After many live chat sessions and escalations, I have pried bootloader information from Samsung, here are the facts:
(This is from the u.s. live chat)
"If you purchase the Unlocked phone from samsung , Bootloader will be unlocked already on phone"
Hope this helps
Also, the carrier versions will be locked and all unlock control handed over to the carrier's, (who will obviously not provide any unlocking options(except maybe T-Mobile))
The_scam said:
After many live chat sessions and escalations, I have pried bootloader information from Samsung, here are the facts:
(This is from the u.s. live chat)
"If you purchase the Unlocked phone from samsung , Bootloader will be unlocked already on phone"
Hope this helps
Also, the carrier versions will be locked and all unlock control handed over to the carrier's, (who will obviously not provide any unlocking options(except maybe T-Mobile))
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Riiiiiight.
We went through this BS with the note 7 last year.
Sammy is full of crap to put it blunty, the CSRs dont have accurate information.
I would love this to be true and I wont be buying one if its not but trust me...dont take what they say as being even remotely accurate
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force70 said:
Riiiiiight.
We went through this BS with the note 7 last year.
Sammy is full of crap to put it blunty, the CSRs dont have accurate information.
I would love this to be true and I wont be buying one if its not but trust me...dont take what they say as being even remotely accurate
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Don't worry bout' that, I got a ticket from the live chat and got it escalated to 3x to the manager of the live chat manager.
*shOULD be accurate.
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Don't worry bout' that, I got a ticket from the live chat and got it escalated to 3x to the manager of the live chat manager.
*shOULD be accurate.
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Would love that to be true, mind you I will most likely go for the exynos version anyway. I had both a snapdragon AND a exynos note 7 and the exynos killed it pretty much in every way.
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Would love that to be true, mind you I will most likely go for the exynos version anyway. I had both a snapdragon AND a exynos note 7 and the exynos killed it pretty much in every way.
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Same with the s7 edge. The exynos pretty much kinged the snapdragon variant
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Don't worry bout' that, I got a ticket from the live chat and got it escalated to 3x to the manager of the live chat manager.
*shOULD be accurate.
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It's not accurate. The CSR's don't know the difference between an unlocked bootloader and an unlocked sim. They also don't know the difference between a telephone and a piece of toast. There is no way in the world that they will allow an unlocked bootloader when their own knox design cripples the phone and voids the warranty as soon as it's rooted.
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It's not accurate. The CSR's don't know the difference between an unlocked bootloader and an unlocked sim. They also don't know the difference between a telephone and a piece of toast. There is no way in the world that they will allow an unlocked bootloader when their own knox design cripples the phone and voids the warranty as soon as it's rooted.
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OK, I don't know how many times I will have to clarify this.
The car live chat was turned into a ticket. Which has higher priority and CSR level than live chat. Then that was escalated to a software development engineer rep. I'm pretty sure this will be accurate, probably only the non QCOM cores tho
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OK, I don't know how many times I will have to clarify this.
The car live chat was turned into a ticket. Which has higher priority and CSR level than live chat. Then that was escalated to a software development engineer rep. I'm pretty sure this will be accurate, probably only the non QCOM cores tho
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I don't care if Oh-Hyun Kwon told you that the bootloader would be unlocked lol It won't. You probably miss-spoke or they miss-understood you and thought you were talking about the sim. The bootloader will not be able to be unlocked and I can guarantee you of this. Samsung is copying Apples model of device security and there is no way they would allow you to unlock the bootloader. And if you keep it up, I will refresh this thread once a week after the phone is launched to remind you of how wrong you were lol
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I don't care if Oh-Hyun Kwon told you that the bootloader would be unlocked lol It won't. You probably miss-spoke or they miss-understood you and thought you were talking about the sim. The bootloader will not be able to be unlocked and I can guarantee you of this. Samsung is copying Apples model of device security and there is no way they would allow you to unlock the bootloader. And if you keep it up, I will refresh this thread once a week after the phone is launched to remind you of how wrong you were lol
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OK, chill out. Believe it, or dont. But I confirmed the bootloader, I think that the rep for the software engineers know what a BOOTLOADER is.
Also chill out with the stereotype names, my rep was actually called "Jen"
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OK, chill out. Believe it, or dont. But I confirmed the bootloader, I think that the rep for the software engineers know what a BOOTLOADER is.
