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Here's some interesting comments from an analyst's report issued by Deutsche Bank that was just published. Clearly Samsung and Apple are the top two smartphone manufacturers and nothing's going to change that in the foreseeable future. The analyst talks about HTC's position in the 3-5 (next tier down) category. He lowered his target price a bit but retained a "hold" rating on their stock which means the sky isn’t falling as some would suggest.
HTC to remain competitive: Deutsche Bank
By Jeffrey Wu - 2012/07/24
Taipei, July 24 (CNA) Taiwanese smartphone maker HTC Corp. will maintain its competitiveness with product innovations despite intensified competition in the global mobile market, Deutsche Bank AG said Monday in a research note.
The German bank estimated that HTC shipped 9 million units in the second quarter, a decrease of 24 percent from the same period a year ago.
The decline in shipments would be less steep, however, than the 39 percent fall expected for Finnish phone maker Nokia Oyj and the 26 percent drop forecast for BlackBerry maker Research In Motion, the bank said.
Nokia shipped an estimated 10.2 million smartphones in the second quarter while Research In Motion shipped 7.8 million units, according to the bank.
"We think these developments indicate the intensified competition among the No. 3-5 vendors in the smartphone space," Deutsche Bank analyst William Yang wrote in the note.
"On the other hand, we see HTC's leading competitiveness in the No. 3-5 group," he said.
Yang mentioned that Microsoft Corp. has announced that HTC will be one of its key partners in launching Windows 8 smartphones in the second half of 2012, a move in contrast to the company's strategy for the Windows 7 version, which primarily supported Nokia.
"We think it indicates that HTC's competitiveness and relationship with OS (operating system) providers remain solid," he added.
Other upside factors for HTC, Yang said, include better-than-expected market share expansion in Europe and Asia driven by HTC's continued product innovations and a faster-than-expected 4G (fourth-generation) smartphone adoption rate in the U.S.
Despite these potentially positive factors, however, Deutsche Bank trimmed its target price for HTC to NT$365 (US$12) from NT$400 and kept a stock rating of "hold" because of intensified competition from arch rivals Samsung Electronics Co. and Apple Inc.
As of 10:11 a.m. Tuesday, HTC shares had fallen 2.26 percent to NT$280.50 in Taipei trading.
Deutsche Bank forecast that HTC's revenue will reach NT$98.7 billion in the third quarter of this year, up 8 percent from the second quarter, and that the company's operating margin will improve to 10.6 percent in the third quarter from 9 percent.
The bank also expected HTC's shipments to decline from 45 million units in 2011 to 39 million units in 2012, with its average selling price forecast to shrink from NT$355 to NT$325 during the year.
confused is this positive or negative jk
where does Asus fall
Very keen to try W8 and maybe make the switch.
Played with a Nokia 800 lumina and its very smooth. Actually smoother than the one x.
mickfitz said:
Very keen to try W8 and maybe make the switch.
Played with a Nokia 800 lumina and its very smooth. Actually smoother than the one x.
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have to agree with that one..my mum has a nokia lumia 710 and it is buttery smooth compare to my one x
mickfitz said:
Very keen to try W8 and maybe make the switch.
Played with a Nokia 800 lumina and its very smooth. Actually smoother than the one x.
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try JB and then talk to us about smooth
I have to admit I like the animations of Windows Phone 7 more, it not necessarily is more smooth but the animations themselves FEEL smooth, and are quite unique. Thing I don't like about Windows Phone is that multitasking is "fake" like iOS.
I must say that the One series is most likely going to be the comeback of HTC as a whole, consumers I think will prefer the looks of HTC phones over Samsung's plastic-y looks, even if specifications are worse.
hamdir said:
try JB and then talk to us about smooth
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Hamdir you crack me up
I think HTC should be #1 but I'm just a fanboy :angel:
a704e said:
I have to admit I like the animations of Windows Phone 7 more, it not necessarily is more smooth but the animations themselves FEEL smooth, and are quite unique. Thing I don't like about Windows Phone is that multitasking is "fake" like iOS.
