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Gear 2 to run Tizen !?!?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/02/18/samsung-gear-smartwatch-tizen-android/5583023/
Hmm, is this a good thing or a bad thing? I know with Android we can root and flash custom ROM's, will we have the same capability with Tizen? Is there a robust dev community that will develop ROM's and apps for Tizen, especially for something specialized like a smartwatch?
I'm definitely bummed if this is true and Samsung decides to go this way. I was patiently waiting for the Gear 2 with my wallet open, but this may change my mind if I can't tinker with it.

My stock touchwiz rom didn't run anything google related other than android. No google services. How is that a valid argument?
I don't think I'll mind if they do go down their own path, as long as all the features we want are there
Makes sense on one hand, but still hard to see them moving away from the already established android ecosystem

gear 2 is doomed. when is the last time anything not android succeeded?
so disappointing...I really had high hopes for the gear 2.
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gtxaspec said:
gear 2 is doomed. when is the last time anything not android succeeded?
so disappointing...I really had high hopes for the gear 2.
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The Gear 1 is doomed if this is true actually......

Joe0113 said:
The Gear 1 is doomed if this is true actually......
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Indeed. :crying:

https://www.tizen.org/

I know nothing about Tizen, in fact, just googled it to see what it was. Sounds like a Samsung mobile Linux based OS?? I'm not sure I like the sounds of going away from android either if that is what the Gear 2 is gonna run.

A full HTML5 OS ! YOU SAY THIS IS A BAD THING !?
That is going to be EPIC !!
This is similar to what ubuntu are trying to do with there phones..
I just HOPE Samsung dont ridicule it with road blocks and encryption and allow us as users to tinker with the OS !
HTML5 OS = Javascript coding = Very easy to program !
I come from a web development background, so this is right in my ball park..
If you think you've seen cool stuff with null_ on the gear 1, wait till I get my hands on the gear 2.
Interesting indeed !

Thanks for that info fomey - interesting, and hopeful.

fOmey said:
A full HTML5 OS ! YOU SAY THIS IS A BAD THING !?
That is going to be EPIC !!
This is similar to what ubuntu are trying to do with there phones..
I just HOPE Samsung dont ridicule it with road blocks and encryption and allow us as users to tinker with the OS !
HTML5 OS = Javascript coding = Very easy to program !
I come from a web development background, so this is right in my ball park..
If you think you've seen cool stuff with null_ on the gear 1, wait till I get my hands on the gear 2.
Interesting indeed !
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I think of most web programs as boring, simple and not worth my time.
Thinking of anything on Facebook.
It is my understanding if you want any deep and complex programs you need access to the hardware layer.
Could be wrong heard for years how great HTML5 will be, maybe its time is now.
Besides I own many Android Apps this kind of commits me to Android.
Guess we all see next week, FYI I believe if Samsung really wants to sell Smartwatches the OS the watch is running is not as important as selling a device that will work fully on as many smartphones as possible. Compatible with only Samsung devices originally only the Note 3 are they crazy?
My bet is these rumours are just that rumours.

That article did not leave me with a happy feeling at all. Html5 does sound very nice for coding but the rest of it doesn't sit well.
There are already devices running android with no Google services ( kindle fire ). What do we do? Stuff Google on there anyway, because we like what they offer.
Samsung appears to want to keep there stuff even further from Google by switching OS. My gut feeling is that, if they want Google out of it so badly, they are going to try VERY hard to keep these watches locked down.
Secondly, all our android apps are not going to be available, so we'll be dependent on Samsung for everything, at least initially. Well, maybe we can hope that's where the html5 will be very attractive.

My guess is that if tizen really happens, one will still be able to flash android.
I'm somewhat excited to see it, as I've had conversations with the main ui developer in the past (rasterman of enlightenment). Very curious and guardedly hopeful.

AstroDigital said:
I think of most web programs as boring, simple and not worth my time.
Thinking of anything on Facebook.
It is my understanding if you want any deep and complex programs you need access to the hardware layer.
Could be wrong heard for years how great HTML5 will be, maybe its time is now.
Besides I own many Android Apps this kind of commits me to Android.
Guess we all see next week, FYI I believe if Samsung really wants to sell Smartwatches the OS the watch is running is not as important as selling a device that will work fully on as many smartphones as possible. Compatible with only Samsung devices originally only the Note 3 are they crazy?
My bet is these rumours are just that rumours.
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I believe you would have access to the hardware layer with tizen apps... Otherwise that would just be weird and really restrictive on what you could code.
We shall see !
Working with simple javascript coding would be soooooooo nice, at the moment SMALI IS THE DEVIL I TELL YOU.
It would be a themers dream.

I wonder if this is why we haven't been seeing any new apps for the gear?
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Thanks for the news i think it will be awesome running apps on html 5 that would be the coolest thing for development, please sammy share the complete source :good:

The plot thickens: http://www.techradar.com/us/news/po...e-in-multiple-flavors-including-tizen-1226006
Maybe we will see multiple versions, I hope one of them keeps Android. Next week will be very interesting.

Tizen is samsungs way into the market. Im sure it will be locked down tighter than knox and are bootloader though. But it has more potential for sure.

My question would be the compatibility with Android devices (such as the S5, which I will be getting)... and also apps for it would be VERY limited at the beginning. Right...? lol (Not a Dev so I wouldn't really know)

A bit of an aside: I get the feeling Tizen will stick around and slowly grow, but not at the expense of their large android base.. It can work for the gear, as it's an accessory device, but their smartphone market will be a different story..
China is a great example of a market where Google doesn't have a huge hold on... Tizen might work there, as there may not be a dependence on Google... A Tizen device partnered with one of their top search engines Baidu or Sohu might work... they could develop the platform, perfect it with a potential user base of millions; emerging markets might work well too, as Samsung could make low cost devices, and then generate some revenue from their own app store for paid apps..
Based on my observations of increasing integration of the Samsung app store on their android devices, I always wondered if all of that was in the works for if they strayed away from using Google's licensed model... Tizen seems to further that suspicion..

