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Now that the whole gear series has gone all Tizen on us.. what is the chance that they will work with non Samsung phones?
Is it going to be like now where you just get the Gear Manager apk working on the other phones and you are good to go? or is it going to be more complicated?
Anyone know anything about this Tizen crap at all?
Shouldn't matter. The thing holding back compatibility is that touchwiz is required on phone
so it should work on non samsung phones just like gear 1?
It already works, only a few thing are missing.
Check gear2neo qa subforum for the working gear manager apk !
It works with my nexus but I dont see the camera app on my Gear 2 Neo and I cant install any 3rd party apps on my watch like evernote and zite.
A little useless...
If you don't have a Samsung phone, why not wait on the Moto 360?
EVOme said:
If you don't have a Samsung phone, why not wait on the Moto 360?
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My sister got an s5 and got it for only $50. She just gave it to me for free.
EVOme said:
If you don't have a Samsung phone, why not wait on the Moto 360?
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Moto360 is one of those things that will one day come but no one can say battery will be good. No speaker phone on the Moto360 either.
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Moto360 is one of those things that will one day come but no one can say battery will be good. No speaker phone on the Moto360 either.
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By the time that notification-only watch comes out, the Gear 3 Solo will land. It's rumored to have its own cellular/data radios.
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By the time that notification-only watch comes out, the Gear 3 Solo will land. It's rumored to have its own cellular/data radios.
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Samsung announced an "Android Wear" version of the gear coming this year as well... now I am second guessing this gear 2! =/ ...just after I took the Gear 1 back and waited for this! ...craaazy lol
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Samsung announced an "Android Wear" version of the gear coming this year as well... now I am second guessing this gear 2! =/ ...just after I took the Gear 1 back and waited for this! ...craaazy lol
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Based on this video, I wouldn't wait on that if you're wanting a "full feature" smart watch. Besides, I think the resale value of the Gear 2 should be decent when they release another successor. So you could sell the Gear 2 just like you did the Galaxy Gear...
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Based on this video, I wouldn't wait on that if you're wanting a "full feature" smart watch. Besides, I think the resale value of the Gear 2 should be decent when they release another successor. So you could sell the Gear 2 just like you did the Galaxy Gear...
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You sound a lot like myself and enjoy all those features that others call "gimmicks". A watch with all the features is exactly why I stuck with the Gear. I wouldn't put it past them to include a front facing camera (even for just the Smart Stay feature alone). But then again, sometimes you have to just stick with something and enjoy what you have. A watch with an IR blaster, Camera, and handling phone calls is a great start for my first... um.. watch? lol... thanks for the advice! =D
p.s. The video just lost some of my interest for Android Wear... thanks for posting that! Im glad Samsung took it to the next level already.
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Samsung announced an "Android Wear" version of the gear coming this year as well... now I am second guessing this gear 2! =/ ...just after I took the Gear 1 back and waited for this! ...craaazy lol
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Don't ask me why, but I believe that watch won't be a flagship product as Gear.
It would be like a WP-like device for Samsung. Samsung also makes WP devices, but they hardly give much attention to that compared to Galaxy devices. Why do you think that Samsung wants Android Wear devices to succeed? They have invested in Tizen, and they want to people to buy into that instead of Android Wear devices. This also gives them a big incentive to control the whole ecosystem with Tizen-based devices.
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Don't ask me why, but I believe that watch won't be a flagship product as Gear.
It would be like a WP-like device for Samsung. Samsung also makes WP devices, but they hardly give much attention to that compared to Galaxy devices. Why do you think that Samsung wants Android Wear devices to succeed? They have invested in Tizen, and they want to people to buy into that instead of Android Wear devices. This also gives them a big incentive to control the whole ecosystem with Tizen-based devices.
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Thats a good point, but on the other hand, the tables are turned in this case. WP has like what, 4% market share, while Android has around 54% or so? It makes sense not to put too much love into WP. In this case, its the opposite where Tizen is .001% (thats a random guess...lol) and Android is way in the lead.
Luckily they talk to each other nicely, and I am assuming Tizen relies mostly on HTML5 and CSS to run apps so its more widely compatible (correct me there if I am wrong). I just know as much time, money and development they have put into Tizen, I could guess (and this is a guess) that they have already spent at least double in android development. I cant see them dismissing this on the same level as WP.
You did make a good point though, we can all tell they really REALLY want Tizen to succeed. lol
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Thats a good point, but on the other hand, the tables are turned in this case. WP has like what, 4% market share, while Android has around 54% or so? It makes sense not to put too much love into WP. In this case, its the opposite where Tizen is .001% (thats a random guess...lol) and Android is way in the lead.
Luckily they talk to each other nicely, and I am assuming Tizen relies mostly on HTML5 and CSS to run apps so its more widely compatible (correct me there if I am wrong). I just know as much time, money and development they have put into Tizen, I could guess (and this is a guess) that they have already spent at least double in android development. I cant see them dismissing this on the same level as WP.
You did make a good point though, we can all tell they really REALLY want Tizen to succeed. lol
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NOTE: This discussion might be OT, but I feel it's important.
You bring up very valid points, I appreciate that. It's good to have such discussions. BTW, Android has around 81% market share (worldwide) according to last IDC numbers.
Yes, Tizen relies of HTML5 and CSS. You have the option to make web apps and also native apps. Gear will (atleast initially) use Web runtime.
