Does it get hot under normal usage? How much degree celcius are you getting while doing basic task and watching video?
No no heat problems on mine. I believe Sony has introduced new technology for the heat problem.
ali_bobo said:
No no heat problems on mine. I believe Sony has introduced new technology for the heat problem.
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Can you tell me what degree celcius of the CPU and battery when doing basic tasks
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Can you tell me what degree celcius of the CPU and battery when doing basic tasks
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Both sitting on average 28 Degrees.
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Both sitting on average 28 Degrees.
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Does it get warm while watching 4k content? Like in this video https://youtu.be/cjApm_Stl5Y
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Does it get warm while watching 4k content? Like in this video https://youtu.be/cjApm_Stl5Y
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Nope no signs of phone getting warmer. Played perfectly fine.
My XZ or XZs didn't get hot or even slightly warm, exactly the same deal with this, I would say it runs even cooler!
That link only offers me a max of 1080/60 not 4k
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That link only offers me a max of 1080/60 not 4k
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Because video in link is recorded to 1080/60fps...
The phone is runs cool and somehow has what's turning out to be quite a long battery life
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Well, I have been testing my XZP for two now. It is getting warm - definitely. If you put it under extreme load, it´s getting warm, even that warm your palms get a little sweaty - but not uncompfy warm. My LG G4 in comparison got that hot you´d barely wanna touch it.
Look for an app on Google play called "epic citadel" and run it.
Left it going for about 30 minutes and walked around a bit. Phone got Luke warm. Used 8% of the battery.
Not so much hot to me
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Any and all computer(s) CPU's will get warm to hot depending on the load. This is the nature of the beast. But mine does not get warm at all the way I use it. My battery life is phenomenal!
Gets warm if you play games for a long period, but nowhere near hot. Also I noticed that, compared to my old phone, the warmth is pretty much the same on the entire back. It's not just hot where the chipset is. All in all, the phone is awesome regarding heath control.
The phone does get hot after a while.
It's cool most of the time, and even if it gets hot, it has great cooling so leaving it alone cools it off in minutes.
As for the temperature, i was doing a stress test the other day (3D) and the phone seems to have capped at 38-39 Celsius degrees (that is slightly higher than body temperature so you can definitely feel it). I didn't check temperature after that though.
It also gets warmer while both watching and shooting at 4K, or high speed (even 1080p though).
However trust me, if you had the Z3 Compact like I did, that phone was a freaking furnace. My battery was affected by it. If want to use my Z3C as a gps in my car, i have to shove it in front of the AC to keep it cool otherwise I'm afraid it's going to evolve into a Samsung Galaxy Note 7.
So this phone is a big big improvement. Though I'd like a phone someday that definitely doesn't get hot. But maybe that's too much to ask.
As I'm typing this, after about 30 minutes of active use, my battery is 35 celsius degrees. From normal use.
A cell phone is just too small to dissipate heat in a very efficient manner. That is why super fast, and powerful, gaming desktop PC's have several fans installed in them along with huge heat sinks sitting right on top of the CPU. The heat sinks are larger than this entire phone! I am an IT Systems Engineer and if you've ever had the opportunity to go to a large data center where servers are housed you will quickly notice the high volume of moving air in the entire area. It can even get quite cold in some data centers all for the same reason... Computers can get very hot! So the fact that OEM's can keep these things as cool as they do, with the CPU housed in such a small, airtight space, is really a marvel of engineering.
Hello , the phone doesn't get hot like my z2 is used to be , I've managed twice to get the phone (on purpose) , but with normal usage 4K video / gaming etc it won't get hot unless you spam many task at hight speed
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Does your Nexus 5 heat up? If so, how hot does it get and what do you do on your phone to make it hot?
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Does your Nexus 5 heat up? If so, how hot does it get and what do you do on your phone to make it hot?
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My N5 comes nowhere near as hot as my N4, only slightly warm. And that is while playing Ingress and streaming music at the same time, something that would make my N4 choke
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Does your Nexus 5 heat up? If so, how hot does it get and what do you do on your phone to make it hot?