Joe0113 said:
My question would be the compatibility with Android devices (such as the S5, which I will be getting)... and also apps for it would be VERY limited at the beginning. Right...? lol (Not a Dev so I wouldn't really know)
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This is my question as well? One with think that with Samsung have pretty much ALL android devices, that they would want this to be cross compatible. Whether that's possible I have no idea, it's not like Tizen is just an overlay of android like Touchwiz, guess we'll see?

Getting Gear 2 to work on non Samsung phones

Now that the whole gear series has gone all Tizen on us.. what is the chance that they will work with non Samsung phones?
Is it going to be like now where you just get the Gear Manager apk working on the other phones and you are good to go? or is it going to be more complicated?
Anyone know anything about this Tizen crap at all?

Shouldn't matter. The thing holding back compatibility is that touchwiz is required on phone

so it should work on non samsung phones just like gear 1?

It already works, only a few thing are missing.
Check gear2neo qa subforum for the working gear manager apk !

It works with my nexus but I dont see the camera app on my Gear 2 Neo and I cant install any 3rd party apps on my watch like evernote and zite.
A little useless...

If you don't have a Samsung phone, why not wait on the Moto 360?

EVOme said:
If you don't have a Samsung phone, why not wait on the Moto 360?
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My sister got an s5 and got it for only $50. She just gave it to me for free.

EVOme said:
If you don't have a Samsung phone, why not wait on the Moto 360?
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Moto360 is one of those things that will one day come but no one can say battery will be good. No speaker phone on the Moto360 either.

idle0095 said:
Moto360 is one of those things that will one day come but no one can say battery will be good. No speaker phone on the Moto360 either.
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By the time that notification-only watch comes out, the Gear 3 Solo will land. It's rumored to have its own cellular/data radios.

BlackZenith said:
By the time that notification-only watch comes out, the Gear 3 Solo will land. It's rumored to have its own cellular/data radios.
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Samsung announced an "Android Wear" version of the gear coming this year as well... now I am second guessing this gear 2! =/ ...just after I took the Gear 1 back and waited for this! ...craaazy lol

GermanBrot said:
Samsung announced an "Android Wear" version of the gear coming this year as well... now I am second guessing this gear 2! =/ ...just after I took the Gear 1 back and waited for this! ...craaazy lol
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Based on this video, I wouldn't wait on that if you're wanting a "full feature" smart watch. Besides, I think the resale value of the Gear 2 should be decent when they release another successor. So you could sell the Gear 2 just like you did the Galaxy Gear...

BlackZenith said:
Based on this video, I wouldn't wait on that if you're wanting a "full feature" smart watch. Besides, I think the resale value of the Gear 2 should be decent when they release another successor. So you could sell the Gear 2 just like you did the Galaxy Gear...
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You sound a lot like myself and enjoy all those features that others call "gimmicks". A watch with all the features is exactly why I stuck with the Gear. I wouldn't put it past them to include a front facing camera (even for just the Smart Stay feature alone). But then again, sometimes you have to just stick with something and enjoy what you have. A watch with an IR blaster, Camera, and handling phone calls is a great start for my first... um.. watch? lol... thanks for the advice! =D
p.s. The video just lost some of my interest for Android Wear... thanks for posting that! Im glad Samsung took it to the next level already.

GermanBrot said:
Samsung announced an "Android Wear" version of the gear coming this year as well... now I am second guessing this gear 2! =/ ...just after I took the Gear 1 back and waited for this! ...craaazy lol
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Don't ask me why, but I believe that watch won't be a flagship product as Gear.
It would be like a WP-like device for Samsung. Samsung also makes WP devices, but they hardly give much attention to that compared to Galaxy devices. Why do you think that Samsung wants Android Wear devices to succeed? They have invested in Tizen, and they want to people to buy into that instead of Android Wear devices. This also gives them a big incentive to control the whole ecosystem with Tizen-based devices.

CLARiiON said:
Don't ask me why, but I believe that watch won't be a flagship product as Gear.
It would be like a WP-like device for Samsung. Samsung also makes WP devices, but they hardly give much attention to that compared to Galaxy devices. Why do you think that Samsung wants Android Wear devices to succeed? They have invested in Tizen, and they want to people to buy into that instead of Android Wear devices. This also gives them a big incentive to control the whole ecosystem with Tizen-based devices.
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Thats a good point, but on the other hand, the tables are turned in this case. WP has like what, 4% market share, while Android has around 54% or so? It makes sense not to put too much love into WP. In this case, its the opposite where Tizen is .001% (thats a random guess...lol) and Android is way in the lead.
Luckily they talk to each other nicely, and I am assuming Tizen relies mostly on HTML5 and CSS to run apps so its more widely compatible (correct me there if I am wrong). I just know as much time, money and development they have put into Tizen, I could guess (and this is a guess) that they have already spent at least double in android development. I cant see them dismissing this on the same level as WP.
You did make a good point though, we can all tell they really REALLY want Tizen to succeed. lol