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Okay so the phone will be released without Samsung pay then. Is this what you're saying? Samsung pay is immediately disabled as soon as the bootloader is unlocked. So what you're saying is that the phone will be released without Samsung pay. Does this sound logical to you?
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Okay so the phone will be released without Samsung pay then. Is this what you're saying? Samsung pay is immediately disabled as soon as the bootloader is unlocked. So what you're saying is that the phone will be released without Samsung pay. Does this sound logical to you?
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"You're right"
Absolutely Right
I don't enjoy being attacked on a development forum. Just choose to believe it or not, no need to share your opinion multiple times. This is some INFORMATION, the way I got it. It is not my opinion, it is just here. Take it or leave it buddy.
My guess is it will be the same model as the Note 7 where the international versions can be unlocked but the US/Canada Snapdragons cannot outside of an exploit like the one that we used early in on the Note us before it was patched. Unlocking the bootloader will kill Pay of course but a lot of people don't care, Keep in mind that locked bootloaders are prohibited in some countries like Singapore.
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Also chill out with the stereotype names, my rep was actually called "Jen"
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Oh-Hyun Kwon is the CEO of Samsung, not a stereotype name, which is what made the post funny.
Regardless, the info on the unlocked bootloader is much appreciated.
Whats special about the USA that they keep the bootloader locked for that region?
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Whats special about the USA that they keep the bootloader locked for that region?
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Pretty much carriers request, but usually t-mobile vibrants the bootloader could be unlocked rather easily.
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Oh-Hyun Kwon is the CEO of Samsung, not a stereotype name, which is what made the post funny.
Regardless, the info on the unlocked bootloader is much appreciated.
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Im with this guy. Bootloader wont be unlock on our snapdragon version. This was already the case with gs7 and note 7. Samsung will say anything on our favor for people to buy their phone. The truth is that 95% of the people dont care about bootloader or root. So having a lock bootloader and promote security is more valuable in their favor. Most probably dont even kmow what a sg 835 id. Only thing most people care. How the screen looks, if it is fast, good battery life and camera.
The Tmo phones were not easily unlocked, they were the same as the rest of the snapdragons with the Note 7 and I think more of the same can be expected. Samsung used to make multiple variants of their snapdragons with and without locked bootloaders but reportedly will not do so again, all will be locked going forward since most go to the North American market where the carriers request it. I would be very hesitant to order a snapdragon S8 if I wanted an unlocked bootloader until it was proven it can be unlocked. It can often take months or years to get into bootloaders these days and some are never unlocked. Those who demand root will want the international not just for the unlocked bootloader but also because that will be where nearly all the effort in development happens.
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The Tmo phones were not easily unlocked, they were the same as the rest of the snapdragons with the Note 7 and I think more of the same can be expected. Samsung used to make multiple variants of their snapdragons with and without locked bootloaders but reportedly will not do so again, all will be locked going forward since most go to the North American market where the carriers request it. I would be very hesitant to order a snapdragon S8 if I wanted an unlocked bootloader until it was proven it can be unlocked. It can often take months or years to get into bootloaders these days and some are never unlocked. Those who demand root will want the international not just for the unlocked bootloader but also because that will be where nearly all the effort in development happens.
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They were never unlocked as far as I know...neither was the note not that it was out for long enough to get that far lol.
Root was achieved via leaked engineering firmware. No twrp recovery either just root.
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Yeah, I had an international. They actually patched the snapdragon phone after the first recall that prevented the installation of the leaked engineering firmware. Meanwhile over in international land we were flashing away for our brief ownership. I'm actually only here because I think we'll get some idea of what to expect with the Note 8 from this phone. That's probably going to be my next buy unless a surprise phone hits. Going back to the topic the news was over on the Note 7 forum that the snapdragon would no longer be coming with unlocked bootloader at any carrier or point of retail. Flashers should be wary of getting the snapdragon, unless something changed it won't be unlocked.
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Yeah, I had an international. They actually patched the snapdragon phone after the first recall that prevented the installation of the leaked engineering firmware. Meanwhile over in international land we were flashing away for our brief ownership. I'm actually only here because I think we'll get some idea of what to expect with the Note 8 from this phone. That's probably going to be my next buy unless a surprise phone hits. Going back to the topic the news was over on the Note 7 forum that the snapdragon would no longer be coming with unlocked bootloader at any carrier or point of retail. Flashers should be wary of getting the snapdragon, unless something changed it won't be unlocked.
