Mate 8 bricked. Button combo's do nothing :( - Mate 8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I've foolishly tried coming back down from NXT-L29C636B585 ending up on NXT-L29C636B330 after using the roll back update mid-way. I then tried the roll back update again to then flash to NXT-L29C636B211 and now my phone does nothing but show the boot logo and get hot - which in this weather I could live without!
Power+up does nothing, power+down does nothing, and power+up+down also does nothing. I don't have TWRP on, and adb/fastboot commands do nothing as it can't get to recovery. I can't even turn it off!
Is it now a paperweight? The only way to turn it off is to let the battery run down I think as holding power down just makes it restart.

Confirmed - it only turns off if the battery runs out. On giving it charge it then pops up with the logo screen again, and again none of the buttons combinations do anything other than restart it. I think my only option now is to send it off to Huawei. Does anyone have any ideas other than having to send it off?

Did you connect it to a PC before trying power + volume down? Was the reason it didn't work for me before.

Yeah, hold Power + Volume down after connecting it to your computer via USB and you should see go into fastboot mode.

arvin2212 said:
Yeah, hold Power + Volume down after connecting it to your computer via USB and you should see go into fastboot mode.
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I'll give it a go when I get home! god I hope this works..

YES! FASTBOOT! Only issue now is i'm FRP unlocked, but PHONE locked.. I can use the tool to unlock the phone as I have my password from Huawei, but what then? use the tool to flash one of the recoveries?
Thanks for the advice so far - I was very nearly physically sick when i realised nothing worked..

Try unlocking the bootloader and flashing twrp

bootloader unlocked and I used the SRK tool to flash stock 4.1 so now getting messages about my phone not being secure. Next step I figure is build enough charge in it to try flashing B330 again assuming power + vol up/down is working

bootloader unlocked. twrp 3.0.3 flashed ok:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Minimal ADB and Fastboot>fastboot flash recovery twrp.img
target reported max download size of 471859200 bytes
sending 'recovery' (23498 KB)...
OKAY [ 0.500s]
writing 'recovery'...
OKAY [ 0.330s]
finished. total time: 0.834s
However TWRP is nowhere to be found.. I just get the 'Your device has been unlocked' waffle and can't get to recovery still. Left the phone to fully discharge, and on inserting a mains lead to charge it for a while it then auto starts up and goes to the same screen - I try power&up and it just goes to the red charging 'lightning bolt' screen - then back to 'Your device' etc. I have no way of getting into TWRP!
I've been flashing Samsung phones for years and I can't remember ever getting this infuriated on a flash procedure..
I think I may have to do everything through fastboot as that's the only screen I can get to - but the only thing I can alter which seems to make a visible change is locking or unlocking the bootloader.
Should I re-lock with TWRP supposedly on? I have tried, and all I get is the 'not enough charge' screen - regardless of how long it is left untouched on power. It's as if all the charge I am putting in is just going to heating up the back and showing me the flipping message - then it runs low enough on charge to blank the screen, reboot and then end up with the unlock screen.
All I want to do is hold down all the buttons and have it install B211 - B330 - B'anything' from the dload folder on the sdcard I have in there. If anyone could tell me what to do to get to that point i'd be super happy. Failing that is there a way to fastboot flash a rom file?

Make sure to unplug the usb cable in order to get to TWRP.

malekowsky said:
Make sure to unplug the usb cable in order to get to TWRP.
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At the moment i'm just struggling to get back to stock let alone a custom rom! If I ever get back to working phone in any way i'll be happy..
I've extracted out the boot, recovery and system from B330 and flashed them all through fastboot then re-locked the bootloader. It is still starting up with the Huawei logo as if booting up, and stays at that screen - It eventually then goes blank, pops up with the red circle with red charge pic in it, then after a while the Huawei logo reappears. I am essentially no further forward.
The more I flash things the more it pays no attention to me and sits on my work desk doing nothing.
I'm wondering if - in my epic screw-up - I managed to somehow destroy some part of the OS that governs charging, as it refuses to hold a charge while plugged in to the pc, powerbank or mains lead. At least thats what it is showing me.. It stayed powered long enough for me to fastboot flash the system.img, but that is when on the pc usb connection.
When I lock/unlock the bootloader through the SRK tool it finishes with the 'choose lock or unlock then press power' option which then promises a system reset.. and then it turns off with the red power screen. I can flash TWRP but because it is seeming not to hold a charge, I cannot then get into it without cables attached as it just boots back to the red charge screen.
Is there another file from the update.app I need to flash? should I just flash every single image and hope for the best? I really felt I was getting somewhere this afternoon..

