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I think that the update/ota has not been pushed out yet. We are all just lab rats to test this update floating around XDA, so that when the update is pushed out two or three weeks from now, they can fix what we complain about until then. What do you all think?
Here is a link to Google forums I started about the sick color of the screen.
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=26fa0683976754c4&hl=en
jalyn02 said:
I think that the update/ota has not been pushed out yet. We are all just lab rats to test this update floating around XDA, so that when the update is pushed out two or three weeks from now, they can fix what we complain about until then. What do you all think?
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Google has not posted links to OTA's historically - so I don't see where that factors in.
I think you can take the fact that Google announced it was rolling out and that end user devices are receiving it (not just google employees and media units) to be a pretty good sign that it's the final OTA. As well as the fact that there are several upgrade paths provided.
On the Nexus One several "leaked" OTAs were available but they only went to google employees and media devices and provided only 1 upgrade path, from the base T-Mo version - and then only incremental upgrades for each version thereafter. The AT&T rev was left out in the cold until the final OTA at which point an OTA package was made available for every build to the final (including the leaked OTAs).
This isn't to say they won't release something in the coming weeks if they feel there are some real issues with the OTA, but given the way they've done OTAs in the past, this looks to be the OTA for 2.3.3
jalyn02 said:
I think that the update/ota has not been pushed out yet. We are all just lab rats to test this update floating around XDA, so that when the update is pushed out two or three weeks from now, they can fix what we complain about until then. What do you all think?
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I think this thread is unnecessary and you just like to complain.
There is a new link out now.so there are 3 different updates out floating around in forum
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Well that's your opinion. here's my opinion, I have had 6 unlocked android phones and each of them had issues the Vibrant/Nuxus One/Nexus S/Evo 4G/Mytouch 3G/T-Mobile G2...Did i mention that the only one that ever rebooted on me in important phone calls was the Nexus S. I'm sorry if I can't hold my breath anymore,I guess i'm not the only one because you just trolled/flamed 2 of my threads.
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I think this thread is unnecessary and you just like to complain.
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There is a new link out now.so there are 3 different updates out floating around in forum
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whats the difference between them?
If that is the case, you bought a dev phone. Why would you be suprised?
Well, dev phones should not be sold to the public, and not sold for almost 600 big one's.
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If that is the case, you bought a dev phone. Why would you be suprised?
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Well, dev phones should not be sold to the public, and not sold for almost 600 big one's.
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you had the choice,you chosen the nexus S.
google didnt force you!
every phone has isue's
doesn't matter what OS is on it.
so live with it.
and get 2.3.3!! it got fixed okey?
people like you are getting really irritating for advance nexus user's
accept the pakage you bought.
they didnt force you.
I am a nexus s owner and i am happy that the update has fixed my issues with the phone not being able to make calls for the first month i had it, i love the device and am relieved i got to keep it,
I do however find the comment above wholy unjustified, rude and ignorant!
Never once have i seen this branded as "the dev phone" the only place ive seen that mentioned is ...well ...on xda the DEVELOPER forum.
I love the phone, i love this site, but are retarded unempathic rants at people who have clearly been mis-sold a device not to their preference actually appropriate? i think not!
Lovely device, sooooo glad i didnt have to take it back (i spent the first month thinking i may have to do just that).
Now try be a little more kind to people that have bought a handset they expected to act as one from the start. there is no mention of dev or test phone on tha packaging so i am sure trading standards would side with the customer with problems rather than some jumped up little dev who thinks he knows best (that let's down all them lovely kind and considerate dev's in the proccess).
Rant over sorry (really hate seeing people be so obnocious)
Loving this lil device
1- OTA updater has been broken for six days, now (it started on Monday). This is completely unacceptable, given that this is the ONLY way to get updates from them officially. What if you got the item from Tiger Direct in the last week at $299, and have build 2963 on it? If you didn't go to XDA and fix this manually yourself, you'd be SOOL.
2- The last official firmware was in mid January. We are going on three months since the last stock update. We know there was a UAT that was significantly better than the one in January, but it was never released (and eventually pulled from the TapnTap servers) with a "TBD" for the new ETA.
I'm going to very blunt, and I hope that Viewsonic is reading this. I'm very disappointed in how this is all going down, ESPECIALLY given that you've had a big bump in user numbers in the last two weeks or so. You and I both know this, and yet you can't seem to get your act together, here.
I'm not your developer - you are not paying me, or XDA, to do your support work for you. And we certainly should not be the place to send users to get their stock updates - that's just ridiculous. Please get a meeting together with TapnTap, or whoever you need to, early next week and get them to fix these issues, please. If I were running the show over there, I'd have them on the phone a week ago asking for an ETA ASAP, and updating that web site with details on what's going on and when it will be fixed. Seriously, your web site still talks about the December firmware release (the one, btw, that the poor Tiger Direct users haven't been able to even get, since Monday) - are your web developers asleep over there?
If it wasn't for the user base here in XDA, my device would have probably been wiped and cleaned up right about now, and I would have put this thing up for sale. I actually know at least one dev here in XDA who's already done this. And, as time goes on, I'll be more inclined to do this if you've made the decision to completely abandon this device. Because, to be blunt, this is the perception that I'm starting to get, as the days drag on with no resolution.
