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Whats using my battery???

Sup people,
I posted a thread last week on here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1349334&page=2
about my battery drain issue and since then ive even replaced the battery for a new one.
My phone still eats through battery life and its showing "android OS" and being the biggest drain in the battery stats.
I have had this problem across loads of Roms and Kernels, I went to the new ICS build the other day and im still having issues.
Can anyone tell me what my options are from here? What is their left that could be doing it? im baffled.
Im not sure if its related but recently ive had a few instances were the phone would jump back to the "enter pin" screen even though it was on and sometimes in use at the time.
I appriciate any help on this guys.

When you are flashing new roms, are you reloading all your previous apps?
If so, I would start fresh. Maybe stock rom, no backed up apps. Let it run, and monitor hat might be draining. I know this happened to me a while ago, and YouTube as the culprit. I removed and reinstalled, issue fixed.

I have done, but with the last few roms I didn't restore anything from the previous rom. I didnt even sign into my google account with it, sync was disabled, wifi too.
That's whats baffling me about it. I cant imagine there's anything left on it that was there from the previous rom so I'm stuck for ideas as to whats causing the drain.
I've wiped everything in Clockwork Mod too with no success.
Is it possible the phone has a hardware problem?
Is it possible to go back to stock rom and stock recovery? Im thinking about returning the phone if there's a hardware problem.

Spectre Nine said:
Is it possible to go back to stock rom and stock recovery? Im thinking about returning the phone if there's a hardware problem.
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as i have just written in another thread. to return to complete stock, you can use Odin, a Samsung tool, that you can download on their support section, just google it...the respective rom-image you can find here in the forum. just search a little, i found it quite easily when i had to return my phone due to a hardware problem...
good luck!

try using the launcher fron the link below...it dropped my battery usage for "android OS' to 2%
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1121294
Dark Launcher2 For CM7.1.0 Install with CWM to against (Android System) battery drain
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA Premium App

I think I wrote this in your other thread but download Better Battery Stats from the market and look at your partial wakelocks since unplugged. this will tell you exactly what is eating the battery and what percent it accounts for.
In the battery use graph in android do you have a lot of time spent awake when the screen is off. You said you didnt sign in to your google account and wifi was disabled. Did you connect to your mobile netowrk though? Searching for a network can really drain the battery fast. Do you still have a lot of drain in airplane mode?
How fast does your battery drain? Can you put up a screenshot of the battery graph from 100% charge to somewhere below 50%

hi, thanks for the reply,
I tried to get the battery stats app but couldnt find it in the market. i get the drain when connected to 3g, when in airplane mode, when connected to wifi, when not connected to wifi.
I'll get some more pics of the battery stats, it basically drains in around 5-7 hours when not used at all, much less if it is actually used.
@petarsson Oh i didnt think odin worked with the nexus s, i thought it was only for samsungs own branded phones. I'll look into that.

PS, i dont know if its related but i have a lot of files on the sd that are generated by themselves and are called "radio_dump_20111123123340.bin" etc. Anyone know what these are about and why i have so many of them?
I have 481mb of them since yesterday'ish.

Spectre Nine said:
PS, i dont know if its related but i have a lot of files on the sd that are generated by themselves and are called "radio_dump_20111123123340.bin" etc. Anyone know what these are about and why i have so many of them?
I have 481mb of them since yesterday'ish.
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Those are generated when your radio crashes. What radio are you using. If your problem persists on different rom's and kernels it very well could be the radio.
Its called betterbatterystats in the market and it costs like $2
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This is what I suggest you do
- in android go to settings> privacy factory reset data
- go to settings>storage and erase USB data
-boot to recovery and wipe data/factory reset and format SD card
-wipe cache and wipe dalvik
-flash a stock rom like blandroid
-flash the kf1 radio
-boot up don't sign in to Google account and go right in to airplane mode
-if you still have battery problems its most likely a hardware defect

thanks again mate, its pretty late here at the moment but ill give it a go in the morning. cheers.