GermanBrot said:
Thats a good point, but on the other hand, the tables are turned in this case. WP has like what, 4% market share, while Android has around 54% or so? It makes sense not to put too much love into WP. In this case, its the opposite where Tizen is .001% (thats a random guess...lol) and Android is way in the lead.
Luckily they talk to each other nicely, and I am assuming Tizen relies mostly on HTML5 and CSS to run apps so its more widely compatible (correct me there if I am wrong). I just know as much time, money and development they have put into Tizen, I could guess (and this is a guess) that they have already spent at least double in android development. I cant see them dismissing this on the same level as WP.
You did make a good point though, we can all tell they really REALLY want Tizen to succeed. lol
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NOTE: This discussion might be OT, but I feel it's important.
You bring up very valid points, I appreciate that. It's good to have such discussions. BTW, Android has around 81% market share (worldwide) according to last IDC numbers.
Yes, Tizen relies of HTML5 and CSS. You have the option to make web apps and also native apps. Gear will (atleast initially) use Web runtime.
The reason why Samsung is investing in Tizen is purely from future perspective. Android doesn't give them total control of the ecosystem. Just have a look at present Android -- Google control Android. If I am brutally honest - the best parts of Android are not open. Google services, apps, maps, youtube, search are not open. You just can't have app store without taking all other google services along with that. Samsung doesn't like that as it limits their chances to create a serviceline of their own. Samsung would love to have have users do everything within their ecosystem. Like after getting a Samsung phone, they would want the users to buy the apps from their store (not Google Play), purchase music from them, rent videos from them etc., So how they plan to do it? They have now tie-ups with Amazon for books, tie-up with Yahoo for various web apps, Nokia Here as default map applications, 7digital, Slacker etc., Samsung also have to think what happens if google decides to keep Android for themselves? or start putting strict conditions to use their services?
Check this Tizen Whitepaper. Some very interesting statements --
Tizen’s open governance – which is designed to prevent any single entity from controlling the platform – will help it avoid the pitfalls of previous broad-based industry initiatives, which ultimately suffered from perceived vendor control.
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Tizen is designed to fill an important gap in today’s smartphone landscape: namely the perceived need for an open platform free from control by a single entity.
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It's not Apple or Microsoft that they are targeting, Google/Android is the target.

Works with Sony Xperia Z Ultra
I can connect with My Sony Z Ultra which is Android 4.3.
But, some functions are not working.
I used Gear Manager from this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2677686

CLARiiON said:
NOTE: This discussion might be OT, but I feel it's important.
You bring up very valid points, I appreciate that. It's good to have such discussions. BTW, Android has around 81% market share (worldwide) according to last IDC numbers.
Yes, Tizen relies of HTML5 and CSS. You have the option to make web apps and also native apps. Gear will (atleast initially) use Web runtime.
The reason why Samsung is investing in Tizen is purely from future perspective. Android doesn't give them total control of the ecosystem. Just have a look at present Android -- Google control Android. If I am brutally honest - the best parts of Android are not open. Google services, apps, maps, youtube, search are not open. You just can't have app store without taking all other google services along with that. Samsung doesn't like that as it limits their chances to create a serviceline of their own. Samsung would love to have have users do everything within their ecosystem. Like after getting a Samsung phone, they would want the users to buy the apps from their store (not Google Play), purchase music from them, rent videos from them etc., So how they plan to do it? They have now tie-ups with Amazon for books, tie-up with Yahoo for various web apps, Nokia Here as default map applications, 7digital, Slacker etc., Samsung also have to think what happens if google decides to keep Android for themselves? or start putting strict conditions to use their services?
Check this Tizen Whitepaper. Some very interesting statements --
It's not Apple or Microsoft that they are targeting, Google/Android is the target.
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WOW ...kinda speechless on that white paper. It makes sense... so many are putting all their eggs in one basket. That was the semi beauty of Android... you dont like Samsung, and you can leave that brand and as long as your on Android, all the apps and etc you paid for follow you.
Do you think the entire reason Android Wear exists is because it (Tizen) scares the fire out of Google? I mean look at what all Tizen is capable of running from the G1 to G2/N ...the exact same CPU, and hardware... I think this even has a smaller battery than the previous with nearly double battery life. The dots are starting to connect! ...Let the content owners keep the data...(Amazon for books, tie-up with Yahoo for various web apps, Nokia Here as default map applications, 7digital, Slacker etc.,) and not depend on 1 "play/app store" ...regardless of OS...
I almost want to believe Android is so heavy on the resources that this is why they are wanting to "keep it simple"?

GermanBrot said:
WOW ...kinda speechless on that white paper. It makes sense... so many are putting all their eggs in one basket. That was the semi beauty of Android... you dont like Samsung, and you can leave that brand and as long as your on Android, all the apps and etc you paid for follow you.
Do you think the entire reason Android Wear exists is because it (Tizen) scares the fire out of Google? I mean look at what all Tizen is capable of running from the G1 to G2/N ...the exact same CPU, and hardware... I think this even has a smaller battery than the previous with nearly double battery life. The dots are starting to connect! ...Let the content owners keep the data...(Amazon for books, tie-up with Yahoo for various web apps, Nokia Here as default map applications, 7digital, Slacker etc.,) and not depend on 1 "play/app store" ...regardless of OS...
I almost want to believe Android is so heavy on the resources that this is why they are wanting to "keep it simple"?
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It's an interesting topic, but I sometimes feel it could get boring for other folks. But following are my own views in this topic:
1] Google would want all vendors simply following their guidelines and simply fighting on the basis of price (similar to laptop vendors). Just look at computers - everything runs Windows and with very little chance of customization. Vendors like HP/Lenovo/Dell simply compete on price or or make more powerful hardware. But look at the profit margin in that industry. Only Microsoft makes money from PC business! That's a cold hard fact. Google wants to do same in mobile space what MS did to desktop computers. Difference is that MS sold software, google wants to engulf everyone in their web services.
2] Samsung doesn't want to be a generic mobile vendor, say like those Chinese companies. The moment Samsung become like everyone else, why would you pay premium for Samsung phones?? That's exactly how Apple is able to always demand premium price for their hardware. At all times, they sold decent hardware with unique software. Samsung knows if you can't be different/unique in this market, you would be left to play the price game. And very soon, the profit margin will decrease to bare minimum.
On Tizen, I think it's pretty good foundation that they have. If you check Tizen 3.0 UI, you will see that they have also adopted flat UI design (Sept 2013 information). We will know which way this is going by Q2. First Tizen phone is supposed to come out by that time.
This is Tizen 2.2. 3.0 is supposed to be come by Q3.

