
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Not that there haven't been preventative measures before, but it looks like the G2 will be "unrootable" to start. Might be something to consider before jumping in with the G2. Very sad as this phone looks like a winner in all other ways.
Here is the original article on BoingBoing.
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Explain to me how write protection == rootkit. In fact, it's quite the opposite - a rootkit (of sorts) allows us to exploit our way into a rootshell and install su to /system/bin/. This is nothing more than clever write-protection in the mmc.
And as usual, HTC is late on delivering the kernel source so we can really see what's up...
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Yes folks, I just made a purchasing decision based on some silly little security chip, and I encourage others to do likewise. I am sure the security will be broken on it, at which point (if it's a permanent root/custom flash) I would re-consider my position, but as it stands, I refuse to buy it.
I have no idea who decided this was needed, but I certainly will not be buying from them in future. If it's T-Mobile, I will switch network (despite the fact they're a good network in the UK), if HTC I will look to other manufacturers.
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Why would HTC look to other carriers?
I ranted about this back in the WinMo days, but XDA is essentially picking up the slack for manufacturer/carrier actions. You said so yourself; you're not considering the G2 for a purchase anymore....until XDA or another dev forum finds a way around the security measure. And you will not buy from them...so long as HTC doesn't work with the carrier anymore, but if sales remain the same, they'll have no reason to stop.
So manufacturers/carriers don't need to change the way they implement security measures, they just need to keep making desirable phones and so long as others pick up the slack, they'll be able to capture the sales of the userbase that likes rooting their phones. This is going to continue being the case -- Android manufacturers will create phones and users will buy the phones on the promise that forums like XDA will make it better.
For real change to occur, sales have to be greatly affected.
Looks like the anti-root movement is beginning to snowball into a full fledged avalanche. I currently have a Droid X and it seems its locked bootloader has cause many devs to give up. Sure we have root and a few roms and themes to get rid of bloatware, but it isn't as great as a full unlock, not to mention lack of a true SBF for OTA 2.2 users.
HTC was going to be my next choice after I got bored with my X in about a year or so (more like 6 months). But it seems now that they've developed this tech for the G2, I'm sure all other carriers will want it on all future HTC devices. As soon a Samsung steps it up and creates their own locked bootloader, we'll all be SOL. What's left? Dell? Sony Ericsson?
Seems like all carriers will only be selling phones with locked bootloaders. I thought HTC was on our side, but the G2 is proof of the contrary. We need a manufacturer that embraces devs. With the recent bootloader unlocking failures seen with the Droid X and the difficulty seen with the Milestone, does anyone here think the development community can overcome the bootloader challenge?
HTC response to G2 complaint
emailed HTC to voice my displeasure. rather than ignoring my email, they felt compelled to reply with some low level, non-commital, and utterly moronic dribble especially in light of t-mobile already having released its lame-o statement. i also find it rather questionable that google had any part in this. too bad that HTC is following the Motorola model of duping folks into thinking they bought a device when all that money actually just buys time-limited, pre-defined functionality.
Without root Android wont be the same, looks like I'll be going back to Winders if this is the direction they are going to take it. They are taking all the fun out of it.
Official on GSMARENA
"You certainly remember that this spring HTC took a rapid U-turn in their smartphone policy and decided to start locking their bootloaders to prevent unauthorized hacking and modding of the preinstalled software. The Taiwanese company was then quickly made to regret its decision as users from all over the world went online and made their discontent public. In the end, HTC CEO was quick to respond with a promise that they will revert to their old policy.
Except that no action has been taken about bringing the old ways back ever since and everyone is understandably getting impatient. Well, today the company stepped on stage to give us some more details about the when's and how's of the unlocking of the bootloaders.
As it turns out, HTC will still be releasing all its devices with locked bootloaders (booo!), but soon they will be providing a web tool that will let you unlock them if you want to (yay!). However, you will need to create an account in order to use it and "accept legal disclaimers that unlocking may void all or parts of your warranty".
The web tool should be released this month with the international version of the Sensation becoming the first supported smartphone. The EVO 3D and the T-Mobile Sensation 4G should follow right after that. And while this is certainly a wait we can live with, we can't help but notice that this is not what Peter Chou promised in May.
Here’s the exact quote: "Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices.". Are we the only ones to suspect that this is not the end of the saga just yet?"