I must say that the One series is most likely going to be the comeback of HTC as a whole, consumers I think will prefer the looks of HTC phones over Samsung's plastic-y looks, even if specifications are worse.
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Consumers will prefer the most marketed phone. Period. It is sad to see that no one learned from Apple about that (except maybe Samsung). People will buy anything that makes them think they are "cool" no matter how s#itty it really is. Remember the first iPhone? It even didn't have BT transfer (not to mention 3g, GPS, etc) which even the "dumb" phones had and it was selling like water in the desert. Why? Because Apple knows how to market to the masses.
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Tbh the iphone still doesn't really have much of a BT transfer.
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they may well of shipped 9 million units, but what isn't mentioned is they probably received 5 million back with faults.
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they may well of shipped 9 million units, but what isn't mentioned is they probably received 5 million back with faults.
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that is pure and utter BS
Enough with the FUD!
oh god pls dont bring in windows
if it happens i'll buy samsung
I'm not the only one on my 3rd one x. some are on their tenth.
or maybe that doesn't impact on profit at all. if it doesnt, then yes hamdir, bs. But, it does.
I'm not interested in, or predicting their demise, I'm only making an observation that seems to be overlooked when reasoning why profits are down.
tkolev said:
Consumers will prefer the most marketed phone. Period. It is sad to see that no one learned from Apple about that (except maybe Samsung). People will buy anything that makes them think they are "cool" no matter how s#itty it really is. Remember the first iPhone? It even didn't have BT transfer (not to mention 3g, GPS, etc) which even the "dumb" phones had and it was selling like water in the desert. Why? Because Apple knows how to market to the masses.
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IMHO Apple designs their products to "sell themselves" - if you watch any of their TV adverts or look at their banners, they pretty much just feature a picture of the device. The reason is that they design the product to look good and look attractive above all else. Remember that most consumers don't really care about what kind of specs a device has and wouldn't even dream of modding it.
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I'm not the only one on my 3rd one x. some are on their tenth.
or maybe that doesn't impact on profit at all. if it doesnt, then yes hamdir, bs. But, it does.
I'm not interested in, or predicting their demise, I'm only making an observation that seems to be overlooked when reasoning why profits are down.
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i am on my third and in fact opened over 10 defected ones, but my third a winner
but the point is it was just a rotten batch mate
HTC is known for their build quality and that doesn't change with one hiccup, i bought dozen a of devices from them, all build like freaking rock-ship
my wife drops her sensation XL daily where the back cover flies and still scratch free, dont make me start on how many times my DHD flew in the air than hit the asphalt and the sensation was also premium
the One V and S are sexy, really u claim 5 million defected devices just because we had some bad luck with early bad batch?
as for the One X there is no phone in the market right now better looking and better built, im sorry don't let the HT/SH 24 batch blind your eyes
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Consumers will prefer the most marketed phone. Period.
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This isn't true. There's always people categorized as "individualists" or "contrarians" that are repelled by conformity and wouldn't own an Apple product because of its banality. With the SGS3 selling in the quantities Samsung's projecting the same thing will start to occur. Ironically, Apple got its start appealing to that very audience with their "think different" and "1984" campaigns. I personally will never own an Apple product because I'm a devout contrarian.
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they may well of shipped 9 million units, but what isn't mentioned is they probably received 5 million back with faults.
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And I'm sure you're using this forum to draw that conclusion. I'd say there are probably 5-7K One X owners participating in this forum. That's .0007 percent of the 9M phones HTC's sold. That gives new meaning to statistically irrelevant. If the return rate was as bad as you're suggesting it would show up in their financials as expenses going through the roof. There expenses were up 1% which on billions of dollars of sales isn't in any way meaningful. And by the looks of the SGS3 forum Samsung's getting as many i9300's back with AMOLED display issues as HTC is for One X QC defects.