Johnnynho said:
I can connect with My Sony Z Ultra which is Android 4.3.
But, some functions are not working.
I used Gear Manager from this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2677686
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Have you gotten 3rd party apps to work on your Gear 2? I mean do you have access on your device to Samsung Apps so you can download apps made for gear 2? I got Nexus 5 and all i can use are the default pre installed apps.

hawksking said:
Have you gotten 3rd party apps to work on your Gear 2? I mean do you have access on your device to Samsung Apps so you can download apps made for gear 2? I got Nexus 5 and all i can use are the default pre installed apps.
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No. Haven't got 3rd arty apps to work as I also don't have Samsung Apps on my Sony Z Ultra.
For me, some pre-installed apps are missing such as Call Log and Media Control. Do you have on your Gear 2?

!! Votes for Android Wear on the Gear 2!!

Hi Guys,
i just bought the Gear 2 a couple of days ago.
its a nice device, good hardware but bad software.
2 days later i saw The Gear Live with Android Wear and Google Now! on Google I/O,
Somehow i feel ripped-Off by Samsung.
the S Voice is really bad Compared to Google Now!
If you feel the same. And want to see Android Wear Ported to the Gear 2 please leave a Vote And Reply.

How many thread have to be made and clutter this section . Read before you post it's a rule. You bought it 2 days ago then you can take it back . And buy the gear live . Simple . I mean it's only been a day since wear was announced. In 2 days you haven't had time to experience tizen your just following everyone else who complain about it. Tizen is a good OS . Not for everyone but is good. I myself wouldn't mind wear but in good time .
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diamantericos said:
How many thread have to be made and clutter this section . Read before you post it's a rule. You bought it 2 days ago then you can take it back . And buy the gear live . Simple . I mean it's only been a day since wear was announced. In 2 days you haven't had time to experience tizen your just following everyone else who complain about it. Tizen is a good OS . Not for everyone but is good. I myself wouldn't mind wear but in good time .
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in 2 days i know already the device architecture inside out... and i used it allready to make 32 phone calls, 60 messages. received lots of notifications on it.
and i already made an App for it that is on sale on the Samsung Apps Store. check it out if you want.
and Voided my warranty
2 day are enough time for a person that knows where to look :cyclops:
its good... but is it good Enough??
i just want to know what others think.. in this early stage

Kaygeee said:
in 2 days i know already the device architecture inside out... and i used it allready to make 32 phone calls, 60 messages. received lots of notifications on it.
and i already made an App for it that is on sale on the Samsung Apps Store. check it out if you want.
and Voided my warranty
2 day are enough time for a person that knows where to look :cyclops:
its good... but is it good Enough??
i just want to know what others think.. in this early stage
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That's a pretty ridiculous statement. How old are you? Android Wear was announced months ago and it has also been published in many media circles that Samsung was also on board starting perhaps 1 month ago to release their Android Wear variant.
First of all the Gear is a lot more nuanced for anyone to say that they've gotten the gist of understanding it's full potential in a mere 2 days. It's a new platform hence it's more than meets the eye . That's like me buying the Pebble knowing that it is extremely rudimentary in it's functionality and saying after 1 day that it's garbage. I'd still need at least a week to say that. That is why paid reviewers never release their final draft before spending sufficient time with any new device. (From what I've heard the Pebble is very buggy not well built. No Siri in sight. Yet the media raves about it gathering all the lemmings to spread the gospel.) Samsung has really dared to innovate well ahead of anybody else. They should be given a little credit & respect.
The Svoice is excellent for texting, reminders, calling my contacts, note taking with about a 95% accuracy rate. The media player is phenomenal and when it's combined with the free app Launcher from the gear store I can't imagine a better setup. Notifications are superb. Battery life is great. Camera is very useful when I need to take a visual note of a label or whatever. Customization of the navigation layout. Not to mention the developing platform of apps I use on a regular basis that are amazing when it comes to adding awesome functionality (Omelet app to share quick pics with my wife who owns a gear as well. Fleksy to type messages when it's too noisy)
To the statement of voiding your warranty in 2 days. Who does that? The Tizen SDK is there for any one to use. It's fairly simple and doesn't make you an expert on a platform because you've written a basic app. The list of things that you've given is an inherent part of any device like an Iphone or any smart device. I would argue that because you've done those things on those platforms doesn't make you an engineer.
So I ask you go back and watch the Google I/O event again and keep in mind that the Android Wear has ripped off many features from the Gear. Even the hardware requirements are mimicked from the Samsung Gear and Galaxy platform. I honestly sorta like it myself (the Wear Op system). However navigating that thing is gonna be a nightmare. There is room for improvement on it as well just like the Gear's Tizen and credit must be given when it's due. Kaygeee it takes these companies a long time to get these things right. Enjoy the times we're living in. Imagine how awful the 70's, 80's and 90's were when in came to tech. 300 Bucks is not a lot to spend in order to be on the cutting edge.
Like the previous commentor to your statement said, return your device back to wherever you bought it or sell it on Ebay/Craigslist. I for one am going to see how things develop with Android Wear, however I can proudly say that I've enjoyed everyday spent with my Samsung Gear. If I ultimately move on to the Android Wear devices after 3 months of Gear use. I like many other happy Gear owners have no regrets. What other capable powerhouse smart watches were released in bulk within the past year? Exactly!