Source : http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_details...policy_another_storm_brewing_up-news-2962.php
They are now simply takingadvantage of customers....i will soon dispose off this stupid fone and stupid promises and accept samsung....atleast they r not twin faced like htc.....
H - Hell
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c - Customers....
From now this is full form of htc as per all of us who trusted them
Right, because it is totally their fault if you f*ck up your phone or brick it by flashing a bootloader or Rom, and they should totally have to fix it.
/sarcasm
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Oh come on, Sony is doing the exact same thing. If you're not happy with the HTC method you can always unlock it the XDA way. Like it or not, unlocking your bootloader ALWAYS voided your warranty, the only difference is that now you're unable to hide it.
lalitsehgal21 said:
They are now simply takingadvantage of customers....i will soon dispose off this stupid fone and stupid promises and accept samsung....atleast they r not twin faced like htc.....
H - Hell
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From now this is full form of htc as per all of us who trusted them
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Give me a break. If you really believe this, go enjoy Samsung and THEIR broken promises. HTC update their phones way more than Samsung ever will. You should be happy HTC is doing ANYTHING to appease the modding community, especially considering that most/all firmware that we flash onto our phones is based on intellectual property "borrowed" (more like stolen) from HTC in the first place.
HTC is handling this the way they are to cover their asses in case someone bricks their phone flashing it with unsupported software, and frankly, you and I both know a good percentage of the community doesn't have enough brain capacity to avoid certain doom when attempting a lot of these mods.
Also, it's a bit of a stretch to say that everyone is growing impatient. Those of us that were complaining loudly about the policy in the first place were only complaining because we HAD no possible way to unlock our bootloaders. Now we do, thanks to awesome efforts by revolutionary and teamwin. We might be keeping an eye on the developing story, because we'd like if future phones were unlockable out of the box, but the vitrol is not there. They promised us August/September, and it looks like they're standing behind that.
On Samsung you will also loose your warranty by flashing any roms and unlocking the bootloader is easy.
All warranty means in the UK is that the company agrees to replace/repair without question within the warranty period.
The law actually says if something goes wrong in the first 6 months the retailer (not the manufacturer) has to prove the fault was caused by the owner's actions/mistreatment, they of course can send it off to the manufacturer to prove this, by getting a report detailing how unlocking the bootloader caused the button to become faulty.
So if you unlock the bootloader and the power button starts playing up within the first 6 months then the retailer has to prove that it is faulty due to you unlocking the bootloader.
If it were to go wrong after 6 months, and the retailer contested it, you'd have to win the argument that unlocking the bootloader had nothing to do with the fault.
First, I want to say I agree with the OP.
xaccers said:
All warranty means in the UK is that the company agrees to replace/repair without question within the warranty period.
The law actually says if something goes wrong in the first 6 months the retailer (not the manufacturer) has to prove the fault was caused by the owner's actions/mistreatment, they of course can send it off to the manufacturer to prove this, by getting a report detailing how unlocking the bootloader caused the button to become faulty.
So if you unlock the bootloader and the power button starts playing up within the first 6 months then the retailer has to prove that it is faulty due to you unlocking the bootloader.
If it were to go wrong after 6 months, and the retailer contested it, you'd have to win the argument that unlocking the bootloader had nothing to do with the fault.
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It would be nice if things were that rational here in the USA. Here, if you've modified the device, Congress has affirmed you can't be locked up or charged with any sort of intellectual property violations, but the retailer and HTC can deny warranty services. And they do, even in cases where the issue clearly was not caused by unlocking the device. Hence the need for some of us to use 3rd party methods and relock before seeking service for issues we know an unlock did not create.
I am glad that XDA allows voices of dissent to be heard without censorship. This site has not posted my polite disagreement. Notice, the ONLY comments they've got are ones praising HTC.
The Sensation very well may be my last HTC device. I gave them honest money, but they're not giving me honest responses on matters of importance to me.
Oh come, it says it may void all or part of your warranty. So who's to say what HTC will ACTUALLY do.
All this rooting/flashing CAN actually hard the hardware of your phone. You load up an overclocked kernal and your CPU fries. A very realistic scenerio which probably already happened, in this case, it's entirely the users fault!
Picture this, most laptops/devices have a warranty void if removed sticker on them. However, say I opened the laptop up so I can clean out all the dust. A month later the screen dies, what would YOU do if you were in charge of RMA at the company?