I'm not asking for Honeycomb - I just want you to get your current problems fixed and at least get that 1.2 dev branch released. I know you have an account here, so maybe a reply to this thread would set all our minds at ease.
Thank you.
4/11/2011 EDIT -- agree with me and want your voice heard?
twitter: @viewsonic
contact us page: http://www.viewsonic.com/contact/
Phone Number: 866-501-6405 / 310-228-4000. (thanks snapz54 and chili_red!)
4/12/2011 EDIT -- OTA updater is still borked, as of this writing. And the next firmware update, as per their web site, is now "anticipated" in May.
4/13/2011 EDIT -- Even more details on who you can contact (thanks snapz54!): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12843221&postcount=189 The OTA Updater is still down, but should be up tomorrow (allegedly).
4/14/2011 EDIT -- OTA updater is up, finally. Showing "3588" as the latest, so no new update (this was not a surprise).
4/15/2011 EDIT -- I think it's time to change the title of this post.
6/22/2011 EDIT -- Thread is still alive? 4349 was pulled in mid-April, still no word on an update from them 2 months later. 3588 (from January) is still technically their "latest", as per the OTA updater. I am actually beyone aggravated, I am apathetic at this point.
I am going to return mine soon too, even at 299.99 , lack support = nth
Op why did you post this in the dev section
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roebeet
+1 from Russia
roebeet said:
1- OTA updater has been broken for six days, now (it started on Monday). This is completely unacceptable, given that this is the ONLY way to get updates from them officially. What if you got the item from Tiger Direct in the last week at $299, and have build 2963 on it? If you didn't go to XDA and fix this manually yourself, you'd be SOOL.
2- The last official firmware was in mid January. We are going on three months since the last stock update. We know there was a UAT that was significantly better than the one in January, but it was never released (and eventually pulled from the TapnTap servers) with a "TBD" for the new ETA.
I'm going to very blunt, and I hope that Viewsonic is reading this. I'm very disappointed in how this is all going down, ESPECIALLY given that you've had a big bump in user numbers in the last two weeks or so. You and I both know this, and yet you can't seem to get your act together, here.
I'm not your developer - you are not paying me, or XDA, to do your support work for you. And we certainly should not be the place to send users to get their stock updates - that's just ridiculous. Please get a meeting together with TapnTap, or whoever you need to, early next week and get them to fix these issues, please. If I were running the show over there, I'd have them on the phone a week ago asking for an ETA ASAP, and updating that web site with details on what's going on and when it will be fixed. Seriously, your web site still talks about the December firmware release - are your web developers asleep over there?
If it wasn't for the user base here in XDA, my device would have probably been wiped and cleaned up right about now, and I would have put this thing up for sale. I actually know at least one dev here in XDA who's already done this. And, as time goes on, I'll be more inclined to do this if you've made the decision to completely abandon this device. Because, to be blunt, this is the perception that I'm starting to get, as the days drag on with no resolution.
I'm not asking for Honeycomb - I just want you to get your current problems fixed and at least get that 1.2 dev branch released. I know you have an account here, so maybe a reply to this thread would set all our minds at ease.
Thank you.
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This is an IMPORTANT post!! I think it should be voted to the front page. Viewsonic and for that matter all suppliers should have a commitment to their users/buyers. Our $$$$ is what support them and they should respect the user community. If they want to be selling more they should make what they have work!!!!
Please vote the post to first page, have them take note and take us seriously.
Thank you roebeet!!
roebeet
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I suppose if I wanted to keep it stock I'd be mad too, but I purchased this device specifically due to the hardware specs and the decent set of developers here at XDA.
My tab was rooted as soon as the battery was fully charged.
My Moto droid was rooted about a month into ownership and is currently running a gingerbread rom Moto claims the device can't handle (so we can go buy a new one).
What I'm trying to point out is that there is little incentive for companies to spend time and money supporting equipment that is out in the field unless somehing is seriously wrong with it.
Viewsonic's decision to cripple (lack of full market, etc...) the stock device is really similar to VZ's decision to do the same to their phones (bloatware, etc...).
My advice to you is follow the simple instructions posted here and elsewhere on the net and install a custom rom (vegantab 5.1 is a very nice place to start).
It is very difficult to screw up and your device will be all it can be months if not years sooner than it would be waiting for a stock upgrade.
Gumby,
Roebeet is a dev here. He's responsible for the TNT Lite and GADAM ROMs and was involved with Vegan as well. He's concerned about his ability to support us, not the performance of his tablet.
I believe the majority of modders are on TNT Lite because it is the most stable and well-supported ROM available. Viewsonic/TapnTap are making his job difficult. I'm guessing, but Viewsonic/TapnTap are probably stretched trying to deliver their next devices and have basically let GTablet development come to a screeching halt.
This is a shame and will probably cause many of us to look elsewhere for our next slate.