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Mine's so f'n hot I can't stand it :good:
Warm across the top half and it seems I only need to have the screen active to cause it.
As I've said elsewhere, web browsing, email reading....nothing that should be stressful makes that top half of my phone notably warm (front and back)
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Just played Carmagedon, top half isn't getting any hotter but there's surely no way that web browsing should cause the same heat levels that a game does......
mine is so hot i cant stop staring at it
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mine is so hot i cant stop staring at it
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Another useless thread, eh
Yeyinde said:
Warm across the top half and it seems I only need to have the screen active to cause it.
As I've said elsewhere, web browsing, email reading....nothing that should be stressful makes that top half of my phone notably warm (front and back)
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Just played Carmagedon, top half isn't getting any hotter but there's surely no way that web browsing should cause the same heat levels that a game does......
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when i ran benchmark software(separate cpu and gpu apps), I only noticed the top half getting slightly warm. only on the back side
I noticed this afternoon that my phone was getting really hot in my pants. I pulled it out to check and it appears that the phone had shut off. I had to turn it back on, apparently something wonky happened.
Don't judge me....
I was playing Tiny Death Star for 2.5 hours (burnt %40 of my battery). I am extremely happy with that. I'm assuming I could easily get to 5hours screen on time. I did notice that the top half was getting warm (read:not hot). I came from using a HTC One X and it is definitely running a lot cooler than that phone.
Judging by the massive heat sink I have on my quad core processor in my computer (it weighs 500g), I think the phone is doing alright only get warm and not melting through your fingers.
Top portion heats a lot in my nexus 5. It all started after using fault 3.5 mm jack.
My n5 gets warm, but no where near as burning hot as my n4 did. But a lot of that has to do with plastic/glass. I've actually read that the snapdragon 800 on average runs hotter then the snapdragon of the n4. It's all about the materials.
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Nexus 5 Heating
I have been using ma new N5 for the last one month and I realized that the device is getting heated up while browsing on 3G network and also playing HD games too.
Following are the few solution I am preferring:
1. Avoid stressing too much the Nexus 5 to prevent overheating injuries. Take a break sometimes.
2. Remove any casing whenever you are playing HD games(High Graphical) to let heat flows out.
3. It is recommended not play games while the phone is being charged unless your room is very cool.
Phones are getting silly thin and super power full = heat
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Warm across the top half and it seems I only need to have the screen active to cause it.
As I've said elsewhere, web browsing, email reading....nothing that should be stressful makes that top half of my phone notably warm (front and back)
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Just played Carmagedon, top half isn't getting any hotter but there's surely no way that web browsing should cause the same heat levels that a game does......
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Avoid using the Chrome browser as it tends to make the CPU run at high frequency and heat up the phone. Its a known issue for users but Google has done it deliberately to make the chrome run smooth.
Gets hot while playing certain games
i have tried a lot of games(asphalt 8, badland, dead trigger 2 etc) my phone generally has no major heating issues but two games plants vs zombies 2 and injustice really heats up the back of the nexus 5 to the point of unbearable. Also PvZ 2 drains the battery really quickly. Is anyone of you having the same issues? though anything else like videos or webbrowsing does not heat up the phone just makes it warm but such few games are causing lot of problems.
I can easily reach 100 F (or higher) just using dolphin browser. I haven't owned that many android phones, but that seems a little excessive. I would understand that temperature for a game, but not just for some web browsing...
It gets warm, but not hot like my Note 2 did.
Hello. I'm new with the account here, but been reading this forum for years.
I'm creating this thread because my new Nexus 5 (which I have for 20 days now) is overheating more than a normal mobile device should.
When i bought it, it had 4.4.4 Kit kat android, and I had that one for about 5 days, and in that time, I didn't notice any overheating, or maybe didn't pay attention, can't remember really.
But after installing official Lollipop 5.0.1, the device is heating pretty good even when browsing internet for 5 minutes, at about 30-40% brightness.
**** Please tell me if some of your devices are acting the same, and is it worth a try to install back an older android to try if it will stop overheating, or my device may be faulty and should I take it back for another one (or maybe switch to LG G2) ?