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Oh come, it says it may void all or part of your warranty. So who's to say what HTC will ACTUALLY do.
All this rooting/flashing CAN actually hard the hardware of your phone. You load up an overclocked kernal and your CPU fries. A very realistic scenerio which probably already happened, in this case, it's entirely the users fault!
Picture this, most laptops/devices have a warranty void if removed sticker on them. However, say I opened the laptop up so I can clean out all the dust. A month later the screen dies, what would YOU do if you were in charge of RMA at the company?
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As I've said, HTC has ALREADY refused service to devices that were unlocked in the past and I don't expect that to change. I'm not talking about noobs who don't know what they're doing. Let's consider people who have a clue and run into issues not caused by a hack.
If I was in charge of RMA (or anything) at HTC, I'd tell them to go back to the way things were done with their very first Android device and enjoy the fact they're making a good profit.
Neither of us will convince each other of anything. Can't say I'll go on forever in this thread over this. I vote with my wallet. I purchased once HTC promised to never lock again and they've let me down. Those who vote/pay to continue with HTC, I'm happy for you.
Thankx for awsome response everyone ....jst one question why htc promised fake at first.. if that the case it means it was jst a publicity stunt...
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lalitsehgal21 said:
Thankx for awsome response everyone ....jst one question why htc promised fake at first.. if that the case it means it was jst a publicity stunt...
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Exactly how I feel about it. They made a broad open statement that would please ears and got people like me literally won over to buy after that happened. Then they deliver this...
You can even read some of my old posts in this Sensation forum even before release where I was saying I can't get this device if they don't unlock it. Sure 3rd party Devs found a way, but I'm not going to continue this arms race game with HTC. I don't need them and they obviously can carry one without me.
Before I saw the video above and this thread, I was planning to start this thread myself. I just found the video later today when checking out the HTC home page.
I love these threads ...........
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I love these threads ...........
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You guys are making way too big a deal out of this. HTC didn't say unlocking "will" void your warranty, they said it "may." If someone overclocks their CPU and melts it down, do you think HTC should replace it under warranty? There's a law (at least in the U.S.) that says a manufacturer can't void your warranty if you modify the product unless they can prove those modifications caused the defect. So in the case of an overclocked and fried CPU, HTC could prove the modifications damaged the phone. If you've overclocked your CPU and the screen dies, they'd have to repair that under warranty. They can never arbitrarily void your entire warranty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act
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You guys are making way too big a deal out of this. HTC didn't say unlocking "will" void your warranty, they said it "may." If someone overclocks their CPU and melts it down, do you think HTC should replace it under warranty? There's a law (at least in the U.S.) that says a manufacturer can't void your warranty if you modify the product unless they can prove those modifications caused the defect. So in the case of an overclocked and fried CPU, HTC could prove the modifications damaged the phone. If you've overclocked your CPU and the screen dies, they'd have to repair that under warranty. They can never arbitrarily void your entire warranty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act
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Correct.
It's not like they didn't know the operating conditions of the phone when they bought it.
Modify it at your own peril and don't cry if you brick it.
Anyone who expects to do whatever they want to their phone and not void your warranty is retarded. Can you do this to pc's? Tv's? Anything else in any category of consumer products? No, if you don't like it don't buy it. Buying a phone with a policy you don't like then *****ing about it is pretty redundant.
i wish i can use wifi on the sensation
yes hell to customers is right.. what type of phone drops wifi signals like nothin?
magnum_touchpro said:
i wish i can use wifi on the sensation
yes hell to customers is right.. what type of phone drops wifi signals like nothin?
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I would say that if you Sensation drops wifi signals all the time, you probably should change your router, or you have a HW fault on your phone.
Now before you tell me '..but my computer works etc..' mass produced routers for home users generally suck all of them,to find one that actually work as intended is like winning the lottery!
I must admit there is one wifi router i personally haven't had a singe problem with, and that is Apple Airport Extreme(latest revision, probably a couple of years old now), therefore i've told everyone i know to get one, and those(few) that did hav not had a single problem, and even my mother who is 60 years old managed to set it upp correctly with security, on her own.
But i know, i've been reading ppl having problem with even that one, but as i said, it really is a lottery..
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I would say that if you Sensation drops wifi signals all the time, you probably should change your router, or you have a HW fault on your phone.
