I've been having this problem for a long time, can't remember how much exactly. No matter what I've tried, I haven't managed to get my computer recognize my opo. I am still running Cyanogen 13.0, as it was the latest OTA update I got.
When I connect it via usb, absolutely nothing happens (I've also tried two cables). I have the device manager open and it doesn't even flash as it used when I had similar problems, which means that the device is not recognized at all. Therefore, I cannot find/update/remove the drivers anyhow.
Developer options on my phone have a bunch of things but none seems relevant, apart from open/close Android debugging (adb) and select USB Configuration (Charging/MTP/PTP etc). I've tried several options, nothing seems to change.
I've also installed some Windows MTP drivers (see here) which were supposedly solving the issue caused by a Windows 10 update, but no luck (which could have been the issue, but can't be sure-I can't remember the last time I was able to browse my phone's memory).
Any ideas?
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I've been having this problem for a long time, can't remember how much exactly. No matter what I've tried, I haven't managed to get my computer recognize my opo. I am still running Cyanogen 13.0, as it was the latest OTA update I got.
When I connect it via usb, absolutely nothing happens (I've also tried two cables). I have the device manager open and it doesn't even flash as it used when I had similar problems, which means that the device is not recognized at all. Therefore, I cannot find/update/remove the drivers anyhow.
Developer options on my phone have a bunch of things but none seems relevant, apart from open/close Android debugging (adb) and select USB Configuration (Charging/MTP/PTP etc). I've tried several options, nothing seems to change.
I've also installed some Windows MTP drivers (see here) which were supposedly solving the issue caused by a Windows 10 update, but no luck (which could have been the issue, but can't be sure-I can't remember the last time I was able to browse my phone's memory).
Any ideas?
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If win10 causing that much issues,why don't dual boot win7 alongside?
Edit- I personally use Win8.1 Pro and it works fine without any issues.
I've been running Windows 10 insider builds for a while and run Into the same issue at some point, I'm not sure on which build you are currently on, I've reported that on the insider HUB but got no reply. I found a "solution" which is selecting PTP in the options and the phone will be mounted as a media device and you'll be able to access DCMI folder and pass files. It doesnt mount always, but you need to try some extra times.
Another workaround is to use an USB drive and the use an OTG cable.
Apparently, it was just the cables' fault. I didn't figure it out immediately, as I had two faulty cables instead of one, but after all I came over a working one and the opo was recognized and mounted as usual.
Thanks anyway
tony.crete said:
Apparently, it was just the cables' fault. I didn't figure it out immediately, as I had two faulty cables instead of one, but after all I came over a working one and the opo was recognized and mounted as usual.
Thanks anyway
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Cheers!
tony.crete said:
Apparently, it was just the cables' fault. I didn't figure it out immediately, as I had two faulty cables instead of one, but after all I came over a working one and the opo was recognized and mounted as usual.
Thanks anyway
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I wish I had the same issue ?
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I've been searching for days for an answer to this and I can't find it. The biggest issue is that every time I plug my TF101 into my computer, I get Windows' wonderful "One of the USB devices attaching to this computer has malfunctioned" message. I get this using the OEM cable and brand new after-market cables. I've found a lot of different forums with similar problems but my symptoms list is different. Here's what's going on:
* The tablet charges just find through all of the cables despite not connecting properly through the computer.
* The dock (keyboard) works without issue and charges properly.
* Flash drives work properly in the USB ports on the dock.
* Android phone (Razr MAXX HD) recognizes that it's plugged into a device, the tablet briefly acknowledges a device (quarter of a second) but then stops reading the phone is plugged in.
* Maybe of note or maybe another issue, it doesn't want to connect to bluetooth devices, either. It recognizes them but refuses to connect.
* Everything is stock.
I've tried a hard reset and deleting every driver associated with the device properly installed and not. I don't have another computer to plug it into so I can't test that. I fear it may be a hardware issue but I don't want to resign to hardware issues but rather definitively know that the issue is a hardware issue.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
- Robby
Linux emulated through VirtualBox, see if that detects it.
Thing O Doom said:
Linux emulated through VirtualBox, see if that detects it.
