I have a question. What should the moto g (none gpe) partition format be ?
I know data should be f2fs, but what about system ? My system was set to ext4 as was my cache partition. I heard f2fs is faster than ext4 so changed my system to f2fs.
Motorola decided to make only data (userdata) as f2fs, and system is ext4.
Prerequisites:
You need to be on the 10.6.1.14.10 bootloader
You need to know how to flash a recovery
Some background reading on f2fs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F2FS
Step 1:
Backup all your data off the tablet because it will get wiped!!
Step 2:
Install a recovery that supports conversion to the f2fs file system
You can use the official TWRP 2.8.x from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/tra...overy-kang-twrp-tf700t-2-8-x-xarea51-t3049395
Do not use TWRP 2.8.5 - it has a bug with the f2fs conversion - or 2.8.6 for that matter. It has another bug: won't reboot to anything from recovery...
For Transformer users I would highly recommend to install @lj50036 TWRP Kang version from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/tra...overy-kang-twrp-tf700t-2-8-x-xarea51-t3049395
His Kang TWRP allows you to format/convert/backup external partitions or entire cards which will come in very handy for data2sd or rom2sd users.
It even supports the dock SD!
Step 3
Flash your chosen recovery in fastboot and reboot.
Optional but recommened
Since you are at it anyway I would recommend you format your /data partition before you convert to f2fs. The TWRP build-in "Format data" option does a "a secure erase" which trims and wipes every single block. A great way to start with a fresh and clean data partition. This process takes time - could be upwards of 60 minutes - do not interrupt it!!! You find the option under the Wipe menu
Step 4:
Enter TWRP, choose Wipe > Advanced Wipe
To Convert INTERNAL /data to f2fs
Check the box for "data"
Tap "change or repair file system"
Tap "Change file system"
Tap "F2FS"
Swipe the button
DATA2SD/ROM2SD users only:
To Convert EXTERNAL /data to f2fs (with lj's Kang TWRP TF700T only - official TWRP does not support this)
Check the box for Ext/data
Proceed as above
Step 5
Go back to TWRP Home screen, and reflash your ROM - which you have stored somewhere you did NOT wipe with the preceding steps!! Like: your microSD
Notes:
With /data on f2fs you need to run your ROM with a kernel that supports that file system. Read the OP of your ROM thread
Convert ONLY /data to f2fs. Do NOT convert /system (or anything else for that matter)
If you forma /data back to ext4 for any reason it will take up to 90 minutes. Do not interrupt it!!!
DATA2SD/ROM2SD ONLY
If you have the official TWRP installed and do not want to flash lj's Kang TWRP, you can - as always - use the data2sd1.zip/rom2sd1zip to have TWRP act on your external partitions.
MINE ......
Cool!
berndblb said:
Convert EXTERNAL /data to f2fs (lj's Kang TWRP TF700T only)
Check the box for Ext/data
Proceed as above
5. Step
Go back to TWRP Home screen, and reflash your ROM - which you have stored somewhere you did NOT wipe with the preceding steps!!
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Convert EXTERNAL /data to f2fs
-- > ??? Is this a folder or a partition as stated in " post #2 Using GParted to setup a micro SD for ROM2SD or DATA2SD support"
reflash your ROM - which you have stored somewhere you did NOT wipe with the preceding steps!!
--> ??? It must be on external, I presume?
Where could it be located? If on external i suppose it is on:
--> ??? 14. FAT 32 : Size 16GB – this will be /dev/sdc1 in gparted and will be your sdcard for storage in Android
eRPeeX said:
Convert EXTERNAL /data to f2fs
-- > ??? Is this a folder or a partition as stated in " post #2 Using GParted to setup a micro SD for ROM2SD or DATA2SD support"
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It's the second partition if you are running data2sd/rom2sd
data2sd:
1. partition fat32 = your microSD storage
2. partition f2fs (or ext4) = /data
rom2sd
1. partition fat32 = microSD storage
2. partition f2fs or ext4 = /data
3. partition ext4 = /system
[*]reflash your ROM - which you have stored somewhere you did NOT wipe with the preceding steps!!
--> ??? It must be on external, I presume?
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The fat32 partition on the microSD (or just plain microSD if you don't run data2sd/rom2sd) is probably the safest place, yes.
Where could it be located? If on external i suppose it is on:
--> ??? 14. FAT 32 : Size 16GB – this will be /dev/sdc1 in gparted and will be your sdcard for storage in Android
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Yes
berndblb said:
It's the second partition if you are running data2sd/rom2sd
data2sd:
1. partition fat32 = your microSD storage
2. partition f2fs (or ext4) = /data
rom2sd
1. partition fat32 = microSD storage
2. partition f2fs or ext4 = /data
3. partition ext4 = /system
The fat32 partition on the microSD (or just plain microSD if you don't run data2sd/rom2sd) is probably the safest place, yes.
