What are your preferred values for the screen? This is honestly probably the most disappointing screen of any of the phones I've owned, so I'm really hoping I can make it look a bit better
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What are your preferred values for the screen? This is honestly probably the most disappointing screen of any of the phones I've owned, so I'm really hoping I can make it look a bit better
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The best thing to make it look good is to increase saturation, but you have to install kernel with kcal.
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The best thing to make it look good is to increase saturation, but you have to install kernel with kcal.
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unfortunately I cannot root or do anything else with this piece of crap phone other than use it as a doorstop
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Why are you saying this? Your bootloader unlock says no?
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Yeah..
That is the major thing for sure. First phone I've owned in years that I could not root or do anything with (ironically the other being an xperia z).
I'll never buy another sony phone
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Well it's just that you've been a bit unlucky, or maybe the carrier added this limitation, as I've owned a z and now I have a Z5 and both are UB.... In fact most of Sony phones are unlockable...
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No other phone from the same carrier could not be rooted, thus I still blame sony.
I've owned every other brand.
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No other phone from the same carrier could not be rooted, thus I still blame sony.
I've owned every other brand.
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As @androidexpert35 said, this is a carrier issue. Just because you bought a Sony phone with a locked bootloader does not mean it's Sony's fault, it's the carrier's fault because they are the ones requiring Sony to lock the bootloader. Try purchasing any other phone with a locked bootloader and on Android 6 or 7, you will have a tough time rooting as well.
Take the Samsung Galaxy S4 with a locked bootloader, with the initial firmware that came out, there was a way to bypass the bootloader, but that was patched with a subsequent update and no bootloader bypass has been found in the last 3.5 years. There have been ways to root it over time, but this was because of vulnerabilities in Android, not something that Samsung allowed. As these vulnerabilities were patched, the phone became harder and harder to root. Currently the phone is still rootable because it's been left to languish on Android 5.0.
So I guess the point of all this is, don't buy a phone with a locked bootloader. All manufacturers (Sony included) sell phones with unlockable bootloaders, it is the carrier that requires specific versions of phones to have locked bootloaders. And with the progression of Android, unless you are able to unlock the bootloader it will become increasingly harder to root no matter what phone you buy.
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As @androidexpert35 said, this is a carrier issue. Just because you bought a Sony phone with a locked bootloader does not mean it's Sony's fault, it's the carrier's fault because they are the ones requiring Sony to lock the bootloader. Try purchasing any other phone with a locked bootloader and on Android 6 or 7, you will have a tough time rooting as well.
Take the Samsung Galaxy S4 with a locked bootloader, with the initial firmware that came out, there was a way to bypass the bootloader, but that was patched with a subsequent update and no bootloader bypass has been found in the last 3.5 years. There have been ways to root it over time, but this was because of vulnerabilities in Android, not something that Samsung allowed. As these vulnerabilities were patched, the phone became harder and harder to root. Currently the phone is still rootable because it's been left to languish on Android 5.0.
So I guess the point of all this is, don't buy a phone with a locked bootloader. All manufacturers (Sony included) sell phones with unlockable bootloaders, it is the carrier that requires specific versions of phones to have locked bootloaders. And with the progression of Android, unless you are able to unlock the bootloader it will become increasingly harder to root no matter what phone you buy.
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I have owned several brands in the last year alone..
This is absolute bs from Sony apologists.
Not missing much anyway, the screen is one of the worst I've ever seen and the camera is an equal disappointment.
For the record, HTC is the only other brand with locked bootloaders and they purposely make it super easy to unlock
They won't be making phones much longer anyway I'm sure
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Apparently Samsung's getting ready to roll-out the announced N3 Knox improvements (consumer use vs. corporate device management) to the SGS4. One of the new Knox features allows device owners to prevent the wiping of the device in the event it's stolen. That's pretty cool. But apparently there are some pretty big security and permission changes that are being put in place to make it work based on a 9/4 SGS4 update Samsung pushed out. These are the changes from Chainfire the creator of SuperSU and Triangle Away.
SELinux enabled and set to "restrictive"
A more secure bootloader
A new warranty status indicator inside the bootloader
Inability to downgrade once the new bootloader's installed
What does it mean? The N3's locked down pretty tight and not at a carrier's direction. It's too early to say what the long-term impact will be but the devs are working on getting the flexibility that's gone back.
Follow this thread for more info...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2432100
Here's Chainfire's post on G+...