Now before you tell me '..but my computer works etc..' mass produced routers for home users generally suck all of them,to find one that actually work as intended is like winning the lottery!
I must admit there is one wifi router i personally haven't had a singe problem with, and that is Apple Airport Extreme(latest revision, probably a couple of years old now), therefore i've told everyone i know to get one, and those(few) that did hav not had a single problem, and even my mother who is 60 years old managed to set it upp correctly with security, on her own.
But i know, i've been reading ppl having problem with even that one, but as i said, it really is a lottery..
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I think your right. When I'm home with my beast of a router (D-link HD) my WIFI is awsome with full bars on every single floor and every single room of a 3 story house. When I'm at a friends house with some ****ty wireless G router, my WIFI sucks. It wont even get full bars in the same room.
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Darnell_Chat_TN said:
It would be nice if things were that rational here in the USA. Here, if you've modified the device, Congress has affirmed you can't be locked up or charged with any sort of intellectual property violations, but the retailer and HTC can deny warranty services. And they do, even in cases where the issue clearly was not caused by unlocking the device. Hence the need for some of us to use 3rd party methods and relock before seeking service for issues we know an unlock did not create.
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It always amazes me how little consumer protection there seems to be in the US
Thankfully there are other ways to unlock the bootloader without affecting the warranty.
Well guys..... Look at this....deat grip issue was still managable....then came.a big issue of touchscreen sensitivity and after that the panel is made by different brands...now a broken promise yhat too made by ceo himself.....I many times ask myself.... Was this fone tested well before launch or was it a haste move to match gs2.... Either way those like me who trusted htc since years are feelin off to hv trust shaken...
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Hello everyone, in Spanish forum called htcmania we starts a petition to remove knox warranty void. Please go to the link. Thanks
https://www.change.org/es/peticione...-samsung-녹스-시스템을-제거합니다-최근에-새-소프트웨어-업데이트에서합니다#
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You can get a million signatures and i doubt it well change a thing. Sad, but true
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SgtGoldy said:
You can get a million signatures and i doubt it well change a thing. Sad, but true
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Yes I doubt too, but if anyone make nothing about it, nothing changes. It's only a minute!
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kandem said:
Yes I doubt too, but if anyone make nothing about it, nothing changes. It's only a minute!
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+1
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You can get a million signatures and i doubt it well change a thing. Sad, but true
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Knox is a great idea for everyone outside XDA. It supports BYOD so people can use a single device for their personal stuff while giving corporate IT the security they require for their stuff that co-exists on an employees phone. So employees don't have to carry around two separate phones and are always connected via a single voice and data connection for their business and personal communication. For non-business users, because Knox lives at the bootloader level, it prevents the wiping of a lost or stolen phone. I connect to multiple secure networks and haven't been able to root my phones for over a year so for me and those like me Knox is no big deal and most likely a benefit. I'll miss rooting to do stuff and then unrooting and still being able to keep "official" status but it is what it is.
Knox has been so well received in the B2B market LG is introducing something similar - LG Gate
http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/528187/smartphone_vendors_target_byod_enterprises/
There are tens of millions of devices that can be sold B2B and about 5M "enthusiasts" on XDA who Samsung by their behavior think are expendable. Knox is here to stay so those impacted by it should send Samsung a message and not buy their devices. A petition won't change a thing.
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Knox is a great idea for everyone outside XDA. It supports BYOD so people can use a single device for their personal stuff while giving corporate IT the security they require for their stuff that co-exists on an employees phone. So employees don't have to carry around two separate phones and are always connected via a single voice and data connection for their business and personal communication. For non-business users, because Knox lives at the bootloader level, it prevents the wiping of a lost or stolen phone. I connect to multiple secure networks and haven't been able to root my phones for over a year so for me and those like me Knox is no big deal and most likely a benefit. I'll miss rooting to do stuff and then unrooting and still being able to keep "official" status but it is what it is.
Knox has been so well received in the B2B market LG is introducing something similar - LG Gate
http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/528187/smartphone_vendors_target_byod_enterprises/
There are tens of millions of devices that can be sold B2B and about 5M "enthusiasts" on XDA who Samsung by their behavior think are expendable. Knox is here to stay so those impacted by it should send Samsung a message and not buy their devices. A petition won't change a thing.