I'm having similar issues. I had great battery life but lately i have a lot of awake when the phone is off.did change kernels around a bit but always wiped cache and dalvik and I've been using titanium to freeze new apps i though could be causing it but i cant seem to find it. Going back to original kernel i was running hasn't solved the problem.
BetterBattery stats shows SyncManagerHandlesSyncAlarm and AlarmManager as keeping the phone awake a lot.
I am on stock and latest glados kernel.

red_skittles said:
This is what I suggest you do
- in android go to settings> privacy factory reset data
- go to settings>storage and erase USB data
-boot to recovery and wipe data/factory reset and format SD card
-wipe cache and wipe dalvik
-flash a stock rom like blandroid
-flash the kf1 radio
-boot up don't sign in to Google account and go right in to airplane mode
-if you still have battery problems its most likely a hardware defect
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Hiya mate,
Im gonna give this a go later on since i have the time. At the moment I have my phone fully restored to 2.3.6 with stock recovery and locked bootloader as I was about to return it to the shop.
Can you answer me this though, Would the radio.img be updated with each rom I install? Or is the same radio image left untouched when i flash a rom?
cheers.

Things to do before updating?

Allright, I finally got my Honor 8! FRD-L09 in Belgium through V-mall.:victory:
I got a notice there is an update available. I am currently on EMUI 4.1. On my older devices I never update and just flash higher versions instead.
Anything I should do before initiating this update?
Are there any reasons not to update (yet)?
Is there anything I should do like backups and all?
I'm currently trying to do an adb backup but I forgot what exactly is included in that. It's not the same as a nandroid is it?
Some weeks ago I saw some people need some files still. Forgot where it was or which wording was used. Does anyone still need something from a new user? Likely the request has already been filled with more people having the device by now.
I'm going to check out this thread later and mess around with xposed and those cool things.
Anything else I need to know about my device?
Thanks guys! Let's make this device awesome!:highfive:

ota updates
miva2 said:
Allright, I finally got my Honor 8! FRD-L09 in Belgium through V-mall.:victory:
I got a notice there is an update available.
Anything I should do before initiating this update?
Are there any reasons not to update (yet)?
Thanks guys! Let's make this device awesome!:highfive:
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Hi miva2
Since getting my Honor 8 i've had a couple of ota updates which have installed fine (apart from installing some chinese app updates, but that happened because my phone is the chinese version with a supplier-installed mod to mostly make the phone english)
as far as I'm aware an OTA update should preserve all of your data and settings, but it can't hurt to regularly back up your personal files.
For this I use a nice little app called MyPhoneExplorer
not sure what the difference is between an adb and nandroid backup other than what I read here http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/48833/whats-the-difference-between-a-nandroid-backup-and-an-adb-backup
Hope that helps

The initial thing is to charge your mobile above 70% and take a backup of your data. In the future if any problem arises, then the first thing to do is the Factory data Reset.
So its better to wipe the cache and install the update.
Also remember your Google Password which is used for Login into your Android Google Account. All the Honor mobiles released in 2016 has Factory Data Protection. So you need to remember the username and password u used for logging in this mobile previously.

Before OTA update, check the instructions on screen, if any, usually it will show you to charge your phone above 50%. For major update, it will also remind you to backup your data (but I've never done that...)

Just make sure to have 70% of battery, or plug it in the charger

Thanks for the tips!
I'll try to make an adb backup again later. Had trouble finding the device through adb. Probably need some drivers or something.
vsriram92 said:
Also remember your Google Password which is used for Login into your Android Google Account. All the Honor mobiles released in 2016 has Factory Data Protection. So you need to remember the username and password u used for logging in this mobile previously.
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Cool, I didn't know that.

Plug the charger in and update, ive nerver experienced an Honor Ota delete data

HonorCasper said:
Plug the charger in and update, ive nerver experienced an Honor Ota delete data
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OTA update won't delete the data. However it is recommended to reset once after the update.
So taking backup is useful.

vsriram92 said:
OTA update won't delete the data. However it is recommended to reset once after the update.
So taking backup is useful.
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You're absolutely right there bro

It's obvious, it became a habit in me

It is recommended that you update to the latest version as soon as possible. After you receive an update notification, you can enter Settings > Updater to check the update and choose whether to update. It is recommended that you update using a Wi-Fi connection.
Normally, system updates will increase your phone's performance, and strengthen personal privacy and data security protection. They also provide new features, therefore it is recommended that you update as soon as possible. If you do not update, you can still use your current system normally.
Performing a system update will not clear user data, but in order to protect your data security, it is recommended that you back up your data before updating. (NS)

PalakMi said:
It's obvious, it became a habit in me
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Yeah youre right, i just become a part of updating

Okay so backup is just for user data. nandroid is not needed.
With reset I assume you guys mean a factory reset and not just a reboot.
Hope I get my sim card soon (mine was too big) so I can actually start using this phone instead of having it decorate my bedside table.