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Chainfire/posts/5ggu7naWtaW#+Chainfire/posts/5ggu7naWtaW
Yeah,Knox security and locked bootloader is probably going to be a major headache.
Hope there is a permanent solution for this, time will tell
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I hope someone is going to figure it out. Im stuck with Verizon so if i buy it i don't have the option to buy it unlocked. But I'm not going to knowingly buy a locked device and then whine and complain about not being able to unlock it. Not being unlocked could be a deal breaker for me.
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If thats true, then its a big blow to the dev community
i already preordered mine out of contract. This is really something that concerns me. Coming from the note 1 I really only care about the screen size/ quality/ camera/ and snapdragon 800. i got 15 days to return and this might be the reason why. I find flashing to be fun.(phones and self=) 21 days of pondering after being pretty dam sure on next phone.
Is Knox included by default for all N3? or is it just for business customers?
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Is Knox included by default for all N3? or is it just for business customers?
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I don't know for sure if Samsung has said one way or the other, but from a production standpoint, it would be easier to include it on all phones.
My main concern is that with a locked bootloader, adding a custom recovery is much more difficult. I prefer being able to create my own phone backups and use them as-needed. Android's stock recovery hasn't changed since at least the OG Droid, and therefore lacks this ability. Otherwise, my personal reasons for wanting to flash have significantly reduced since my first Android device.
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Not being unlocked could be a deal breaker for me. Sent from my XT926 using Tapatalk 4
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If thats true, then its a big blow to the dev community
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This is really something that concerns me. I find flashing to be fun.
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This is indeed a concern and could be a deal breaker for me too. As joverclock said, I too really enjoy tinkering with my phone and have missed the active development activities with my EVO 4G LTE that I enjoyed with the original EVO.
Dev Edition?
DCLocal said:
This is indeed a concern and could be a deal breaker for me too. As joverclock said, I too really enjoy tinkering with my phone and have missed the active development activities with my EVO 4G LTE that I enjoyed with the original EVO.
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Them ( CFO Shamwow VZW) selling phones at retail price locked is a joke. Full price I want to do whatever with the phone. vzw s4 seems pretty well locked on the MDK (latest) revision without the possib to odin downgrade.
Any rumors of a dev version ( unlocked bootloader ) in similar way with this?
Not unlocked no note 3 for me. I have preordered i605-note 2 and Adam Outler unlocked it in 7 days ( including ordering the phone). maybe he can help again.
Many thanks
Abe
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It's on my att S4
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Samsung KNOX & Find My Mobile
The new GALAXY Note 3 comes with enhanced privacy and security protection provided by Samsung KNOX. Users can activate Samsung KNOX with ease which allows them to run and store security-sensitive applications and data inside a protected execution environment called “container.” The security inside the container is strengthened by system-level protection of Samsung KNOX against malware and phishing attacks as well as hacking attempts on physical devices when devices are stolen or lost. For instance, important personal pictures or video can be stored in the container with no worries for data leakage due to hacking. In addition, users may choose to store enterprise applications and data such as corporate email, contacts and calendar and allow the IT department to manage the container through EAS (Exchange ActiveSync Server). These features make the GALAXY Note 3 an ideal device for BYOD (Bring-Your-Own-Device to work)
Furthermore, the GALAXY Note 3 is equipped with an improved Find My Mobile feature that allows users to disable the phone when it is stolen or lost. With the enhanced user authentication, the technology prevents stolen mobile phones from being reset to factory settings, and allows users to remotely track or erase the data from their lost or stolen mobile phones.
A user doesn't have to activate it but the hooks it needs and control over the bootloader it requires will be on every N3. The same hooks and bootloader changes were just pushed out to the SGS4 which is what has their forum up in arms. I'm guessing Knox was inert on consumer SGS4's originally because it required corporate device management s/w to enable it. Now that it's being aimed at consumers it's going to be on all Samsung's devices that can support it. The devs on the SGS4 forum are still trying to understand what the changes mean and how to work around them. It broke all Chainfire's apps (One Click Root, SuperSU, Triangle Away, Mobile Odin) so he's especially keen at addressing Knox's new "features."
Samsung had a big presence here at the Atlanta Airwatch Connect conference. They mention the new Knox capable hardware "burns in on hardware" when it is rooted and cannot be undone.
I'm not enough of a techie to ask them more specifics about how they accomplish this. But thought I would pass it on here so someone smarter than I can valid this claim.
I might just cancel my preorder if this is true.
