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Tap to wake without lockscreen

Hi guys.
I'm one of those who do not have lockscreens in my phones.
Also, I love the double tap to unlock feature. Been using it on my G2, G3, OnePlus3T.
This feature on the Pixel only works if you have a lockscreen. This is more like a "double tap to lockscreen" rather than "double tap to wake".
Is there a way around this?
Now I know there are apps that do this, but they are not managed by the kernel, are unstable and drain more batt than they should. I'm hoping a dev can look into this
Cheers!

MasK said:
Hi guys.
I'm one of those who do not have lockscreens in my phones.
Also, I love the double tap to unlock feature. Been using it on my G2, G3, OnePlus3T.
This feature on the Pixel only works if you have a lockscreen. This is more like a "double tap to lockscreen" rather than "double tap to wake".
Is there a way around this?
Now I know there are apps that do this, but they are not managed by the kernel, are unstable and drain more batt than they should. I'm hoping a dev can look into this [emoji14]
Cheers!
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I agree with every single thing you wrote. I don't like to lock my phones either, but like to have the raise-to-wake feature. I happen to like Gravity Screen, but as you found, it does eat battery to set it up the exact way I want (use motion instead of proximity). So this is what I do. Establish a lock method so tap-to-wake or raise-to-wake works. Then turn around and create smart lock situations to bypass that lock. For example, I establish smart lock by locations, and by Bluetooth connections. Since I always wear a smart watch of some kind, it leaves my phones unlocked, but tap-to-wake still works.

I tried to get the double tap only to work as well but I failed. I don’t need to lock my phone either. Coming from BB10 where all I had to do was swipe up to unlock my phone man that was great. A slight swipe would show the lock screen a full swipe gesture would unlock the phone. None of this involves touching the power button I am simply talking about picking the phone up and swiping without hitting the power. BB10 was awesome it really was great but I think the lack of apps didn’t allow it to shine.
The finger print to unlock is pretty quick and easy but if your phone is position in a way that your not going to unlock it with your finger you have to use a pin or pattern to unlock.

quangtran1 said:
I agree with every single thing you wrote. I don't like to lock my phones either, but like to have the raise-to-wake feature. I happen to like Gravity Screen, but as you found, it does eat battery to set it up the exact way I want (use motion instead of proximity). So this is what I do. Establish a lock method so tap-to-wake or raise-to-wake works. Then turn around and create smart lock situations to bypass that lock. For example, I establish smart lock by locations, and by Bluetooth connections. Since I always wear a smart watch of some kind, it leaves my phones unlocked, but tap-to-wake still works.
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Thanks for you replies, guys.
I didn't find the trusted devices method that reliable for some reason. I do have a smartwatch I use for work, but not for leisure, so I will not have a consistent experience unlocking the device. Also, this only work if it's secure (other than swipe).
So in order to use the T2W feature, you might as well have at least a simple swipe lockscreen.
Also, I tried something else last night. Elemental X kernel. It has T2W built in and works pretty alright. It is more sensitive (original implementations require you to tap with a little force) and 2 gentle touches is all that's required to unlock. Does not consume a lot of battery.
I may check out Gravity screen as well, to prevent accidental unlocks when it is upside-down (in my pocket) and that should do it.
And yea, I was also trying out Tasker, automating "swipe up" when I wake up the device. Didn't go too well. In case you guys wanna tinker with it, lemme know if you get it to work

MasK said:
Thanks for you replies, guys.
I didn't find the trusted devices method that reliable for some reason. I do have a smartwatch I use for work, but not for leisure, so I will not have a consistent experience unlocking the device. Also, this only work if it's secure (other than swipe).
So in order to use the T2W feature, you might as well have at least a simple swipe lockscreen.
Also, I tried something else last night. Elemental X kernel. It has T2W built in and works pretty alright. It is more sensitive (original implementations require you to tap with a little force) and 2 gentle touches is all that's required to unlock. Does not consume a lot of battery.
I may check out Gravity screen as well, to prevent accidental unlocks when it is upside-down (in my pocket) and that should do it.
And yea, I was also trying out Tasker, automating "swipe up" when I wake up the device. Didn't go too well. In case you guys wanna tinker with it, lemme know if you get it to work
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The really nice thing about Gravity Screen is that it puts you back where you left it, not the lock screen.

MasK said:
Thanks for you replies, guys.
I didn't find the trusted devices method that reliable for some reason. I do have a smartwatch I use for work, but not for leisure, so I will not have a consistent experience unlocking the device. Also, this only work if it's secure (other than swipe).
So in order to use the T2W feature, you might as well have at least a simple swipe lockscreen.
Also, I tried something else last night. Elemental X kernel. It has T2W built in and works pretty alright. It is more sensitive (original implementations require you to tap with a little force) and 2 gentle touches is all that's required to unlock. Does not consume a lot of battery.
I may check out Gravity screen as well, to prevent accidental unlocks when it is upside-down (in my pocket) and that should do it.
And yea, I was also trying out Tasker, automating "swipe up" when I wake up the device. Didn't go too well. In case you guys wanna tinker with it, lemme know if you get it to work
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I would be interested in implementing a Tasker profile to do this. I'll let you know if I get anything good.