miva2 said:
Okay so backup is just for user data. nandroid is not needed.
With reset I assume you guys mean a factory reset and not just a reboot.
Hope I get my sim card soon (mine was too big) so I can actually start using this phone instead of having it decorate my bedside table.
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First of all, you got a sweet bedside decoration dude:good:
Yes just data backup, and Yes, factory reset

miva2 said:
With reset I assume you guys mean a factory reset and not just a reboot.
Hope I get my sim card soon (mine was too big) so I can actually start using this phone instead of having it decorate my bedside table.
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Yes we mean the factory reset.
In the meantime you get the SIM, you can update through Wifi (if available).
SIM is not mandatory to update.

beakerav said:
Hi miva2
Since getting my Honor 8 i've had a couple of ota updates which have installed fine (apart from installing some chinese app updates, but that happened because my phone is the chinese version with a supplier-installed mod to mostly make the phone english)
as far as I'm aware an OTA update should preserve all of your data and settings, but it can't hurt to regularly back up your personal files.
For this I use a nice little app called MyPhoneExplorer
not sure what the difference is between an adb and nandroid backup other than what I read here http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/48833/whats-the-difference-between-a-nandroid-backup-and-an-adb-backup
Hope that helps
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I have a Chinese Honor 8 and just finished uninstalling the Chinese apps and setting up Google. Was going to do an OTA update, what do you mean by it installed some chinese app udpates? You mean the Chinese apps reappeared?

spix123 said:
. . . what do you mean by it installed some chinese app udpates? You mean the Chinese apps reappeared?
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Sorry, bad use of language from me.
Not complete apps, but every now and then stuff pops up on screen, all in Chinese, that I don't understand, one such screen must be some media portal as there was hyperlink pictures (bit like a Chinese version of YouTube) but selecting returns server error.
I accidentally installed last ota and the next update notification screen that popped up was also in Chinese language. All my location settings are English so I figured the Chinese stuff must be updated system files because they started appearing after I installed updates (guess that's why supplier recommended no ota)

beakerav said:
Sorry, bad use of language from me.
Not complete apps, but every now and then stuff pops up on screen, all in Chinese, that I don't understand, one such screen must be some media portal as there was hyperlink pictures (bit like a Chinese version of YouTube) but selecting returns server error.
I accidentally installed last ota and the next update notification screen that popped up was also in Chinese language. All my location settings are English so I figured the Chinese stuff must be updated system files because they started appearing after I installed updates (guess that's why supplier recommended no ota)
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I did one OTA update from b106 -> b135. Next one is to b160 and says it includes 3 patches. I didn't get any chinese popups or anything. I uninstalled most of them and disabled notifications/autostart on the ones remaining.
What version are you on and hows your standby time? Just testing the phone a bit now and standby isn't looking too good. Left it overnight with Wifi on and it lost around 10%. Wondering if its the rom, some setting or normal?

spix123 said:
. . . What version are you on and hows your standby time? Just testing the phone a bit now and standby isn't looking too good. Left it overnight with Wifi on and it lost around 10%. Wondering if its the rom, some setting or normal?
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I'm on version 160, can't resist installing to see what gets improved, but I think it only a matter of time before an ota install breaks this e-mod-rom, I guess when that happens I'll just have to either pay e-to-talk for replacement rom or factory reset
I leave phone overnight with wifi on and bluetooth on (linked to my pebble wristwatch) and tend to lose 3 to 4 % by morning, really impressed with battery life. Have you found battery management app? I'm sure you would have, it's got some nice features for saving power

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I'm on version 160, can't resist installing to see what gets improved, but I think it only a matter of time before an ota install breaks this e-mod-rom, I guess when that happens I'll just have to either pay e-to-talk for replacement rom or factory reset
I leave phone overnight with wifi on and bluetooth on (linked to my pebble wristwatch) and tend to lose 3 to 4 % by morning, really impressed with battery life. Have you found battery management app? I'm sure you would have, it's got some nice features for saving power
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It maybe because I had no sim in it and the phone was constantly checking for it. Turned on airplane mode and left for 8 hours, it lost 1%. Now trying airplane mode with Wifi on.
How do you know the rom is modded?