Have you tried what I posted to you on?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=72758529#post72758529

Don Kronos said:
Have you tried what I posted to you on?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=72758529#post72758529
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I plan to in the morning at work!

SOLVED: Phew - problem solved! see https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-8/general/best-c636-rom-battery-life-t3623313#post72775720

Don Kronos said:
Have you tried what I posted to you on?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=72758529#post72758529
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Hey,
I unbricked my phone using the same method - thanks for mentioning it! But sadly I'm stuck again. Maybe you have a hint for me?

Patneu said:
Hey,
I unbricked my phone using the same method - thanks for mentioning it! But sadly I'm stuck again. Maybe you have a hint for me?
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Replied on that post! Probly not that useful though..

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Wifi Xoom Rooted? RSD mode 3 -- no fastboot, no adb

Hi. I was on #xoom at freenode earlier and I got some help, but unfortunately no solution. (thank you Kas, EbonyGhost, Pyrator and the others)
I flashed the recovery here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074979
I flashed... THE ZIP!!
The flash went well, then the device rebooted and showed "Starting RSD mode 3"
I have only 2 screens:
- with VolUp + power = dual core techno + "Starting RSD mode 3"
- with VolUp + power then immediately VolDown = only the dual core tech logo, no text
Either way: no adb, no fastboot. Tried other usb slots. Tried reinstalling moto drivers.
The xoom never gets recognised by windows. I don't have the dongdong sound when I plug it, in either mode.
I already tried this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=973355
but I get < waiting for device > because it's not recognised by windows...
Any other idea?
Thanks
Regards
Note: I might be away for several days. I'll try everything you say, but maybe I won't be able to post my feedback until monday night (around GMT timezone)
I have this exact problem.
So, when you power up the device, you press 'vol-down' when you see the Motorola logo? Because that should put you into fastboot mode. Don't use the power+vol-up, only turn on device and press vol-down when you see the logo. I've been in the same situation, but was able to get fastboot working like this...
if you hold the volume down button and power on the device and get no fastboot then you may as well just send it to motorola. looks like this is becoming a problem and cannot be fixed.
mbroeders said:
So, when you power up the device, you press 'vol-down' when you see the Motorola logo? Because that should put you into fastboot mode. Don't use the power+vol-up, only turn on device and press vol-down when you see the logo. I've been in the same situation, but was able to get fastboot working like this...
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This. Flashing the wrong partition should *not* mean that you can't get into fastboot any more.
I know that volume down should get me to fastboot but in fact it doesn't. Windows never makes dong dong when i plug the xoom... My drivers are ok because my nexus one gets recognized instantly and adb is working fine on the phone...
Any reason you don't use RSD to flash the wifi xoom sbf file? (I'm pretty sure someone said that was released not too long ago)
I didn't try yet, I can't find the SBF for the wifi xoom.
I tried the 3G SBF file it's not even working. I know it's not the right file for my device but since it's already bricked...
I have RSD Lite 4.9, latest moto drivers, updated using the moto tool.
When I load the sbf file in rsd lite, I can't see the device, and pushing start has no effect.
I did that when the device was showing "Starting RSD mode 3"
How can I get it back?! I tried on my windows laptop and also on a macbook, without any luck.
This is happened to me , and i flipped cuz i rendered my $600 Xoom to a paper weight , i rebooted (Volup+power then voldown) , i tried ADB and it didn't work... then i left my computer to do something, i returned to my PC and i was flipping through DOS command lines (up and down arrows) and click enter in one of the commands by mistake and it worked! the command was "fastboot erase cache"
i then typed the following to return to stock (you need the stock files)
Code:
fastboot flash boot boot.img