Because I'm still unable to post image links, i will write it down:
- Ambient temperature: 23 degrees Celsius
- The temperature sensor is taped on the back side, at the side of camera, this is where it overheats most. (even if not using camera)
- Phone temp after staying on standby with screen off: 28 C (it's not warm but it is warmer than desk which it is sitting on)
- After staying idle on home screen with screen on for 10 minutes (50% brightness): 30.5 C
- After chatting on Messenger for 10 minutes: 34.3 C (feels warm)
- After recording video for 4 minutes: 41 Celsius!!! (almost uncomfortably hot in the whole upper half of the phone, both the back side and the screen)
- After 15 minutes letting it cool down, with screen off of course, it is 38 C (still hot to touch), and it stays like that untill I reboot the phone, then it cools down.
The test took about 50 minutes, and after that, battery was drained for about 25%.
-While charging, the phone does not overheat, just gets a little warm which is OK. (haven't tried wireless charging)
P.S. I don't play games on the phone...
Please act quick in case I should return the phone...
the only time my phone gets hot is when im intensively doing a lot of things..
for example.. im playing ingress, have tether ON, and my two sons are using their tablets connected to my phone playing ingress too..
but if i turn off the game and turn off tether, it cools down..
to me it sounds u have something intesively using your CPU and perhaps GPS and other radios.
hold power button.. when PWR OFF shows, long press it and reboot into SAFE MODE...
use the phone for a bit and see if it gets warm... this should tell you if its apps installed.
I only used wifi, no tethering, no GPS, 3G, NFC or any other radios, cell signal is good so phone is not searching for it.
- In safe mode, it still gets warm when using camera. When browsing internet and watching images in google search, also but just mild warm..
- But after sitting and thinking, I've found a problem! After recording with camera and leaving it to cool down, it didn't cool down because it had to make an effort to upload that 5 min video on Google drive via Auto backup!
After turning the Auto-backup off, it is now much cooler!
I will post tomorrow with the results, if something changes...
Anyway, thank you!
First of all, "warm" doesn't mean anything.
Battery temperature does not mean much either, as the CPU is what generates the most heat.
There is a battery temperature throttle that reduces the CPU frequency, but it is almost entirely pointless as the CPU will always reach it's own throttle temperatures MUCH, MUCH earlier than the battery will. The CPU starts throttling at 65C CPU temp (NOT battery temp), and shuts itself down at about 105C CPU temp. Unless your battery somehow reaches a batterytemp of 70C+ (nearly impossible because the CPU will always hit it's throttle first), then I would never even take it into any sort of consideration unless you have a physical battery defect.
Using the camera generates heat since it's CPU and power intensive.
Using the phone in general will generate heat.
Keep in mind that mobile devices are passively cooled, not actively cooled with a fan/liquid.
Not sure what you're so worried about.
Lower your brightness
Lethargy, thank you for a short physics lesson. I'm already into physics and cooling systems so all is clear. I was just worried a bit because all of my previous phones weren't getting this warm (hot), but also never had a multi-core processor in phone eather, maybe that's the reason why I never experienced this before.
Battery temp (measured with app) gets up to 40-42 degrees Celsius, while the phone case gets up to 41 when recording video. Of course that temp won't damage the device, I'm not worried about the processor, but that temp is degrading battery life, in long term.
And about the brightness, phone is not meant to be used at lowest brightness all the time, so that shouldn't be an excuse for high temps. Just sayin'...
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Lethargy, thank you for a short physics lesson. I'm already into physics and cooling systems so all is clear. I was just worried a bit because all of my previous phones weren't getting this warm (hot), but also never had a multi-core processor in phone eather, maybe that's the reason why I never experienced this before.
Battery temp (measured with app) gets up to 40-42 degrees Celsius, while the phone case gets up to 41 when recording video. Of course that temp won't damage the device, I'm not worried about the processor, but that temp is degrading battery life, in long term.
And about the brightness, phone is not meant to be used at lowest brightness all the time, so that shouldn't be an excuse for high temps. Just sayin'...