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Yep....i had a snapdragon launch day then a week later got a exynos.
Then with all the recall BS stupid me took it back....realized how stupid that was then managed to snag another snapdragon thanks to a friend. Was happily using that until those Aholes at sammy killed the note 7 on all Canadian networks in Dec.
Ill likely trade it in on an S8 then sell it and buy a Exynos version lol.
I keep my eyes peeled for exynos note 7s still...not even sure if one would work in canada now but if it did Id buy it LOL
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Related
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/10/samsung-brings-out-galaxy-s-iii-developer-edition-for-verizon/
Q&A
Who is this for?
Samsung and Verizon Wireless recognize that there are many enthusiasts and professional developers that are interested in customizing their device with third-party ROM software. Unlocking the bootloader can put the stability of the phone in jeopardy; therefore, only experienced developers should attempt to unlock the bootloader.
What about the other carriers?
Other versions of the Galaxy S III are sold with a user-unlockable bootloader as a standard feature. Those models are available directly from the respective carriers.
Where can I buy the Galaxy S III Developer Edition?
The Developer Edition will be sold online directly from Samsung. When the device is available for purchase, it will be sold through the Samsung developer portal at developer.samsung.com
Why is Verizon Wireless' version locked?
Depending on the device, an open boot loader could prevent Verizon Wireless from providing the same level of customer experience and support because it would allow users to change the phone or otherwise modify the software and, potentially, negatively impact how the phone connects with the network. The addition of unapproved software could also negatively impact the wireless experience for other customers. Unlocking the device also voids the warranty.
Has Samsung always unlocked the bootloader on its phones?
While not all previous Samsung Android devices have had an easily unlockable bootloader, all of our other current Galaxy S III flagship lineup, and all Nexus-branded devices, support the standard bootloader unlocking procedure.
What happens if I load custom software and damage ("brick") my phone?
Problems caused by your unlocking the bootloader and installing custom software will not be covered by the warranty. Problems with third-party and customized bootloader software can cause irreparable harm to the Galaxy S III. Users interested in performing these actions should proceed with caution and at their own risk. Out of warranty Galaxy S III Developer Edition devices will be serviced directly through Samsung, and service charges will apply.
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Who's up for burning down some Verizon stores?
agreed. an absolute joke!?!?
Does NOT belong in the development forum!
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Normally I'd say it doesn't belong on the development forum, but this is obviously a very hot development-associated topic, and devs and followers are all interested in any updates regarding the bootloader status. This is important because it has implications for devs working to unlock the regular citizen's version--with an unlocked phone to play with, they'll be able to attack from the other side as well.
Boy did they give the the middle finger. So unlocked bootloaders and difrrent roms mess up the system, So they give us a locked bootloader and say its Samsungs falt but then let them sell us a unlocked bootloader phone and say its ok to use on your network. Thats some ****ed up ****
if samsung did this right tho, they would give us the key to unlocking the bootloaders for the verizon phones that have locked ones. leaving us with a $249-$300 phones that have unlocked bootloaders, compared to almost full retail. but that could never happen could it? (;
cadams122593 said:
if samsung did this right tho, they would give us the key to unlocking the bootloaders for the verizon phones that have locked ones. leaving us with a $249-$300 phones that have unlocked bootloaders, compared to almost full retail. but that could never happen could it? (;
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Maybe this is samsungs way of saying f-u verizon lol
Locked
Damn I really feel bad for you guys.
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yeah, that really sucks. looks to me like jumbo mumbo they are making up to they 'gave a response'
Let them know what you think of their policy with your wallet. I will never be a Verizon customer.
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Any chance devs can take the boot loader from this dev phone and put it on the regular S3?
K.AuthoR said:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/10/samsung-brings-out-galaxy-s-iii-developer-edition-for-verizon/
Who's up for burning down some Verizon stores?
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Please retain from smoking bath salts. That's all I ask.
dreamsti said:
Any chance devs can take the boot loader from this dev phone and put it on the regular S3?