fastboot flash system system.img
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
fastboot flash userdata userdata.img
fastboot erase cache
fastboot oem lock
Thanks, but I don't have fastboot. It's always < waiting for device >
Topper Harley said:
Thanks, but I don't have fastboot. It's always < waiting for device >
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You mentioned you tried the steps in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=973355, but how did this section go:
"Even though there was no response from the device, I pressed Vol Down + power until the screen went black. I then quickly pressed and held Vol Up + power. The device then went into the bootloader, received the queued command from fastboot, and flashed the boot.img."
ed. The other suggestion I heard floating around is to flash the CDMA Xoom's SBF -- yes, it won't get you all the way there, but it might restore things up to the point where you can get into fastboot and then flash the stock images.
I did try already to fastboot flash boot boot.img (stock), then reboot pushing vol up, vol down, both, using clicking or holding them... no luck
I also tried to flash the VZW SBF file but RSD Lite doesn't even see the device. I'm trying now to get some linux running and use sbf_flash instead because I was told that it's more efficient than the linux one.
No luck yet on that part either.
I was able to get my xoom restore with the following steps:
Hold Power + Vol up to start reboot
immdiately hold Power + Vol down (This will get you to the Fastboot menu)
enter the commands
fastboot flash boot boot.img
fastboot flash system system.img
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
fastboot flash userdata userdata.img
fastboot erase cache
You've now successfully flashed your Xoom back to stock. Now it's time to relock the device.
Type fastboot oem lock, wait for the menu, the press the volume-down button. Then press the volume up button. It'll take a minute or so, then reboot. You're now completely back to stock and ready for the update.
hoopsdavis said:
I was able to get my xoom restore with the following steps:
Hold Power + Vol up to start reboot
immdiately hold Power + Vol down (This will get you to the Fastboot menu)
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It stops here. I can't get fastboot.
I tried waiting for the battery to die and tried every combination of vol up/down/power, hold/click/double click the buttons...
I'll let it cool off for one day without battery... maybe it'll wake up wanting to give me fastboot...
I'm losing hope...
Topper Harley said:
It stops here. I can't get fastboot.
I tried waiting for the battery to die and tried every combination of vol up/down/power, hold/click/double click the buttons...
I'll let it cool off for one day without battery... maybe it'll wake up wanting to give me fastboot...
I'm losing hope...
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I'm in the same situation here... tried basically all the same steps. I'm lost too... can't connect with ADB, Fastboot or RSD... tried all kinds of key combos as well. "Starting RSD Mode 3"... its wearing me down!!
How can i change the topic title? I wanted to say "xoom bricked?" but I typed rooted by mistake
I'm in this exact situation, and I've tried everything suggested here. I spent some time in IRC talking to a few developers, and we tried pretty much everything to get fastboot to work. No luck, so I tried RSD like you said, and that didn't work, either. Eventually we gave up, and I got an RMA from Motorola via their website. I should receive the FedEx box tomorrow so I can return it to them.
If you want, I'll report back here when the whole process is over and tell you if they end up fixing it for free or not. It sounds like it'll probably be at least a week, though.
benso87: yes, tell me. I have time don't worry (away from home until may 28th)
Otherwise, I think mine is definitely a brick. I tried the last thing I didn't: boot linux and test sbf_flash: not working.
I'll try to send it to moto (the device is imported).
I'm kinda sad... not for the money, but for the bad command that completely destroys a device in seconds... and right, for the money aswell...
Small update: I got the box yesterday and sent it back, then got an email this morning saying Motorola received it. Hopefully the whole process will go this fast.
They gave me a tracking number and a site to check to see how things are going, so that's more info than I was expecting. They haven't asked any questions yet, so that's also good.

[Q] Hard brick?