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The only thing that sounded odd was how it wasn't cooling down until you rebooted, but it sounds like you figured that out with the automatic upload setting.
41-42c battery temp can be normal after prolonged usage, though personally I usually see that after a short gaming session. My brightness is around 40% and high brightness will cause extra heat.
Otherwise the phone is very thin so you can feel the stacked SoC and RAM heat up through the skin fairly easily, right around the camera area as you mentioned.
I think each device and CPU is slightly different and can vary by a few degrees under load as well.
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Lethargy, thank you for a short physics lesson. I'm already into physics and cooling systems so all is clear. I was just worried a bit because all of my previous phones weren't getting this warm (hot), but also never had a multi-core processor in phone eather, maybe that's the reason why I never experienced this before.
Battery temp (measured with app) gets up to 40-42 degrees Celsius, while the phone case gets up to 41 when recording video. Of course that temp won't damage the device, I'm not worried about the processor, but that temp is degrading battery life, in long term.
And about the brightness, phone is not meant to be used at lowest brightness all the time, so that shouldn't be an excuse for high temps. Just sayin'...
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Your temperatures are fine and you shouldn't worry about it. It's average for a Nexus 5, and there are throttles/shutdown temps anyways, for both the battery and CPU. I've had mine for a year and there hasn't been any sort of issue, normal usage should be negligible to the condition of the battery.
Ok, everything seems to be ok then. Now I can go to sleep without worrying Thanks guys!
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Some phones are great to take camping because if you play Asphalt 8 long enough, the back warms up to the ideal temperature that can bake bread. Rate this thread to express the extent to which the Huawei Nexus 6P stays cool under extended heavy use. A higher rating indicates that even when playing strenuous games for long periods of time, the phone doesn't get uncomfortably warm.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
I think the large size of the 6P helps to dissipate heat. Seldom does the phone warm up except when doing a lot of video, and even then it's warm, not hot.
Actually doesn't get that hot. only twice it got warm. initial set up and once in my car on a warmer than average day.
Find it no better or worse than other phones i have owned
Have not noticed any overheating in the least bit.
It can get warm but hardly hot like Samsung phones.
I haven't been able to get my phone to top 38C. The only way it hit that was after about half hour of continued gaming use, which I don't think is hot.
I don't have any real world temperature readings but it seems to get uncomfortably warm to hold against your ear when you are on a call for a long time. Plus playing games or watching videos ramps up the temperature quickly.
In normal usage the heat is low and the phone flies but even only somewhat intensive games definitely heat up the phone faster and the framerate suffers.
Phone does warm up on not so intensive tasks. A bright screen would do this. It's definitely not what I'd describe as 'hot' ala my Z3. However... I believe the phone throttles the performance quite a lot when it gets warm.
Exactly the same than other phones i have owned
interesting how people have diferent opinions.
this phone gets HOT, not if its sitting on the table and if ur facebooking, but use the camera for 10-15min straight, or navigation in a car, or skype, it gets hot that I cant put it on my face afterwards.
But same **** happens with Note5 as well, they are just very powerfull devices.
But saying it doesnt get hot is a straight forward LIE.
The 6P only got quite hot during initial setup.
similar heat with other s810 machine for mine
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similar heat with other s810 machine for mine
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Or any other... My gs1 used to get really hot.... So did my g2x which was the first dual core phone.... I have yet to see this phone get as hot to the touch as those
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It can get warm but hardly hot like Samsung phones.
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i had the note 4 was overheating so much that i cant hold it
It does get a tad warm, but nothing compared to my S4 which was literally hot
It's normal.
The nexus 6p has surprised me. My initial thoughts when i first setup my device was this device gets hot. It's almost been almost a month and I've got to say this device is just like any other device. I still believe the nexus 6p does a better job of heat dissipation than other smartphones
My 6P never really goes over 40 degrees Celsius.
I just bought the HTC U11 and it's amazing. The only issue is that since I turned it on it feels quite warm in the hands. (I'm not used to that unless it is on heavy usage)
Is this normal? What are the normal temperature ranges? What are the temperature ranges that you are getting when you use it?