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I suppose that's the million dollar question. If that happens, great. Then everybody sort of comes out happy with their phones.
cadams122593 said:
if samsung did this right tho, they would give us the key to unlocking the bootloaders for the verizon phones that have locked ones. leaving us with a $249-$300 phones that have unlocked bootloaders, compared to almost full retail. but that could never happen could it? (;
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What if Samsung, doesn't have the keys to give us? What if Verizon generated the keys, signed the boot, and then flashed our phones?
I just wanted to say how TROLOLOL this is, I feel bad for you guys on Verizon but I do find it kind of amusing, Verizon pulled this same sh*t with the Droid Razr, that shipped with a Locked BL and what was the answer have Moto offer a no warranty Dev Version...same thing just a diff manufacturer.
I do think its stupid of VZ for locking it down the way they did. But, it is a device thats used on their network, and if thats what they want to do, than so be it.
We all have seen it time and time again, a warranty claim for a bricked phone. We drove them to doing this. And, there will be a developer phone.
I will miss all the flashing I use to do. Even stock, this phone rocks. I dont think they are giving us the finger, I think they looking out for their best interests for the most part.
they should unlock it for us if we ask them and sig somthing saying if we **** it up then were ****ed and have to buy a new one. i have no proubs with that
Thanks for all the help on here guys. I loved my S4 but it was time to upgrade. Even though I have been stuck on Samsung phones for years, I decided to switch to the Nexus 6. With carriers locking everything down I figured I might as well. I'm extremely happy with this device so far.
And thanks Muniz_ri, you made my time with the S4 bearable.
dankhar said:
Thanks for all the help on here guys. I loved my S4 but it was time to upgrade. Even though I have been stuck on Samsung phones for years, I decided to switch to the Nexus 6. With carriers locking everything down I figured I might as well. I'm extremely happy with this device so far.
And thanks Muniz_ri, you made my time with the S4 bearable.
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AT&T is the one that locks bootloaders on Samsung!!!! NOT Samsung...
Reread what I said. "With CARRIERS locking everything down." Never said Samsung was doing it. I was just saying I've always used a Samsung phone, but since they are all being locked on my current carrier I switched to the Nexus.
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AT&T is the one that locks bootloaders on Samsung!!!! NOT Samsung...
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AT&T had to get Samsung's approval to modify the bootloaders to lock them, so Samsung was complicit in it, they could have easily said no.
They make the most popular phone on earth, I doubt AT&T or Verizon would have stopped carrying them and have their customers buy them elsewhere if they were threatening to drop the phone from their plans.
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AT&T had to get Samsung's approval to modify the bootloaders to lock them, so Samsung was complicit in it, they could have easily said no.
They make the most popular phone on earth, I doubt AT&T or Verizon would have stopped carrying them and have their customers buy them elsewhere if they were threatening to drop the phone from their plans.
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Does AT&T lock them on all their phones??? Think I have read that T-Mobile did not lock their Samsung phones, not sure on others at T-Mobile.
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Does AT&T lock them on all their phones??? Think I have read that T-Mobile did not lock their Samsung phones, not sure on others at T-Mobile.
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I believe so, yes. AT&T has been on the record as stating that they refuse to support any phone with a non-locked bootloader (though, I have no idea where they stand on the new Nexus 6, which I don't believe has one and they do carry).
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AT&T is the one that locks bootloaders on Samsung!!!! NOT Samsung...
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That doesn't stop HTC from providing unlockable bootloaders on the M7/M8. They allow you to unlock your bootloader in exchange for your warranty, even on AT&T,but Samsung doesn't. I think LG will start unlocking bootloaders soon as well.
If I could afford it or should I say the wife wouldn't pitch a fit I think the Nexus 6 would be my choice as well. I have been on T-Mobile for over 10 years but got the AT&T S4 for free or I wouldn't be in this locked mess.
Yeah. So far I have been using the Nexus since I made this post. Unlocking and rooting were easy and I love 5.0.1. It was a big change from Samsung's S4 having no real buttons and such. But so far I have no complaints. Not gonna lie it did take a few days yo adjust to it. Still glad I made this switch though. I may use a Samsung device again someday, but if I do I would have to go the Developer route.
You know you could just get a T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S4 or S5 since it has no locked bootloader and then SIM unlock it to work on AT&T.