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Tried it through VirtualBox with Ubuntu and another system (mine is Windows 7 Pro, the other system is Windows XP Pro). No dice on any of them.
My thoughts - bad USB cable.
You probably will say - BUT IT STILL CHARGES....
Yeah, mine does that too. But, one of the pins needed for computer connections is shorted. I used my cable 3 weeks ago to ADB, then last week nothing (trying to ADB to do the Ubuntu Touch resolution fix). Got a new OEM cable (and wall wart) from Office Depot, all better.
Virtualbox/ESXi/VMWare etc... I've had problems with all of them even in USB bridging mode. Nothing beats native.
Make sure the right drivers are installed; remove (not deinstall) completely the current ones as they may be corrupted and redownload ASUS Pad PC Suite from Asus' support site for your OS version, I believe it provides more recent Asus drivers (not 100% sure).
Also try the Universal 'naked' drivers for adb, I always have used those and they work flawlessly, and I included them in my peri tool because of this..
Here's where I'm at:
Don't have access to another OEM cable (hopefully fixing that in the next couple of days) so I can't test that. I did, however, install Ubuntu onto my system natively, plugged it in, and got zero response from the system using every cable that I have. I will buy that drivers may cause erratic behavior and such but not having the system recognize that a device was even plugged in makes me doubt the driver issue.
Thank you all for responses. I'll get another OEM cable and cross my fingers that solves the problem.
Just FYI, I know it's not convenient because it takes a month to get it, but I bought this cable and it works fine for data and charge. No need for an overpriced Asus branded one.
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I've been searching for days for an answer to this and I can't find it. The biggest issue is that every time I plug my TF101 into my computer, I get Windows' wonderful "One of the USB devices attaching to this computer has malfunctioned" message...
- Robby
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I've run into this problem with another device on my PC. Turned out to be a double whammy: the USB port on the PC acted up; and the driver for that device was partly corrupt. Tried it on another USB port to find out. It's not always the cable.
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I've run into this problem with another device on my PC. Turned out to be a double whammy: the USB port on the PC acted up; and the driver for that device was partly corrupt. Tried it on another USB port to find out. It's not always the cable.
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3 ports later I decided it wasn't a port issue (but I do appreciate the sentiment; I've been there with devices in the past).
Lethe6 said:
Just FYI, I know it's not convenient because it takes a month to get it, but I bought this cable and it works fine for data and charge. No need for an overpriced Asus branded one.
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I'm gunna try it; the worst that happens is I have another charging cable when I (inevitably) lose the three that I have now :fingers-crossed:
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I'm gunna try it; the worst that happens is I have another charging cable when I (inevitably) lose the three that I have now :fingers-crossed:
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I had the exact problem lol, I thought my cable went bad, I order another and threw that old cable away... damn what a bum, all it was was just the driver? Not sure, but when it does find the drivers and tried to install it, after installing the drivers knocked my wireless Ethernet off and disable too.
Still no dice
One, thanks everyone who has tried to help this out. I'm not tossing out "Thanks" yet because nothing has worked but I am thankful that people have tried.
Two, here's what I've done thus far that hasn't worked.
* Uninstalled and reinstalled (including fully deleting) every driver known to work with this device (including naked drivers). No dice.
* Uninstalled the driver while it was still plugged in and scanned for device changes. No dice (but this got me the closest; it "successfully" installed an "Unknown Device" and had me restart the computer).
* Used peri and hoped it would magically work after it installed the Naked drivers. No dice.
* Went through "[GUIDE] Getting ADB Setup; An Idiots' proof guide on getting ADB working for Rooting!" (no linking for me yet) hoping I missed something when I was installing. No dice.
* Installed Ubuntu and tried from the other operating system. No dice.
* Plugged into a Windows XP computer. No dice.
* Purchased the recommended cable. No dice.
* Prayed that it would work. No dice.
I'm stuck. I thought about sending it to Asus to have them repair it but I've not heard wonderful things about their repair service and I can't be without it for longer than a couple of days. It just frustrates me that Windows knows I've plugged something it but it simply refuses to recognize it, like it's taunting me into staring uselessly into a computer screen for hours without any solution (and hampering the work that actually means something to my life/career/marriage/etc.)