I finally turned it off. Fingerprint scanner doesn't work even though the scroll up and down still does so I'll live.

Not sure if it would work, but what if you disabled double tap in the rom, disable lock screen in the rom and flash Elemental kernel and enable double tap with it?
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joshw0000 said:
Not sure if it would work, but what if you disabled double tap in the rom, disable lock screen in the rom and flash Elemental kernel and enable double tap with it?
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Instead of flashing that kernel, flar2 also created a stand-alone app called Wake Gestures to accomplish just that. The app can be downloaded from his signature line.

quangtran1 said:
Instead of flashing that kernel, flar2 also created a stand-alone app called Wake Gestures to accomplish just that. The app can be downloaded from his signature line.
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I'm not familiar with the app. Does it drain battery like some of the others that people have mentioned in this thread. I really like Elemental in that I can also enable sweep2sleep. I've actually been using the stock DT2W and Elemental just for the sleep function.
I keep my phone propped on my desk at work and can quickly lock and unlock it as needed.
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joshw0000 said:
I'm not familiar with the app. Does it drain battery like some of the others that people have mentioned in this thread. I really like Elemental in that I can also enable sweep2sleep. I've actually been using the stock DT2W and Elemental just for the sleep function.
I keep my phone propped on my desk at work and can quickly lock and unlock it as needed.
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The app is created by flar2, the creator of ElementalX, so I don't believe it would be any different than his kernel. I use it and I do not experience drain. One additional feature the app has is the extra protection of accidental pocket turn-ons.

Android pay without secure lock?

I'm wondering if there is any way to use Android pay without a secure lock screen. I currently have magisk and can get Android pay working, it's just that I hate having a secure lock screen.
Ideally, I'd like to keep the "swipe" lockscreen and have Android pay working.
If there's a better forum, let me know. Thanks!

The best I can say is using smart Lock. I use my citizen smart watch - as long as it's connected, no secure lock. You can use location, face matching, on body detection (so until it's still and flat on a table). All usable without root. The only thing that can stop this from working is an exchange policy from something like a work email account.
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Smart Lock - Lots of Issues

I tried to enable Smart Lock and have run into a couple issues which no amount of searching gave way to results. I'm on a stock unrooted device.
Is there a way to make this feature work based on location? Seems to not work in locations where I set it to. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling google play services to no avail. Rebooting does nothing to fix.
Sometimes when I try to view the Smart Lock settings, after entering the pin/pattern nothing appears in the menu at all. Very buggy. Does this feature just plain suck or something? I'd rather not use face unlock, but this might force me to.

SOCOM-HERO said:
I tried to enable Smart Lock and have run into a couple issues which no amount of searching gave way to results. I'm on a stock unrooted device.
Is there a way to make this feature work based on location? Seems to not work in locations where I set it to. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling google play services to no avail. Rebooting does nothing to fix.
Sometimes when I try to view the Smart Lock settings, after entering the pin/pattern nothing appears in the menu at all. Very buggy. Does this feature just plain suck or something? I'd rather not use face unlock, but this might force me to.
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I have issues like this. Supposedly, smart Lock not working by location is a bug from Google not op. It is very hit or miss

thejase said:
I have issues like this. Supposedly, smart Lock not working by location is a bug from Google not op. It is very hit or miss
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I wonder if this is an Oreo issue and if it will be fixed in P. Very annoying. I may just drop security all together. I didn't have it on my last phone for over 3 years. I like the idea of it, but not being able to unlock the phone while driving and at "trusted" places is pretty useless.

SOCOM-HERO said:
I wonder if this is an Oreo issue and if it will be fixed in P. Very annoying. I may just drop security all together. I didn't have it on my last phone for over 3 years. I like the idea of it, but not being able to unlock the phone while driving and at "trusted" places is pretty useless.
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Agreed

And the fingerprint unlock not fast enough for you. I do it in one motion. Pick up phone and unlock just like that

nujackk said:
And the fingerprint unlock not fast enough for you. I do it in one motion. Pick up phone and unlock just like that
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It has nothing to do with speed and everything to do with convenience. Let's not forget that GOOGLE is the one who added the feature. Oreo has been out, in general, for a while. It should just plain work. If I'm at home, why should there be a lock on my device? When I'm out however, it just makes sense to be locked down. Adding a feature that actually doesn't work or works some of the time, is something you'd think they'd have caught during Oreo testing at Google; particularly, as it's an issue with Android, not manufacturers. Even my wife's Galaxy S9+ has this issue.