I got lucky with my Galaxy S4, as it came with the MDL firmware. As soon as I realized it, I froze all the OTA crap so I can take advantage of the LOKI exploit and install Clockwork mod recovery.
Yep without the loki exploit, I dont think gs4 is worth it... I dont safestrap.
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You know you could just get a T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S4 or S5 since it has no locked bootloader and then SIM unlock it to work on AT&T.
I got lucky with my Galaxy S4, as it came with the MDL firmware. As soon as I realized it, I froze all the OTA crap so I can take advantage of the LOKI exploit and install Clockwork mod recovery.
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Heard they use different LTE freq. Cannot say for sure.
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Heard they use different LTE freq. Cannot say for sure.
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They use the exact same LTE bands.
TMobile:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SGH-M919ZWATMB-specs
AT&T:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SGH-I337ZWAATT-specs
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Maybe Samsung will listen. It's worth the 10 seconds it takes to click sign.
href: https://www.change.org/p/dr-unlock-samsung-galaxy-s8-s8-bootloader-snapdragon-variants
nm1557 said:
Sign Here
Maybe Samsung will listen. It's worth the 10 seconds it takes to click sign.
href: https://www.change.org/p/dr-unlock-samsung-galaxy-s8-s8-bootloader-snapdragon-variants
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Samsung doesnt care if it is unlockable or not, see, the exynos variant can be freely unlocked.
It's the us carriers that ***** about unlocked bootloaders nothing more.
And you paid for a piece of hardware that is known for being locked down, nothing hidden.
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Samsung doesnt care if it is unlockable or not, see, the exynos variant can be freely unlocked.
It's the us carriers that ***** about unlocked bootloaders nothing more.
And you paid for a piece of hardware that is known for being locked down, nothing hidden.
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What is your point? It's not like they sell equivalent locked and unlocked versions in the us (no, the 950f is not equivalent as it does not work on ~half the us carriers).
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What is your point? It's not like they sell equivalent locked and unlocked versions in the us (no, the 950f is not equivalent as it does not work on ~half the us carriers).
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Its not samsung that wants the bootloader locked its the carriers in the usa so your petition is adressed to the wrong company.
Exynos variant doesnt work in the usa because it was never meant for this market.
Snapdragon and exynos are equivalent
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Its not samsung that wants the bootloader locked its the carriers in the usa so your petition is adressed to the wrong company.
Exynos variant doesnt work in the usa because it was never meant for this market.
Snapdragon and exynos are equivalent
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First of all, it's not my petition I didn't make it or sign it lol. Exynos and snapdragon do not have equivalent radios the need for CDMA in the us is the whole reason the soc is different.
My comment was in response to your "you knowingly blah blah blah" comment, as it's irrelevant given there isn't an equivalent unlocked alternative.
Okay everyone. I purchased the UNLOCKED variant. So what carrier is keeping my boot-loader locked?
Spoiler; no-carrier. Samsung is keeping it locked.
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Okay everyone. I purchased the UNLOCKED variant. So what carrier is keeping my boot-loader locked?
Spoiler; no-carrier. Samsung is keeping it locked.
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If samsung made an unlockable bootloader for the non carrier version of the snapdragon s8 then you could just flash that unlockable bootloader to an lets say verizon s8 and defeat the whole bootloader locking story., that's why every SD835 s8 is locked.
And you said you didn't create the petition but Lol you used the same nick from xda to create the petition, just stop being pathetic, i'm out
nikexv2 said:
If samsung made an unlockable bootloader for the non carrier version of the snapdragon s8 then you could just flash that unlockable bootloader to an lets say verizon s8 and defeat the whole bootloader locking story., that's why every SD835 s8 is locked.
And you said you didn't create the petition but Lol you used the same nick from xda to create the petition, just stop being pathetic, i'm out
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Ummmm no? I have no idea who made this thread, or the petition, or wtf you are even talking about. Whats "pathetic" are your supposed detective skills. Take another look at my "nick" (lol) and at the op and the petition one more time buddy. lol how stupid are you?
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Ummmm no? I have no idea who made this thread, or the petition, or wtf you are even talking about. Whats "pathetic" are your supposed detective skills. Take another look at my "nick" (lol) and at the op and the petition one more time buddy. lol how stupid are you?