Any other thoughts? The only thing I haven't tried it is installing the drivers to plug it into my fiance's Mac to see if it will magically recognize it. I just wish I knew for sure it was a bad port on the bottom so I knew that I had to send it in to get fixed...
Thanks again!
- Robby
My computer for some reason reminded itself of not recognizing my Idol 3 5'5 6045k. Two days ago it was all fine and now everytime i connect it to the computer it only charges. I've tried everything from changing usb cables to unistalling andthen installing the device drivers, enabling debugging, restaring either smartphone and computer. Everything I can think of. Please help me out, I'm trying to root the smartphone and without it recognizing I can't do anything, not even transfer files. :crying:
sdfg said:
My computer for some reason reminded itself of not recognizing my Idol 3 5'5 6045k. Two days ago it was all fine and now everytime i connect it to the computer it only charges. I've tried everything from changing usb cables to unistalling andthen installing the device drivers, enabling debugging, restaring either smartphone and computer. Everything I can think of. Please help me out, I'm trying to root the smartphone and without it recognizing I can't do anything, not even transfer files. :crying:
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Obvious Question #1: Did you check the phone notification dropdown area to verify the phone is in MTP or PTP mode so it will show up on the pc? As for transfering files...you do have the option of loading up a microsd card with whatever files or installing a wifi adb app to connect wirelessly. You could even use an app like airdroid to let you do all sorts of things.
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Obvious Question #1: Did you check the phone notification dropdown area to verify the phone is in MTP or PTP mode so it will show up on the pc? As for transfering files...you do have the option of loading up a microsd card with whatever files or installing a wifi adb app to connect wirelessly. You could even use an app like airdroid to let you do all sorts of things.
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Therre's no notification after connecting the usb, it just charges the phone, seriously, I've tried everything to enable MTP but nothing does the job. And what do you mean by using an adb app? Can I root my smartphone by a wireless connection?
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Therre's no notification after connecting the usb, it just charges the phone, seriously, I've tried everything to enable MTP but nothing does the job. And what do you mean by using an adb app? Can I root my smartphone by a wireless connection?
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You are overcomplicating things. 1st...there is ALWAYS a notification in the dropdown that says what mode the phone is in....mtp, ptp, charge only or "cdrom mode" which installs the usb drivers. Pressing on that notification allows you to change the mode the device is in.
As for rooting....all you need to do that is to flash or boot TWRP (details on booting it are in the system image thread) and then flash the supersu zip from inside twrp to your device...reboot and done...but I think in the newer TWRP's they even offer options to root automatically...ie the zip is already built in. After rebooting to your phone you install the supersu apk from google play so you can configure what apps have superuser access.
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You are overcomplicating things. 1st...there is ALWAYS a notification in the dropdown that says what mode the phone is in....mtp, ptp, charge only or "cdrom mode" which installs the usb drivers. Pressing on that notification allows you to change the mode the device is in.
As for rooting....all you need to do that is to flash or boot TWRP (details on booting it are in the system image thread) and then flash the supersu zip from inside twrp to your device...reboot and done...but I think in the newer TWRP's they even offer options to root automatically...ie the zip is already built in. After rebooting to your phone you install the supersu apk from google play so you can configure what apps have superuser access.
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I'm telling you, everytime i try to connect my smartphone to the pc nothing shows up, i only notice the device is charging, there's no option anywhere to change it to MTP or Camera or CD ROM... And I've tried 2 different pc's
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I'm telling you, everytime i try to connect my smartphone to the pc nothing shows up, i only notice the device is charging, there's no option anywhere to change it to MTP or Camera or CD ROM... And I've tried 2 different pc's
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Your telling me when the phone is plugged into the pc you don't see the notifications below or some version of them at all? If so then you need to fully uninstall the devices in device manager including remove the drivers...then use the drivers in the system image thread (since you obviously can't use the ones from "cd rom mode" which would be the best solution). USB debugging isn't even an issue yet...your phone should still show up to the pc as a camera device (ptp) under just about ANY scenario using even built in windows drivers.