Hey Guys,
so ive been messing around with this little phone and think i might have managed a hard brick. Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated.
was attempting to relock the bootloader and flashing my local 4.4.2 rom and on the command prompt when i reached flash system.img parsechunk lines, they failed. as it said permission denied.
Tried to continue with no luck. Restarted my phone and now cant get into recovery and no boot, the only screen i see is the white warning bootloader locked screen, get a vibrate and then it turns off again. Any ways to flash without Recovery or Fastboot or am i completely out of luck?
Sorry im new to motorolas, had no problems messing around with my old SGS2
Thanks in advance everybody.
did you try this ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2542219
the only problem is cant get the phone into fastboot mode. Thanks for the input though!
mackb44 said:
the only problem is cant get the phone into fastboot mode. Thanks for the input though!
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I've been in a few situations where I thought I had 'bricked' my phone. One way that worked (sometimes) was to long press the POWER button for a very long time(minutes), then release and (sometimes) it would reboot.
The usual way to the fastboot menu is - power off (which yours probably is), then hold vol. down and press power button for 5/10 seconds and release both.
Good luck!
jamsh said:
I've been in a few situations where I thought I had 'bricked' my phone. One way that worked (sometimes) was to long press the POWER button for a very long time(minutes), then release and (sometimes) it would reboot.
The usual way to the fastboot menu is - power off (which yours probably is), then hold vol. down and press power button for 5/10 seconds and release both.
Good luck!
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Yea tried both options, no luck!
The only screen i can get now is the bootloader unlocked screen or the white charging screen when plugged in. After that the screen will stay on but is completely black.
Success I can get into fastboot now!!!! not sure why i could not before
mackb44 said:
Success I can get into fastboot now!!!! not sure why i could not before
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yes i had something similar,bootlocker warning and then the screen going dark. i just ended up using fastboot and flashing a stock rom and went from there.
glad your panic is over .
quizmaniac said:
yes i had something similar,bootlocker warning and then the screen going dark. i just ended up using fastboot and flashing a stock rom and went from there.
glad your panic is over .
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Yea thanks buddy!
just have to wait for it to charge up before it will let me flash using adb, oddly its only showing that it is charging while plugged into usb and not the wall socket

Cannot Enter Bootloader or Use Volume Up.

Hello Guys,
My OnePlus One screen broke, it was in my drawer for more than 15 days without charge, i connected charger for 1 hour it just went from 1% to 5% but i didnt thought much about it as my priority was to change screen, i bought touch+lcd with frame and replaced it myself, but it wasnt powering up then i tried putting the backpanel on, it then booted up to the home screen, but the battery indicator wasnt moving up i powered off the phone after that it never turned on, i researched a bit and found out the after long period of time if you dont charge your phone might have problem charging and there was one suggestion which i followed and that was charge OPO using usb cable attached to PC, i left it for somewhat 7hours and it powered on i thought it might be the problem of ROM i flashed official H2OS (regret selecting this rom) using TWRP, it was a catastrophe my phone wont Enter Bootloader or Recovery, and wont even boot to system, it seemed i hardbricked my device, i used Oneplus one recovery tool 64GB to bring my device to life but after that no matter what i do my device wont enter to bootloader as the volume up button stopped working too : tried advance reboot, powerup+volumeup, opo toolkit.
Help me, i want to root my device and unlock bootloader once again.
Pra7ul said:
Hello Guys,
My OnePlus One screen broke, it was in my drawer for more than 15 days without charge, i connected charger for 1 hour it just went from 1% to 5% but i didnt thought much about it as my priority was to change screen, i bought touch+lcd with frame and replaced it myself, but it wasnt powering up then i tried putting the backpanel on, it then booted up to the home screen, but the battery indicator wasnt moving up i powered off the phone after that it never turned on, i researched a bit and found out the after long period of time if you dont charge your phone might have problem charging and there was one suggestion which i followed and that was charge OPO using usb cable attached to PC, i left it for somewhat 7hours and it powered on i thought it might be the problem of ROM i flashed official H2OS (regret selecting this rom) using TWRP, it was a catastrophe my phone wont Enter Bootloader or Recovery, and wont even boot to system, it seemed i hardbricked my device, i used Oneplus one recovery tool 64GB to bring my device to life but after that no matter what i do my device wont enter to bootloader as the volume up button stopped working too : tried advance reboot, powerup+volumeup, opo toolkit.
Help me, i want to root my device and unlock bootloader once again.
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adb reboot bootloader
waterdaan said:
adb reboot bootloader
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That Just Reboots it to system, i have turned adb on and clicked on trust this connection i have checked adb devices, and it shows attached devices too,
it just wont reboot to bootloader, but i can enter recovery. Help Please.
Pra7ul said:
That Just Reboots it to system, i have turned adb on and clicked on trust this connection i have checked adb devices, and it shows attached devices too,
it just wont reboot to bootloader, but i can enter recovery. Help Please.
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Is your volume up button actually broken or does it still work and can you boot into something? If it still works (hold on, this idea might be a little crazy xD) you could try completely hard bricking (no joke! you cannot get into Qualcomm download mode with a booting device) and restoring it with the msm8974downloadtool from the oneplus one unbricking guide which should theoretically fix everything that is wrong.
noahvt said:
Is your volume up button actually broken or does it still work and can you boot into something? If it still works (hold on, this idea might be a little crazy xD) you could try completely hard bricking (no joke! you cannot get into Qualcomm download mode with a booting device) and restoring it with the msm8974downloadtool from the oneplus one unbricking guide which should theoretically fix everything that is wrong.
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Even If my volume button dosent work then why wont it enter bootloader via advance reboot it just restarts to system after selecting reboot to bootloader,so i should hard brick my device once again, P.S. i have done that twice before though.