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He wasn't talking to you, just thought I'd point that out, he quoted the OP.
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He wasn't talking to you, just thought I'd point that out, he quoted the OP.
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Sure, but when did OP claim they didn't make the petition, and who DID claim they didn't make the petition? I think the guy is all confused haha
This is not the way people should ask manufacturer for things like this.
Only way to get anything done is to find connection in big Android news web sites, tell them to publish poll 'Would you buy next Samsung flagship if it will have locked bootloader?' and then put all this people on FIRE there!
And of course, if they persist, people should persist too.
Simple as that.
I too, will vote with my wallet when choosing my next phone and tablet. If Samsung doesn't leave me a real option for unlocked bootloader, I will spend my money elsewhere.
Just to mention here the Chinese version which is a snapdragon variant has a unlockable boot loader. The US variants don't, the question is why would Samsung do this, if not requested by a carrier otherwise every single snapdragon variant would be locked but they're not.
What about 950/955W? All Canadian phones are carries-unlocked and yet Samsung keeps the BL locked. No reason whatsoever. Definitely will go with a different brand once my S8+ gets old.
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Just to mention here the Chinese version which is a snapdragon variant has a unlockable boot loader. The US variants don't, the question is why would Samsung do this, if not requested by a carrier otherwise every single snapdragon variant would be locked but they're not.
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True unfortunately they have different radios too
Dam my samsung order is on its way, and just found out about this... Someone is canceling the order now.
Carriers can opt-in or out, that's the smart way to do it for Samsung
Please add Snapdragon Note 8 to the petition title, and you will get more signatures; also, please share this on the S8+, and Note 8 XDA pages too--if you add the Snapdragon Note 8, of course. Carriers can opt-in or out, that's the smart way to do it for Samsung. For example, besides the US Snapdragon S8+, my other phone is a T-Mobile OEM unlocked Motorola Moto Z2 Force. T-Mobile and Sprint allow Lenovo to OEM unlock the Moto Z2 Force, while Verizon and AT&T do not allow it. Samsung cannot blame carriers, because some carriers obviously allow OEM unlock for a different phone that has the exact same CPU/chipset as the aforementioned Samsung (i.e., Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 mobile platform). Samsung has no valid excuse and cannot shift blame to carriers, but why should they? They can save money off of voided warranties via allowing OEM unlock, and give owners what they want at the same time!
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Please add Snapdragon Note 8 to the petition title, and you will get more signatures; also, please share this on the S8+, and Note 8 XDA pages too--if you add the Snapdragon Note 8, of course. Carriers can opt-in or out, that's the smart way to do it for Samsung. For example, besides the US Snapdragon S8+, my other phone is a T-Mobile OEM unlocked Motorola Moto Z2 Force. T-Mobile and Sprint allow Lenovo to OEM unlock the Moto Z2 Force, while Verizon and AT&T do not allow it. Samsung cannot blame carriers, because some carriers obviously allow OEM unlock for a different phone that has the exact same CPU/chipset as the aforementioned Samsung (i.e., Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 mobile platform). Samsung has no valid excuse and cannot shift blame to carriers, but why should they? They can save money off of voided warranties via allowing OEM unlock, and give owners what they want at the same time!
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These kind of petitions go nowhere. They've been tried become and go to a deaf ear. The modding community is way too small compared to the rest of the world
Whether you get a carrier version or the factory unlocked U1 model, OEM unlock does not exist on this phone. So those in the US that were thinking of doing custom roms with this cheap new Android device, look elsewhere.
Samsung has blocked their bootloaders on U.S. phone variants for years now. The only way to unlock is with paid service unfortunately.
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Samsung has blocked their bootloaders on U.S. phone variants for years now. The only way to unlock is with paid service unfortunately.
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What service are you referring to? I'd love to unlock mine.
Jay1175 said:
What service are you referring to? I'd love to unlock mine.
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Well, it was located here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/sampwnd-usa-model-bl-unlock-info-u-u1-w.4201689/
But I guess it's temporarily closed until the person in charge returns. Usually it's not worth it for lower end phones since the unlock process can end up costing just as much as the phone tbh.
on some devices it takes 7 days for the oem unlock to show in developer options, have you tried the time and date hack to see if it shows
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on some devices it takes 7 days for the oem unlock to show in developer options, have you tried the time and date hack to see if it shows
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This does not work on U.S. variants
SamPWNd is dead. Samsung patched it with firmware updates in 2021 (it is in the warnings not to install unpatched firware updates). The website is down. Unless they can find a new exploit in the new firmware, it is not possible.