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Your telling me when the phone is plugged into the pc you don't see the notifications below or some version of them at all? If so then you need to fully uninstall the devices in device manager including remove the drivers...then use the drivers in the system image thread (since you obviously can't use the ones from "cd rom mode" which would be the best solution). USB debugging isn't even an issue yet...your phone should still show up to the pc as a camera device (ptp) under just about ANY scenario using even built in windows drivers.
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Thanks for all those tips, but I already tried that out aswell, 2 times to be precise, deleted all the drivers, rebooted pc and smartphone, tried different cables, but still nothing ever occurs.
sdfg said:
Thanks for all those tips, but I already tried that out aswell, 2 times to be precise, deleted all the drivers, rebooted pc and smartphone, tried different cables, but still nothing ever occurs.
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Have you tried a different cable? Perhaps that one is damaged or is only setup for charging? Only thing I can think of.
And then I realize you mentioned that Not sure what else would prevent it from giving you those options.
I'm also facing similar issue after the 2 update. Were you able to fix this?
http://askubuntu.com/questions/681959/ubuntu-14-04-15-10-android-file-access-issue?s=2|0.2054
Which kind of USB cable(s) have you tried specifically? Were they cheap eBay/generic kinds or well known branded ones?
Something as little as a Micro USB cable can cure a lot of problems. It needs to be a well built one by a known manufacturer to avoid problems.
brian117 said:
Which kind of USB cable(s) have you tried specifically? Were they cheap eBay/generic kinds or well known branded ones?
Something as little as a Micro USB cable can cure a lot of problems. It needs to be a well built one by a known manufacturer to avoid problems.
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Actually I've been having pretty good luck with the $1 ones from Dollar Tree but the key is certainly to try multiple cables....on some the microusb plug will make it difficult to get a solid connection especially if you have a case on the phone.
You may be missing the point of "trying" different cables. It's not so much the "quality" of the cable, it's the fact that some cables are for "power only", and "will not" transfer data, regardless of how hard you try.
You need to be using a "proven" data/power cable, otherwise your beating your head against the table for nothing.
Just to add, I put a piece of red tape on all my usb cables that are power only, no guess work.
I own idol3/moto g 2015 and s3, have no problem with other 2 device. I'm having this MTP issue after the UE40 update. Verified in all 3 OS, adb is detecting the device but not MTP/PTP. Idol3 support is not worthy responses.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/idol-3/general/mtp-issue-ue40-update-t3182564
http://askubuntu.com/questions/681959/ubuntu-14-04-15-10-android-file-access-issue
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I own idol3/moto g 2015 and s3, have no problem with other 2 device. I'm having this MTP issue after the UE40 update. Verified in all 3 OS, adb is detecting the device but not MTP/PTP. Idol3 support is not worthy responses.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/idol-3/general/mtp-issue-ue40-update-t3182564
http://askubuntu.com/questions/681959/ubuntu-14-04-15-10-android-file-access-issue
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Well, USB works fine here, and I've had 5 different rom's, 2 Canadian, 2 US, and the Chinese rom, on this phone without any USB issues, sorry, can't help any further.
After a complete wipe and restore, it worked.
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My computer for some reason reminded itself of not recognizing my Idol 3 5'5 6045k. Two days ago it was all fine and now everytime i connect it to the computer it only charges. I've tried everything from changing usb cables to unistalling andthen installing the device drivers, enabling debugging, restaring either smartphone and computer. Everything I can think of. Please help me out, I'm trying to root the smartphone and without it recognizing I can't do anything, not even transfer files. :crying:
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I had the same problem as well. It only showed charging when I plugged in the USB cable. Tried switching cables, turning off and on USB debugging but nothing worked. I finally just rebooted the phone and then it worked again. Strange that it suddenly stopped.
I have a different issue; the different USB modes work fine but I don't have the 'cdrom' option in the USB mode dialog. I've tried various Alcatel ADB drivers that I have found and none are working, using Win7 64. My Idol 3 4.7 is 6039I (US).
Answered my own question, simply install the Mobile Upgrade Q software.
nope, doesn't show up. it's a bug. i had it before, googled until i found a fix and got it working, now it's back to not being recognized. nothing shows on drop down menu.