100 % Agree
Roebeet, thanks for bringing this up. I have been discussing this we others this past week. We were wondering exactly the same thing - Where is Viewsonic? They have not put out any updates or updated the website nor given us any information. I personally cannot understand this. They have a great product and could take the lead in the tablet market but are doing nothing.
Thanks for bringing this to everyones attention Roebeet. I am behind you 100%.
The fact it is on sale at woot and tigerdirect should be enough clues that viewsonic is moving dev resources away and probably to their next tablet product.
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We aren't waiting for stock updates, the updates just give the devs more goodies to work with.
thank you roebeet, for making it feel like this community has a voice. My other device is a Locked down droid X so I know the feeling of being abandoned and laughed at by the manufacturer of your product. All these companies get a little success, but they quickly forget where they came from. I don't see anyone rushing out to line up for a viewpad and maybe it will stay that way if we continue to voice our opinions and the truth about viewsonic.
I think these companies think they can operate on the standalone GPS model of update frequency, once a year. That is not the world we live in though. I'd say two years is fair support table with a firmware update a minimum of every six months and above all else, CONSTANT OPEN COMMUNICATION WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT DEVELOPS AROUND YOUR PRODUCT.
We will fall off gradually at first, then a bit quicker, then a bit quicker still until there is an avalanche of gtabs on ebay and craigslist. Selling at 40 dollars each and being repursposed and sold as digital frames to the housewives of the world.
You've been warned Viewsonic, this is a direct clear threat. Come to the community or lose your established base and hope for anything more than a bargain bin future.
Think of how many people would have returned this product day 1 without a community, seriously consider that, the number is high. If not for the selfless efforts of people like roebeet. With no where to go, the people give up hope.
So what is it going to be?
Thanks Roebeet, very well stated. They do need to get their **** together. We know right now the product isn't up to par with competition so if they want to compete it better be in the way of support. All we ask Viewsonic, is to keep us informed!
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Gumby,
Roebeet is a dev here. He's responsible for the TNT Lite and GADAM ROMs and was involved with Vegan as well. He's concerned about his ability to support us, not the performance of his tablet.
I believe the majority of modders are on TNT Lite because it is the most stable and well-supported ROM available. Viewsonic/TapnTap are making his job difficult. I'm guessing, but Viewsonic/TapnTap are probably stretched trying to deliver their next devices and have basically let GTablet development come to a screeching halt.
This is a shame and will probably cause many of us to look elsewhere for our next slate.
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Hmmm... didn't know he was a dev. Appologies, but the main points of my post are still valid (as you also noted in your speculation about their lack of support).
I guess I am wondering what they need to update that is holding up development of anything else? GB roms are out there now (and honeycomb ones won't be far off either) so what froyo fixes are showstopping?
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Hmmm... didn't know he was a dev. Appologies, but the main points of my post are still valid (as you also noted in your speculation about their lack of support).
I guess I am wondering what they need to update that is holding up development of anything else? GB roms are out there now (and honeycomb ones won't be far off either) so what froyo fixes are showstopping?
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dude, do you realize everything you say has no basis in fact? You are telling one of the guys that is our only hope of possibly running honeycomb on the gtab his own future. How do you know we'll get the source code? How do you know it will be usable? How do you know there will be a similar device we can port from? How do you know anything?
the simple answer is you don't. You seem to be arrogant and uneducated on the subject, so kindly back out of this conversation unless you have something relevant to add. You're stealing focus from an important topic.
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..... so what froyo fixes are showstopping?
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How about in sleep mode the gTab sucks up the battery like there's no tomorrow?
Hey Roebeet, I always thought it was SOL? But I do agree with you.
Exactly right, lets not lose focus... The scariest thing to me is that Robert is the originator of this thread. If he feels this way, then we may all be screwed as far as future support is concerned.
@Robeet -thanks for leading the charge and giving us a voice.
@Viewsonic. Please respond to this thread and keep an open dialogue with this community.
seems as if @roebeet got viewsonics attention on twitter?
any contact?
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dude, do you realize everything you say has no basis in fact? You are telling one of the guys that is our only hope of possibly running honeycomb on the gtab his own future. How do you know we'll get the source code? How do you know it will be usable? How do you know there will be a similar device we can port from? How do you know anything?
the simple answer is you don't. You seem to be arrogant and uneducated on the subject, so kindly back out of this conversation unless you have something relevant to add. You're stealing focus from an important topic.
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You are right... google COULD decide not to release any more source codes.
And you might decide to be less of a tool.
Neither seems very likely.
My bad on the location - I thought I was in General when I posted this.
If a mod could move this, I'd appreciate it.
doctorisin said:
Gumby,
Roebeet is a dev here. He's responsible for the TNT Lite and GADAM ROMs and was involved with Vegan as well. He's concerned about his ability to support us, not the performance of his tablet.
I believe the majority of modders are on TNT Lite because it is the most stable and well-supported ROM available. Viewsonic/TapnTap are making his job difficult. I'm guessing, but Viewsonic/TapnTap are probably stretched trying to deliver their next devices and have basically let GTablet development come to a screeching halt.
This is a shame and will probably cause many of us to look elsewhere for our next slate.