Help - my honor 8 was block - No access Fastboot Mode or Debugging Mode

Hello,
I downgraded my Honor 8 via Rollback and installed the Rom FRD-L09C432B131.
But my phone is stuck on the blue Android startup screen.
I can not use the Volume +, Volume - or Power buttons.
All I can do is let it turn off by itself when the battery is at 0%.
When I put it on, it turns on by itself. Arrives on a blue screen. Reboot once and then stays eternally on the blue screen while heating up enormously.
I have no access to the Recovery, erecovery or via the computer (by plugging it into a USB port).
Thanks
gregase said:
Hello,
I downgraded my Honor 8 via Rollback and installed the Rom FRD-L09C432B131.
But my phone is stuck on the blue Android startup screen.
I can not use the Volume +, Volume - or Power buttons.
All I can do is let it turn off by itself when the battery is at 0%.
When I put it on, it turns on by itself. Arrives on a blue screen. Reboot once and then stays eternally on the blue screen while heating up enormously.
I have no access to the Recovery, erecovery or via the computer (by plugging it into a USB port).
Thanks
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Once your phone turns off, press power button amd volume up button together. This should take you to recovery. Or you can't access this at all?
Sent from my Honor 8 using XDA Labs
I can not turn off my phone. It goes off when the battery is at 0%.
If I put on USB or mains, it recharges and restarts automatically. And I can not stop it ...
When I plug it into a USB port, the Power, Volume + or Volume buttons are ineffective.
And when it's plugged into the PC, it does not show up!
So I do not have access ... except perhaps by a software that would force the connection ... or a manipulation other than Power / Volume ..
When I say reboots, it is a program to display the Android blue screen and hangs on it!
does it say android or honor?
going to dload is kinda tricky sometimes and should be done when connected to wall adapter, not pc
can you keep vol- and power pressed while your phone is connected to pc. keep them pressed even after the phone restarts. dont let go. it might take some time. does it go to fastboot?
gregase said:
I can not turn off my phone. It goes off when the battery is at 0%.
If I put on USB or mains, it recharges and restarts automatically. And I can not stop it ...
When I plug it into a USB port, the Power, Volume + or Volume buttons are ineffective.
And when it's plugged into the PC, it does not show up!
So I do not have access ... except perhaps by a software that would force the connection ... or a manipulation other than Power / Volume ..
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Is your phone still covered by the warranty?
Sent from my Honor 8 using XDA Labs
Do a factory reset I believe
PalakMi said:
Do a factory reset I believe
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He can't even boot to recovery.
Sent from my Honor 8 using XDA Labs
Ohhh, sorry my bad
dats prolly because he has mismatched files for the os he's running. he should deffo check if he can go to fastboot. the fact that he cant go to dload doesnt really mean anything because i cant do it either 40% of the time. its a bit iffy. the fact remains, if it boots to honor logo, means some type of os is up there. if he can go to fastboot he can flash stock recovery/recovery2 and try dload again. without proper recovery combo he wont be able to flash anything anyways and warranty prolly wont cover it since its users fault, esp if he has unlocked warning.
Delete
Rommco05 said:
Check first post
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My bad
Rommco05 said:
No way, Im just want to show you is here too much threads witch similar problems and much information and experiences... I think about one guide/thread where will be all info about rollbacks and nougat firmwares. But is a lot of work about finding info, all is ok
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Thank you :laugh:
Similar to me, only way is go into bootloader mode, then charge the phone for awhile, you cant do nothing cuz of 0% battery, flash stock recovery, update via dload or direct wifi recovery.
qvnsq said:
Similar to me, only way is go into bootloader mode, then charge the phone for awhile, you cant do nothing cuz of 0% battery, flash stock recovery, update via dload or direct wifi recovery.
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He can't go to fastboot
if he completely bricked it, he'd be stuck at black screen/android logo, not honor logo. either he's not telling us everything (ran out of juice while upgrading / error while flashing / flashing wrong rom), there is no chance all key partitions got wiped if the process finished successfully. meaning at least he should be able to fastboot cause thats the first thing flashing alongside bootloader. no way any type of system partition is up there, and bl/fb is not, even if they are from a different OS. h8 can be stubborn at times, but keeping the cable in pc and holding vol_down+power for good 20s deffo will force it to at least reboot. thats the only way. if this doesnt work, you should take it to a service center.
I guess it's better if he takes it to the service center
Nothing works. So I have to send it to the service center
Thank you all !
gregase said:
Nothing works. So I have to send it to the service center
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It's sad but, I hope it gets fixed