@thejase
I get that but I don't use it as I'm the opposite phone should be locked when not in my hand never know what will happen,who may come over to visit I have lots of nieces and nephews. One who grabs any phone he can.
But I meant it to be fast enough that it's as if it's not locked.
If you want to stick with
Smart lock have you tried use the voice feature it may work.
Also look into Tasker I seem to remember someone using it to unlock the device based on location. I use it to turn on and off my Wi-Fi based on location. Auto start my music when in my truck.

thejase said:
It has nothing to do with speed and everything to do with convenience. Let's not forget that GOOGLE is the one who added the feature. Oreo has been out, in general, for a while. It should just plain work. If I'm at home, why should there be a lock on my device? When I'm out however, it just makes sense to be locked down. Adding a feature that actually doesn't work or works some of the time, is something you'd think they'd have caught during Oreo testing at Google; particularly, as it's an issue with Android, not manufacturers. Even my wife's Galaxy S9+ has this issue.
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Seems to be working better today. Disabled the "smart lock" in trust agents setting under fingerprint and security, then booted to the stock recovery and wiped the cache only. (I'm not rooted yet, but TWRP would work for this as well). Seems to have led to a fix, but it could be temporary. As for usefulness of smart lock, I am not worried about others in my own home taking my device and combing through it for all I care. If you have kids or are concerned about content on your phone being messed with, just don't use the feature. For a lot of people, it is a useful feature to have.

This issue has returned and requires a cache wipe almost every day. Beyond annoyed. I am considering deleting my fingerprints or any security. Pretty stupid feature that makes the phone require a password every single time I want to use it, when this feature could have alleviated that in so many places where I know my phone is safe (home, work, car).

Oneplus 6 - Phone unlocks with smart lock off on Android P
I don't use smart lock option in my phone but after upgrading to Android P, even when the smart lock option is off, my phone screen opens when picked immediately as it is supposed to show the screen is locked. Any suggestions please

Disadvantages of rooting?

I just ordered a Pixel 3a and I was gone for a while from the world of Google phones (since Nexus 4).
I know Magisk hides any trace of root and unlocked bootloader, but is there any disadvantages unique to Pixel devices when rooting, like disabled features or is hiding good enough that there won't be any difference? Just to be sure

Artim_96 said:
I just ordered a Pixel 3a and I was gone for a while from the world of Google phones (since Nexus 4).
I know Magisk hides any trace of root and unlocked bootloader, but is there any disadvantages when rooting, like disabled features or is hiding good enough that there won't be any difference? Just to be sure
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Nothing as far as i know.

Unstroofy said:
Nothing as far as i know.
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That sounds great. Wasn't sure if they might have done something through the Titan M or else

Rooting means unlocking your bootloader. This makes your phone at greater risk of being compromised - especially if someone has physical access to your phone (ie you lost it and someone finds it). Therefore you don't want to leave your bootloader unlocked if you have any sort of sensitive, illegal, or secret information on your phone. That's the #1 issue you have to live with. Of course for 99% of the population, there isn't anything really sensitive on their phones.
Google Pay can be hard to get working when rooted. There are ways to make it work, but it's always a cat and mouse game with Google and it may not always work in the future if Google changes something until the developers can catch up. If you can't live without Google Pay, rooting may not be the best choice for you.
There are other apps that can be temperamental when rooted - usually finance apps and some games (because they don't want players cheating). However, the Magisk hide functionality usually works with most of these apps now.
For me, the added functionality that being rooted brings (via modules and apps) is far better than the potential issues.

sic0048 said:
Rooting means unlocking your bootloader. This makes your phone at greater risk of being compromised - especially if someone has physical access to your phone (ie you lost it and someone finds it). Therefore you don't want to leave your bootloader unlocked if you have any sort of sensitive, illegal, or secret information on your phone. That's the #1 issue you have to live with. Of course for 99% of the population, there isn't anything really sensitive on their phones.
Google Pay can be hard to get working when rooted. There are ways to make it work, but it's always a cat and mouse game with Google and it may not always work in the future if Google changes something until the developers can catch up. If you can't live without Google Pay, rooting may not be the best choice for you.
There are other apps that can be temperamental when rooted - usually finance apps and some games (because they don't want players cheating). However, the Magisk hide functionality usually works with most of these apps now.
For me, the added functionality that being rooted brings (via modules and apps) is far better than the potential issues.
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Tl;dr: nothing new. And never had a problem with any apps. Magisk Hide is working well enough, deleting apps data always works as last resort. And on custom ROMs just use MagiskHide Props Config. And if you are concerned about your data, just use the lockscreen passport as bootup protection. Then it's simply impossible to get to the data through that "insecurity", no matter what you do. And since fingerprint readers a more complex password isn't a problem.