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You nailed it. TNT Lite is basically an extension of stock - it gets updated, in general, when stock gets updated. If Viewsonic development dies, then TNT Lite dies - it's that simple.
We need the vendor to keep on top with updates as there are things that they can do for us, even to this day. UAT 3991 build was a perfect example (before they pulled it) - it's a MUCH better baseline to work off of than 3389 / 3588.
I know many are using the GB mods, and those would survive even if the vendor abandoned the device. But TNT Lite and anything else based off stock would fall by the wayside, and we really don't want that. Options are a good thing.
I want a response from them tomorrow or Tuesday - I don't like how they are treating their userbase right now (which includes me, as I own one) and I think we deserve an explanation and an ETA, at this point. If this happened at my day job, heads would be rolling by now.
Here's an example of what I'm talking about -- Pandigital. Their "Novel" white device was released in May and they are STILL releasing updates to it, to this day. Granted, they are still stuck on Android 2.0, but the fact they they just released an update a few weeks ago is a good sign that they haven't abandoned the device, yet. This is what I'd like to see from Viewsonic.
Im_Gumby said:
Hmmm... didn't know he was a dev. Appologies, but the main points of my post are still valid (as you also noted in your speculation about their lack of support).
I guess I am wondering what they need to update that is holding up development of anything else? GB roms are out there now (and honeycomb ones won't be far off either) so what froyo fixes are showstopping?
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If you lose your XDA devs, then there IS no more development for this product. One dev here has already sold their device, and mine has been relegated as a dev unit since February (which I'm A-OK with, btw). If Viewsonic abandons this product, then the developers will eventually move on. In my case, stock updates are critical to keep TNT Lite relevant - once those are gone, TNT Lite will become stale and die. gADAM can stick around as long as Notion Ink supplies updates, and that remains to be seen as well. So don't think vendor support isn't important, because it actually is.
Well said, roebeet.
In my sadness of downgrading back to froyo, I asked HTC when their official release of gb would be out and got this email:
Dear Matthew,
Thank you Matthew for contacting HTC Technical Support. We are excited to announce that HTC Thunderbolt will receive the Gingerbread (Android 2.3) update in Summer 2011.
Our goal is to give every customer the best possible experience on every phone. Every HTC phone is a combination of a unique HTC hardware and software experience and a core operating system. We only update our phones if it will provide an overall improved user experience as we balance features, performance and usability. Stay tuned for details as we get closer to the update availability.
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Charles
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Unfortunately, Summer 2011 means anything between April and September.
why can't google make something like where you download os update separate from vendors? so you can update your phone to latest without bringing in useless vendor who only if something slows things down?!
thats what they said before the phone was launched, initially it was june, it might happen since we already had a leak that was pretty stable other than the radio and camera app, so keep your fingers crossed. I am thinking at the end of june.
Free wireless hotspot promo ends June 15 and VZW already said it would be disabled with an ota. Hopefully that will be our gingerbread also.
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why can't google make something like where you download os update separate from vendors? so you can update your phone to latest without bringing in useless vendor who only if something slows things down?!
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it could happen if google had a list of parts vendors are allowed to use. Everyone uses different cpu's, gps chips, wifi, and crap and that's why the os is so fragmented. If google had a set standard for hardware specs it wouldn't be so hard.
Android will always be fragmented, It doesn't mean how many companies sign up for the promised os updates for 18 months. This is one thing that is bad about android. My next phone will be google branded, atleast it has the best support possible.
Didn't they set up like a committee thing with all the companies to speed up the updating process?
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Didn't they set up like a committee thing with all the companies to speed up the updating process?
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Those same companies would also prefer that you purchase a new phone rather than have to support their existing ones.
Im not going to hold my breath waiting for Verizon. Maybe for a more stable leaked release.
If you're going to run with a rooted Bolt you're not going to care when Verizon releases the OTA because by the time they actually do it just about everyone in this forum will be running the leaked (& safe for rooted bolts) radios and ROM of some kind.
We'll also probably see the OTA weeks before VZW acutally pushes it (unless somehow jcase and company can't get their hands on a leaked version and make it safe for rooted phones before the OTA pushes...which I wouldn't bet money on.)
maybe it the start of OZ's summer, so that would make it like december.
Wonder where these leaks come from?
I am more excited about all ROMs moving to GB with stable base. The community ROMs work so much better than the vendor released for my taste.
Android 7.1.1 is about to roll out.
Source: http://www.phonearena.com/news/A-Mo...Nougat-via-a-processor-benchmark-test_id89372
Wow
Breaking news just in! Oh wait, there's another dozen or so new threads that have been created detailing the exact same thing. Why???
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Hopefully this is not being confused for the nexus 6 that's scheduled for Andy 7.1.1 in January
Be warned... this means NOTHING, it is just speculation based on a random benchmark result, this could be anything from a prankster editing build.prop to make a test LOOK like Nougat, to a custom ROM edited to look official in build.prop, or an actual Moto employee testing an alpha build and not paying attention to sharing it.
Either way, there has been no beta tested to MFN users, so we are at MINIMUM 45 days away from any roll-out... 30 days to MFN users then if that is good and there are no bugs then it is 7-30 days for the roll-out to begin which will take place over a couple weeks.