Still a downgrade from "buy" to hold doesn't look good, usually it means it's preparation for a "sell" advice
edit: whoa, HTC actually seem way undervalued: http://www.google.com/finance?q=TPE:2498 or the market are have already calculated in a big drop in revenue
BarryH_GEG said:
This isn't true. There's always people categorized as "individualists" or "contrarians" that are repelled by conformity and wouldn't own an Apple product because of its banality. With the SGS3 selling in the quantities Samsung's projecting the same thing will start to occur. Ironically, Apple got its start appealing to that very audience with their "think different" and "1984" campaigns. I personally will never own an Apple product because I'm a devout contrarian.
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Well, good for you. But companies don't care about individuals, they care about profit. So you either make exclusive product and sell it at 1000% of what it really costs (and I mean the whole research, developement, testing, marketing, production and logistics process, not the pointless calculations based on the price of the hardware some sites are so found of) or you make a product for the masses and make a profit from the volumes you sell. And if being the latter, you can't count on the "individualists" to carry you to the top. Samsung got where they are now by marketing the **** out of a inferior display technology in the SGS and creating one good followup product (SGS 2). Unfortinatelly, HTC fails to do so. They seem to lack the resources to make a marketing campaign which will create a hype about any of their products and they miserably fail with their followup products (desire s, anyone?) which leaves them wondering on their flagships. First it was the Desire, then the Sensation, now it's the One and you can't create a brand if you change the name every year or so.
Don't get me wrong, I too won't buy Apple or Samsung device (being an Android developer iOS is out of question and I hate the messed up colors on AMOLEDs, which Samsung puts on every one of their flagships) and want HTC to continue to make superb products like the HOX but in today's economy they need to find a proper way to do so and they need to find it fast.
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And by the looks of the SGS3 forum Samsung's getting as many i9300's back with AMOLED display issues as HTC is for One X QC defects.
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what kind of amoled issues?
shiningarmor said:
oh god pls dont bring in windows
if it happens i'll buy samsung
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There's always the possibility one day in the future Samsung will roll out Tizen and what may happen to Android on their own phones. At the moment Android is its biggest seller.
I think W8 phones will help HTC but then again if W8 proves to be a smashing hit they will face stiff competition from Nokia and the likes. Imagine a pure view handset incorporating W8 will be quite a hit.
Would have been nice to have a Nokia android device but hey will never ever happen!
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There's already kernel source available for the DNA? Does this just fully confirm that all the delays in the HOX's OS updates, source release, unlocking, etc., are all the complete fault of AT&T? I know the SGS3 had source basically immediately, too, but still. Not trying to be snarky, but actually asking for opinions. Unfortunately I can't mod my phone much due to corporate restrictions from my company, so I'm forced to maintain a little interest in the actual OTAs and carrier involvement.
sorry, dont kill me, this isn't really a "question" in the General forum, just meant to start more of a discussion.
No, the One x+ released with jellybean before we ever got jelly bean, so they were up in line before us.
They typically have a month to release source once they release the software to the public.
Source is all up to HTC and they always took their time, its just a simple fact you have to get used too.
Don't be offended that this will get closed soon, its not really a good topic for discussion because it almost always turns into bashing and flaming because people start pointing fingers at the carriers or manufacturer's.
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right, but we didnt get source for months. the DNA is HTC and just came out and already has source. and there's still no source for the HOX+ on ATT, but there is for O2 and in Asia.
I miss read your post and I'll elaborate further when I get a chance
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Keep in mind that we haven't had a official release of jellybean for att.
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Right, I guess that's really what I'm getting at. It just seems like ATT is the bottle neck for all of the wait. I haven't been very active on the forums for a couple of months, but previously there was a lot of angst towards HTC for how long it took them to provide source, which was for an older version of the software when it did actually hit. However, when HTC and other carriers are able to produce source almost instantly after a phone's release, I just start to wonder at which point we can really look to AT&T for all the frustrations caused with essentially having a flagship be abandoned within a few months. Should I just expect this treatment is going to be the norm from now on?