Artim_96 said:
Tl;dr: nothing new. And never had a problem with any apps. Magisk Hide is working well enough, deleting apps data always works as last resort. And on custom ROMs just use MagiskHide Props Config. And if you are concerned about your data, just use the lockscreen passport as bootup protection. Then it's simply impossible to get to the data through that "insecurity", no matter what you do. And since fingerprint readers a more complex password isn't a problem.
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I'm not sure exactly what you mean by lock screen passport. Can you share some more details?
The insecurity comes from the fact that a person that has physical access to your phone can simply turn the phone off and then start it and hold the power and volume up buttons. This will boot the device into the bootloader. Because the bootloader is unlocked, it allows that person the ability to flash anything and gives that person access to anything they want. That super secure lockscreen password or fingerprint won't help keep them out and does nothing but give users a false sense of security.
When the FBI paid a 1 million dollar bounty to someone to access an iPhone, they were paying someone to get around the bootloader. If you unlock your bootloader, you give this access right from the beginning - for free, and without any effort required.
I'm not trying to be argumentative either. You asked what the drawbacks to rooting were and I was simply trying to give a thorough answer. It's up to the individual user to decide if the the positives of unlocking the bootloader and rooting outweigh the negatives. If you look at my signature, you can see what side of the fence I fall on.

sic0048 said:
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by lock screen passport. Can you share some more details?
The insecurity comes from the fact that a person that has physical access to your phone can simply turn the phone off and then start it and hold the power and volume up buttons. This will boot the device into the bootloader. Because the bootloader is unlocked, it allows that person the ability to flash anything they want. That super secure lockscreen password or fingerprint won't help keep them out.
Again, I'm not familiar with this lockscreen passport you mention, so perhaps there is a way to secure the phone that I am not aware of.
I'm not trying to be argumentative either. You asked what the drawbacks to rooting were and I am simply trying to give an thorough answer. It's up to the individual user to decide if the the positives or rooting and unlocking the bootloader outweigh the negatives. If you look at my signature, you can see what side of the fence I fall on.
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Was a typo,I meant lockscreen password. Android should ask you, if you set up a lock method other than Swipe to unlock, if you want to be asked for it on bootup.
So no matter what you are able to flash through an unlocked bootloader, /data and with it anything that could be relevant stays encrypted until you enter the lockscreen pin/pattern/password, no matter if you do this on the screen that will interrupt bootup after a few seconds or in TWRP. So it doesn't matter what you could come up flashing, as long as you don't find a way to extract the encryption key from the secure storage either in Titan M or any ARM processor, there is no way to get your hands on user data. The only thing you can do is simply wipe /data. Then you can start up new, but the users data will be gone.
And no, I never asked for disadvantages of root itself since there are little to none, I just asked for Pixel unique stuff since Google always adds stuff that other OEMs won't use for years to come.

Artim_96 said:
And no, I never asked for disadvantages of root itself since there are little to none, I just asked for Pixel unique stuff since Google always adds stuff that other OEMs won't use for years to come.
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I misunderstood your initial post then, but the title of the thread says, "Disadvantages of rooting?"

sic0048 said:
I misunderstood your initial post then, but the title of the thread says, "Disadvantages of rooting?"
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Fixed that. Hope the text is more clear now.
But could you reproduce what I explained? Because I would be very surprised if that was unique to Motorola and not AOSP

Question Fingerprint to unlock apps without using a locked homescreen?

Anyone know how to keep fingerpint to unlock apps without using a lock on the homescreen?
Im not a fan of locking my homescreen but i like being able to use my fingerpeint to unlock banking apps instead of logging in with password.
It seems like you need a fingerprint lockscreen to keep the feature to unlock apps with fingerprint. They seem to be connected. Any way around it?

You could put the apps you want locked into the secure folder.

+1. It'd be great to be able to log into apps with fingerprint and keep using swipe or a pin code to unlock our phones. Anyone know of a way?

pcriz said:
You could put the apps you want locked into the secure folder.
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Thanks but thats just more steps to get into the banking apps.

dj24 said:
+1. It'd be great to be able to log into apps with fingerprint and keep using swipe or a pin code to unlock our phones. Anyone know of a way?
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For me… i dont like a lock screen. But i do like fingerprint for my banking apps so i dont need to type in my password.

skillzo1 said:
For me… i dont like a lock screen. But i do like fingerprint for my banking apps so i dont need to type in my password.
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Gotcha. I'm the opposite... still would like a lock screen but using the other alternatives..

Probably no way around it sense the biometrics on your device are a shared asset. It references what the phone identifies as you to identify you in the app. Its why you can have four finger prints that can verify you in the bank app but you only need one for the initial setup. And switching to none for lockscreen removes all biometrics.