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That's a pretty ridiculous statement. How old are you? Android Wear was announced months ago and it has also been published in many media circles that Samsung was also on board starting perhaps 1 month ago to release their Android Wear variant.
First of all the Gear is a lot more nuanced for anyone to say that they've gotten the gist of understanding it's full potential in a mere 2 days. It's a new platform hence it's more than meets the eye . That's like me buying the Pebble knowing that it is extremely rudimentary in it's functionality and saying after 1 day that it's garbage. I'd still need at least a week to say that. That is why paid reviewers never release their final draft before spending sufficient time with any new device. (From what I've heard the Pebble is very buggy not well built. No Siri in sight. Yet the media raves about it gathering all the lemmings to spread the gospel.) Samsung has really dared to innovate well ahead of anybody else. They should be given a little credit & respect.
The Svoice is excellent for texting, reminders, calling my contacts, note taking with about a 95% accuracy rate. The media player is phenomenal and when it's combined with the free app Launcher from the gear store I can't imagine a better setup. Notifications are superb. Battery life is great. Camera is very useful when I need to take a visual note of a label or whatever. Not to mention the developing platform of apps I use on a regular basis that are amazing when it comes to adding awesome functionality (Omelet app to share quick pics with my wife who owns a gear as well. Fleksy to type messages when it's too noisy)
To the statement of voiding your warranty in 2 days. Who does that? The Tizen SDK is there for any one to use. It's fairly simple and doesn't make you an expert on a platform because you've written a basic app. The list of things that you've given is an inherent part of any device like an Iphone or any smart device. I would argue that because you've done those things on those platforms doesn't make you an engineer.
So I ask you go back and watch the Google I/O event again and keep in mind that the Android Wear has ripped off many features from the Gear. I sorta like it myself. However navigating that thing is gonna be a nightmare. There is room for improvement on it as well just like the Gear's Tizen. It takes these companies a long time to get these things right. Enjoy the times we're living in. Imagine how awful the 70's, 80's and 90's were when in came to tech.
Like the previous com mentor to your statement said return your device back to wherever you bought it or sell it on Ebay/Craigslist. I for one am going to see how things develop with Android Wear, however I can proudly say that I've enjoyed everyday spent with my Samsung Gear.
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I have to agree with the above. Android wear looks like there is almost too much going on. Navigation looks cumbersome. I like being able to tell my device to turn off by pressing a button. I had the original gear and that side button drove me nuts. Having the home button on the front of gear 2 is nice. I can run my watch for 3 days easy taking calls emails texts playing games. Shorting pics of computer tags for work. Would I like to see wear come to gear 2. I'm on the fence. Would I try it ? Yes. Will I go out and get the new watch? No. I feel gear 2 is better built and worth the 300$ gear live isn't worth the 200$

hughedee74 said:
How old are you?
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Old Enough
hughedee74 said:
To the statement of voiding your warranty in 2 days. Who does that? The Tizen SDK is there for any one to use. It's fairly simple and doesn't make you an expert on a platform because you've written a basic app. doesn't make you an engineer.
So I ask you go back and watch the Google I/O event again and keep in mind that the Android Wear has ripped off many features from the Gear. I sorta like it myself. However navigating that thing is gonna be a nightmare. There is room for improvement on it as well just like the Gear's Tizen. It takes these companies a long time to get these things right. Enjoy the times we're living in. Imagine how awful the 70's, 80's and 90's were when in came to tech.
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I'm no expert... but from my point of view the Room for improvement on the Tizen S-voice is a lot.
compared to Google Now! which comes on a similar device released only couple of months after Gear 2 release
and why would i imagine the 70's, 80's and 90's when we live in 2014 my friend times change fast
like i said its good... but is it good enough with the young Tizen on it? how would it be with Android wear on it? is that going to bring out more functional potential.
I don't want to sell it. ill keep it around and wait for more improvement. or a chance to Port Android wear to it.
But in the moment i want to know how much people want to see The Android Wear on the Gear 2. i think I'm not the only one, thats why i made this Poll.

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Old Enough
I'm no expert... but from my point of view the Room for improvement on the Tizen S-voice is a lot.
compared to Google Now! which comes on a similar device released only couple of months after Gear 2 release
and why would i imagine the 70's, 80's and 90's when we live in 2014 my friend times change fast
like i said its good... but is it good enough with the young Tizen on it? how would it be with Android wear on it? is that going to bring out more functional potential.
I don't want to sell it. ill keep it around and wait for more improvement. or a chance to Port Android wear to it.
But in the moment i want to know how much people want to see The Android Wear on the Gear 2. i think I'm not the only one, thats why i made this Poll.
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Okay Junior. Now make sure you drink your warm milk, put on your whitety nightys and relax a little. I'm out but thanks for the redundant useless (I mean brilliant) poll. Attempted to spit some knowledge at you but your rebuttals indicate it'll be a lost cause. Who needs a healthy substantive debate when we've got Junior around these parts.
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Okay Junior. Now make sure you drink your warm milk, put on your whitety nightys and relax a little. I'm out but thanks for the reduntantly useless post. Attempted to spit some knowledge at you but your rebuttals indicate it'll be a lost cause.
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the milk and whithey nighties.. is for u old man.
its day time here.
so u relax and dont hate please im just a messenger. my poll is for my cause which is not lost yet.
if you like to spit.. spit some of your wise knowledge in direction of porting Android Wear to the Gear 2...:good:

Kaygeee said:
the milk and whithey nighties.. is for u old man.
its day time here.
so u relax and dont hate please im just a messenger. my poll is for my cause which is not lost yet.
if you like to spit.. spit some of your wise knowledge in direction of porting Android Wear to the Gear 2...:good:
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:laugh:Like you said Junior you're the expert. Sooner or later your rants and complaining will force Samsung to their knees. Certainly now they will port Wear over to the Gear2 right away cause you're Kaygeee. You've been ripped off. You bought a piece of tech and something else is on the horizon. You should have been privy to that info before hand. Your bullet points are sound. You've voided your device within 2 days. Overall you are rational in all of concerns. They'll certainly seek your mercy since you have the power of this poll. Yeah Junior. You can make it happen. We support you!