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So for f2fs you always need a Gparted formatted SD.
f2fs only on internal /Data is not possible?
Sure it is. Read step 4
I just only converted Internal /data to f2fs.
Flashed beta 4.
Seems to be possible to have f2fs only on internal.
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f2fs only on internal /Data is not possible?
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berndblb said:
Sure it is. Read step 4
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eRPeeX said:
I just only converted Internal /data to f2fs.
Flashed beta 4.
Seems to be possible to have f2fs only on internal.
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Where does it say you can't????????????????
Edit: Ahhh! I see where your thinking went off track. You thought you had to convert both internal and external data for f2fs to work, right?
Nope - external data only concerns data2sd/rom2sd users. Edited OP to make that clear - I hope.
berndblb said:
Where does it say you can't????????????????
Edit: Ahhh! I see where your thinking went off track. You thought you had to convert both internal and external data for f2fs to work, right?
Nope - external data only concerns data2sd/rom2sd users. Edited OP to make that clear - I hope.
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Yes, you could read my mind.
Just thought I'd share my experience, in case someone else makes the same mistake I did ...
I put the card into my computer and ran gparted to create the partitions. I fiddled with it for a while, resizing partitions while trying to decide how much space to allocate to each and what format to use for /data. I ended up with what graphically looked like the right layout:
I---sdcard---II--------------data--------------II---system---I
The rom2sd install seemed to go fine (Crombi-kk at the time). However I couldn't get it to boot.
Turns out in my fiddling I managed to get the second two partition table entries switched - partition 1 was fine, partition 2 pointed to the rightmost block graphically, parition 3 pointed to the middle block. I don't really know whether it was the installer or TWRP that got confused, or if it installed ok but the boot got confused.
In any case, deleting the partitions and re-creating them in order worked.
I have Zombi-X on a TF700T. I picked the F2FS option during install but didn't realize I had to have the /data partition formatted to F2FS first. So I'd like to minimize my update time. Can you tell me if this is how to proceed?
I have TWRP 2.8.4.0 already installed,
When you say backup data do you mean do a TWRP backup of the system/data/boot or just the /data section?
Or do you mean copy files to an SD card or PC?
I would then do the "optional" format of the /data partition using the existing data format ext4.
Then choose Wipe > Advanced Wipe
Check the box for "data"
Tap "change or repair file system"
Tap "Change file system"
Tap "F2FS"
Swipe the button
"Go back to TWRP Home screen, and reflash your ROM"
Do I have to do this? I don't want to change anything, the original install had F2FS enabled?
If I do have to do it, do you mean TWRP "restore" the ROM backup (system/boot/data) or actually TWRP
"install" the ROM zip file?
Then I would TWRP "restore" the /data backup and the tablet would work like it did before the reformat or would I have to reinstall apps, photos etc.?
Thanks for your help.
The easiest would be if you nandroid system/boot/data to your microSD. You gotta have it off internal storage. Nothing in internal /data will survive a format.
Then do the formatting and convert to f2fs
Restore your nandroid
You may get a warning from TWRP that the nandroid is off a different file system but you can safely ignore it.
Now, I do not quite remember where in Aroma the f2fs option was, but I think it's on that page about data journaling... So I'm not sure what selecting that option in Aroma actually does and if it gets implemented when the preinit script finds an ext4 partition instead.
But you can try it. Just restore the nandroid, pay attention during boot and read the script under the penguins.
If then your nandroid doesn't run as expected, reflash the rom with the same options, then restore only data from the nandroid you made earlier (during restore just uncheck boot and system). That also would give you an identical installation to what you have now.
berndblb said:
The easiest would be if you nandroid system/boot/data to your microSD. You gotta have it off internal storage. Nothing in internal /data will survive a format.
Then do the formatting and convert to f2fs
Restore your nandroid
You may get a warning from TWRP that the nandroid is off a different file system but you can safely ignore it.
Now, I do not quite remember where in Aroma the f2fs option was, but I think it's on that page about data journaling... So I'm not sure what selecting that option in Aroma actually does and if it gets implemented when the preinit script finds an ext4 partition instead.
But you can try it. Just restore the nandroid, pay attention during boot and read the script under the penguins.
If then your nandroid doesn't run as expected, reflash the rom with the same options, then restore only data from the nandroid you made earlier (during restore just uncheck boot and system). That also would give you an identical installation to what you have now.
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Perfect, thanks. I will let you know my results. Might be a few days away.
IIRC the option is to turn on/off data journaling (one or two "l"s?) on ext2/3/4 partitions, with a final option of "f2fs user" where journalling is unnecessary. But it will not automatically format to f2fs in any case.