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It would be nice if it were something you could opt into during checkout or during your purchase of the device. I see the benefits to people who aren't about roms and rooting but it seriously inconveniences those of us who are :laugh:
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It would be nice if it were something you could opt into during checkout or during your purchase of the device. I see the benefits to people who aren't about roms and rooting but it seriously inconveniences those of us who are :laugh:
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I posted the "happy" stuff. There's a definite f-u message to the dev community in that Samsung moved the warranty flag to Knox where it's now tamper resistant. They didn't need to do that for anything security related. So Knox or not Samsung's not exactly embracing "enthusiasts."
I'm glad people are starting a petition. It's a petition that got our bootloaders unlocked for our asus prime? Or tf700...cant remember cuz I have both but the fact is the community got it unlocked.
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I'm glad people are starting a petition. It's a petition that got our bootloaders unlocked for our asus prime? Or tf700...cant remember cuz I have both but the fact is the community got it unlocked.
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This is true and when I unlocked my bootloader it said my warranty was voided but when I had an issue with the internal battery they replaced even though the warranty was voided. I guess it depends on the problem in which the warranty is voided.
Hopefully Samsung can be more specific with what's voided and what's not.
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jetbruceli said:
This is true and when I unlocked my bootloader it said my warranty was voided but when I had an issue with the internal battery they replaced even though the warranty was voided. I guess it depends on the problem in which the warranty is voided.
Hopefully Samsung can be more specific with what's voided and what's not.
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I remember the argument people had with the warranty too. I'm glad that they fixed the battery because it was hardware related and not software which is why this voided warranty for unlocked devices is ridiculous.
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I remember the argument people had with the warranty too. I'm glad that they fixed the battery because it was hardware related and not software which is why this voided warranty for unlocked devices is ridiculous.
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It was great Asus did that but I said it in the email and on the Form that I had unlocked it and rooted. They fixed it with no questions. And I am sure with this knox thing we will still get our stuff fixed as long as it's truly their malfunction
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Signed the petition.
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The real alternative here is an AOSP or Developer edition Note. Samsung is trying to entrench in Enterprise, Knox is their lever. They won't be removing it.
BarryH_GEG said:
Knox is a great idea for everyone outside XDA. It supports BYOD so people can use a single device for their personal stuff while giving corporate IT the security they require for their stuff that co-exists on an employees phone. So employees don't have to carry around two separate phones and are always connected via a single voice and data connection for their business and personal communication. For non-business users, because Knox lives at the bootloader level, it prevents the wiping of a lost or stolen phone. I connect to multiple secure networks and haven't been able to root my phones for over a year so for me and those like me Knox is no big deal and most likely a benefit. I'll miss rooting to do stuff and then unrooting and still being able to keep "official" status but it is what it is.
Knox has been so well received in the B2B market LG is introducing something similar - LG Gate
http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/528187/smartphone_vendors_target_byod_enterprises/
There are tens of millions of devices that can be sold B2B and about 5M "enthusiasts" on XDA who Samsung by their behavior think are expendable. Knox is here to stay so those impacted by it should send Samsung a message and not buy their devices. A petition won't change a thing.
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This... The enthusiast community is a very very small segment of the population and Knox is a feature that is sold to the community at large, especially buisnesses wary of android's reputation for malware and security problems (wether true or not, it's what's out there). Get used to this, because eventually all phones will be locked down like this. Companies may lose the enthusiast segment but they gain the far larger and more profitable business market. If anyone thinks that's not an easy choice, you're kidding yourself.
LOL, I thought someone is publishing the digital signatures for a Knox bit free boot loader....
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BarryH_GEG said:
Knox is a great idea for everyone outside XDA. It supports BYOD so people can use a single device for their personal stuff while giving corporate IT the security they require for their stuff that co-exists on an employees phone. So employees don't have to carry around two separate phones and are always connected via a single voice and data connection for their business and personal communication. For non-business users, because Knox lives at the bootloader level, it prevents the wiping of a lost or stolen phone. I connect to multiple secure networks and haven't been able to root my phones for over a year so for me and those like me Knox is no big deal and most likely a benefit. I'll miss rooting to do stuff and then unrooting and still being able to keep "official" status but it is what it is.