So, a month or so ago I updated my phone to L without a hitch. This morning, I tried to begin moving to M, but I can't get my computer to recognize that the phone is connected to a USB port.
I'm running the latest Win 7 Pro build (current patches), I've tried using every USB port on the box, and I've tried four different cables. The Nexus will charge off the USB, but the PC will not connect to it, so I can't perform any of the flashing commands. Dev options are set on the phone, ofc.
Any idea what the problem might be? I've had this same computer since the phone came out and, as I mentioned, I just used it a month ago to update the phone. No clue why the computer won't see the phone as connected.
I should note that I can't get the Device Manager to see anything connected, either, so it's not trying to update drivers or anything. Besides, I believe those are current, since everything worked a month ago.
Thanks.
MSFT issued a bunch of security patches on 10 NOV. I wonder if that screwed up something? Is anyone else having issues with Windows recognizing that the phone is connected? Neither MTP nor PTP storage mode makes a difference.
FYI, looks like the culprit. I rolled back all the system updates and now the phone is recognized. Now I just have to go one-by-one and figure out which one broke ADB...
I'm posting cuz I've literally spent hours and hours searching, trying things, etc, and am stuck. I have several PQs with various CM/LineageOS ROMs. It is not a ROM issue because if I plug via USB into my desktop pc running win 10, they all work as I want. Presumably, it's a driver issue or something related to my specific laptop - I recently bought an old used laptop, originally shipped with win7. After purchase I immediately removed all partitions and installed win10 from disc (fyi, you can d/l win10 iso from microsoft and use win7 oem key to legally install fresh win10, even now the free upgrade stuff is over - that surprised me).
I cannot, no matter what I do, get file access via usb to my phone. I've tried lotsa things. I don't remember if/what I had to do to make my win10 desktop see them - maybe it was automatic, i dont remember, if it wasnt, I easily downloaded/installed what was necessary - but nothing I've tried makes my win10 laptop load the drivers, although it does detect something when I plug it in, and something else when I select MTP on the phone (vs charge). But just exclamation points in device manager and nothing in explorer. Among other things, I've tried MotorolaDeviceManager_2.5.4
It's especially annoying as I have a video on my phone I wanted to send out tonite and can't, spent another couple hours trying. Bluetooth works fine for pictures but freezes at 10% for video, no idea why. But I'd much rather just use a cable than figure out any wireless BS.
Incase it's something specific to this laptop and someone is curious, it's a Sony VPCF115FM. That 'base system device' and "unknown device" are always "!", MTP with "!" only appears when phone plugged in.
Yea definitely a driver issue. When you plug the PQ into your desktop (which seems to work) what shows up in device manager?
Have you tried to right click on the devices with yellow exclamation points and update the driver from Windows update?
I never followed up on this, but still haven't found a solution, and kinda forgot about it. It does work in PTP mode. And works for a newer Moto (Lenovo) phone on this laptop. Yes, I tried the windows 10 device manager update auto search thing (in fact, just tried it again minutes ago before I read this). I'm about to wipe and install fresh as this phone is running crazy slow lately and wanted to copy everything off before I wipe which is what reminded me of this issue - funny thing is that a google search of this problem ("mtp driver motorola photon q windows 10") found this thread as the third search result and I completely forgot I posted it. I vaguely recall I read your reply but was waiting to see if anyone else responded and then just forgot to follow up when it wasn't on my new list...
PROBLEM SOLVED! It happened in TWRP too and sideload was failing (for another reason) but made me try to figure out MTP again.
Found solution here for anyone with similar issue:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...0-solved/d2226a54-65db-41ba-9398-a12196cc279c
Gotta update driver and manually select "MTP USB" from list of devices, in my case I found it under portable devices.
Hello there! I posted in the N00B thread without any success and so am casting a wider net:
I have a rooted phone that's been working well for about 1.5 yrs and all of a sudden it's not able to connect to the computer via USB. It was working fine til about 3 months ago, no new apps or changes to the system as far as I know. It still charges when connecting to the computer but I don't get the prompt to choose the USB mode and the computer doesn't recognize it as any sort of device. I've tried it on several computers that have recognized it in the past without luck (drivers up to date) and have tried different USB cords.