Hello. Yesterday I rebuilt my TF700 from the ground up. My intent was to get to Zombi-Rom with data2sd, to get a performant system. Here's what I did:
- started with twrp 2.8.6.x and Zombi-Rom beta 6, internal data, nice but laggy
- created two partitions on my samsung class 10 microSD card using gparted: 1. FAT32 at approx 4GB, 2. F2FS at approx 24GB
- flashed lj's kang twrp 2.8.6.1 recovery to replace 'standard' twrp 2.8.6.x
- formatted internal data using the kang twrp to f2fs (but it only took a second?) (I think this step was unnecessary, I meant to go to data2sd...)
- i *think* i formatted the new f2fs partition on the ext sdcard again using kang twrp, but don't recall. Rem: it was formatted f2fs by gparted already...I may have assumed I didn't need to do it again.
- flashed Zombi-Pop Android 5.1 beta 6, choosing the only kernel which has _that in the name
-- choosing f2fs
-- choosging data2sd (the ultimate goal of the exercise - get rid of TF700's awful lags/freezes)
-- choosing overclock (said it was required since _that kernel is selected)
-- choosing rest of default options
However I find performance is worse? I am sure I have done something wrong.
I have no data to protect or worry about tryig to restore. Before I do it all over again, do the steps above look correct, or am I making a mistake somewhere?
Thanks in advance.
Some people - me among them - have reported that data2sd doesn't work that well with ZOMBi-POP anymore. I do not get any performance improvement out of it with the same card that did well on other roms.
Could also be just your specific card - hard to tell.
I see no mistakes in your procedure but did you at any point do the secure erase the "Format Data" option provides? Read the "Optional but recommended" section in the OP.
Try different kernels. I like the Omni kernel best so far.
So my advice is: format internal data, then convert it to f2fs again, flash the rom with the omni kernel and all tweaks.
My TF700 runs very well with those options but it's still slower than my TF701 or my HTC M8 (there's actually no comparison to the latter..) and it always will be.
This is a what - almost 3 year old device now. These roms improve it by 300% but nothing will turn the TF700 into a smooth-as-silk-under-any-circumstances device....
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Some people - me among them - have reported that data2sd doesn't work that well with ZOMBi-POP anymore. I do not get any performance improvement out of it with the same card that did well on other roms.
Could also be just your specific card - hard to tell.
I see no mistakes in your procedure but did you at any point do the secure erase the "Format Data" option provides? Read the "Optional but recommended" section in the OP.
Try different kernels. I like the Omni kernel best so far.
So my advice is: format internal data, then convert it to f2fs again, flash the rom with the omni kernel and all tweaks.
My TF700 runs very well with those options but it's still slower than my TF701 or my HTC M8 (there's actually no comparison to the latter..) and it always will be.
This is a what - almost 3 year old device now. These roms improve it by 300% but nothing will turn the TF700 into a smooth-as-silk-under-any-circumstances device....
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Same here Bernd - I see no improvements with data2sd anymore on zombi-pop.
I think we got internal running as sweet as can be
Bernd and dags,
thanks for the input, and again for all the great work to get it running the way you and your teammates have. Wish I had your know-how. At any rate I re-built it as originally posted and it's now working well. Backed that up and am trying it on internal today.
One more, maybe trivial question - the version of Nova Launcher says 'mod'. I can't install any other wallpaper with it. (I use Nova all the time, never seen this before.) Do you know if there something in the mod that makes it the default zombi-rom wallpaper or nothing?
I own a Motorola DROID TURBO (XT1254) with unlocked bootloader and the Stock ROM /data and /cache partitions are in f2fs filesystem and /system is in ext4 filesystem and I have some doubts and questions:
1. Some Custom ROM's like LineageOS on this device can be installed with /data and /cache partitions formatted in ext4 and f2fs, In your daily Stock or Custom ROM in which filesystem are formated the /data, /cache and /system partitions?
2. I read that the f2fs filesystem are used by Motorola on Stock ROM's due to notable higher write speeds (this helped to the Nexus 7 2012 owners, because has eMMC bug) but has more chances of data corruption (in some devices exists the garbage collection problem), and ext4 is more reliable for data and has higher read speeds. What are you experience with ex4 and f2fs filesystems on Android? and in Moto Maxx/DROID TURBO, which is better for you?
3. Apart for Motorola, Samsung create the f2fs filesystem but not use it in their devices, Huawei uses f2fs filesystem since Android 7.0 Nougat/EMUI 5.0, OnePlus tried it on OnePlus 3/3T, but in OnePlus 5/5T switched back to ext4. Google says "F2FS isn’t supported for the internal storage as it doesn’t support inline hardware encryption", and Android 7.0 Nougat and higher supports Direct Boot and file-based encryption but only in ext4 filesystem. A website says that the Motorola Moto Z (an other Motorola device) are faster than Google Pixel (XL?), because the Moto Z uses f2fs filesystem.