Knox has been so well received in the B2B market LG is introducing something similar - LG Gate
http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/528187/smartphone_vendors_target_byod_enterprises/
There are tens of millions of devices that can be sold B2B and about 5M "enthusiasts" on XDA who Samsung by their behavior think are expendable. Knox is here to stay so those impacted by it should send Samsung a message and not buy their devices. A petition won't change a thing.
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The problem is not that Knox is bad or not , the problem is that consumers don't have a choice. The sad truth is this is happening everywhere from food to computers. I agree that we should do something but I personally think it's already too late.
jetbruceli said:
And I am sure with this knox thing we will still get our stuff fixed as long as it's truly their malfunction
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I doubt that very much.
They'll take one look at it and bounce it back as null and void.
I am planning to buy Note 3, I already have S4 with older rom and bootloader (canadian variant).
So I understand (somewhat) this Knox system.
If I do get Note 3, I can't install custom recovery and flash custom roms?
What would flag the Knox system, the warranty becoming void, is it installing custom recovery, or rom? What about the rooting, does that affect knox as well?
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Lots of shady companies on that address... On the first Google page alone it lists 8 different companies all located in Suite 102 of the Blake building in Belize City, amongst which were an insurance company, IT company, Holdings company for Asia, and a bank.
I can smell the seediness from here, and I'm halfway across the planet...
Finally people got the truth. Many have told me to use one click root in many forums. Well I didn't use it until last month when I tried to use it on my Karbonn tafone a37. It didn't root my device and I luckily got a refund but after the next reboot I had a brick in my hand.
Well since I was going throw it it didn't matter.
Good job @allanlevene for warning others.
Never go for oneclickroot kind of apps.. Always use the traditional way..
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Need clarification on the "traditional way"?
I infer this implies using the means for unlocking, rooting, etc. found on XDA?
Or, are there solid legitimate companies anyone would recommend that are an alternative to the services offered by oneclickroot?
ne_stew said:
Need clarification on the "traditional way"?
I infer this implies using the means for unlocking, rooting, etc. found on XDA?
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TowelRoot, CF Autoroot, pre-rooted ROMS, etc. Basically, yes; Most methods found on XDA.
Thanks for the reply, been searching XDA... stuck w Verizon (CDMA)...
The app stopped working a long time ago, I think it used to work on 2.3.x and 4.0.x...currently, the software is still available for download, and it scans the device and checks it against their database, and returns a result which tells you whether the device is manually rootable (traditional way) or not. And then you can purchase their service, and have a remote root done over Team Viewer. Pretty useful for those who may not be as savvy as some of us to do bootloader unlocking, flashing of recoveries etc on their own.
Thanks for the info. I didn't plan to use them but will be sure not to even try it should the need come up.
I was able to root my IMan i5800C (android 4.4.2) with KingRoot which IS basically one click method. You install the app like any other app and then you click root my phone. And bam! you have a rooted phone. Cool no?
Wow, i didn't know that is the real case from them.
Thanks for sharing appreciate it.
I was duped into this last night. Once I found out it was a live service and not the guy that has been building oneclickroot scripts on xda forever I demanded a refund. We need this issue to go on the front page of xda to get the word out and shut down that scam.
You wouldn't believe the theiving nightmare ONE CLICK ROOT have and are putting me through!!! Paid for two phones, said no warranty, got charged $20 x2 anyway. To make it worse they don't even honor the warranty!! I had an lg k20 rooted and eventually I turned it off. When I turned it back on it would only load to pcs carrier screen, couple other things. The warranty I got the day before doesn't cover that. It says in writing that it does!!! They lie out the side of their face at you and RIP you off for as much as they can get! I HAVE PAID FOR TWO ROOTS AND TWO WARRANTIES I DIDNT WANT. I HAVE A SOFT BRICKED PHONE TO SHOW FOR IT!!!! I'm contacting the FTC , I suggest you do too!!
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Exactly what zero cool said. These guys should be arrested! Total crooks would take from their own mother. If the warranty I involuntary paid for doesn't cover rebooting my phone, what does it cover? NOTHING AT ALL!!
Tell your friends, stay away from ONECLICKROOT!!!
Stay away from that ripoff....
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I've tried all these methods across several different phones, NONE WORK! i only need a basic root just to run an app that requires root. I've ruined more phones than i care to count. Is there a simple apk that i can run to root my phone without all this nonsense and garbage? By the way why does this site advertise the likes of one click root if they suck so bad?