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:laugh:Like you said Junior you're the expert. Sooner or later your rants and complaining will force Samsung to their knees. Certainly now they will port Wear over to the Gear2 right away cause you're Kaygeee. You've been ripped off. You bought a piece of tech and something else is on the horizon. You should have been privy to that info before hand. Your bullet points are sound. You've voided your device within 2 days. Overall you are rational in all of concerns. They'll certainly seek your mercy since you have the power of this poll. Yeah Junior. You can make it happen. We support you!
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LOL i like your sense of humour your funny.
the vote count is increasing as we speak
Kaygeee Thats Meee sooner or later Samsung is on its Kneee :silly:
maybe we should make a song... and post it on youtube..
i'll record and you rap on my Gear 2. Oeps the video recording time is only 15 seconds bummer.

I sold my gear 2 and bought a gear live for the simple reason that I want a fully functional smart watch to work with Cyanogenmod and not have to rely on the TouchWiz framework, I did enjoy my time with the gear 2 though on Omega rom and if android wear did come out for the gear 2 then I would probably cancel my order but until it's done it's android wear from here on out so I have the flexibility to use it on any rom I choose.
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The main problem with it, and any other Android wear watchs is the 1 day use bit. Sure it's got an always on display but if they're advertising one day use, it probably means less.
Holding for for now until early reports from early adopters.
I like Google Now, but I never use it on my phone. The Gear 2 is giving me all the info I need with a 2.5-3 day battery.
I do also use the cam so gonna need support for that too.
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Also gonna need it to play music from device (For gym), and keep all the health integration.
I just wish I had hangouts on the tizen, and also the ability to use keyboard to reply for those odd rare occasions i need to (so far never but would be a nice to have).
Facebook app to view whats going on and eBay would also be nice.

As of now Tizen is better than Android Wear because of App availability AND UI. Also if your talking about Google now and S-Voice they BOTH need Internet connections to work. Which here in the Philippines is not available everywhere. So I don't really care about that.
I guess yes Samsung will port Android Wear to the Gear 2 but they'll still modify it so it will still work as it works right now.
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As of now Tizen is better than Android Wear because of App availability AND UI. Also if your talking about Google now and S-Voice they BOTH need Internet connections to work. Which here in the Philippines is not available everywhere. So I don't really care about that.
I guess yes Samsung will port Android Wear to the Gear 2 but they'll still modify it so it will still work as it works right now.
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Any kind of voice command is useless to me, it makes you look like a douche in public and if you're not in public just use your phone.
Tizen is growing on me, the music player is good / fine for gym, has cool health sensors and heart rate etc. It works for how i intend to use it.
If i get caught short while in the house away from phone i can still take call on device, dont think talking is on the Wear agenda.
Camera I also use often, very often. It's ideal for a quick snap.
The 3rd party apps are trash, and the forcing to use messaging instead of hangouts is whack, but as I don't intend to reply i just wish the notification showed the whole message.
The music player control is also way better on Tizen, everything on one screen, well thought out, little icons top right from clock face to go back. None of this silly swiping malarkay!
The fact you can send send directly from phone is also very cool!, the music player has plenty of features, favourites etc. it's actually very good. If this is a fitness device the Gear 2 shines.

+1 for android wear
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Closing this... Having a hard time comprehending value or worth of this thread....

Android Wear vs Tizen

I'm planning to buy either a Huawei Watch or a Samsung Gear S2 Classic soon, and the one piece of information I seem to be unable to find is a decent list of what apps are available for each?
Based on watching youtube videos I really prefer the interface on the S2, seems far more intuitive, but I don't want to find myself missing apps that I would find useful...
Anyone got one and find anything missing or know where I can find a list - google is failing me! Having come from Windows Phone to Android recently I dont want to back myself into an app hole again

http://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-gear-s2/599771-list-apps-work-gear-s2-please-add-here.html

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http://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-gear-s2/599771-list-apps-work-gear-s2-please-add-here.html
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So that list is really handy, thanks, but does seem to be 6months old...
Also, it doesnt help me by comparing to what Android Wear has - I havent used either, so I don't know what i'm missing out on if you know what i mean...
e.g. can i do turn by turn directions on wrist with google maps on either device? Can i get Waze running on either device? That article mentions e-mails and messaging with Samsung apps on their phones, what about on my Z5? Do i need to find a third party in that case?

I've updated that Gear s2 list on and off for the last six months, so while it's not comprehensive, it's up to date as far as it goes. I don't have a google wear watch to compare, but unlike Samsung, google let's you browse android wear apps on the web: https://play.google.com/store/apps/category/ANDROID_WEAR
It's generally agreed that android wear has way more apps than Tizen (and that apple has even more apps than Wear.) There's not a lot of agreement about how important that fact is. Some smartwatch users stick mostly to notifications, which are good for things like getting messages and for quick, simple replies; saves you from digging your phone out of your pocket all the time. Others care more about specific apps. The general feeling seems to be that the Gear S2 has maybe the best hardware and interface (and many like its looks), but that apps for the Gear S2 are a weak link. So, for example, the Gear S2 has a couple of options for turn-by-turn directions, one that comes with the watch called Here maps, and another 3rd party app called Gear Navigator; both are a little funky in my experience. Over on Android Wear, I'm guessing you'll have many more options to try from. On the other hand, the only circumstance in which I've found watch-based turn by turn directions useful is on a bicycle; in a car, the tiny screen just doesn't match up to having a full-sized smartphone screen on your dash. (I'll have to let someone else with experience let you know about what works and what doesn't with a Z5.)