My phone seems to be at 36-40 degrees when connected to the internet, not downloading any apps and on light use.
What's the highest temperature at which I should start worrying?
For 20 days I have it, I have yet to experience it warm in hands (no matter what I do). This is current situation:
Maybe it's doing some updates in the background? Like for me, the Google photos in the beginning (of setting up the phone) would be downloading the thumbnails from my account. My phone run pretty cool to touch, even when running Candy Crush... on my Moto X pure it was hot when doing that.
35-40 degrees is standard for me under normal use, with HTC's bundled case and 28ºC room temperature..
The phone only gets a bit warm (not burning hot at all) but I'm worried about the long term effect on battery life.
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I just bought the HTC U11 and it's amazing. The only issue is that since I turned it on it feels quite warm in the hands. (I'm not used to that unless it is on heavy usage)
Is this normal? What are the normal temperature ranges? What are the temperature ranges that you are getting when you use it?
My phone seems to be at 36-40 degrees when connected to the internet, not downloading any apps and on light use.
What's the highest temperature at which I should start worrying?
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Do you feel the area above fingerprint sensor hotter than compared to the other area?
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Do you feel the area above fingerprint sensor hotter than compared to the other area?
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The phone is hotter on the top and bottom parts of the screen (right above the finger print sensor compared to the middle of the screen.
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35-40 degrees is standard for me under normal use, with HTC's bundled case and 28ºC room temperature..
The phone only gets a bit warm (not burning hot at all) but I'm worried about the long term effect on battery life.
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Thanks! This sounds similar to what I'm experiencing. What's weird is that whenever I use the phone I also get a tingly numb sensation in my hands and arm (which has never happened with any other phone)which is also making me more sensitive to it.
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Maybe it's doing some updates in the background? Like for me, the Google photos in the beginning (of setting up the phone) would be downloading the thumbnails from my account. My phone run pretty cool to touch, even when running Candy Crush... on my Moto X pure it was hot when doing that.
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It's still the same case even a day later, so I don't think it's because of any background updates.
Thanks for telling me!
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Thanks! This sounds similar to what I'm experiencing. What's weird is that whenever I use the phone I also get a tingly numb sensation in my hands and arm (which has never happened with any other phone)which is also making me more sensitive to it.
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The phone is shocking you, maybe? Could be distributing an electric charge through your arm...
Aish466 said:
Thanks! This sounds similar to what I'm experiencing. What's weird is that whenever I use the phone I also get a tingly numb sensation in my hands and arm (which has never happened with any other phone)which is also making me more sensitive to it.
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Are you used to smaller phones? Phablets like this are a bit awkward to handle unless you have huge hands, maybe that's the reason.
Mine heats up as well. I only play games like Angry Birds, Plants vs Zombies and Candy crush. I installed CPU-Z to monitor the temperature. Cpu temperature is around 45-47c whole playing games. It reaches 50c while video recording. While Browsing and reading, the temp is around 38-40c. The area above the fingerprint sensor gets warm first and then the rear (near the camera). Is this normal?
50c is nothing unusual for a htc device. If the device feels warm to touch then everything is normal. If the device feels ice cold and you record those temperatures then you have a problem. The chip will have a thermal cut out switch so if your phone gets too hot it'll switch off. I think it's somewhere around 60c-65c as 70c is the standing temp for boiled water which can cause serious burns to skin, like a cup of coffee or tea.
Hi, I want to buy the Rog 5 but I've heard that it has high temperatures even from light use (like when using YouTube it reaches 40degrees celcius). How are the overall thermals? I'm not talking about throttling I'm talking about general temperature when using the phone for light tasks. Any info would be highly appreciated. Also any info on battery life would be great too
From what I have heard from Youtube and reddit, It is a hot phone because it keeps internals in a good temperature, plus they achieved better temperature after update.
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From what I have heard from Youtube and reddit, It is a hot phone because it keeps internals in a good temperature, plus they achieved better temperature after update.