The reason why Samsung is investing in Tizen is purely from future perspective. Android doesn't give them total control of the ecosystem. Just have a look at present Android -- Google control Android. If I am brutally honest - the best parts of Android are not open. Google services, apps, maps, youtube, search are not open. You just can't have app store without taking all other google services along with that. Samsung doesn't like that as it limits their chances to create a serviceline of their own. Samsung would love to have have users do everything within their ecosystem. Like after getting a Samsung phone, they would want the users to buy the apps from their store (not Google Play), purchase music from them, rent videos from them etc., So how they plan to do it? They have now tie-ups with Amazon for books, tie-up with Yahoo for various web apps, Nokia Here as default map applications, 7digital, Slacker etc., Samsung also have to think what happens if google decides to keep Android for themselves? or start putting strict conditions to use their services?
Check this Tizen Whitepaper. Some very interesting statements --
Tizen’s open governance – which is designed to prevent any single entity from controlling the platform – will help it avoid the pitfalls of previous broad-based industry initiatives, which ultimately suffered from perceived vendor control.
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Tizen is designed to fill an important gap in today’s smartphone landscape: namely the perceived need for an open platform free from control by a single entity.
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It's not Apple or Microsoft that they are targeting, Google/Android is the target.
Works with Sony Xperia Z Ultra
I can connect with My Sony Z Ultra which is Android 4.3.
But, some functions are not working.
I used Gear Manager from this thread.
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NOTE: This discussion might be OT, but I feel it's important.
You bring up very valid points, I appreciate that. It's good to have such discussions. BTW, Android has around 81% market share (worldwide) according to last IDC numbers.
Yes, Tizen relies of HTML5 and CSS. You have the option to make web apps and also native apps. Gear will (atleast initially) use Web runtime.
The reason why Samsung is investing in Tizen is purely from future perspective. Android doesn't give them total control of the ecosystem. Just have a look at present Android -- Google control Android. If I am brutally honest - the best parts of Android are not open. Google services, apps, maps, youtube, search are not open. You just can't have app store without taking all other google services along with that. Samsung doesn't like that as it limits their chances to create a serviceline of their own. Samsung would love to have have users do everything within their ecosystem. Like after getting a Samsung phone, they would want the users to buy the apps from their store (not Google Play), purchase music from them, rent videos from them etc., So how they plan to do it? They have now tie-ups with Amazon for books, tie-up with Yahoo for various web apps, Nokia Here as default map applications, 7digital, Slacker etc., Samsung also have to think what happens if google decides to keep Android for themselves? or start putting strict conditions to use their services?
Check this Tizen Whitepaper. Some very interesting statements --
It's not Apple or Microsoft that they are targeting, Google/Android is the target.
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WOW ...kinda speechless on that white paper. It makes sense... so many are putting all their eggs in one basket. That was the semi beauty of Android... you dont like Samsung, and you can leave that brand and as long as your on Android, all the apps and etc you paid for follow you.
Do you think the entire reason Android Wear exists is because it (Tizen) scares the fire out of Google? I mean look at what all Tizen is capable of running from the G1 to G2/N ...the exact same CPU, and hardware... I think this even has a smaller battery than the previous with nearly double battery life. The dots are starting to connect! ...Let the content owners keep the data...(Amazon for books, tie-up with Yahoo for various web apps, Nokia Here as default map applications, 7digital, Slacker etc.,) and not depend on 1 "play/app store" ...regardless of OS...
I almost want to believe Android is so heavy on the resources that this is why they are wanting to "keep it simple"?
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WOW ...kinda speechless on that white paper. It makes sense... so many are putting all their eggs in one basket. That was the semi beauty of Android... you dont like Samsung, and you can leave that brand and as long as your on Android, all the apps and etc you paid for follow you.
Do you think the entire reason Android Wear exists is because it (Tizen) scares the fire out of Google? I mean look at what all Tizen is capable of running from the G1 to G2/N ...the exact same CPU, and hardware... I think this even has a smaller battery than the previous with nearly double battery life. The dots are starting to connect! ...Let the content owners keep the data...(Amazon for books, tie-up with Yahoo for various web apps, Nokia Here as default map applications, 7digital, Slacker etc.,) and not depend on 1 "play/app store" ...regardless of OS...
I almost want to believe Android is so heavy on the resources that this is why they are wanting to "keep it simple"?
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It's an interesting topic, but I sometimes feel it could get boring for other folks. But following are my own views in this topic:
1] Google would want all vendors simply following their guidelines and simply fighting on the basis of price (similar to laptop vendors). Just look at computers - everything runs Windows and with very little chance of customization. Vendors like HP/Lenovo/Dell simply compete on price or or make more powerful hardware. But look at the profit margin in that industry. Only Microsoft makes money from PC business! That's a cold hard fact. Google wants to do same in mobile space what MS did to desktop computers. Difference is that MS sold software, google wants to engulf everyone in their web services.
2] Samsung doesn't want to be a generic mobile vendor, say like those Chinese companies. The moment Samsung become like everyone else, why would you pay premium for Samsung phones?? That's exactly how Apple is able to always demand premium price for their hardware. At all times, they sold decent hardware with unique software. Samsung knows if you can't be different/unique in this market, you would be left to play the price game. And very soon, the profit margin will decrease to bare minimum.
On Tizen, I think it's pretty good foundation that they have. If you check Tizen 3.0 UI, you will see that they have also adopted flat UI design (Sept 2013 information). We will know which way this is going by Q2. First Tizen phone is supposed to come out by that time.