I too fell into their trap. Paid through PayPal. Download kept cycling back to a new purchase option. Called phone number on receipt not even them . emailed them not in service. Filed payment dispute with PayPal they were great.
Avoid a scam
Recently I came across this issue, since I just recently bought this phone. Usually I will root my phones as soon as I get them, by following the excellent guides in XDA here, but this time, I didn't do much research before getting this phone (Mate 20 X). Aside from this unlocking bootloader issue, I like this phone and I hand-picked this from my list of options because it ticked what I was looking for in my new purchase - big battery, IR and 3.5" audio jack. Plus the latest 7nm 980 Kirin processor is a nice hardware to have. (I had Mi Max 2 before, but had some issues.)
I don't intend to pay any 3rd party and pay prohibitively expensive money to unlock my phone. It's absurd how much they are ripping off the people and on the other hand, I'm surprised how much people are willing to throw money at these dubious sites. Now crossing 100++ USD!!?? What the....
Anyway, back to my question :
1. How do these sites get YOUR phone's codes? I'm sure they are not paying Huawei to get your codes. If not from Huawei, then how are they able to obtain the codes just by having the serial number and IMEI numbers?
2. I hope it's just a matter of time before XDA developers can find out how they do this so that this can be shared with the community so that we can continue unlocking like how we used to do before with other phones.
This is an enthusiast community, not some dumb people who are ready to throw money to some 3rd party hackers to get your codes.
And looking at the latest developments, most of these dubious sites have ceased providing the service....wonder why. Something's fishy here. And prices are shooting up, no doubt, fueled by so many people ready to throw money for them.
I am not a developer but always follow the guides written by excellent deveopers in XDA. It's fun and educational that way. We all have paid for the phones ourselves. Tinkering with our phones is our hobby.
I wish people won't rush to pay and get 3rd party questionable "unlockers" spoil the spirit of XDA.
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amgreenhawk said:
Recently I came across this issue since I just recently bought this phone. Usually, I will root my phones as soon as I get them, by following the excellent guides in XDA here, but this time, I didn't do much research before getting this phone (Mate 20 X). Aside from this unlocking bootloader issue, I like this phone and I hand-picked this from my list of options because it ticked what I was looking for in my new purchase - big battery, IR and 3.5" audio jack. Plus the latest 7nm 980 Kirin processor is a nice hardware to have. (I had Mi Max 2 before, but had some issues.)
I don't intend to pay any 3rd party and pay prohibitively expensive money to unlock my phone. It's absurd how much they are ripping off the people and on the other hand, I'm surprised how much people are willing to throw money at these dubious sites. Now crossing 100++ USD!!?? What the....
Anyway, back to my question :
1. How do these sites get YOUR phone's codes? I'm sure they are not paying Huawei to get your codes. If not from Huawei, then how are they able to obtain the codes just by having the serial number and IMEI numbers?
2. I hope it's just a matter of time before XDA developers can find out how they do this so that this can be shared with the community so that we can continue unlocking like how we used to do before with other phones.
This is an enthusiast community, not some dumb people who are ready to throw money to some 3rd party hackers to get your codes.
And looking at the latest developments, most of these dubious sites have ceased providing the service....wonder why. Something's fishy here. And prices are shooting up, no doubt, fueled by so many people ready to throw money for them.
I am not a developer but always follow the guides written by excellent deveopers in XDA. It's fun and educational that way. We all have paid for the phones ourselves. Tinkering with our phones is our hobby.
I wish people won't rush to pay and get 3rd party questionable "unlockers" spoil the spirit of XDA.
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I doubt that anybody can provide unlock code without inside information/certain servers approach. If that hadn't been true, xda would have the code a long time ago.
What raises two issues. The first one is why Huawei changed its policy regarding AL00 bootloader after it was already on the market. Huawei had known all implications of unlocked bootloader a long time ago, that is the reason why it had stopped providing codes for other models recently.
It could be assumed that Huawei lured buyers to went for this model because they believe that it is only with unlocked bootloader and it will stay that way. A lot of buyers had wanted an unlocked bootloader, otherwise, they would have taken the international model which required fairly less customization.
Locking bootloader out of the blue and then enabling trading it through middlemen for huge extra profits is at least unfair to the buyers.
And there could be more. Is it possible that sudden change toward locking bootloader arise from the temptation to control users? That stuff that is basically what US accused Huawei and what makes discomfort even in more countries?