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But having a warm phone isn't a good sign is it? I'm currently using a huawei p40 pro plus and it's super cool (probably because of the ceramic body). You mentioned an update, so is the rog 5 cooler after the update? On YouTube Technick ran a battery drain test and the Rog 5's peak temp was almost 60 degrees celcius
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But having a warm phone isn't a good sign is it? I'm currently using a huawei p40 pro plus and it's super cool (probably because of the ceramic body). You mentioned an update, so is the rog 5 cooler after the update? On YouTube Technick ran a battery drain test and the Rog 5's peak temp was almost 60 degrees celcius
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I don't know about the reliability of this man, but look here
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I don't know about the reliability of this man, but look here
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Thanks man. This really helped.
I got it a few days back, I can share some impressions. Yes, it's a hot phone. Yes CPU temp gets up to about 40 degrees sometimes when browsing or multitasking. Gaming also gets it to about 45 - 50 on CODM and Dead Cells and between 55 and upwards of 60 with Genshin Impact. A Peltier effect cooler like the FunCooler from black shark brings this down about 10 degrees. This temperature is mostly felt at the center of the display, while the sides on the back, where the batteries are, remain noticeably cooler. Perhaps their goal was to dissipate het through the display, idk.
I haven't been able to notice any drop in performance yet, even with the thermal limit set to low. What I don't know is how this affects the chip long term, but I hope it doesn't degrade for at least about 5 years. Either way I'm sticking with a cooler for Genshin impact just to make sure the device lasts longer.
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I got it a few days back, I can share some impressions. Yes, it's a hot phone. Yes CPU temp gets up to about 40 degrees sometimes when browsing or multitasking. Gaming also gets it to about 45 - 50 on CODM and Dead Cells and between 55 and upwards of 60 with Genshin Impact. A Peltier effect cooler like the FunCooler from black shark brings this down about 10 degrees. This temperature is mostly felt at the center of the display, while the sides on the back, where the batteries are, remain noticeably cooler. Perhaps their goal was to dissipate het through the display, idk.
I haven't been able to notice any drop in performance yet, even with the thermal limit set to low. What I don't know is how this affects the chip long term, but I hope it doesn't degrade for at least about 5 years. Either way I'm sticking with a cooler for Genshin impact just to make sure the device lasts longer.
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Thanks for the reply. 40 degrees from just web browsing is ridiculous. Rather dangerously high and will definitely degrade batteries. Think I'll give the rog 5 a miss
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Thanks for the reply. 40 degrees from just web browsing is ridiculous. Rather dangerously high and will definitely degrade batteries. Think I'll give the rog 5 a miss
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40 is the CPU reading I get. Batteries stay about 5 degrees below the CPU for normal use generally according to my observations, just to make that clear. Not sure which battery temp it's actually reading though, since there are 2 batteries.
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Спасибо за ответ. 40 градусов от простого просмотра веб - страниц-это просто смешно.
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120/144 Hz need more power
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40 is the CPU reading I get. Batteries stay about 5 degrees below the CPU for normal use generally according to my observations, just to make that clear. Not sure which battery temp it's actually reading though, since there are 2 batteries
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40 is the CPU reading I get. Batteries stay about 5 degrees below the CPU for normal use generally according to my observations, just to make that clear. Not sure which battery temp it's actually reading though, since there are 2 batteries.
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40 is still too high though for normal usage. I've never heard of a phone go that warm. My huawei sits at 22 maximum.
Phone arrived 2 days ago, in my experience It Is not that hot, while browsing / YouTube / Instagram It Is cool (about 31/32 °c) and my ambient temperature Is around 20 °. I have played 1 hour call of duty and It reached 37 ° on the cpu, while the phone was hotter, especially in the middle. I think this Is how It works, getting hot outside to be colder inside. Also I updated to firmware 2102.81 which helped a lot.
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Phone arrived 2 days ago, in my experience It Is not that hot, while browsing / YouTube / Instagram It Is cool (about 21/22 °c) and my ambient temperature Is around 20 °. I have played 1 hour call of duty and It reached 37 ° on the cpu, while the phone was hotter, especially in the middle. I think this Is how It works, getting hot outside to be colder inside. Also I updated to firmware 2102.81 which helped a lot.
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Thanks for this!! I'll probably buy one now