This is Tizen 2.2. 3.0 is supposed to be come by Q3.
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I can connect with My Sony Z Ultra which is Android 4.3.
But, some functions are not working.
I used Gear Manager from this thread.
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Have you gotten 3rd party apps to work on your Gear 2? I mean do you have access on your device to Samsung Apps so you can download apps made for gear 2? I got Nexus 5 and all i can use are the default pre installed apps.
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Have you gotten 3rd party apps to work on your Gear 2? I mean do you have access on your device to Samsung Apps so you can download apps made for gear 2? I got Nexus 5 and all i can use are the default pre installed apps.
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No. Haven't got 3rd arty apps to work as I also don't have Samsung Apps on my Sony Z Ultra.
For me, some pre-installed apps are missing such as Call Log and Media Control. Do you have on your Gear 2?
Hi Guys,
i just bought the Gear 2 a couple of days ago.
its a nice device, good hardware but bad software.
2 days later i saw The Gear Live with Android Wear and Google Now! on Google I/O,
Somehow i feel ripped-Off by Samsung.
the S Voice is really bad Compared to Google Now!
If you feel the same. And want to see Android Wear Ported to the Gear 2 please leave a Vote And Reply.
How many thread have to be made and clutter this section . Read before you post it's a rule. You bought it 2 days ago then you can take it back . And buy the gear live . Simple . I mean it's only been a day since wear was announced. In 2 days you haven't had time to experience tizen your just following everyone else who complain about it. Tizen is a good OS . Not for everyone but is good. I myself wouldn't mind wear but in good time .
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How many thread have to be made and clutter this section . Read before you post it's a rule. You bought it 2 days ago then you can take it back . And buy the gear live . Simple . I mean it's only been a day since wear was announced. In 2 days you haven't had time to experience tizen your just following everyone else who complain about it. Tizen is a good OS . Not for everyone but is good. I myself wouldn't mind wear but in good time .
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in 2 days i know already the device architecture inside out... and i used it allready to make 32 phone calls, 60 messages. received lots of notifications on it.
and i already made an App for it that is on sale on the Samsung Apps Store. check it out if you want.
and Voided my warranty
2 day are enough time for a person that knows where to look :cyclops:
its good... but is it good Enough??
i just want to know what others think.. in this early stage
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in 2 days i know already the device architecture inside out... and i used it allready to make 32 phone calls, 60 messages. received lots of notifications on it.
and i already made an App for it that is on sale on the Samsung Apps Store. check it out if you want.
and Voided my warranty
2 day are enough time for a person that knows where to look :cyclops:
its good... but is it good Enough??
i just want to know what others think.. in this early stage
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That's a pretty ridiculous statement. How old are you? Android Wear was announced months ago and it has also been published in many media circles that Samsung was also on board starting perhaps 1 month ago to release their Android Wear variant.
First of all the Gear is a lot more nuanced for anyone to say that they've gotten the gist of understanding it's full potential in a mere 2 days. It's a new platform hence it's more than meets the eye . That's like me buying the Pebble knowing that it is extremely rudimentary in it's functionality and saying after 1 day that it's garbage. I'd still need at least a week to say that. That is why paid reviewers never release their final draft before spending sufficient time with any new device. (From what I've heard the Pebble is very buggy not well built. No Siri in sight. Yet the media raves about it gathering all the lemmings to spread the gospel.) Samsung has really dared to innovate well ahead of anybody else. They should be given a little credit & respect.
The Svoice is excellent for texting, reminders, calling my contacts, note taking with about a 95% accuracy rate. The media player is phenomenal and when it's combined with the free app Launcher from the gear store I can't imagine a better setup. Notifications are superb. Battery life is great. Camera is very useful when I need to take a visual note of a label or whatever. Customization of the navigation layout. Not to mention the developing platform of apps I use on a regular basis that are amazing when it comes to adding awesome functionality (Omelet app to share quick pics with my wife who owns a gear as well. Fleksy to type messages when it's too noisy)
To the statement of voiding your warranty in 2 days. Who does that? The Tizen SDK is there for any one to use. It's fairly simple and doesn't make you an expert on a platform because you've written a basic app. The list of things that you've given is an inherent part of any device like an Iphone or any smart device. I would argue that because you've done those things on those platforms doesn't make you an engineer.
So I ask you go back and watch the Google I/O event again and keep in mind that the Android Wear has ripped off many features from the Gear. Even the hardware requirements are mimicked from the Samsung Gear and Galaxy platform. I honestly sorta like it myself (the Wear Op system). However navigating that thing is gonna be a nightmare. There is room for improvement on it as well just like the Gear's Tizen and credit must be given when it's due. Kaygeee it takes these companies a long time to get these things right. Enjoy the times we're living in. Imagine how awful the 70's, 80's and 90's were when in came to tech. 300 Bucks is not a lot to spend in order to be on the cutting edge.
Like the previous commentor to your statement said, return your device back to wherever you bought it or sell it on Ebay/Craigslist. I for one am going to see how things develop with Android Wear, however I can proudly say that I've enjoyed everyday spent with my Samsung Gear. If I ultimately move on to the Android Wear devices after 3 months of Gear use. I like many other happy Gear owners have no regrets. What other capable powerhouse smart watches were released in bulk within the past year? Exactly!
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That's a pretty ridiculous statement. How old are you? Android Wear was announced months ago and it has also been published in many media circles that Samsung was also on board starting perhaps 1 month ago to release their Android Wear variant.