Not trying to be a downer here, but for the people who saw this and started writing articles on it, they are just being sensationalists... I really doubt we will see Nougat before the February-March time frame, if at all, I know Moto has said we will get it but I still have my doubts.
@acejavelin
If does come out by march, I truly hope xposed will be released before that for nougat.
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@acejavelin
If does come out by march, I truly hope xposed will be released before that for nougat.
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Again... Remember, it's if Xposed will ever come to Nougat, not when. Xposed is dying, it almost died last year with Marshmallow, it might come to Nougat or not, the more they keep tightening security in Android the less likely Xposed will be able to continue working, either way it will die soon.
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Again... Remember, it's if Xposed will ever come to Nougat, not when. Xposed is dying, it almost died last year with Marshmallow, it might come to Nougat or not, the more they keep tightening security in Android the less likely Xposed will be able to continue working, either way it will die soon.
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Wow. That will suck balls. Xposed is critical for me.
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Wow. That will suck balls. Xposed is critical for me.
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Xposed will die... It's not a question of if, but when... Last year about this time most of the Xposed team had given up and quit, calling the project dead due to Marshmallow's changes in security, but they caught a lucky break then to get it to work. That exploit has been closed in Nougat, and a new one hasn't been found yet.
Remember, Xposed at its heart is a hack and an exploit of Android vulnerabilities to get it to work, there is no doubt all those holes will be plugged, and they have been plugged already, it's only a matter of time.
Tough times with Xposed started with Lollipop but then it was just a minor inconvenience with a sign of things to come that has come true, I saw the end coming then and got out of Xposed before Marshmallow... I would suggest seeking out alternatives ways to due what Xposed does for you if possible.
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Again... Remember, it's if Xposed will ever come to Nougat, not when. Xposed is dying, it almost died last year with Marshmallow, it might come to Nougat or not, the more they keep tightening security in Android the less likely Xposed will be able to continue working, either way it will die soon.
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acejavelin said:
Xposed will die... It's not a question of if, but when... Last year about this time most of the Xposed team had given up and quit, calling the project dead due to Marshmallow's changes in security, but they caught a lucky break then to get it to work. That exploit has been closed in Nougat, and a new one hasn't been found yet.
Remember, Xposed at its heart is a hack and an exploit of Android vulnerabilities to get it to work, there is no doubt all those holes will be plugged, and they have been plugged already, it's only a matter of time.
Tough times with Xposed started with Lollipop but then it was just a minor inconvenience with a sign of things to come that has come true, I saw the end coming then and got out of Xposed before Marshmallow... I would suggest seeking out alternatives ways to due what Xposed does for you if possible.
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I can't really seek other options.
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Actually, almost everything on your list can be handled by a good ROM or isn't really needed (most of the battery savers have little effect at all in Marshmallow).
Then don't upgrade lol ^
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Mod ? why are you closing official Nougat-related threads ? Specially all of them have sources.
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Mod ? why are you closing official Nougat-related threads ? Specially all of them have sources.
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The only evidence is a benchmark of a moto running nougat. The threads that are closed all claim that the rollout has started, for which there is no evidence.
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Mod ? why are you closing official Nougat-related threads ? Specially all of them have sources.
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"Official"? We had an official Nougat thread? lol
They are being closed because people are treating it like an official update roll-out announcement, not a rumor, and spreading incorrect information is not what we do here. I support closing threads that say this the upgrade is pending because of bogus information, although a thread discussing this information for what it is is different.
All of these threads are based on articles that show a single benchmark from gfxbench.com, which is potentially unsafe (SSL cert is invalid), from here: https://gfxbench.com/resultdetails.jsp?resultid=kx63S1FEMA-T_xVFGkagmg (screenshot below). No where does it state Moto X Style or Pure, that is being derived from the listed CPU even though some of the other details seem off (could be how the software detects them though).
The whole jist of these rumors is based on this one line: Android 7.1.1 - Android Motorola Edition which is merely derived from the build.prop file information, you could make any ROM appear like that in a benchmark, or this is a test build used by some Moto employee who inadvertently shared it to the online site. There is no validity to this information or confirmation from ANY other source (all articles about an upgrade pending refer to this single piece of information, or another source that refers back to it)
We will know when a roll-out is about to occur, probably 60-90 days prior to it happening... first because some MFN registered users will get the beta to test with, 30-60 days prior to roll-out, assuming no issues/bugs are discovered, and no MFN user has even mentioned this yet, then Moto will update the release notes and software information a week or two prior on their website, and then the upgrade will begin a phased roll-out. The EARLIEST we can expect this is end of February, but most likely into March/April of next year, if it occurs at all (I have my doubts).
And yes, I am a little opinionated about this, and irritated with Lenovo... they have destroyed Moto as we knew it. If this was still Google's Motorola, we would be rocking a November-December security updated Nougat 7.1.1 already, especially seeings how the Moto X Pure was a favorite of Motorola employees (look in the official forums, most employees who mention they have a device have the MXPE)
I couldn't agree more with acejavelin here. Specifically, on the point that I'm unconvinced we'll ever see Nougat, despite Lenovorola's claims.