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jetjock said:
Samsung had a big presence here at the Atlanta Airwatch Connect conference. They mention the new Knox capable hardware "burns in on hardware" when it is rooted and cannot be undone.
I'm not enough of a techie to ask them more specifics about how they accomplish this. But thought I would pass it on here so someone smarter than I can valid this claim.
I might just cancel my preorder if this is true.
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Yes if this is true I will be getting back form 739 from best buy and giving it to someone else.
We have been lucky with the s4 here in canada..non locked bootloader. The last at&t ota locked theirs down and they have root but thats all.now it seems the international devices are being locked down also.
I hope the CAN version of the N3 continues the no lock trend but I kind of doubt it. I planned or pre ordering but I think ill wait and see first.
I refuse to spend $800 on a device and not be able to do what I want with it.
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Samsung is gonna be hurting if they shy away the regular Joe consumer to try and get enterprise customers. I would think consumers outnumber enterprise people but even if not true, Samsung won't get all thebeneterprise with apple, Microsoft and blackberry in the running also. I am hoping for an unlocked USA LTE band compatible with unlocked bootloader. My next phone needs to hold me until 64bit chips makebwaves on android and I think the note3 can do that in the meantime. The note2 probably could but I am smartphone techno nerd and the note 2 will be ancient history to me if I owned it more than 15 months.
Just thought I'd let you all know:
I have the new MH8 firmware on my S4 that has the new locked bootloader and Knox security.
I had no trouble rooting it, installing CWM Recovery and flashing CM10.2. All works fine.
The downside is that once you're on this new bootloader you cannot downgrade stock firmware using Odin.
That's the only limitation I've come across.
I can still flash any custom ROM, any custom Kernel and any custom recovery
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Samsung is gonna be hurting if they shy away the regular Joe consumer to try and get enterprise customers. I would think consumers outnumber enterprise people but even if not true, Samsung won't get all thebeneterprise with apple, Microsoft and blackberry in the running also. I am hoping for an unlocked USA LTE band compatible with unlocked bootloader. My next phone needs to hold me until 64bit chips makebwaves on android and I think the note3 can do that in the meantime. The note2 probably could but I am smartphone techno nerd and the note 2 will be ancient history to me if I owned it more than 15 months.
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XDA looks at Knox's impact to customization and shivers. The masses look at it as a safe and unique place to store their porn and a way of increasing the chances of getting their lost/stolen device back. We're 5% of the market and the masses are 95%. Samsung losing 5% of their sales is about equal to all the devices HTC will sell in 2013. We're opinion leaders and early adopters but we're not indispensable.
P.S. - I'm not agreeing with what Samsung's doing so please don't shoot the messenger.
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XDA looks at Knox's impact to customization and shivers. The masses look at it as a safe and unique place to store their porn and a way of increasing the chances of getting their lost/stolen device back. We're 5% of the market and the masses are 95%. Samsung losing 5% of their sales is about equal to all the devices HTC will sell in 2013. We're opinion leaders and early adopters but we're not indispensable.
P.S. - I'm not agreeing with what Samsung's doing so please don't shoot the messenger.
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I'm sure the 5% are capable to influence another 30% of the masses not to buy Note 3
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when will we know its locked? how long does it take for hackers/devs to find out that it can be unlocked..?
still not sure if i should pull the trigger for the pre order.. im assuming its a 50/50 chance because if i get it now and it can be unlocked and later they update it and it ships with that new update ill be bum and locked out on the fun
i need my root.. dont like ads/crapware
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when will we know its locked? how long does it take for hackers/devs to find out that it can be unlocked..?
still not sure if i should pull the trigger for the pre order.. im assuming its a 50/50 chance because if i get it now and it can be unlocked and later they update it and it ships with that new update ill be bum and locked out on the fun
i need my root.. dont like ads/crapware
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I just realized how much I use Root lol, def gonna need that at a min if I want to switch
Why is this forum for the G4 so dead? Because it's new and not able to root yet?
Yeah, it was a little early to split the forums. Things'll liven up when root is available.
Plus it seems the bootloader is still locked.
not dead, am hoping it just hasn't come to life yet.
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lol not dead
Who knows, but #10!
I'd say pretty dead. Might we be about to miss our "window" for having a heavily supported device?
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I'd say pretty dead. Might we be about to miss our "window" for having a heavily supported device?
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Possibly. There's still a chance if the pro or nexus 5 is somewhat compatible.
I think I'm giving up on anything but nexus devices in the future. It's obvious the carriers don't care about security or usability.