First of all the Gear is a lot more nuanced for anyone to say that they've gotten the gist of understanding it's full potential in a mere 2 days. It's a new platform hence it's more than meets the eye . That's like me buying the Pebble knowing that it is extremely rudimentary in it's functionality and saying after 1 day that it's garbage. I'd still need at least a week to say that. That is why paid reviewers never release their final draft before spending sufficient time with any new device. (From what I've heard the Pebble is very buggy not well built. No Siri in sight. Yet the media raves about it gathering all the lemmings to spread the gospel.) Samsung has really dared to innovate well ahead of anybody else. They should be given a little credit & respect.
The Svoice is excellent for texting, reminders, calling my contacts, note taking with about a 95% accuracy rate. The media player is phenomenal and when it's combined with the free app Launcher from the gear store I can't imagine a better setup. Notifications are superb. Battery life is great. Camera is very useful when I need to take a visual note of a label or whatever. Not to mention the developing platform of apps I use on a regular basis that are amazing when it comes to adding awesome functionality (Omelet app to share quick pics with my wife who owns a gear as well. Fleksy to type messages when it's too noisy)
To the statement of voiding your warranty in 2 days. Who does that? The Tizen SDK is there for any one to use. It's fairly simple and doesn't make you an expert on a platform because you've written a basic app. The list of things that you've given is an inherent part of any device like an Iphone or any smart device. I would argue that because you've done those things on those platforms doesn't make you an engineer.
So I ask you go back and watch the Google I/O event again and keep in mind that the Android Wear has ripped off many features from the Gear. I sorta like it myself. However navigating that thing is gonna be a nightmare. There is room for improvement on it as well just like the Gear's Tizen. It takes these companies a long time to get these things right. Enjoy the times we're living in. Imagine how awful the 70's, 80's and 90's were when in came to tech.
Like the previous com mentor to your statement said return your device back to wherever you bought it or sell it on Ebay/Craigslist. I for one am going to see how things develop with Android Wear, however I can proudly say that I've enjoyed everyday spent with my Samsung Gear.
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I have to agree with the above. Android wear looks like there is almost too much going on. Navigation looks cumbersome. I like being able to tell my device to turn off by pressing a button. I had the original gear and that side button drove me nuts. Having the home button on the front of gear 2 is nice. I can run my watch for 3 days easy taking calls emails texts playing games. Shorting pics of computer tags for work. Would I like to see wear come to gear 2. I'm on the fence. Would I try it ? Yes. Will I go out and get the new watch? No. I feel gear 2 is better built and worth the 300$ gear live isn't worth the 200$
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How old are you?
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Old Enough
hughedee74 said:
To the statement of voiding your warranty in 2 days. Who does that? The Tizen SDK is there for any one to use. It's fairly simple and doesn't make you an expert on a platform because you've written a basic app. doesn't make you an engineer.
So I ask you go back and watch the Google I/O event again and keep in mind that the Android Wear has ripped off many features from the Gear. I sorta like it myself. However navigating that thing is gonna be a nightmare. There is room for improvement on it as well just like the Gear's Tizen. It takes these companies a long time to get these things right. Enjoy the times we're living in. Imagine how awful the 70's, 80's and 90's were when in came to tech.
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I'm no expert... but from my point of view the Room for improvement on the Tizen S-voice is a lot.
compared to Google Now! which comes on a similar device released only couple of months after Gear 2 release
and why would i imagine the 70's, 80's and 90's when we live in 2014 my friend times change fast
like i said its good... but is it good enough with the young Tizen on it? how would it be with Android wear on it? is that going to bring out more functional potential.
I don't want to sell it. ill keep it around and wait for more improvement. or a chance to Port Android wear to it.
But in the moment i want to know how much people want to see The Android Wear on the Gear 2. i think I'm not the only one, thats why i made this Poll.
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Old Enough
I'm no expert... but from my point of view the Room for improvement on the Tizen S-voice is a lot.
compared to Google Now! which comes on a similar device released only couple of months after Gear 2 release
and why would i imagine the 70's, 80's and 90's when we live in 2014 my friend times change fast
like i said its good... but is it good enough with the young Tizen on it? how would it be with Android wear on it? is that going to bring out more functional potential.
I don't want to sell it. ill keep it around and wait for more improvement. or a chance to Port Android wear to it.
But in the moment i want to know how much people want to see The Android Wear on the Gear 2. i think I'm not the only one, thats why i made this Poll.
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Okay Junior. Now make sure you drink your warm milk, put on your whitety nightys and relax a little. I'm out but thanks for the redundant useless (I mean brilliant) poll. Attempted to spit some knowledge at you but your rebuttals indicate it'll be a lost cause. Who needs a healthy substantive debate when we've got Junior around these parts.
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Okay Junior. Now make sure you drink your warm milk, put on your whitety nightys and relax a little. I'm out but thanks for the reduntantly useless post. Attempted to spit some knowledge at you but your rebuttals indicate it'll be a lost cause.
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the milk and whithey nighties.. is for u old man.
its day time here.
so u relax and dont hate please im just a messenger. my poll is for my cause which is not lost yet.
if you like to spit.. spit some of your wise knowledge in direction of porting Android Wear to the Gear 2...:good:
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the milk and whithey nighties.. is for u old man.
its day time here.
so u relax and dont hate please im just a messenger. my poll is for my cause which is not lost yet.
if you like to spit.. spit some of your wise knowledge in direction of porting Android Wear to the Gear 2...:good:
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:laugh:Like you said Junior you're the expert. Sooner or later your rants and complaining will force Samsung to their knees. Certainly now they will port Wear over to the Gear2 right away cause you're Kaygeee. You've been ripped off. You bought a piece of tech and something else is on the horizon. You should have been privy to that info before hand. Your bullet points are sound. You've voided your device within 2 days. Overall you are rational in all of concerns. They'll certainly seek your mercy since you have the power of this poll. Yeah Junior. You can make it happen. We support you!