Mobile data problem after updating to Oreo

Hi,
I have my Honor 8 since January, it's FRD-L09 model. Recently I have updated to Oreo (FRD-L09C432B521) via HiSuite (of course did a factory reset after the update). The system works just fine except cellular data. More precisely, it's about turning it off. When I turn on the data there's a stable connection to LTE and everything is ok, but when I turn it off phone goes crazy. The device starts to heat up, all system apps (e.g. Settings, Contacts, Messages) are crashing. Sometimes there's also problem with touch - phone recognizes it just fine, but it doesn't respond, e.g. when I touch "back" or "home" button in the navbar there's an animation, but nothing happens. The phone also randomly resets. The only thing that helps is forced restart (holding the power button for more than 10 sec).
All this things happen ONLY AFTER turning off mobile data, so it basically comes to restarting my phone every time I turn off cellular data.
Did anyone have a similar problem? Is there any solution except rolling back to Nougat? Thanks in advance for your help, people

MichaB. said:
Hi,
I have my Honor 8 since January, it's FRD-L09 model. Recently I have updated to Oreo (FRD-L09C432B521) via HiSuite (of course did a factory reset after the update). The system works just fine except cellular data. More precisely, it's about turning it off. When I turn on the data there's a stable connection to LTE and everything is ok, but when I turn it off phone goes crazy. The device starts to heat up, all system apps (e.g. Settings, Contacts, Messages) are crashing. Sometimes there's also problem with touch - phone recognizes it just fine, but it doesn't respond, e.g. when I touch "back" or "home" button in the navbar there's an animation, but nothing happens. The phone also randomly resets. The only thing that helps is forced restart (holding the power button for more than 10 sec).
All this things happen ONLY AFTER turning off mobile data, so it basically comes to restarting my phone every time I turn off cellular data.
Did anyone have a similar problem? Is there any solution except rolling back to Nougat? Thanks in advance for your help, people
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That's really strange, mine works perfectly even after Oreo without a factory reset. You should try another factory reset or a rollback to Nougat and then update to Oreo again (Maybe something went wrong when you update, but I'm not really sure).

Kiruke said:
That's really strange, mine works perfectly even after Oreo without a factory reset. You should try another factory reset or a rollback to Nougat and then update to Oreo again (Maybe something went wrong when you update, but I'm not really sure).
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Probably that's the only thing I can do since it looks like no one ever had such a weird problem Thanks for your time anyway, I'll try to do as you advice and write here if it helped.

Factory reset is mandatory, as far as I'm concerned, when doing a major update. Battery and general stability usually improves.

zinko_pt said:
Factory reset is mandatory, as far as I'm concerned, when doing a major update. Battery and general stability usually improves.
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I did one after the update. Then the problem ocurred, so I did another (this time I wiped data & cache through recovery) as Kiruke adviced. Didn't help. The problem is present even when the device is clean. I also downloaded the last system version through eRecovery (unfortunately it seems in my country, Poland, Android 7 is no longer available because it downloaded B521), also didn't work. I tried resetting network settings, no luck. I contacted with Huawei support and it seems the only solution is to wait for some another update.

MichaB. said:
I did one after the update. Then the problem ocurred, so I did another (this time I wiped data & cache through recovery) as Kiruke adviced. Didn't help. The problem is present even when the device is clean. I also downloaded the last system version through eRecovery (unfortunately it seems in my country, Poland, Android 7 is no longer available because it downloaded B521), also didn't work. I tried resetting network settings, no luck. I contacted with Huawei support and it seems the only solution is to wait for some another update.
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Have you tried to downgrade to some other version, going full stock and start the updating process over again?
Or even flash a OpenKirin ROM to see if the issue remains...?
Never came across this situation in all the devices and ROMs I've used.

Weird stuff happening on phone

Hi all, my mom has an Motorola Moto G3 phone. Have noticed many weird things happening on the phone since yesterday.
The notification panel won't slide down. Also, no notifications are displayed in the notification bar, even when there are notifications, like receiving sms or messages on Whatsapp.
The phone has a swipe lock screen. But, the lock screen won't work, even though it shows in Security settings, that there is one.
Calls are being made from the phone, but no calls are being received. For example, if I call the phone, it says that the person is busy and the connection ends. My brother had also tried calling... same thing.
No apps can be downloaded or updated from the Play Store.
I tried to connect the phone to the PC, but, since I cannot slide down the notification panel, there is no way to change the connection mode to transfer data.
I should mention that the storage on the phone was getting close to being filled, and the phone was showing the warning that storage was less and that some of the functions might stop working. So, are these things because of that?
But, I did delete a lot of photos and videos and uninstalled apps, and now there is sufficient storage for the phone to run properly, but it still doesnt work, and these weird stuff are happening.
I suspect from the weird behavior that there might be a virus. Is that so?
What do I do? How will the phone return to sanity? How do I backup the data... if the solution is to factory reset the phone. There are important photos and videos and whatsapp data which I would like to save before performing a reset.
Any help will be appreciated.