I can't whine too much, because the Lenovo acquisition had already been announced before I bought my MXPE. As I expected, they've totally ruined Motorola and their products will probably be extinct before too long. Moto Z is a joke. They probably know this and don't have a lot of incentive to keep their word on software updates for a last-gen device that wasn't even sold through carriers. I'd put our odds of seeing Nougat at 50-60%, and it will certainly be February at the earliest if it happens.
D.Spirit said:
Mod ? why are you closing official Nougat-related threads ? Specially all of them have sources.
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You having a laugh? Each one contains the same link to a single image. Nothing tangible whatsoever.
I'm not expecting much given the track record with Lenovo since their acquisition of the Moto line. But I'm keeping my hope up. The phone is still an awesome device all things considered. Battery was lacking but overall I have been pleased with it. Not getting the nougat update will not overly bother me, but it will solidify my future phone choices (and it will not be another Moto device).
acejavelin said:
"Official"? We had an official Nougat thread? lol
They are being closed because people are treating it like an official update roll-out announcement, not a rumor, and spreading incorrect information is not what we do here. I support closing threads that say this the upgrade is pending because of bogus information, although a thread discussing this information for what it is is different.
All of these threads are based on articles that show a single benchmark from gfxbench.com, which is potentially unsafe (SSL cert is invalid), from here: https://gfxbench.com/resultdetails.jsp?resultid=kx63S1FEMA-T_xVFGkagmg (screenshot below). No where does it state Moto X Style or Pure, that is being derived from the listed CPU even though some of the other details seem off (could be how the software detects them though).
The whole jist of these rumors is based on this one line: Android 7.1.1 - Android Motorola Edition which is merely derived from the build.prop file information, you could make any ROM appear like that in a benchmark, or this is a test build used by some Moto employee who inadvertently shared it to the online site. There is no validity to this information or confirmation from ANY other source (all articles about an upgrade pending refer to this single piece of information, or another source that refers back to it)
We will know when a roll-out is about to occur, probably 60-90 days prior to it happening... first because some MFN registered users will get the beta to test with, 30-60 days prior to roll-out, assuming no issues/bugs are discovered, and no MFN user has even mentioned this yet, then Moto will update the release notes and software information a week or two prior on their website, and then the upgrade will begin a phased roll-out. The EARLIEST we can expect this is end of February, but most likely into March/April of next year, if it occurs at all (I have my doubts).
And yes, I am a little opinionated about this, and irritated with Lenovo... they have destroyed Moto as we knew it. If this was still Google's Motorola, we would be rocking a November-December security updated Nougat 7.1.1 already, especially seeings how the Moto X Pure was a favorite of Motorola employees (look in the official forums, most employees who mention they have a device have the MXPE)
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Moto X Style Has qualcomm adreno 418 + It has 21MP camera and it is a flagship phone + its stuck on may patch till now
I guess they remembered now that they had a flagship phone for 2k15 and now they are taking some steps...
Probably i guess it may be true also...
Lets hope for early upgrade
Am i missing something here ? My moto x style has september sechrity patch. How come yours are at may ?
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With rumours of Treble support coming along with 8.1 that have been debunked by the actual updates, I couldn't help but wonder how plausible it even is that we'll be getting Treble-support on our devices? I know that the Pixel got it and some other devices that came with Nougat got it as well but I can appreciate the complexity of the situation. That being said, I wanted to start a discussion, trying to gain some knowledge by people who have a deeper understanding of how Treble works and how plausible this actually happening for us.
Also, if we were to stay on the a/b partition system without Treble support, how plausible would it be that Xiaomi keeps its promise to deliver Android P for the Mi A1? I get the feeling that it'll be more or less obligated to be able to upgrade.
This is not an attempt to complain about update frequency, I'm very content with the monthly updates and if updates stop I'm pretty sure custom ROMs will provide us with extended support. I'm just trying to get some more insight and I know that there are a lot of people on this forum who have a lot of knowledge to share about stuff like this.
The thing is that xiaomi will never care about this phone and i bet that mi a2 will have the same end. No Support. I think that xiaomi was not really ready to make an android one phone.
billis2020 said:
The thing is that xiaomi will never care about this phone and i bet that mi a2 will have the same end. No Support. I think that xiaomi was not really ready to make an android one phone.
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I don't really agree with that. We've gotten updates every month, we were one of the first to get Oreo, one of the first to get 8.1. If you look at the Android adoptions rates and the Android One project guidelines, objectively speaking, we really have nothing to complain about.
That aside, i wasn't looking for subjective comments on why Xiaomi "isn't doing a good job" but more for comments that can give me more knowledge on the questions I was asking.
How can people say xiaomi doesn't care about this phone? We've been getting updates consistently every 3rd week of every month and among the 3% of all phones in the world to actually have Oreo 8.1. Think about that for a moment....
Look at all the other OEMs, LG barely just updated it's almost 2 year old LG V20 to Oreo 8.0, not even 8 1 and it'll get stuck on oreo 8.0. They haven't given the V10 a single uodate for almost more than a year and y'all still complain about the Mi A1?