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I miss read your post and I'll elaborate further when I get a chance
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Cool, no worries.
The reason why the droid DNA has source already is because its counterpart the HTC j butterfly was released well before the DNA and even before the HOX+
So that's why source is out already because it was released before
The international version will always get updates/source before anything else.
I believe there are less restrictions
And american branded phones will always get them last because of the many restrictions we have here either due to patents or restrictions via carriers
Its just how it is, and HTC likes to take their time.
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The HTC one xl aka AT&T one x is not an American branded phone or exclusive to America or anything special or different to any other phone.
AT&T are just one of the many carriers that sell the phones. The jb update has landed on other carriers prior to AT&T and kernel for that has not come yet either.
At&t have zero to do with any release or source things with this phone. They are just a another carrier.
Othen than iPhone, mobile phones always only had a few months at the top before a new flagship landed. Htc, samsung, Nokia, etc have long been prolific with releases to try to one up or at least equal each other to encourage upgrades and stay fresh. HTC one xl is still on sale and considered a high end phone on lte carriers. Just it is nearing 12 months old and that isn't fresh in the technology world.
I am at a loss for why so many users here are so desperate for AT&T to seem remotely important regarding any particulars with this phone.
No one cares you spent all of your money on a phone to be cool and now feel ripped off because others own the next best thing. Now you understand the life cycle of technology, consider it a life lesson for things like tv's, cars, fridges, coffee machines, and everything else adults own.
twistedddx said:
The HTC one xl aka AT&T one x is not an American branded phone or exclusive to America or anything special or different to any other phone.
AT&T are just one of the many carriers that sell the phones. The jb update has landed on other carriers prior to AT&T and kernel for that has not come yet either.
At&t have zero to do with any release or source things with this phone. They are just a another carrier.
Othen than iPhone, mobile phones always only had a few months at the top before a new flagship landed. Htc, samsung, Nokia, etc have long been prolific with releases to try to one up or at least equal each other to encourage upgrades and stay fresh. HTC one xl is still on sale and considered a high end phone on lte carriers. Just it is nearing 12 months old and that isn't fresh in the technology world.
I am at a loss for why so many users here are so desperate for AT&T to seem remotely important regarding any particulars with this phone.
No one cares you spent all of your money on a phone to be cool and now feel ripped off because others own the next best thing. Now you understand the life cycle of technology, consider it a life lesson for things like tv's, cars, fridges, coffee machines, and everything else adults own.
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The only lesson to learn is to never buy an HTC product on AT&T.
n19htmare said:
The only lesson to learn is to never buy an HTC product on AT&T.
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That's quite an immature reply... What are you so butthurt about? Go switch to Verizon and tell me how you like their customer service..
And Verizon takes longer for updates usually...hopefully you're not an adult to put out a response like that...
omario8484 said:
That's quite an immature reply... What are you so butthurt about? Go switch to Verizon and tell me how you like their customer service..
And Verizon takes longer for updates usually...hopefully you're not an adult to put out a response like that...
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He's right, Verizon is horrible with updates
Glad I switched!
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Verizon lacks Google wallet does it not and also has issues with locked bootloaders and late updates.
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Verizon lacks Google wallet does it not and also has issues with locked bootloaders and late updates.
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AT&T also lacks Google wallet.
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well i wasn't trying to start a flamefest, but apparently this is turning into an engadget-esque thread pretty quickly. the basis of my original post was that i was under the impression that the int'l One XLs had source before we did, but I really couldn't recall. I just thought it was interesting that our ATT HOX had to wait so long for source and the DNA basically dropped with it.
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I am at a loss for why so many users here are so desperate for AT&T to seem remotely important regarding any particulars with this phone.