A lot to cover there.
First Long press the power button whilst the phone is on.This will reboot to Safemode.See if you can now use a USB Data cable to backup what you need to your PC/Laptop/Tablet.
Note:Some USB cables are,"Charge Only" so check the USB cable is Data transfer capable.
Then if you have a Google account and are connected via Phone data or WiFi go Settings/Accounts/Google and untick and re-tick all sync options to make sure all your Google stuff is updated.
Then do a,"Hard Reset/Factory Restore.
Just put Moto G3 into youtube with the words Hard Reset,
https://www.youtube.com
Although a Hard reset seems like a big move I do one at least a couple of times a year as a kind of 10,000 mile service for my Android phones even if they are running well and it clears out all the junk I tend to accumulate and keeps them slick,fast and problem free.
HTH

Thanks a lot for your reply. Your post comes as a lifesaver.
I took a backup of the data by transferring stuff on to the SD card and then transferring the data from there to the computer.
I had booted in safe mode, but there too the phone showed same behavior. I also noticed that the home button, or the task manager button were not working too.
After taking the backup, I also changed the password for the Gmail account for security, in case the mobile was somehow compromised.
Then I wanted to do a factory reset, but the button seems to be greyed out, and there seems to be no way to perform a soft factory reset. So, your post comes at the nick of time to save me, as I was thinking what to do now. Thanks a ton!

Performed a hard reset of the phone, and the phone is working fine now. Everything is normal.
What might be the reason for such behavior though?
Not being able to lock the phone, install/update apps, factory reset... all this makes me think if it was some kind of malware.
Another reason I can think of is that the storage got full, and so these strange stuff started, but it should go back to normal when stuff was deleted and sufficient storage became available. Still, doesnt explain why lock wouldn't remain.... and other stuff. Really weird.

Modern,"Smart Phones" are very complex computers.With so many apps on them that get updated some updates don't always play nice and mess up the phones.You could spend hours tracking down a single app that might be a cause of a problem.
As you say as well the the storage on the phones might well have got clogged up with old Temporary data that has not been cleared out as it should.
For future reference another trick is to wipe the Cache partition from Recovery mode.I would have suggested this first but as you said space was running out it's best to have a clean start

Yes, it was good to have a clean start with the phone.
Thank you for that trick to wipe the cache partition from Recovery mode. Will keep that in mind.
Thanks a lot again.

Phone downloaded apps by itself, even without data enabled.

Hi all.
I have searched quite a bit and have found no answer to this problem yet.
So the phone is fresh from factory reset. Phone is pre-owned. Never connected to any wifi network and the wifi always remained off. Same goes with mobile data, never turned on. What's even more interesting is the sim is a prepaid simcard with no credits and no data. The simcard is intended to receive text and calls. (No cost to receive calls or sms). So data leak from that isn't possible either.
I have seen hidden downloaders from carrier that downloads bloatware by itself before. But this is the first time I've ever seen it self download apps without any data connection.
The built-in data usage counter still shows 0. The phone has never connected to anything. But now several bloatware apps just showed up. And those apps do work and storage used has increased. I noticed this around 24 hours after the reset.
Can someone please explain what is going on?
Do phones have secret functions to access data undetected by wifi or carrier?
The phone manufacturer is a one of the major brands and probably the largest that don't have access to GMS.

WishTime said:
Hi all.
I have searched quite a bit and have found no answer to this problem yet.
So the phone is fresh from factory reset. Phone is pre-owned. Never connected to any wifi network and the wifi always remained off. Same goes with mobile data, never turned on. What's even more interesting is the sim is a prepaid simcard with no credits and no data. The simcard is intended to receive text and calls. (No cost to receive calls or sms). So data leak from that isn't possible either.
I have seen hidden downloaders from carrier that downloads bloatware by itself before. But this is the first time I've ever seen it self download apps without any data connection.
The built-in data usage counter still shows 0. The phone has never connected to anything. But now several bloatware apps just showed up. And those apps do work and storage used has increased. I noticed this around 24 hours after the reset.
Can someone please explain what is going on?
Do phones have secret functions to access data undetected by wifi or carrier?
The phone manufacturer is a one of the major brands and probably the largest that don't have access to GMS.
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Some devices have system apps that can be "uninstall", but they don't actually uninstall completely because the uninstalled apps are stored in a hidden partition. But, once uninstalled, if the device is factory reset, the apps automatically reinstall themselves from the hidden partition, similar to when resetting a PC to factory defaults. I had a tablet that would do this, the apps were definitely uninstalled but would reinstall from the hidden partition when I would factory reset the device, then I would have to uninstall those apps again. This would happen every time I did a factory reset.