Samsung has blocked BL unlock for a while. They seem to have shifted their target audience to a different group in recent years. If you really want BL unlock you should pick Pixel.
b1283822 said:
SamPWNd is dead. Samsung patched it with firmware updates in 2021 (it is in the warnings not to install unpatched firware updates). The website is down. Unless they can find a new exploit in the new firmware, it is not possible.
Samsung has blocked BL unlock for a while. They seem to have shifted their target audience to a different group in recent years. If you really want BL unlock you should pick Pixel.
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it doesnt make sense from a business perspective, a regular audience doesnt even know about unlocking a bootloader, so they will be buying the phone regardless if samsungs advertising impress more than the competition, but for us lets say "power users" we know our warranty is void when we oem unlock, and buy making it easier to do it (oem unlock), they are more likely to shift more handsets to our side of the market, not only that but there is more chance of us breaking our devices which in turn gives them more income when we seek samsung official repairs or splash out on a new replacement, i really dont see the logic behind not allowing oem unlock unless its to test the abilities of the likes of chainfire in regards to exposing vulnerabilities
I bought the phone on sale just a few days before this thread was made (hoping to use it as a fun side-project / second phone to get back into modding- haven't been able to since my Note 5 since the Note 8 was locked). I had assumed getting a non-carrier one would be open but I haven't been able to get OEM Unlock to appear either : /. I even went with the A53 instead of A52 because I thought there was a better chance of having unlock on Exynos than Snapdragon. It's not too late to return but I'm still holding out hope someone can come up with something. I like Samsung hardware (for the most part) but without root... meh.
Willing to try ODINing tars and stuff if anyone has any ideas.
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I bought the phone on sale just a few days before this thread was made (hoping to use it as a fun side-project / second phone to get back into modding- haven't been able to since my Note 5 since the Note 8 was locked). I had assumed getting a non-carrier one would be open but I haven't been able to get OEM Unlock to appear either : /. I even went with the A53 instead of A52 because I thought there was a better chance of having unlock on Exynos than Snapdragon. It's not too late to return but I'm still holding out hope someone can come up with something. I like Samsung hardware (for the most part) but without root... meh.
Willing to try ODINing tars and stuff if anyone has any ideas.
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Exploits could take years to even begin to surface. S8 and S9 come to mind, but their root is so limited with locked bootloaders that it's almost not worth the hassle. I would return it to be honest or try and get an international variant imported. I've traveled to the U.S. with a Mexico variant phone and I got signal just fine, but I don't know how the internet speed compares if you use a U.S. SIM.
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I bought the phone on sale just a few days before this thread was made (hoping to use it as a fun side-project / second phone to get back into modding- haven't been able to since my Note 5 since the Note 8 was locked). I had assumed getting a non-carrier one would be open but I haven't been able to get OEM Unlock to appear either : /. I even went with the A53 instead of A52 because I thought there was a better chance of having unlock on Exynos than Snapdragon. It's not too late to return but I'm still holding out hope someone can come up with something. I like Samsung hardware (for the most part) but without root... meh.
Willing to try ODINing tars and stuff if anyone has any ideas.
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I switched over from Pixel line just for a Samsung specific feature and a quick google had me certain I would be able to unlock the bootloader and root it. It sucks that its not the case, but I blame awful tech journalism. So many articles that claim their method will work for ALL devices in a family, or even ALL ANDROID devices period.
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Exploits could take years to even begin to surface. S8 and S9 come to mind, but their root is so limited with locked bootloaders that it's almost not worth the hassle. I would return it to be honest or try and get an international variant imported. I've traveled to the U.S. with a Mexico variant phone and I got signal just fine, but I don't know how the internet speed compares if you use a U.S. SIM.
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Getting an international version isn't worth doing IMO because the 5G bands don't overlap the same way 4G does. I looked in to getting an international model but decided against it as it doesn't support one of the three 5G frequencies used in my town. I figure there's 0 chance of new frequencies being added to the hardware, but always a chance of finding a security flaw to unlock the bootloader.
there are still U.S. Bootloader unlock services, but as of right now the A53 is not supported.
and only certain versions of bootloaders are supported.