Also keep in mind that all OEMs will have bugs in initial releases of updates that eventually, are fixed in a timely manner.
Y'all seriously need to chill. If you want daily updates, go develop your own rom and stop complaining.
berezker said:
How can people say xiaomi doesn't care about this phone?
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people like to create drama, always.
I don't think they will add treble support for this device. But who knows!
Well I thought it was impossible because messing with the partition table could lead to bricked devices, but seeing the treble port and even Android P is kinda giving me hope we'll get it in some update (Android P perhaps, after it's release this or next month).
here's my opinion, Xiaomi is unlikely to give A1 a treble support, but constant update will be given to the phone, and as far as I can tell Xiaomi is trying their best to give the user a bug-free experience, I mean it's their first time giving a REAL stock android experience, heck A1 made them more popular... I think?
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here's my opinion, Xiaomi is unlikely to give A1 a treble support, but constant update will be given to the phone, and as far as I can tell Xiaomi is trying their best to give the user a bug-free experience, I mean it's their first time giving a REAL stock android experience, heck A1 made them more popular... I think?
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I have no doubts about the constant updates. They have been very consistent and monthly so they are doing a very good job at that.
I don't know if someone can give me a more technical explaination of how OTA Treble support would work and what the risks are, that would be nice. Also does anyone know what the requirements are when it comes to Android P? Will Treble be required to be able to upgrade?
I find a lot of info pointing out the dangers of moving from a/b to Treble but I can't seem to find any good ELI5 info that explains why
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How can people say xiaomi doesn't care about this phone? We've been getting updates consistently every 3rd week of every month and among the 3% of all phones in the world to actually have Oreo 8.1. Think about that for a moment....
Look at all the other OEMs, LG barely just updated it's almost 2 year old LG V20 to Oreo 8.0, not even 8 1 and it'll get stuck on oreo 8.0. They haven't given the V10 a single uodate for almost more than a year and y'all still complain about the Mi A1?
Also keep in mind that all OEMs will have bugs in initial releases of updates that eventually, are fixed in a timely manner.
Y'all seriously need to chill. If you want daily updates, go develop your own rom and stop complaining.
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I couldn't agree more, I open this thread trying to educate myself on Treble and Android P upgrading process and the very first comment is about how Xioami isn't doing a good job with the Mi A1
Mi A1 is an Android One device which should get an priority to having updates to the latest version asap as Google stated, so comparing Mi A1 with other device that out of the Android One Program is nonsense.
From the very first release of the device Mi A1 get poorly support from Xiaomi, which includes very late deploying source code that almost make the device developing community dies.
Actually the monthly update is just 'OK', everyone knows that we received new bugs on every update even with they have beta program to testing before deploy the stable release.
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Mi A1 is an Android One device which should get an priority to having updates to the latest version asap as Google stated, so comparing Mi A1 with other device that out of the Android One Program is nonsense.
From the very first release of the device Mi A1 get poorly support from Xiaomi, which includes very late deploying source code that almost make the device developing community dies.
Actually the monthly update is just 'OK', everyone knows that we received new bugs on every update even with they have beta program to testing before deploy the stable release.
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Thanks for your contribution, now all my questions are answered. Thanks!
Aside from the cynical remark to yet another pointless comment that's completely besides the questions I was asking I want to add that you people shouldn't hijack every thread that has the keyword "update" in it to start whining. I actually want to gather some knowledge and so far half of the comments are completely pointless. Here are some facts for you guys, please mess up someone else's thread, thanks.
Android adoption rates
Android One update guidelines
Let me try to be helpful here:
What do you mean by plausible? Plausible is a word for liberal arts, philosophy, literature and other abstract studies or fields. In development, engineering fields no such word is being used. So let us first replace that word, with another one that makes sense.
Is it possible? Yes, everything is.
Is it doable? Yes, it is.
Will Xiaomi ever do it? I can't say for sure since I'm not in anyway affiliated with the development team of Mi A1 updates, but my bet would be on "No".
Now let me explain my reasoning behind this.
To recreate the partition table required for project treble to work (separate system and vendor partitions basically) you need to format your phone. They can't just send an OTA that wipes people's phones. Xiaomi releases an update where the notification led does not blink and people lose their minds. Just imagine what would happen if they put a disclaimer on the OTA, that tells people to backup because the OTA update will wipe their phones for treble support re-partitioning. The majority of people wouldn't even read it and then flood the forums to cry about it (you are experiencing it in this very thread). People expect Google Pixel-like experience (even pixel has hardware and software issues every month) from a 150$ smartphone. You can't afford to do things like that as a company, when you know that your audience is going to publicly execute you, even when they are at fault. It is just not worth it.
There is a make-shift way to enable treble support without re-partitioning and without wiping the phone, but no separate vendor partition is created (Asus has done is on zenfone 3 and google has done it for pixel and pixel xl). However, this procedure is again somewhat risky and could cause soft to semi-hard bricks and alleviates almost all the benefits of project treble due to not having that separate partition. So again, not worth it.