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:laugh:Like you said Junior you're the expert. Sooner or later your rants and complaining will force Samsung to their knees. Certainly now they will port Wear over to the Gear2 right away cause you're Kaygeee. You've been ripped off. You bought a piece of tech and something else is on the horizon. You should have been privy to that info before hand. Your bullet points are sound. You've voided your device within 2 days. Overall you are rational in all of concerns. They'll certainly seek your mercy since you have the power of this poll. Yeah Junior. You can make it happen. We support you!
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LOL i like your sense of humour your funny.
the vote count is increasing as we speak
Kaygeee Thats Meee sooner or later Samsung is on its Kneee :silly:
maybe we should make a song... and post it on youtube..
i'll record and you rap on my Gear 2. Oeps the video recording time is only 15 seconds bummer.
I sold my gear 2 and bought a gear live for the simple reason that I want a fully functional smart watch to work with Cyanogenmod and not have to rely on the TouchWiz framework, I did enjoy my time with the gear 2 though on Omega rom and if android wear did come out for the gear 2 then I would probably cancel my order but until it's done it's android wear from here on out so I have the flexibility to use it on any rom I choose.
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The main problem with it, and any other Android wear watchs is the 1 day use bit. Sure it's got an always on display but if they're advertising one day use, it probably means less.
Holding for for now until early reports from early adopters.
I like Google Now, but I never use it on my phone. The Gear 2 is giving me all the info I need with a 2.5-3 day battery.
I do also use the cam so gonna need support for that too.
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Also gonna need it to play music from device (For gym), and keep all the health integration.
I just wish I had hangouts on the tizen, and also the ability to use keyboard to reply for those odd rare occasions i need to (so far never but would be a nice to have).
Facebook app to view whats going on and eBay would also be nice.
As of now Tizen is better than Android Wear because of App availability AND UI. Also if your talking about Google now and S-Voice they BOTH need Internet connections to work. Which here in the Philippines is not available everywhere. So I don't really care about that.
I guess yes Samsung will port Android Wear to the Gear 2 but they'll still modify it so it will still work as it works right now.
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As of now Tizen is better than Android Wear because of App availability AND UI. Also if your talking about Google now and S-Voice they BOTH need Internet connections to work. Which here in the Philippines is not available everywhere. So I don't really care about that.
I guess yes Samsung will port Android Wear to the Gear 2 but they'll still modify it so it will still work as it works right now.
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Any kind of voice command is useless to me, it makes you look like a douche in public and if you're not in public just use your phone.
Tizen is growing on me, the music player is good / fine for gym, has cool health sensors and heart rate etc. It works for how i intend to use it.
If i get caught short while in the house away from phone i can still take call on device, dont think talking is on the Wear agenda.
Camera I also use often, very often. It's ideal for a quick snap.
The 3rd party apps are trash, and the forcing to use messaging instead of hangouts is whack, but as I don't intend to reply i just wish the notification showed the whole message.
The music player control is also way better on Tizen, everything on one screen, well thought out, little icons top right from clock face to go back. None of this silly swiping malarkay!
The fact you can send send directly from phone is also very cool!, the music player has plenty of features, favourites etc. it's actually very good. If this is a fitness device the Gear 2 shines.
+1 for android wear
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Closing this... Having a hard time comprehending value or worth of this thread....
Cut dry plain & simple.
Im offering anywhere between 300-$500 for someone to port android wear to the Gear S2 Classic and have it fully function.
Im tired of Tizen and if i gotta dish out some extra cash to get better functionality from my watch then i will. This is no joke. you can PM me, or just leave comments below. I need android wear and so does the community. :good:
Why you bought smartwatches with Tizen, if you want Android Wear? Sorry, I don't get it.
Obvious question: Why not buy a Android Wear watch with your money?
Less obvious question: Why do you have a payment range?
pRo_lama said:
Why you bought smartwatches with Tizen, if you want Android Wear? Sorry, I don't get it.
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i bought it because it was my first Samsung watch with tizen so i had no pre-experience with tizen and i wanted to give it a try. I like tizen, but there's limited functionality so i like android wear more, the watch has more than enough horse power to run android wear.
its like asking why do ppl buy touchwiz enabled phones just to use AOSP roms. people want what they want.
GodzillaMonster said:
Obvious question: Why not buy a Android Wear watch with your money?
Less obvious question: Why do you have a payment range?
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well 1. because i wanna keep my watch and have android wear on it. i love the s2's design over anyother watch and its more than capable spec wise to run android wear.
2. because i understand how hard devs work and i also understand the time and effort it takes to make something like this and to have it work 100%. its not easy for all of them. so i figure offering a nice wad of cash would peek someones interest and motivate them to do it. devs work hard and alot of times for free to give us amazing things. so for someone to do that for me and an entire community at that? id be willing to pay.
none24 said:
well 1. because i wanna keep my watch and have android wear on it. i love the s2's design over anyother watch and its more than capable spec wise to run android wear.