Not SamPWND
Not long ago I bought this model of the S22 ultra and I wanted to know if it is possible that it can be rooted
No it cannot be rooted. The bootloader needs to be unlocked, and that is not possible to do either.
i dont understand on how come samsung always do this with new S series until next model comes out and a dev comes in understands that all the lights are shyning on the phone so it should be way esier to get around the OEM toogle missing from developers tab....i would be happy runninh simple but effects very strong to just be able to control whats running and wahts not,use shizuku for highger APis previleges,ice box is great to frezze in case you cant remove via ADB ,Nevo great as well,greniffy,etc....but come one someone find the solution to root the american vertion variant and ill pay whoever can do this favor,on any network in the US im on t-mobile....but willing to witch if is t-mobile the problem ill switch, its unlocked
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i dont understand on how come samsung always do this with new S series until next model comes out and a dev comes in understands that all the lights are shyning on the phone so it should be way esier to get around the OEM toogle missing from developers tab....i would be happy runninh simple but effects very strong to just be able to control whats running and wahts not,use shizuku for highger APis previleges,ice box is great to frezze in case you cant remove via ADB ,Nevo great as well,greniffy,etc....but come one someone find the solution to root the american vertion variant and ill pay whoever can do this favor,on any network in the US im on t-mobile....but willing to witch if is t-mobile the problem ill switch, its unlocked
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Why not switch to a pixel then? The issue isn't you or your phone the issue is Samsung deciding that what you paid for the phone wasn't enough to allow you to do what you want to a device you supposedly own.. The response you received here is disappointing. I dont own this phone but I was thinking about it until finding this out.
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Why not switch to a pixel then? The issue isn't you or your phone the issue is Samsung deciding that what you paid for the phone wasn't enough to allow you to do what you want to a device you supposedly own.. The response you received here is disappointing. I dont own this phone but I was thinking about it until finding this out.
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My phone is full paid, network unlocked but still no OEM toogle for unlock the bootloader
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Why not switch to a pixel then? The issue isn't you or your phone the issue is Samsung deciding that what you paid for the phone wasn't enough to allow you to do what you want to a device you supposedly own.. The response you received here is disappointing. I dont own this phone but I was thinking about it until finding this out.
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So you can buy a Pixel in the US on any carrier with an unlockable bootloader?
I live in the UK and don't buy new phones very often and have a Samsung S4 mini, S7 and S9 which I still use.
The S4 mini came with an unlocked bootloader out of the box, so no toggle needed in dev options. The S7 and S9 have the toggle.
Regarding the S4 mini, I read a post from 2019 that stated Verizon and AT&T were the only US carriers that locked the bootloader, so I don't know what is going on
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My phone is full paid, network unlocked but still no OEM toogle for unlock the bootloader
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Qualcomm is the one to blame. You need an exynos version to unlock BL
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Qualcomm is the one to blame. You need an exynos version to unlock BL
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Well I've seen some threads about this, but mine is a snapdragon so far i have been searching and hoping that with the s23 series maybe someone would have a answer for the issue
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Qualcomm is the one to blame. You need an exynos version to unlock BL
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Not true. The non-US Snap Dragon variants are rootable. Qualcomm had nothing to do with the bootloader being locked down. That was because North American (primarily US) carriers required it.
Samsung's US and Canadian Snapdragon phones do not allow unlocks regardless if the phone was bought from a carrier or not.
Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_unlocking#
I honestly didn't realize that was even a thing. No surprise. We don't own our devices Any more. The 1000+ dollars you pay for a phone is just to use it. I've been using an iphone as my primary device since early 2018 which is how I didn't realize this bootloader f#ckery.
Putting on my tinfoil cap: do the US carriers collude with the government to put some type of backdoor in the stock OS that you just won't find in a custom roms source code?
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Putting on my tinfoil cap: do the US carriers collude with the government to put some type of backdoor in the stock OS that you just won't find in a custom roms source code?
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Ummm... Go ahead and take off that tinfoil hat and read the 4th, 5th, and 14th Amendments. You should also cut back on the Dan Brown books.