If I was Xiaomi, knowing my customers, I wouldn't have done it either as a marketing strategy. Give people stable updates, less stuff to worry and complain about and also avoid any risky situations that could put the company's name on the front-pages of bad news.
I hope I helped
solis_f said:
Let me try to be helpful here:
What do you mean by plausible? Plausible is a word for liberal arts, philosophy, literature and other abstract studies or fields. In development, engineering fields no such word is being used. So let us first replace that word, with another one that makes sense.
Is it possible? Yes, everything is.
Is it doable? Yes, it is.
Will Xiaomi ever do it? I can't say for sure since I'm not in anyway affiliated with the development team of Mi A1 updates, but my bet would be on "No".
Now let me explain my reasoning behind this.
To recreate the partition table required for project treble to work (separate system and vendor partitions basically) you need to format your phone. They can't just send an OTA that wipes people's phones. Xiaomi releases an update where the notification led does not blink and people lose their minds. Just imagine what would happen if they put a disclaimer on the OTA, that tells people to backup because the OTA update will wipe their phones for treble support re-partitioning. The majority of people wouldn't even read it and then flood the forums to cry about it (you are experiencing it in this very thread). People expect Google Pixel-like experience (even pixel has hardware and software issues every month) from a 150$ smartphone. You can't afford to do things like that as a company, when you know that your audience is going to publicly execute you, even when they are at fault. It is just not worth it.
There is a make-shift way to enable treble support without re-partitioning and without wiping the phone, but no separate vendor partition is created (Asus has done is on zenfone 3 and google has done it for pixel and pixel xl). However, this procedure is again somewhat risky and could cause soft to semi-hard bricks and alleviates almost all the benefits of project treble due to not having that separate partition. So again, not worth it.
If I was Xiaomi, knowing my customers, I wouldn't have done it either as a marketing strategy. Give people stable updates, less stuff to worry and complain about and also avoid any risky situations that could put the company's name on the front-pages of bad news.
I hope I helped
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Thanks, this was actually helpful. I completely agree that procedures like that would flood all Mi A1 forums with people who didn't inform themselves and it would backfire so that makes perfect sense. I didn't knew that the procedure Google did for the Pixel phones did not unlock full Treble capabilities, kind of strange that they decided to take the risk at all for that.
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Thanks, this was actually helpful. I completely agree that procedures like that would flood all Mi A1 forums with people who didn't inform themselves and it would backfire so that makes perfect sense. I didn't knew that the procedure Google did for the Pixel phones did not unlock full Treble capabilities, kind of strange that they decided to take the risk at all for that.
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Well since they are at the forefront of Android development they are required to have the latest and greatest thing as they promised for the Pixel lineup. They were somewhat forced to do it because they promised for it. Imagine Google not keeping true to their written statements to customers.
tanapak1 said:
Mi A1 is an Android One device which should get an priority to having updates to the latest version asap as Google stated, so comparing Mi A1 with other device that out of the Android One Program is nonsense.
From the very first release of the device Mi A1 get poorly support from Xiaomi, which includes very late deploying source code that almost make the device developing community dies.
Actually the monthly update is just 'OK', everyone knows that we received new bugs on every update even with they have beta program to testing before deploy the stable release.
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Get a new phone then lol
Let me give you a piece of advice, OP
If you want an actual, on-topic and useful discussion, NEVER do that on either XDA or MIUI (Much worse btw)
The only people who can discuss these topics mindfully are the developers and a few handful of people that don't get triggered the moment they see the word "update"
Good luck to you
apexashwin said:
Get a new phone then lol
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Why would I have to? We already have strong developing community which is better than manufacturer's support.
berezker said:
Let me give you a piece of advice, OP
If you want an actual, on-topic and useful discussion, NEVER do that on either XDA or MIUI (Much worse btw)
The only people who can discuss these topics mindfully are the developers and a few handful of people that don't get triggered the moment they see the word "update"
Good luck to you
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I actually deleted my account at the MIUI forum because of the poisonous attitude people have over there. The little useful information people post on there is buried immediately by brainless toddlers who clearly don't know how a forum works.
Maybe I was naive thinking this section of XDA would be better but at least a couple of people in these 17 comments were actually helpful so yeah ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Why would I have to? We already have strong developing community which is better than manufacturer's support.
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Look man, if you have nothing relevant to say about what I'm asking here just don't comment. I didn't create this thread to give complainers like you another platform to post your unfounded and subjective views on support for our device. If you want to see what the Android One update guidelines or the Android adoption rates are, scroll up, I've posted the links. Educate yourself. But please, stop with the complaining, my thread is not the place for it. If you want to contribute be my guest, if you don't, leave.
cmon man, I was answered the one I quoted to.
Did you tried to fight with everyone who doesn't the same as yours?
For what I thought about the topic, ofc it should be 'No' and also you shoudn't pretend yourself and believe on what you think.
If Xiaomi want to do, they will do, but also think that they just released Mi A2 Lite which should be replaced Mi A1 eventually
It's a marketing, business things.
Last thing is, if you really want to make some topic support, just make some online petition and spread them, and I would sign them one if someone make it.
Like somebody said, making the discussion in here is useless, Xiaomi customer support or something else wouldn't response them.