2. because i understand how hard devs work and i also understand the time and effort it takes to make something like this and to have it work 100%. its not easy for all of them. so i figure offering a nice wad of cash would peek someones interest and motivate them to do it. devs work hard and alot of times for free to give us amazing things. so for someone to do that for me and an entire community at that? id be willing to pay.
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Understood.
I also think the design is great - not sure what Android Wear function you'd want to have the navigation ring perform - is there a good equivalent in Android wear's UI?
I'm part of the community and don't really want Android wear on my S2 - so perhaps 'entire community' is an assumption or projection.
Your sentiment for remuneration is admirable - but I was curious about the range ($300-$500), not the cash itself. Under what criteria would you donate $300 as opposed to $500? The reason I ask is that you are effectively saying "Spend 500 hours on something for me and I'll pay you for between 4 and 6 hours of that time, depending on... ? ".
none24 said:
Cut dry plain & simple.
Im offering anywhere between 300-$500 for someone to port android wear to the Gear S2 Classic and have it fully function.
Im tired of Tizen and if i gotta dish out some extra cash to get better functionality from my watch then i will. This is no joke. you can PM me, or just leave comments below. I need android wear and so does the community. :good:
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I got 50 on it thinking about sending biktor my s2 when I get my s3 if he's willing I'll pm him
What im saying is id donate that much to have a fully functioning version not just at whatever i see appear. Of course i dont mean the whole community wants it but if you look in the android wear for gear s2 thread there's a lot of ppl there that really want it. and i think it sucks that ppl cant enjoy one or the other. and the navigation ring should have scrolling features. in android wear you can go left right up and down in the menus, and in tizen you can do the same in certain menus, so the ring should be able to scroll left and right or up and down in the menus the same way. im in no way saying Tizen sucks, but i also dont see anything wrong with wanting extra functionality when almost all of us root our phones and install custom roms. almost every other gear watch has android wear whether its official or a dev ported it, i just wanna see it for my watch and for the others who do want it, have them enjoy they're watch even more than they do. I personally can get more out of my watch with android wear, and i love it already i just want to love it more lol
I definitely understand the OP's statement. I love my Gear S2 for casual wear (back and forth to work) and I use my Huawei Watch to go out.
Tizen vs Android Wear is a huge difference. I love how large the Android Wear development community is compared to Tizen. I love the hardware on the Gear S2, mainly the built in ambient light sensor and rotating bezel.
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none24 said:
What im saying is id donate that much to have a fully functioning version not just at whatever i see appear. Of course i dont mean the whole community wants it but if you look in the android wear for gear s2 thread there's a lot of ppl there that really want it. and i think it sucks that ppl cant enjoy one or the other. and the navigation ring should have scrolling features. in android wear you can go left right up and down in the menus, and in tizen you can do the same in certain menus, so the ring should be able to scroll left and right or up and down in the menus the same way. im in no way saying Tizen sucks, but i also dont see anything wrong with wanting extra functionality when almost all of us root our phones and install custom roms. almost every other gear watch has android wear whether its official or a dev ported it, i just wanna see it for my watch and for the others who do want it, have them enjoy they're watch even more than they do. I personally can get more out of my watch with android wear, and i love it already i just want to love it more lol
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I understand the issue better now. Thanks.
Perhaps I am not a typical user - I use my watch to view notifications, set timers, track steps walked, check the weather and of course tell the time. This is a lot of functionality, it all works, and it pretty sufficient (for me) for a single device.
You say you 'need' Android Wear and will be able to get more out of your watch. What will the new OS specifically let you do? If it is install more apps, specifically which AW apps will you install?
GodzillaMonster said:
I understand the issue better now. Thanks.
Perhaps I am not a typical user - I use my watch to view notifications, set timers, track steps walked, check the weather and of course tell the time. This is a lot of functionality, it all works, and it pretty sufficient (for me) for a single device.
You say you 'need' Android Wear and will be able to get more out of your watch. What will the new OS specifically let you do? If it is install more apps, specifically which AW apps will you install?
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Install more apps and to answer the question of specifics, there are none in specific, people have apps in the android wear section that they personally love, where as tizen has a lack of. it also makes things like creating my own watch faces & installing them easier, and you can also make certain apps compatible with your watch that are not. and because my watch has 4G I can also install a web browser. thats just scratching some surfaces. side loading apps that devs make is another big thing. i buy android phones because i can customize them however i want to make my experience better and I feel like Tizen is too restricting and not too much supported with the lack of apps as well as not really being able to be modded. It works, but i would much rather have android on my watch where i could do more and make things easier and get more bang for my buck.
none24 said:
Install more apps and to answer the question of specifics, there are none in specific, people have apps in the android wear section that they personally love, where as tizen has a lack of. it also makes things like creating my own watch faces & installing them easier, and you can also make certain apps compatible with your watch that are not. and because my watch has 4G I can also install a web browser. thats just scratching some surfaces. side loading apps that devs make is another big thing. i buy android phones because i can customize them however i want to make my experience better and I feel like Tizen is too restricting and not too much supported with the lack of apps as well as not really being able to be modded. It works, but i would much rather have android on my watch where i could do more and make things easier and get more bang for my buck.
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Hmm.. I guess my understanding fails here.
It seems to be that you want the flexibility to do things that you can't really specify, but feel there is potential there and you would like to have that potential, regardless of how useful it is will be, and with no particular personal usage problem to solve.
Ah, first-world problems are fascinating
Best of luck with the search for purposeless flexibility!
Google Now! Google maps!