No one cares you spent all of your money on a phone to be cool and now feel ripped off because others own the next best thing. Now you understand the life cycle of technology, consider it a life lesson for things like tv's, cars, fridges, coffee machines, and everything else adults own.
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thanks for taking this one way beyond unreasonable. I'm not complaining about JB or lack thereof, and I can fully assure you that I comprehend the life cycles of technology. Based on your response, I'm guessing you're either an immature HS senior or a disgruntled 35yr old former best buy employee. Regardless, if you want to criticize me for simply looking for clarification or an opinion, then that's your problem. However, the best way to talk about "everything else adults own" is to actually give the slightest impression that you are an adult. Thanks for absolutely zero contribution to this thread, and probably the forums in general.
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The reason why the droid DNA has source already is because its counterpart the HTC j butterfly was released well before the DNA and even before the HOX+
So that's why source is out already because it was released before
The international version will always get updates/source before anything else.
I believe there are less restrictions
And american branded phones will always get them last because of the many restrictions we have here either due to patents or restrictions via carriers
Its just how it is, and HTC likes to take their time.
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Thanks, I didn't realize the DNA and Butterfly were so closely tied in terms of final hardware/software. Yes, the American carriers take forever to get anything through to their devices. And yes, HTC never seems to be rushing to get anything done, and with the host of delays throughout the life cylce of this HOX, I'm not sure why I'm holding my breath. Maybe it's because I really do love this phone and wish it could have been treated the way it was billed at release. I just wish I didn't have corporate restrictions and had the freedom to mod this thing like I did my old Atrix.
fitchpuckman said:
under the impression that the int'l One XLs had source before we did, but I really couldn't recall.
I'm guessing you're either an immature HS senior or a disgruntled 35yr old former best buy employee.
However, the best way to talk about "everything else adults own" is to actually give the slightest impression that you are an adult
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The international One XL did not get kernel source in a more timely manner, they are getting it at the same time.
As for flaming, I made no personal attacks towards you but you did towards me?
I am not a HS senior or a disgruntled best buys employee, I am an adult however.
You asked for opinion and I gave you mine, which is that there is a common vibe from the AT&T One X users(including you) that AT&T is the reason for late kernel drops and lateness in software releases. I am pointing out that in my opinion neither are related to AT&T.
Many users also are complaining/disgruntled that the AT&T One X was dropped as the flagship.
Eg you:
"look to AT&T for all the frustrations caused with essentially having a flagship be abandoned within a few months"
Once again in my opinion it was dropped in a similar time frame to any phone getting dropped by any carrier or brand.
I gave 3 opinions about 3 direct things you asked for opinions on.
-kernel source
-release rate
-flagship status
You asked for opinions, I gave mine.
In reply you attempted to personally flamed me. You do not seem to forum well.
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The international One XL did not get kernel source in a more timely manner, they are getting it at the same time.
As for flaming, I made no personal attacks towards you but you did towards me?
I am not a HS senior or a disgruntled best buys employee, I am an adult however.
You asked for opinion and I gave you mine, which is that there is a common vibe from the AT&T One X users(including you) that AT&T is the reason for late kernel drops and lateness in software releases. I am pointing out that in my opinion neither are related to AT&T.
Many users also are complaining/disgruntled that the AT&T One X was dropped as the flagship.
Eg you:
"look to AT&T for all the frustrations caused with essentially having a flagship be abandoned within a few months"
Once again in my opinion it was dropped in a similar time frame to any phone getting dropped by any carrier or brand.
I gave 3 opinions about 3 direct things you asked for opinions on.
-kernel source
-release rate
-flagship status
You asked for opinions, I gave mine.
In reply you attempted to personally flamed me. You do not seem to forum well.
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The One X (Int'l) got source (~1mo from release, only a few weks for some countries)) two times faster than the ATT One X/XL (just under 2 months after release). I know it's picky, but I'm simply saying.
Now, please go back and read my original comments and stop taking portions of my words out of context.