I've gone to USB and developer settings and changed and restored default settings for USB connection as well as toggled a bunch of other settings in that section.
I've wiped the Cache and Davlik Cache several times.
I cleaned out the physical port. Any other thoughts? thanks!
If you are on windows 10 PC, the latest windows updates could be an issue. I faced the same issue with my computer. After rolling back windows update (or may be resetting the PC to default settings) has helped resolve my issue and i could connect my phone again normally. It is nothing to do with your phone as far as i know.
shokod said:
Hello there! I posted in the N00B thread without any success and so am casting a wider net:
I have a rooted phone that's been working well for about 1.5 yrs and all of a sudden it's not able to connect to the computer via USB. It was working fine til about 3 months ago, no new apps or changes to the system as far as I know. It still charges when connecting to the computer but I don't get the prompt to choose the USB mode and the computer doesn't recognize it as any sort of device. I've tried it on several computers that have recognized it in the past without luck (drivers up to date) and have tried different USB cords.
I've gone to USB and developer settings and changed and restored default settings for USB connection as well as toggled a bunch of other settings in that section.
I've wiped the Cache and Davlik Cache several times.
I cleaned out the physical port. Any other thoughts? thanks!
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You said the drivers were up to date but you didn't say whether you tried completely uninstalling the drivers. If you didn't, uninstall every driver you can find related to the Honor, reboot and plug the phone back in. I'm running the absolute latest version of Windows 10 and have no problem connecting my wife's Honor 8.
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If you are on windows 10 PC, the latest windows updates could be an issue. I faced the same issue with my computer. After rolling back windows update (or may be resetting the PC to default settings) has helped resolve my issue and i could connect my phone again normally. It is nothing to do with your phone as far as i know.
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Thanks for your suggestion - I did try rolling back the update without benefit. Also, to reiterate - this is not being recognized by several computers (including a Mac) and that leads me to believe that it's the phone that's the source of the issue. I don't even get the USB menu (Charging, MTP transfer, debug mode, etc) when I plug it into several different computers.
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You said the drivers were up to date but you didn't say whether you tried completely uninstalling the drivers. If you didn't, uninstall every driver you can find related to the Honor, reboot and plug the phone back in. I'm running the absolute latest version of Windows 10 and have no problem connecting my wife's Honor 8.
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Thanks for your reply- I uninstalled all the drivers and still nothing when I plug the phone in, after a reboot. Also, to reiterate - this phone is not being recognized by several computers (including a Mac) and that leads me to believe that it's the phone that's the source of the issue. I don't even get the USB menu (Charging, MTP transfer, debug mode, etc) when I plug it into several different computers.
It may be too obvious but did you try another USB cable? If it's not the cable try this with the default dialer *#*#2846579#*#* then select in background>usb hisuite, connect the cable and see what happens.
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It may be too obvious but did you try another USB cable? If it's not the cable try this with the default dialer *#*#2846579#*#* then select in background>usb hisuite, connect the cable and see what happens.
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I have tried different cables but no suggestion is too obvious! My sister in law actually also has an Honor 8 and her cable on my laptop is recognized, so that's what I've been using to troubleshoot with my phone. I did go into that menu you suggested and I tried toggling HiSuite, Manufacture, and Google and exit the menu and still nothing when I connect the cable (other than charging). Thanks
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I have tried different cables but no suggestion is too obvious! My sister in law actually also has an Honor 8 and her cable on my laptop is recognized, so that's what I've been using to troubleshoot with my phone. I did go into that menu you suggested and I tried toggling HiSuite, Manufacture, and Google and exit the menu and still nothing when I connect the cable (other than charging). Thanks
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Have you played with any of the developer options like USB Debugging or USB configuration...... Nevermind, just re-read your original post. I was almost sure the dialer thing would fix it but if a reset won't I'm at a loss. I still don't think that it's a hardware problem but I guess it could be. There are things like wiping the cache partition that I see some folks have used for various problems. That would be an option that wouldn't affect your apps.