S voice is terrible
Lot of various reasons to want android wear
The S2 might be lacking in the app department, but I think Android Wear is just decent at best, and Google Cards are annoying as hell. A good portion of Wear apps don't work as flawless as people make it out to be. Grass is always greener.
What I would like is for Samsung to get serious and get Bank, Credit Card, Social Media, and other misc services to develop apps for Samsung Tizen watches, like Apple does.
Google now! To hell with the cards just want the voice capabilities. If this watch had that it would be perfect even without android wear
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LIVEFRMNYC said:
The S2 might be lacking in the app department, but I think Android Wear is just decent at best, and Google Cards are annoying as hell. A good portion of Wear apps don't work as flawless as people make it out to be. Grass is always greener.
What I would like is for Samsung to get serious and get Bank, Credit Card, Social Media, and other misc services to develop apps for Samsung Tizen watches, like Apple does.
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Do you OWN an Android wear watch? I own both the Gear S2 and Huawei Watch and the software on the Huawei Watch is way more intuitive and it has a ton more of 3rd party development.
FYI I wear my Gear S2 as my daily driver because I don't mind scratching/damaging it. It definitely works. My biggest gripe is lack of development and the placement of the back button vs the home button.
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OuncE718 said:
Do you OWN an Android wear watch? I own both the Gear S2 and Huawei Watch and the software on the Huawei Watch is way more intuitive and it has a ton more of 3rd party development.
FYI I wear my Gear S2 as my daily driver because I don't mind scratching/damaging it. It definitely works. My biggest gripe is lack of development and the placement of the back button vs the home button.
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Yes, I have owned the Gear Live and still have the 360(first smart watch I've owned). The last 2 years I've been wearing a Gear Neo 2 almost daily. And now the S2. Barely wore the Gear Live or 360. I just don't like the way Android Wear works for me. As much as I hate the "walled garden approach", I think it works great on a smartwatch.
So my question is basically will the future watch (or watches) from Samsung will be also using the Tizen system and will Samsung continue to support and the devices?
Or will it be like in other experiments where after a couple of versions the company moved to a different system and abandoned the old one.
I am asking this because i have been burned before with the HTC HD2 (LEO) that came with win6.5 and lost support after about a year (give or take) luck would have it that it could be outfitted with android and be used for a few more years but i don't think that this will be the case with watches.
So do you guys think that there is a future to Tizen and that the app store will continue to grow and improve and Samsung will continue to update the software? or will it switch for example to androidware next year and we might be stuck with a 400$ unsupported outdated watch that gets no new apps what so ever. (windows even closed down the app store for the win 6.5 at some point)..........
Hope to hear your thoughts o the matter before I go and buy one
It's tough to say... We're in a very weird spot. I would guess the Gear S3 is probably the best selling wearable, most desirable and IMO, most well rounded smartwatch. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like developers are knocking the door down to create apps. The scary part is, the S2 has been out for a while and it doesn't seem like much has been accomplished. Let's hope that these developers see the value in the S3 and we can get some basic apps added.
tnt2sniper said:
It's tough to say... We're in a very weird spot. I would guess the Gear S3 is probably the best selling wearable, most desirable and IMO, most well rounded smartwatch. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like developers are knocking the door down to create apps. The scary part is, the S2 has been out for a while and it doesn't seem like much has been accomplished. Let's hope that these developers see the value in the S3 and we can get some basic apps added.
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Tizen is an experiment - not much promotion by Samsung. The watch is a beautiful piece of hardware but as usual, Samsung is being devious - there is NOT 4 Gb of memory available but only 1.5 Gb - the rest is taken up by bloat - watchfaces that many won't use, S-Health that cannot be removed, etc.
Typical - they think they know what we want and never listen to customers - IMHO, these watches will (are?) not gaining market traction and are a solutoion looking for a problem to solve. Maybe some folks just want notifications, SMS, Email and not how many steps they walked today?
docfreed said:
Tizen is an experiment - not much promotion by Samsung. The watch is a beautiful piece of hardware but as usual, Samsung is being devious - there is NOT 4 Gb of memory available but only 1.5 Gb - the rest is taken up by bloat - watchfaces that many won't use, S-Health that cannot be removed, etc.
Typical - they think they know what we want and never listen to customers - IMHO, these watches will (are?) not gaining market traction and are a solutoion looking for a problem to solve. Maybe some folks just want notifications, SMS, Email and not how many steps they walked today?
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I've had my S3 for a few weeks now and love it but I have to admit that after having several Android watches, the support for apps is so much better. With the S3, you are pretty much stuck using all Samsung apps which sucks.
docfreed said:
Tizen is an experiment - not much promotion by Samsung. The watch is a beautiful piece of hardware but as usual, Samsung is being devious - there is NOT 4 Gb of memory available but only 1.5 Gb - the rest is taken up by bloat - watchfaces that many won't use, S-Health that cannot be removed, etc.
Typical - they think they know what we want and never listen to customers - IMHO, these watches will (are?) not gaining market traction and are a solutoion looking for a problem to solve. Maybe some folks just want notifications, SMS, Email and not how many steps they walked today?
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Unfortunately it is not just Samsung that does crap like that (forced apps etc). Even Pebble had watch faces that you couldn't remove if you wanted. Most every phone/tablet has bloat you can't remove. I don't understand this mentality and why they won't let the user make their own decisions, I guess they think we are all too dumb to know what we want. Maybe users aren't vocal enough and since no one complains they keep doing what they do thinking everyone likes it.