With the recent security issues I need a phone that I own completely.
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Possibly. There's still a chance if the pro or nexus 5 is somewhat compatible.
I think I'm giving up on anything but nexus devices in the future. It's obvious the carriers don't care about security or usability.
With the recent security issues I need a phone that I own completely.
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You said it bub. I really didn't care whether I bought the M9, S6 or G4 and bought the G4 due reading that the Snapdragon was easier to dev on (so, no S6) and the 810 ran too hot (so, no M9). I pre-ordered at the first possible opportunity with the expectation of seeing a mass amount of custom ROMs and kernels in a couple months.
Performance has been fine, but obviously, the phone being so locked down is a total buzzkill. I'll never buy another non-Nexus device before it's broken wide open by our awesome dev community.
I'm coming from another ATT phone, the galaxy s5 active and I've always wished the bootloader was unlocked because custom roms look great. There was a big bounty for that phone to get the bootloader unlocked but it never happened. I consider the G4 to be more in the spotlight so I assume devs will be more focused on it. The I know the TMO is already unlocked but that wasn't because of any hard work by devs from my understanding. What is the likelihood that we will see a bootloader unlock on the other variants?
there's a chance. for the G3, dev's figured out how to trick the stock bootloader into thinking custom roms/recovery..etc were legitimate LG/AT&T roms. who knows if this will happen with the G4 though
there's always a better chance with flagships as they get the most dev support. You could always get the international g4 h815 where the bootloader is unlockable through LG. Hopefully they will add support for US models as HTC has
I have read that lg does not have plans to unlock this bootloader. It's all on developers hands.
This phone is so sick.. But I have to admit I'm pretty let down on the bootloader situation... Even if we were just able to get some debloated, optimized roms id be happy AF... I still have hope tho.. But I also see the community falling apart and hardly any activity. Devs will probably move on to the new nexus....
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I think once the next LG flagship comes out, an unlocking method will be released that most likely will work on all. Devs wouldn't want to waste an exploit that LG could then patch on the new device. Kill two birds with one stone type of thing. Just my thoughts.
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I agree with inflatedTitan. My only con with the G4 is the lack of ability to root and rom the phone. I loved doing that with my previous devices.
I've only had the OG Droid and Nexus phones since so I'm a bit unfamiliar with non-Nexus devices.
I wanted to ask a few questions in one place.
In order
f I buy a carrier unlocked version (US) of the S7, is the bootloader unlocked/unlockable such that I could install TWRP?
Is there typically an AOSP rom available for the Galaxy S phones? (Such that Xposed + Gravitybox is a viable option)
If I do unlock the bootloader and install an AOSP rom, from what I heard there's a counter that gets tripped. (Knox?). Exactly how much of the waranty does that void if any?
I've heard that the RGB LED behaves differently under Touchwiz, is that strictly a software issue such that if I were using an AOSP based ROM, it would behave how I'm familiar from say the original Nexus 5?
(I'm currently still on my Nexus 5 and my hardware requirements for upgrading is RGB LED light + SD Card slot, so provided I can do what I want software-wise, this phone is looking like the winner)
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Be careful with this one. Carrier unlocked != unlocked bootloader. You can SIM unlock an AT&T phone for example, but the bootloader will remain locked severely limiting it's "modability". You didn't say who your carrier was, but for us GSM folks, best bet is an unlocked international version or a T-Mobile phone (typically come with unlocked bootloader).
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[*]Is there typically an AOSP rom available for the Galaxy S phones? (Such that Xposed + Gravitybox is a viable option)
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Yes and no. Previous generations have had a lot of developer support. The S6, OTOH, with it's proprietary Exynos chipset, has received a very luke-warm reception. Heck, currently my 3 year old $80 MotoG has a more functional version of CM13 than any of the S6 variants! With the US versions of the S7 sporting the SD820 chipset, I'd think this phone will get a boatload of developer support (but I make no guarantees).
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[*]If I do unlock the bootloader and install an AOSP rom, from what I heard there's a counter that gets tripped. (Knox?). Exactly how much of the waranty does that void if any?
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Not always/entirely true. For example, there's a method to flash a custom rom on the locked down AT&T S6 that does not trip KNOX. That said, ROM options without tripping KNOX are very limited and usually lag significantly so many people just go ahead and trip it without giving it much thought. You may or may not void warranty, and will likely loose some proprietary functionality (Samsung Pay), but being able to "tinker" is well worth it.