Thanks for that. I had an MS band before and basically used it for notifications and telling the time!
I guess I'm worried that there will be some app I realise I want and can't get on Tizen , which knowing how that felt on WP is a concern...
But as you say, Gear S2 classic is the best looking smart watch out there (imho) for the price (huawei is nearly £100 more) so might be worth the shot since the interface appeals much more...
Hopefully someone with one and a Z5(or anything but a Samsung) can tune in and tell me how crippling it is to not be on Samsung's infrastructure

I've just sold my Huawei Watch and am currently using a s2 classic, my thoughts....
never installed any apps on my Huawei barring watch faces and an app to ajdust screen on time, all I needed and I guess wanted was the stock apps.
Gear s2 is IMO a better watch and the interface is so intuitive, of it could swap S voice for Google then I'd be even happier , so far the s2 does all I need and I love the extra run time I get compared to android wear.
I also have a gear S running biktors wear port so I still have option to use android wear whenever I choose.
BTW I got my s2 classic on eBay for £110 so this is based on my thoughts and this price point.
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gingerdude said:
I've just sold my Huawei Watch and am currently using a s2 classic, my thoughts....
never installed any apps on my Huawei barring watch faces and an app to ajdust screen on time, all I needed and I guess wanted was the stock apps.
Gear s2 is IMO a better watch and the interface is so intuitive, of it could swap S voice for Google then I'd be even happier , so far the s2 does all I need and I love the extra run time I get compared to android wear.
I also have a gear S running biktors wear port so I still have option to use android wear whenever I choose.
BTW I got my s2 classic on eBay for £110 so this is based on my thoughts and this price point.
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Thank you for the insight. Are you running with a galaxy phone or something else?

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Honestly I don't think either are worth their retail price, be patient and grab a mint 2nd hand one and let someone else take the hit.
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It should be no problem getting the S2 to link to a Z5, I am running on a Nexus 6 with a CM-based custom ROM with no problems. Apparently, you can do more with an S2 and a Samsung phone but I am not missing anything I want.
I try to keep Google out of as much of my life as possible so the idea that Tizen is not integrated into the Google infra-structure is a plus for me. I know I am in the minority but you couldn't pay me to use Android Wear (or Apple for that matter).
Fred

Well, despite leaning towards the Gear I just got a deal on Prime Day for the Huawei for under £200 so have sumped for that. Figure if I don't like it I can probably break even on selling on anyway

Tizen vs android
vaderag said:
I'm planning to buy either a Huawei Watch or a Samsung Gear S2 Classic soon, and the one piece of information I seem to be unable to find is a decent list of what apps are available for each?
Based on watching youtube videos I really prefer the interface on the S2, seems far more intuitive, but I don't want to find myself missing apps that I would find useful...
Anyone got one and find anything missing or know where I can find a list - google is failing me! Having come from Windows Phone to Android recently I dont want to back myself into an app hole again
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I think Tizen will improve in future and will add some best stuffs like android. I read here (Tizen vs android difference - .mindxmaster.com/2017/01/samsung-tizen-vs-google-android-compaision.html) Tizen is using HTML 5 apps and has better flexibility than android. Android has lots of apps in Google play store, which is an advantage over Tizen.

himanshux22 said:
I think Tizen will improve in future and will add some best stuffs like android.
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I have the Gear1, Gear2, GearS2 and use Tizen for about 3 years. I think I can count on the finger on ONE hand the new apps for Tizen since 3 years, so.......

Willing to Pay for android wear port

Cut dry plain & simple.
Im offering anywhere between 300-$500 for someone to port android wear to the Gear S2 Classic and have it fully function.
Im tired of Tizen and if i gotta dish out some extra cash to get better functionality from my watch then i will. This is no joke. you can PM me, or just leave comments below. I need android wear and so does the community. :good:

Why you bought smartwatches with Tizen, if you want Android Wear? Sorry, I don't get it.

Obvious question: Why not buy a Android Wear watch with your money?
Less obvious question: Why do you have a payment range?

pRo_lama said:
Why you bought smartwatches with Tizen, if you want Android Wear? Sorry, I don't get it.
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i bought it because it was my first Samsung watch with tizen so i had no pre-experience with tizen and i wanted to give it a try. I like tizen, but there's limited functionality so i like android wear more, the watch has more than enough horse power to run android wear.
its like asking why do ppl buy touchwiz enabled phones just to use AOSP roms. people want what they want.

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Obvious question: Why not buy a Android Wear watch with your money?
Less obvious question: Why do you have a payment range?
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well 1. because i wanna keep my watch and have android wear on it. i love the s2's design over anyother watch and its more than capable spec wise to run android wear.
2. because i understand how hard devs work and i also understand the time and effort it takes to make something like this and to have it work 100%. its not easy for all of them. so i figure offering a nice wad of cash would peek someones interest and motivate them to do it. devs work hard and alot of times for free to give us amazing things. so for someone to do that for me and an entire community at that? id be willing to pay.

none24 said:
well 1. because i wanna keep my watch and have android wear on it. i love the s2's design over anyother watch and its more than capable spec wise to run android wear.
2. because i understand how hard devs work and i also understand the time and effort it takes to make something like this and to have it work 100%. its not easy for all of them. so i figure offering a nice wad of cash would peek someones interest and motivate them to do it. devs work hard and alot of times for free to give us amazing things. so for someone to do that for me and an entire community at that? id be willing to pay.
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Understood.
I also think the design is great - not sure what Android Wear function you'd want to have the navigation ring perform - is there a good equivalent in Android wear's UI?
I'm part of the community and don't really want Android wear on my S2 - so perhaps 'entire community' is an assumption or projection.
Your sentiment for remuneration is admirable - but I was curious about the range ($300-$500), not the cash itself. Under what criteria would you donate $300 as opposed to $500? The reason I ask is that you are effectively saying "Spend 500 hours on something for me and I'll pay you for between 4 and 6 hours of that time, depending on... ? ".

none24 said:
Cut dry plain & simple.
Im offering anywhere between 300-$500 for someone to port android wear to the Gear S2 Classic and have it fully function.
Im tired of Tizen and if i gotta dish out some extra cash to get better functionality from my watch then i will. This is no joke. you can PM me, or just leave comments below. I need android wear and so does the community. :good:
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I got 50 on it thinking about sending biktor my s2 when I get my s3 if he's willing I'll pm him