And I didnt say you were flaming me, I just said this was turning into a flamefest. Yes, I participated at that point, which makes me no better than I called out, I suppose.
Regardless, I started this thread just looking for thoughts regarding the DNA and the timeliness of it's source code release on Verizon, and how that relates to ATT dragging its feet with most devices that aren't it's one carrier 'flagship' phone (at this point, i think the SGS3). If you think this has nothign to do with ATT, then that's fine; that's was I was asking not telling. I wasn't here complaining, I was here discussing. Am I thrilled with ATT right now? Of course not, but this didn't start as a whiny rant, and I'd prefer it didn't end that way. I appreciate the opinions you've shared, but I think some were a little misguided in nature.
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The One X (Int'l) got source (~1mo from release, only a few weks for some countries)) two times faster than the ATT One X/XL (just under 2 months after release)..
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You had mentioned the International One XL in particular not the International One X. The One XL in all regions had source dropped at about the same time.
The International One X is an entirely unrelated phone.
h8rift said his personal feeling was HTC release source based on sales.
This translates to:
It appears there is a constant backlog of devices waiting for source to be released in general and the backlog is cleared on a priority basis.
The higher the sales of a phone the higher the priority, with a "once it hits 90 days the device always gets high priority" catchall.
Devices such as the International One X and One S have massive sales and see the source released first. They are available in nearly all markets and are slightly cheaper so sell well.
Phones with less sales such as One XL take longer, typically the full 90 days.
DroidDNA was a side effect of the phone was already available for a long time in another region. It has already waited in line.
Perhaps people can be upset if AT&T keep taking the more uncommon models such as the new AT&T One X+ versus the normal International One X+. If the phone inst generally available everywhere the sales will be less and that means lower priority for updates and source.
But I think AT&T are just an early adopter in the world with LTE so for the next year or so they with Rogers, Telus, Singtel, Telstra, Vodafone, O2 will keep ending up with flagship models that are less common than they could otherwise be and it is not really their fault for being bleeding edge?
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You had mentioned the International One XL in particular not the International One X. The One XL in all regions had source dropped at about the same time.
The International One X is an entirely unrelated phone.
But I think AT&T are just an early adopter in the world with LTE so for the next year or so they with Rogers, Telus, Singtel, Telstra, Vodafone, O2 will keep ending up with flagship models that are less common than they could otherwise be and it is not really their fault for being bleeding edge?
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my mistake, I was misremembering the releases and mixing up the LTE vs hspa versions.
Out make an interesting point about ATT (and other similar carriers) being a sort of early adopter, at least in terms of network technology. I had always stuck with them due to the GSM networks while others continued to build around the CDMA. Network speeds made this an easy decision, as did the crap battery life that folks at Verizon and Sprint had to deal with due to early LTE phones being stuck with two radios. But you are right that ATT deserves some slack for having been a little ahead of the curve in terms of this, and that does put them at a disadvantage in terms of having access to a more common/standard build of software for its phones.
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It is really a good artical to read. Lots of innovation from HTC in smartphone world.
http://pocketnow.com/2013/05/22/imagine-a-world-without-htc
It give lots of history what HTC has accomplished in past, most guy started to use iphone and enter the smart phone world will never know those history.
I do not know that HTC was first to put GPS in the smartphone even I owned O2 device.
In the end of he said
"I’ll admit I’ve made a decision when it comes to the future that I want. You’ll ask, what does my decision have to do with the industry, right? Well, as a matter of fact, each of us defines it as customers. Surely you all know that at Pocketnow we all review phones and therefore, since we always have review units to test, we rarely ever buy devices of our own. That said, I’ve decided to buy an HTC One out of my own money. I do feel HTC deserves it. Surely it may not save HTC, but I hope that my two cents of contribution help."
I'm glad I bought HTC one which is marketable.
What you think? Without HTC in the last 10 years, the XDA will not be so hot place for us at least.
anyone can let me know or moderate to help update the title? I miss one "I" before the magine
I don't want to live in a world of phones with physical home buttons! Die Samsung! Long live HTC!