Bricked Phone, No Recovery nor Fastboot, Stuck at loading screen

Previously, I was using Lineage 13 on my device. I wanted to restore it to stock ICS, so I flashed some backups I found here https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2295643.
However, now the phone is stuck on the loading splash screen and won't boot. Turning the device off, no combination of buttons will do anything (no recovery, no menu that let's you choose).
Using adb to try to reboot into recovery or fastboot just shuts it off, and it reboots normally, still stuck at the splash screen.
I have noticed that now when the phone powers on, I don't get the screen warning about an unlocked bootloader anymore.
I am sort of new to this, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Use RSD Lite to restore the phone to factory defaults.
I've tried this but my device does not show up. I do have the correct drivers installed.
thatlegit said:
I've tried this but my device does not show up. I do have the correct drivers installed.
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I haven't done this in literally years, but I think the device needs to be in fastboot mode.
Make sure you follow all the instructions carefully.
arrrghhh said:
I haven't done this in literally years, but I think the device needs to be in fastboot mode.
Make sure you follow all the instructions carefully.
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I can't get into fastboot right now. Not when it's shut down or through adb.
thatlegit said:
I can't get into fastboot right now. Not when it's shut down or through adb.
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You've tried the power+camera (I think that's the combo) to get the menu? There should be a button combo to bring up a menu to enter fastboot, recovery, etc.
If you can't get to fastboot, I don't think there's anything that can be done. I've never (soft) bricked this device so hard that fastboot didn't work...
Test to flash phone via rsd with factory cable OR pull out battery and connect 4V from power supply directly to battery contacts.
If is still dead or rsd gives you writing error then this problem is for 90% bad emmc connection or bad emmc self.
Is needed to desolder metal cover and heat emmc with approx 380-400°C for few seconds and then very little and carefully push from side to emmc with needle.
If this not helps too then desolder emmc, make new balls and solder it back.
...you can find emmc chip under large metal cover on keyboard side on mainboard.
thats all

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