What im saying is id donate that much to have a fully functioning version not just at whatever i see appear. Of course i dont mean the whole community wants it but if you look in the android wear for gear s2 thread there's a lot of ppl there that really want it. and i think it sucks that ppl cant enjoy one or the other. and the navigation ring should have scrolling features. in android wear you can go left right up and down in the menus, and in tizen you can do the same in certain menus, so the ring should be able to scroll left and right or up and down in the menus the same way. im in no way saying Tizen sucks, but i also dont see anything wrong with wanting extra functionality when almost all of us root our phones and install custom roms. almost every other gear watch has android wear whether its official or a dev ported it, i just wanna see it for my watch and for the others who do want it, have them enjoy they're watch even more than they do. I personally can get more out of my watch with android wear, and i love it already i just want to love it more lol

I definitely understand the OP's statement. I love my Gear S2 for casual wear (back and forth to work) and I use my Huawei Watch to go out.
Tizen vs Android Wear is a huge difference. I love how large the Android Wear development community is compared to Tizen. I love the hardware on the Gear S2, mainly the built in ambient light sensor and rotating bezel.
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none24 said:
What im saying is id donate that much to have a fully functioning version not just at whatever i see appear. Of course i dont mean the whole community wants it but if you look in the android wear for gear s2 thread there's a lot of ppl there that really want it. and i think it sucks that ppl cant enjoy one or the other. and the navigation ring should have scrolling features. in android wear you can go left right up and down in the menus, and in tizen you can do the same in certain menus, so the ring should be able to scroll left and right or up and down in the menus the same way. im in no way saying Tizen sucks, but i also dont see anything wrong with wanting extra functionality when almost all of us root our phones and install custom roms. almost every other gear watch has android wear whether its official or a dev ported it, i just wanna see it for my watch and for the others who do want it, have them enjoy they're watch even more than they do. I personally can get more out of my watch with android wear, and i love it already i just want to love it more lol
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I understand the issue better now. Thanks.
Perhaps I am not a typical user - I use my watch to view notifications, set timers, track steps walked, check the weather and of course tell the time. This is a lot of functionality, it all works, and it pretty sufficient (for me) for a single device.
You say you 'need' Android Wear and will be able to get more out of your watch. What will the new OS specifically let you do? If it is install more apps, specifically which AW apps will you install?

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I understand the issue better now. Thanks.
Perhaps I am not a typical user - I use my watch to view notifications, set timers, track steps walked, check the weather and of course tell the time. This is a lot of functionality, it all works, and it pretty sufficient (for me) for a single device.
You say you 'need' Android Wear and will be able to get more out of your watch. What will the new OS specifically let you do? If it is install more apps, specifically which AW apps will you install?
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Install more apps and to answer the question of specifics, there are none in specific, people have apps in the android wear section that they personally love, where as tizen has a lack of. it also makes things like creating my own watch faces & installing them easier, and you can also make certain apps compatible with your watch that are not. and because my watch has 4G I can also install a web browser. thats just scratching some surfaces. side loading apps that devs make is another big thing. i buy android phones because i can customize them however i want to make my experience better and I feel like Tizen is too restricting and not too much supported with the lack of apps as well as not really being able to be modded. It works, but i would much rather have android on my watch where i could do more and make things easier and get more bang for my buck.

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Install more apps and to answer the question of specifics, there are none in specific, people have apps in the android wear section that they personally love, where as tizen has a lack of. it also makes things like creating my own watch faces & installing them easier, and you can also make certain apps compatible with your watch that are not. and because my watch has 4G I can also install a web browser. thats just scratching some surfaces. side loading apps that devs make is another big thing. i buy android phones because i can customize them however i want to make my experience better and I feel like Tizen is too restricting and not too much supported with the lack of apps as well as not really being able to be modded. It works, but i would much rather have android on my watch where i could do more and make things easier and get more bang for my buck.
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Hmm.. I guess my understanding fails here.
It seems to be that you want the flexibility to do things that you can't really specify, but feel there is potential there and you would like to have that potential, regardless of how useful it is will be, and with no particular personal usage problem to solve.
Ah, first-world problems are fascinating
Best of luck with the search for purposeless flexibility!

Google Now! Google maps!
S voice is terrible
Lot of various reasons to want android wear

The S2 might be lacking in the app department, but I think Android Wear is just decent at best, and Google Cards are annoying as hell. A good portion of Wear apps don't work as flawless as people make it out to be. Grass is always greener.
What I would like is for Samsung to get serious and get Bank, Credit Card, Social Media, and other misc services to develop apps for Samsung Tizen watches, like Apple does.

Google now! To hell with the cards just want the voice capabilities. If this watch had that it would be perfect even without android wear
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The S2 might be lacking in the app department, but I think Android Wear is just decent at best, and Google Cards are annoying as hell. A good portion of Wear apps don't work as flawless as people make it out to be. Grass is always greener.
What I would like is for Samsung to get serious and get Bank, Credit Card, Social Media, and other misc services to develop apps for Samsung Tizen watches, like Apple does.
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Do you OWN an Android wear watch? I own both the Gear S2 and Huawei Watch and the software on the Huawei Watch is way more intuitive and it has a ton more of 3rd party development.
FYI I wear my Gear S2 as my daily driver because I don't mind scratching/damaging it. It definitely works. My biggest gripe is lack of development and the placement of the back button vs the home button.
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Do you OWN an Android wear watch? I own both the Gear S2 and Huawei Watch and the software on the Huawei Watch is way more intuitive and it has a ton more of 3rd party development.
FYI I wear my Gear S2 as my daily driver because I don't mind scratching/damaging it. It definitely works. My biggest gripe is lack of development and the placement of the back button vs the home button.
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Yes, I have owned the Gear Live and still have the 360(first smart watch I've owned). The last 2 years I've been wearing a Gear Neo 2 almost daily. And now the S2. Barely wore the Gear Live or 360. I just don't like the way Android Wear works for me. As much as I hate the "walled garden approach", I think it works great on a smartwatch.