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[*]I've heard that the RGB LED behaves differently under Touchwiz, is that strictly a software issue such that if I were using an AOSP based ROM, it would behave how I'm familiar from say the original Nexus 5?
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Yes, the RGB LED issues are software related and there are many options to address them (including Xposed modules that work with TW roms).
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(I'm currently still on my Nexus 5 and my hardware requirements for upgrading is RGB LED light + SD Card slot, so provided I can do what I want software-wise, this phone is looking like the winner)
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The S7 has a lot going for it. However, coming from a GED, you might want to wait a few months to see if the developer community does indeed embrace the new device before jumping on the bandwagon though...
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Be careful with this one. Carrier unlocked != unlocked bootloader. You can SIM unlock an AT&T phone for example, but the bootloader will remain locked severely limiting it's "modability". You didn't say who your carrier was, but for us GSM folks, best bet is an unlocked international version or a T-Mobile phone (typically come with unlocked bootloader).
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I know the difference. International doesn't have snapdragon or is that strictly the EU one with the Exynos chipset? I know AT&T and Verizon will never have the bootloader unlocked. I'm asking about a fully paid T-Mobile one or if I get a generic one somehow.
Yes and no. Previous generations have had a lot of developer support. The S6, OTOH, with it's proprietary Exynos chipset, has received a very luke-warm reception. Heck, currently my 3 year old $80 MotoG has a more functional version of CM13 than any of the S6 variants! With the US versions of the S7 sporting the SD820 chipset, I'd think this phone will get a boatload of developer support (but I make no guarantees).
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Are the international and the EU version separate phones? If so, then I'll probably get International and end up with the Snapdragon one, but if they're on in the same, I'd not go for that. I know how little support Exynos ends up with.
Not always/entirely true. For example, there's a method to flash a custom rom on the locked down AT&T S6 that does not trip KNOX. That said, ROM options without tripping KNOX are very limited and usually lag significantly so many people just go ahead and trip it without giving it much thought. You may or may not void warranty, and will likely loose some proprietary functionality (Samsung Pay), but being able to "tinker" is well worth it.
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A custom rom wouldn't include TWRP which would be useless to me then. Since I'd want a custom recovery as well, I'd be tripping Knox unless there's some new exploit. Specifically in the US, what do you lose if you trip the Knox counter?
Yes, the RGB LED issues are software related and there are many options to address them (including Xposed modules that work with TW roms).
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If it's pure software, then that's perfect. I would only use an AOSP or AOSP based ROM anyway. I can't stand Touchwiz when I have to help relatives with their phone, so if the issues are limited to TW based ROMs, I'd never run into them.
The S7 has a lot going for it. However, coming from a GED, you might want to wait a few months to see if the developer community does indeed embrace the new device before jumping on the bandwagon though...
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Probably a good idea anyway. I've discounted this phone up until yesterday as I was told that it would have active display in lieu of an RGB LED which is strict 100% deal breaker for me. (huge storage could possibly make up for lack of SD Card support, but lack of LED = no go).
I'll wait it out then, as I can probably also get a good deal if I wait a bit.
For those who are not aware, Nokia 8 has it and it's a great read:
https://www.xda-developers.com/how-...ess-updates-affect-custom-development-on-xda/
really an important read for a device that has a locked bootloader with no way to unlock it and zero community development...
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really an important read for a device that has a locked bootloader with no way to unlock it and zero community development...
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I dont agree with you about no way to unlock. The way is not free but it exists. Zero community development is because of small number of unlocked devices. This number is grows up not so fast as it wished but it is a question of time.
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I dont agree with you about no way to unlock. The way is not free but it exists. Zero community development is because of small number of unlocked devices. This number is grows up not so fast as it wished but it is a question of time.
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So there is a way without giving your imei and money to a shady dude on the internets, even though you already payed for the device and own it? No? Then there is no way. Period.
its just 5 dollars!!!
bootloader unlocked
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So there is a way without giving your imei and money to a shady dude on the internets, even though you already payed for the device and own it? No? Then there is no way. Period.
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Oh the eternal discussion on locked bootloader...
I do really own my device, physical and software wise, luckily for me I had it unlocked for free but had I not had the chance to be one of the 200 people that got it from the test the "shady dude" here in XDA, I would definitely pay the $5 to grab it!
There's not much development for this device, in my own humble opinion, because this is a fairly new brand(HMD), resurfacing from an era before the smartphones of today(Nokia/Symbian), NOT just because of the factory locked bootloader!