Loving this phone at the moment.
It's good to see another positive article on this forum.
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Is "magine" like the word "merican"?
I do not want to imagine a world without HTC.
I have owned nothing but HTC since I pre-ordered the G1. Three G1's, 2 G2's, an Amaze, a ONE S and a ONE later, I still can't find anything I prefer over HTC. I know there are other great devices out there but I always end up spending my money on HTC. I almost took the leap on the GS3 but after holding it in person, it just didn't fit for me. I even walked in with every intention of buying one but I walked out with the ONE S and never looked back. I am even sold on Sense 5. I was quite angry about losing vanilla after the G2 but I think Sense 5 fits quite nicely with HTC and it's brand.
Really, HTC has always been a great phone for me and I think it would have been great for others had they known anything about them. How can you compete with a brand that is so diversified like Samsung. They have played the game well and made themselves a household name. Almost everyone has some sort of Samsung product and we tend to stick to what we know and what is shoved down our throat. Us old school guys know what HTC has done for smartphones and Android. The problem is nobody else does.
I hope HTC can pull through this as I am really looking forward to what they can do as the next step from the ONE.
Brilliant Post!!
I'm posting this here because I know HTC employees read these threads. So here is a very candid message to you HTC
HTC saw its share prices fall 7% on the news that it will post its first ever operating loss this quarter.
For us One S users the reason is obvious. The company has no regard for its users, us One S users in particular but I don't think we are the only ones. Don't get me wrong I love the phones. I love my One S, the HTC One would be my next phone no question, except for the shabby way it treats its users.
First we are told that the One S will get an upgrade to JB 4.2.2, then we are told we won't. Then we are told some of us will. I don't care about the technical reasons. Like most of us, I paid over the odds for my HTC One S through my T-Mobile UK contract on the assumption that as a new phone (in May last year) it would be supported at least through the lifetime of my two year contract. By my reckoning I will pay over £600, for a phone I could have paid much less for (some say should have paid much less for). I don't know about other users but £600 is a big deal to me. The least I would expect is that the phone gets support throughout the lifetime of a contract.
It's just not good enough HTC, and now you are reaping what you have sown. You can bring out all the brilliant phones you want, you can go after the midmarket, but if you treat your customers in the same way as you have treated One S users you will fail. And that would be sad, because you employ real people who will be affected, because you have a customer base that will be affected, and because you have a potential market that really need an option other than Samsung or LG.
I am sad that I will never be an HTC One owner. It's way ahead of its Samgung rival (not that I would seriously consider buying a Samsung), but sorry HTC. You have lost me. I am going Nexus next time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...hone-maker-essential-is-said-to-consider-sale
shocker
We'll...
Like the stages of grief, I was initially frustrated and upset. After thinking about it for about 3 minutes, just about every possession I own is for sale, for the right price. Go get it Andy!
Kinda sad, was tempted to buy a ph-2. But now I'm happy I'll get a chance to buy a ph-1 when they go on fire sale. It will fit right in with my nextbit Robin.
this was a response from Essential that Android Police received
An official Essential spokesperson responded to our request for comment. Here's what we got:
"We always have multiple products in development at the same time and we embrace canceling some in favor of the ones we think will be bigger hits. We are putting all of our efforts towards our future, game-changing products, which include mobile and home products."
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Damm! I've been so looking forward to the new phone! I'm sure it would have been a much bigger success.
(another article about it, based on Bloomberg report https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/24/...ncels-phone-development-considers-sale-report )
So do I buy another backup one as there really doesn't seem to be an alternative.
IronRoo said:
Damm! I've been so looking forward to the new phone! I'm sure it would have been a much bigger success.
(another article about it, based on Bloomberg report https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/24/...ncels-phone-development-considers-sale-report )
So do I buy another backup one as there really doesn't seem to be an alternative.