Finally, there is one question for xda, too. Until recently xda was a synonym for a free exchange of knowledge, solutions, software. Basically, almost everything I know about Android, phones, hacking, I've got from xda. And if I have something to share, I do it with gratitude for everything I received and gained from this great community. But I'm not even important, my knowledge is basic. There are many devs with a massive contribution, whole solutions, modifications, entire systems. For free.
It's quite acceptable to make reference to paid solutions or stuff and to recommend it in the forum. As it was always acceptable presenting royalty-free solutions in the forum and offering more customizing one via Google Play or similar portals. Or asking for a donation. But selling pure commercial solutions for ripoff money for something that has been already paid to the phone producer is an entirely different story. It may turn this forum into a commercial portal. If one could gain huge profits for participation only due to his connection with the producer, what is the point to spend hours, days and weeks of hard work just to bring a perfect rom or solution to the community?
Then, perhaps we'd need another forum. For contributors instead of traders.
Bootloader codes can only be provided by Huawei. FunkyHuawei and other "sellers" likely had an inside source that was providing codes at a cost - these people likely lost their jobs which is why there are no codes available from any source. XDA has found ways to load custom recoveries on many devices in the past, but this was never by locating the bootloader unlock code, only by exploiting a security flaw.
Personally, I don't think this issue has anything to do with Huawei wanting to lock down users. (despite what they're telling us) I think they are scared of research firms finding evidence of Huawei stealing hardware/software from other manufacturers. I don't mean this as a dig on Huawei, I think Apple is guilty of this as well. Both guilty in stealing radio hardware design and software from Qualcomm.
Has anyone actually obtained an unlock code in the last few weeks? If so, for which version of Mate 20 X and how much did you pay?
It's simple guys, 2 options:
Either 1. Insider that gets very busy now because if the many requests since OEM unlock is available again in the new updates.. so price goes up.
Or 2. Someone has the algorithm to generate these codes based on IMEI.
Since the price has went up by 4x I think option one is more realistic, however I don't rule out option 2. Perhaps we can fix a bounty for a team that can look into a key generator?
https://theunlockingcompany.com
Seems to be advertising to unlock at 39.99 US. I am hesitant though not only because of the issue developers have with the ethics behind such a service, but becasue I am a bit of a newb. Once I give out my IMEI number, doesn't that put me at risk of ending up with a brick?
s327374 said:
https://theunlockingcompany.com
Seems to be advertising to unlock at 39.99 US. I am hesitant though not only because of the issue developers have with the ethics behind such a service, but becasue I am a bit of a newb. Once I give out my IMEI number, doesn't that put me at risk of ending up with a brick?
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I just bought it I hope to have the code in 12 hours
Kurocham said:
I just bought it I hope to have the code in 12 hours
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Wait ... I am now advertising for them. I thought the point of this thread was to not pay these companies. Although I am interested to know if your EVR-AL00 gets a code. I will be tempted
s327374 said:
https://theunlockingcompany.com
Seems to be advertising to unlock at 39.99 US. I am hesitant though not only because of the issue developers have with the ethics behind such a service, but becasue I am a bit of a newb. Once I give out my IMEI number, doesn't that put me at risk of ending up with a brick?
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Are you sure this company will give you code to unlock bootloader? Looks like what they do is unlock phone from carrier. For example, you buy a phone from AT&T and you want to use it on Tmobile but you can't because it is carrier locked.
Kurocham said:
I just bought it I hope to have the code in 12 hours
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You realize that this is the unlock code for the simcard Carrier right? That has nothing to do with bootloader unlock...
Kurocham said:
I just bought it I hope to have the code in 12 hours
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mscion said:
Are you sure this company will give you code to unlock bootloader? Looks like what they do is unlock phone from carrier. For example, you buy a phone from AT&T and you want to use it on Tmobile but you can't because it is carrier locked.
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I am not sure - I just assumed that this would be for unlocking bootloader.... I guess we will know from Kurocham soon.
ilovepj said:
You realize that this is the unlock code for the simcard Carrier right? That has nothing to do with bootloader unlock...
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OMFG I DID NOT KNOW!!!!:crying::crying::crying::crying:
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OMFG I DID NOT KNOW!!!!:crying::crying::crying::crying:
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Sorry bro. I feel your pain. I am sorry for the accidental misdirection.