Btw, you can get similar devices for a lot less money with unlocked everything!
There's a way to do it, it's up to you only to decide what's worth your coins!
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Oh the eternal discussion on locked bootloader...
I do really own my device, physical and software wise, luckily for me I had it unlocked for free but had I not had the chance to be one of the 200 people that got it from the test the "shady dude" here in XDA, I would definitely pay the $5 to grab it!
There's not much development for this device, in my own humble opinion, because this is a fairly new brand(HMD), resurfacing from an era before the smartphones of today(Nokia/Symbian), NOT just because of the factory locked bootloader!
Btw, you can get similar devices for a lot less money with unlocked everything!
There's a way to do it, it's up to you only to decide what's worth your coins!
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wait now, what are you saying there about symbian? you gonna start ****ting on maemo next? symbian belle still works way better than any android device, nokia 808 is still the best cameraphone and maemo is way more capable than anything available on the market today.
and honestly what similar devices, havent seen other snapdragon 835 devices for 300EUR, so id honestly like to know which devices are you talking about as im seriously considering switching
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wait now, what are you saying there about symbian? you gonna start ****ting on maemo next? symbian belle still works way better than any android device, nokia 808 is still the best cameraphone and maemo is way more capable than anything available on the market today.
and honestly what similar devices, havent seen other snapdragon 835 devices for 300EUR, so id honestly like to know which devices are you talking about as im seriously considering switching
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@grimyhr I think you didn't get my point at all..
Fyi I had all these Nokia phones:
Older Technology:
2160 (TDMA, first Nokia I got)
6120 (TDMA) and 6180 (CDMA)
6225i (CDMA)
GSM Dumbphones:
1100 (First phone with a flashlight!)
Asha 202
GSM Symbian:
3210 (first GSM handset)
6600 (first Symbian I had back in the day)
6800 (hated that split keyboard)
5200 xpress music
Practical GSM Smartphones:
E62 and E61i (both still in use as SIP phones for their wifi and great battery stand-by time)
N97 (Still in use today as an in-car Bluetooth player(32gb internal+ 32gb on SDcard :silly: ) and NDrive when Waze on Android goes haywire w/o data connection)
N810 Internet Tablet (still in use as the media/streaming player paired to a Bluetooth speaker for BBQ and it is the only Maemo device I ever used)
All of that trouble I had compiling that list may show how I appreciate Nokia's phones and that was a dive into the past!
Nowadays people don't know how cumbersome was to handle and install apps and ringtones (lol) on their phones, but since then it all got easier (big thanks to XDA Developers!)
I meant to say that HMD/Nokia is a new brand on Android Phones. We all know how awesome Symbian was but the Nokia/Windows Mobile phones tossed all that into the trash in my opinion (Sorry WinMo supporters). We know Nokia/WinMo had great camera/media capabilities and awesome Nokia build strength but they were definitely not good app-wise.
As @kosmatyj noted, there is a small base of owners with the new HMD/Nokia brand devices and even less with their devices unlocked. That may change when the manufacturer releases their official way to unlock our phones or when someone releases a tool or tutorial in DIY fashion (check this: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=57752632&postcount=1). While neither of those things immediately solve our problem, the last resort is just a $5 bill.
Regarding your question over similar devices, I meant similar in processing power, not the exact type of CPU. I have the UMIDIGI Z Pro that has a ****ty stock rom, but with root and xposed I have it exactly for what I need at 1/3 of the price I've paid on my Nokia 8 TA-1004 in my country.
dbpm1 said:
Oh the eternal discussion on locked bootloader...
There's a way to do it, it's up to you only to decide what's worth your coins!
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Paying or not paying, you will never know if its reliable. When it is a method and open here on xda there would be respect and also enough users for donations.
But it isn't.
Probably the manufacturer has something to hide or there is a leak of info howto unlock. That is also unreliable.
No Nokia for me....
NLBeev said:
Paying or not paying, you will never know if its reliable. When it is a method and open here on xda there would be respect and also enough users for donations.
But it isn't.
Probably the manufacturer has something to hide or there is a leak of info howto unlock. That is also unreliable.
No Nokia for me....
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Probably they are hiding something, like tracking what the user does on his device. Twice after the activation of the phone I got a popup asking questions, no detectable (at the time) app related.
Definitely there is leaked info on ways to unlock! People are making money of it
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Definitely there is leaked info on ways to unlock! People are making money of it
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Yes, and those people are gathering imei numbers !
Unlocking is now free and official.