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yeah.. all the phone needs is oled screen and it would be perfect.. though the lcd is very good
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Do you think we'll still get continued support for the PH-1, as getting the security updates quick, and getting updated to the official release of android p?
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Do you think we'll still get continued support for the PH-1, as getting the security updates quick, and getting updated to the official release of android p?
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I was just wondering that myself.. let's hope the support continues for years to come. I have no plans to upgrade. Love my PH-1
I would not count on continued support for very long. You can’t hardly get decent long term support from phone companies that stay in business...
Sad day really. Especially the cancellation of the phone. I really believed the second one was going to get it right. I only had two problems with the phone: Low light performance of the cameras and poor signal strength (mostly indoors)
I don't think it would have been hard to improve in those areas for their next phone. He is giving up to easy.
P.S. won't be buying their other products if this is how it's going to go.
Maybe we need a petition started to give him more confidence.
It is sad, the Essential Phone had such promise. But sometimes in business "Promises" won't pay the staff or the bills. I was looking forward to PH-2, but now I am, I can't believe I am saying this, looking at the iPhone X.
I have use Android phones ,Nexis< from the beginning. Nexus left us in favor of the extremely expensive and hamstrung Pixel, I was really hoping Essential would fill that void, the one thing is the universe is constant "Apple" seems to always keep thing consistent.
Damn I need to call my therapist, its just a fuc____g phone...
Oh no. That's bad news. What a beautiful phone and not being continued.
First my wonderful Lumia, now the Essential.... Sometimes you wonder what it takes to break into this market.
oldman_58 said:
It is sad, the Essential Phone had such promise. But sometimes in business "Promises" won't pay the staff or the bills. I was looking forward to PH-2, but now I am, I can't believe I am saying this, looking at the iPhone X.
I have use Android phones ,Nexis< from the beginning. Nexus left us in favor of the extremely expensive and hamstrung Pixel, I was really hoping Essential would fill that void, the one thing is the universe is constant "Apple" seems to always keep thing consistent.
Damn I need to call my therapist, its just a fuc____g phone...
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I have the Essential and iPhone X. When it comes to size I constantly confuse the two of them. The Essential phone was the first Android device that felt like Apple quality to me. Can’t go wrong with either one.
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Damn, that really sux. This was the best phone I ever owned
sam2c said:
Damn, that really sux. This was the best phone I ever owned
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well, good thing for now is that we still own the best phone we ever owned.
derausgewanderte said:
Oh no. That's bad news. What a beautiful phone and not being continued.
First my wonderful Lumia, now the Essential.... Sometimes you wonder what it takes to break into this market.
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You jinxed it!
Don't buy a OnePlus 6 please...
Jk
Bummed on this one for sure. I've been impressed enough with this phone and especially the support to have considered replacing my wife's aging Nexus 5X with the second generation one (assuming the camera was better than the ph-1).
this feels exactly like what happened to me when Google sold Motorola soon after I bought my 2013 Moto X, which is still my all time fav phone. Google was supporting it (we got KitKat FAST) and then BAM the support was yanked out when the company got sold. I was starting to like this phone almost as much.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...hone-maker-essential-is-said-to-consider-sale
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Rumors.
From Andy:
"We always have multiple products in development at the same time and we embrace canceling some in favor of the ones we think will be bigger hits. We are putting all of our efforts towards our future, game-changing products, which include mobile and home products."
Where does that say the company is closing or that PH-2 is dead?
The article is from a confidential source.
tech_head said:
Rumors.
From Andy:
"We always have multiple products in development at the same time and we embrace canceling some in favor of the ones we think will be bigger hits. We are putting all of our efforts towards our future, game-changing products, which include mobile and home products."
Where does that say the company is closing or that PH-2 is dead?
The article is from a confidential source.
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Cmon dude he posted it as a response to the articles
"we embrace canceling some in favor of the ones we think will be bigger hits."
I think that is pretty clear, unless you're being intentionally obtuse.