4. It would be good to share the used filesystem in your phone and in which ROM uses this filesystem.
Note: Can you check partitions filesystem with Diskinfo app or TWRP in Wipe> Choose partition> Repair or change filesystem
This information and questions apply for all Moto Maxx/DROID TURBO owners (XT1225, XT1250, XT1254)
I like to know your opinions about the ext4 and f2fs filesystems for Moto Maxx/DROID TURBO
In case of necessity, I post it also in DROID TURBO sub-forum
No one replied here?
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This was very hotly debated three years ago, in late 2014 and early 2015 -- mostly dealing with the XT1225. You can probably dig up old threads over in the Droid Turbo forum where it was discussed. (We were all in one forum back then. It was the "All Quark" forum.) The forums were split in September 2015, but some of the threads never got moved. Droid Turbo finally got bootloader unlock in November 2015, thanks to Sunshine, but by then the topic was no longer being discussed.
There was some reason why the topic was dropped and everyone just went with the default system. Maybe didn't work well with TWRP backups or something about encrypting? Also, there was false low storage warnings. I don't remember. I just remember it was too much hassle so everyone didn't bother.
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This was very hotly debated three years ago, in late 2014 and early 2015 -- mostly dealing with the XT1225. You can probably dig up old threads over in the Droid Turbo forum where it was discussed. (We were all in one forum back then. It was the "All Quark" forum.) The forums were split in September 2015, but some of the threads never got moved. Droid Turbo finally got bootloader unlock in November 2015, thanks to Sunshine, but by then the topic was no longer being discussed.
There was some reason why the topic was dropped and everyone just went with the default system. Maybe didn't work well with TWRP backups or something about encrypting? Also, there was false low storage warnings. I don't remember. I just remember it was too much hassle so everyone didn't bother.
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The DROID TURBO I own have unlocked bootloader thanks to Sunshine (is a little expensive, but is worth it), I asking about ext4 or f2fs as filesystem for /data partition, the DROID TURBO Stock ROM is the /data partition formatted as f2fs, but the majority of Android devices the /data partition is formatted as ext4 and some questions and comparation between both filesystems for /data partition
Three questions: ¿The /data partition of your phone is formatted now as ext4 or f2fs?, ¿The encryption is working on both filesystems or only one (ext4 or f2fs)? and ¿Your phone is in the Stock ROM formatted the /data partition as ext4 or f2fs?
I published this in DROID TURBO forum, but no one replied here.
lat94084 said:
The DROID TURBO I own have unlocked bootloader thanks to Sunshine (is a little expensive, but is worth it), I asking about ext4 or f2fs as filesystem for /data partition, the DROID TURBO Stock ROM is the /data partition formatted as f2fs, but the majority of Android devices the /data partition is formatted as ext4 and some questions and comparation between both filesystems for /data partition
Three questions: ¿The /data partition of your phone is formatted now as ext4 or f2fs?, ¿The encryption is working on both filesystems or only one (ext4 or f2fs)? and ¿Your phone is in the Stock ROM formatted the /data partition as ext4 or f2fs?
I published this in DROID TURBO forum, but no one replied here.
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I don't use encryption on mine or my wife's phone. My phone is formatted however TWRP formatted it. @bhb27 our official TWRP dev and who maintains two popular ROMs recommends f2fs.
[RECOVERY][OFFICIAL TWRP 3.1.1][For all Quark][Moto Maxx/Turbo and Droid Turbo]
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=62363432&postcount=2
[QUOTE @bhb27]The format of data partition is different, in 4.4.4 is ext4 and 5.x.x is f2fs.
I have restore more then 100 times in my test, in some i end-up in a "bad/bug ROM" and it happens when flash 4.4.4 over 5.0.2 or vice versa, in the most bad one the device lost response of the touch screen even in the recovery, the bug was simply resolved by restoring to stock via fastboot using files from a stock XML rom. In others bug's android boot after boot i try to unlock to use and it reset, and stay in that loop, boot try to unlock reset, i try to wipe everything but system and did not work, in all those case partition format of data was wrong.
TWRP will backup the partition exactly how it is, If the backup is EXT4 and the Data partition of the device is f2fs TWRP will restore the data and will not change the format.
That may cause a problem, so when restoring to a different OS version advanced wipe the partition and change the format.
To do that click Wipe>advanced Wipe> select Data> click on Repair or change File System>change File System>
For Kitkat android 4.4.4 choose EXT4
For lollipop android 5.x.x choose F2FS
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This will not affect custom ROM, but i recommend to use f2fs.[/QUOTE]
In conclusion /data formatted as f2fs is better for Moto Maxx/DROID TURBO than ext4. I asking because only some Android devices use /data partition as f2fs because the majority is formatted as ext4. In Nougat custom ROM'S is f2fs better? And ChazzMatt your phone is formatted the /data partition as f2fs or ext4?