Droidriven said:
Some devices have system apps that can be "uninstall", but they don't actually uninstall completely because the uninstalled apps are stored in a hidden partition. But, once uninstalled, if the device is factory reset, the apps automatically reinstall themselves from the hidden partition, similar to when resetting a PC to factory defaults. I had a taste would do this, the apps were definitely uninstalled but would reinstall from the hidden partition when I would factory reset the device, then I would have to uninstall those apps again. This would happen every time did a factory reset.
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Thanks for the answer.
Yes I understand that part of uninstall. But the difference here is those apps never returned fresh from factory reset. It returned hours after using the phone. The first few hours of using the phone, those apps doesn't exist, doesn't even show up on the free space count. It wasn't until the next day those apps appear.
I did suspect what you said too, but I can't explain why it waited at least 18-24 hours delay before installing itself and show up on the phone. If that was the case, it should have appeared right after the reset.

WishTime said:
Thanks for the answer.
Yes I understand that part of uninstall. But the difference here is those apps never returned fresh from factory reset. It returned hours after using the phone. The first few hours of using the phone, those apps doesn't exist, doesn't even show up on the free space count. It wasn't until the next day those apps appear.
I did suspect what you said too, but I can't explain why it waited at least 18-24 hours delay before installing itself and show up on the phone. If that was the case, it should have appeared right after the reset.
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Yes, I considered that also. The only other thing I could imagine is that maybe you installed something and then whatever that was installed the additional apps.

Questions of a hidden Google mesh network come to mind after reading this. I guess it's theoretically possible via Wi-Fi or Bluetooth between devices. I don't know.

So after trying to gather more information.
I believe it is installed from some "hidden partition" by some hidden app installer.
The reason is.
1. No data of what so ever is connected.
2. The installed app version is old, as in few months before the official release.
What is intriguing is.
1. The delay before installing this app (and through an installer), rather than just install it fresh from reset.
2. It doesn't appear to be consuming and storage, as if this hidden partition cannot even be seen. Once the app appears, the storage usage increases.
zpunout said:
Questions of a hidden Google mesh network come to mind after reading this. I guess it's theoretically possible via Wi-Fi or Bluetooth between devices. I don't know.
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I actually believe it is a thing. I vaguely remember that my brand new iPhone detected and recommended my current location region without even inserting a simcard or connecting to wifi yet. The kicker is, phone was purchased in another country that is separated by vast ocean and several time zones.
To this day I still can't figure out how did the iPhone know that. I suspect that the wifi routers broadcast more than just SSID to any device that is not connected. Or it could be from another iPhone. Maybe some similar bluetooth tech that predates "Airtag". This was about 3-4 years ago, likely it was the X.

WishTime said:
So after trying to gather more information.
I believe it is installed from some "hidden partition" by some hidden app installer.
The reason is.
1. No data of what so ever is connected.
2. The installed app version is old, as in few months before the official release.
What is intriguing is.
1. The delay before installing this app (and through an installer), rather than just install it fresh from reset.
2. It doesn't appear to be consuming and storage, as if this hidden partition cannot even be seen. Once the app appears, the storage usage increases.
I actually believe it is a thing. I vaguely remember that my brand new iPhone detected and recommended my current location region without even inserting a simcard or connecting to wifi yet. The kicker is, phone was purchased in another country that is separated by vast ocean and several time zones.
To this day I still can't figure out how did the iPhone know that. I suspect that the wifi routers broadcast more than just SSID to any device that is not connected. Or it could be from another iPhone. Maybe some similar bluetooth tech that predates "Airtag". This was about 3-4 years ago, likely it was the X.
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Location is detetmined by more than just mobile data and Wi-Fi, it also uses the regular cellular part of the radio. The cellular part of the radio works even without an active SIM. That is why the emergency location and emergency call features work even without the device being activated on a network so that you can make emergency calls and your location can be tracked in emergency situations so that you can be found if you need help or rescue.