I have an issue with the S3 where when not connected to phone I get that distracting watch icon that ruins the look of watchfaces and can't be turned off. I guess Samsung never thought anyone would use the watch without being tethered to the phone constantly even though they allow it to be used standalone. I suppose they also never thought putting a big white icon over the 12:00 position on all faces would bother anyone, go figure.
As far as Tizen who knows I guess it depends on how easy it is to port to it from android and how popular it gets. Apple watch OS is only Apple and they succeeded being a separate OS.
I have been wondering the same. Whats the future of this platform? The gear s2 has been out for a while, and still pretty much the same. I mean not even google has any apps for tizen. What if this is a dying platform? What if once android wear gets next big release, samsung decides, oh we are done with tizen?
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InfiniteDrag said:
I have been wondering the same. Whats the future of this platform? The gear s2 has been out for a while, and still pretty much the same. I mean not even google has any apps for tizen. What if this is a dying platform? What if once android wear gets next big release, samsung decides, oh we are done with tizen?
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Welcome to Blackberry OS10 and Windows Mobile!
That is exactly my point...
I mean the watch looks beautiful and I think it's one of the best looking smart watches out there, and I also love the bezel use.
I had experience with Windows Mobile and Windows 8 rt and this is why I am not buying the watch yet.
I don't buy and don't intend to buy a new watch every year, I replace watches only when needed or every several years and I am kinda of scared on spending almost 400€ ( I live in germany) on a watch that will become irrelevant and not useful in a year or less.
Just like the HTC hd2 was replaced by an android version after less then a year ....
A big problem I see is our community is very scattered. Basically, I migrate between xda and android central. I've had android wear and after having this watch, I really don't want to go back, but unfortunately will have to of the app selection doesn't grow. I use this watch as a standalone sometimes and I need certain apps.
Man i dunno. I guess we probably have to just wait and see. If samsung sees money in this thing, they might invest enough. And who knows. Wish we had a way to attract developers for tizen.
Thank you all for the answers
I guess that at least for now i will remain on the fence.....
I cant afford and nor do I want to spend almost 400Euro's on a watch that I will need to replace in a year because of lack of support and lack of development......
Samsung tells us that we have 4 Gb of memory but we really only have about 1.5 Gb (at least on my S3 Frontier). Here's an interesting read on a similar issue, i.e., advertising vs. reality:
https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/20/samsung-cant-use-in-box-warranty-to-kill-galaxy-s4-lawsuit/
True and so do all others. Technically there is 4gb but most of it is occupied by OS and bloat. It's the same with all Android, iOS devices... the bigger the storage the less you perceive this fact.
Does not bother me too much because I am aware of it and personally I do not really have the need to store anything on my watch... I'd rather prefer them to make progress in the software area and iOS integration.
binaryanomaly said:
True and so do all others. Technically there is 4gb but most of it is occupied by OS and bloat. It's the same with all Android, iOS devices... the bigger the storage the less you perceive this fact.
Does not bother me too much because I am aware of it and personally I do not really have the need to store anything on my watch... I'd rather prefer them to make progress in the software area and iOS integration.
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Could not agree more. Don't really care much about the storage on the watch. What I do want is all the promised functions to work properly, especially on non-samsung phones (iPhone).
Don't understand why they would shut us out from the paid-apps...
Why is it all of a sudden people care about this? They have been doing it in PCs forever so what is the problem? If anyone should be getting in trouble it is the SD card makers that advertise 16gb but in reality are considering 1000mb to be a GB.
Manijak84 said:
Don't understand why they would shut us out from the paid-apps...
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I already complained at Samsung support regarding this (maybe others should do as well). The lady said something about Apple approval needed. But then they should offer other options.
Of Course We're Aware But...
It only bothers me because Samsung rarely listens to their end-users and if I'm paying $400 for something I want what's advertised and not a bunch of useless watch faces, etc. If I wanted to be a sheep I'd buy an IPhone or a Volkswagen
binaryanomaly said:
True and so do all others. Technically there is 4gb but most of it is occupied by OS and bloat. It's the same with all Android, iOS devices... the bigger the storage the less you perceive this fact.
Does not bother me too much because I am aware of it and personally I do not really have the need to store anything on my watch... I'd rather prefer them to make progress in the software area and iOS integration.
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binaryanomaly said:
I already complained at Samsung support regarding this (maybe others should do as well). The lady said something about Apple approval needed. But then they should offer other options.
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The lack of access is probably the result of Apple's walled garden policy. But the solution is simple, Google figured it out, and Samsung should have been able to do so also. The upcoming Android Wear LG Sport will be compatible with iOS, because the watch will have its own dedicated app store accessible directly from the watch. Since it bypasses the phone, it wrestles a bit of control from Apple, so that the watch can exert greater control over the user experience.
Needing to connect to a phone in order to download apps for the watch, reminds me of the early days of iOS. Back in the day, we had to connect the iPhone to our computer...
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The lack of access is probably the result of Apple's walled garden policy. But the solution is simple, Google figured it out, and Samsung should have been able to do so also. The upcoming Android Wear LG Sport will be compatible with iOS, because the watch will have its own dedicated app store accessible directly from the watch. Since it bypasses the phone, it wrestles a bit of control from Apple, so that the watch can exert greater control over the user experience.
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I agree regarding Apple but then this was known. A web App Store like Android play is just an obvious choice. I'm not too convinced that the experience of an App Store on the watch would be that great.