I thought I would pass this one on, it's not listed on the spreadsheet yet, but according toe Choetech it is USB-IF certified. Jane Chh let me know on Facebook that she had gotten positive remarks from Benson Leung.
So I asked him on google+ and he confirmed as being a good cable, but a bit of over kill for the Pixel. At the current price I think it's a good option being that other good cables are about the same or more in price.
It also currently has a promo coupon for $5 off
USB-IF Certified CHOETECH [10Gbps] USB C to USB C Cable (3.3ft) USB 3.1 Gen 2 Type-C Cable [with E-marker & Power Delivery] for 2016 MacBook Pro, MacBook 2015/2016, Nexus 5X/6P, Lumia 950, etc
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N8U9075
Please post any other cables confirmed to be good or USB-IF that aren't on the spreadsheet.
Thanks!
Item Name: CHOETECH 2 Pack[4ft/1.2M] Premium TPE Jacket USB C to USB A Cable with 56k ohm Resistor
Original Price: $20.00
Sale Price: $11.99
Deal Price: $6.95 (Valid for BLACK, AC012-BLUE, AC012-ORANGE, AC012-WHITE 4 items)
Code: JL2XDEAS (expire on Dec.9)
Link: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LPI7ZXK/
Item Name: 6Pack [1.6ft (1) +3.3ft (4) + 6.6ft (1)] USB C to C cable bundle:
Original Price: $30.00
Sale Price: $24.99
Deal Price: $12.99
Code: LUI7QEDK
Link: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MG36MBZ
Item Name: USB-IF Certified USB 3.1 Gen 2 Type-C Cable [with E-marker & Power Delivery] for 2016 MacBook Pro, Pixel Phone or other USB C devices.
Original Price: $30.00
Sale Price: $14.99
Deal Price: $9.99
Code: TIFJPFLN
Link: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N8U9075
Item Name: USB C Cable with LCD Current Voltage Monitor and Voltage Display.
Original Price: $28.99
Sale Price : $13.99
Deal Price: $8.99
Code: RFUM8OUG
Link: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N2IOM1V
Will all these Choetech cables charge our Pixels at the full speed? I've found some of the cables from the spreadsheet but I'm hestiant to buy unless I know they'll charge at full speed.
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Will all these Choetech cables charge our Pixels at the full speed? I've found some of the cables from the spreadsheet but I'm hestiant to buy unless I know they'll charge at full speed.
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most any c to c charge at full speed, it all depends on your charger. the usb-if cheotech cable is over kill, that said I bought two
USB-IF Certified CHOETECH [10Gbps] USB C to USB C Cable (3.3ft) USB 3.1 Gen 2 Type-C Cable
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N8U9075
Wow this cable is fantastic. I was't expecting this kind of quality,the cable is thick and the connectors hefty. Transfer of data speed is much faster than my oem cable. Charging may be pseudo, but my pixel reported rapidly charging as soon as I plugged it in, with other cables it would eventually say that just before the screen would timeout. It may be overkill for my Google Pixel XL but well worth it.
Last picture included of standard Choetech usb type c to c cable for comparison.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MG36MBZ
I caution AGAINST this recommendation
clockcycle said:
I thought I would pass this one on, it's not listed on the spreadsheet yet, but according toe Choetech it is USB-IF certified. Jane Chh let me know on Facebook that she had gotten positive remarks from Benson Leung.
So I asked him on google+ and he confirmed as being a good cable, but a bit of over kill for the Pixel. At the current price I think it's a good option being that other good cables are about the same or more in price.
It also currently has a promo coupon for $5 off
USB-IF Certified CHOETECH [10Gbps] USB C to USB C Cable (3.3ft) USB 3.1 Gen 2 Type-C Cable [with E-marker & Power Delivery] for 2016 MacBook Pro, MacBook 2015/2016, Nexus 5X/6P, Lumia 950, etc
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N8U9075
Please post any other cables confirmed to be good or USB-IF that aren't on the spreadsheet.
Thanks!
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I purchased this cable based on this recommendation. I tried it first with my Yoga 910 notebook using an Anker Powerport + 60W converter. The Yoga didn't like the setup, displaying an "x" next to the battery indicator and of course would not charge. My Pixel arrived the next day and I tried this cable with both the Pixel OEM adapter and the Anker. It likewise would not charge and I also experienced a crackling sound when I removed the cable from the Anker after the Pixel was plugged in. After some more research I noticed this exact cable is now listed on the spreadsheet posted in the following thread as having been tested by both Benson and Nathan K. with a "Bad" rating: https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel/accessories/usb-c-c-c-cables-t3493357 (I'm too "new" to post a link to the spreadsheet itself, sorry)
At this point, this Choetech cable doesn't work with either adapter to power either my Pixel or my laptop. What's more, my Pixel no longer seems to like ANY C-C cables with either the OEM adapter or the Anker immediately after I try this Choetech cable. I can use the OEM A-C cable in a Type-A port and I can even use that A-C cable with the C-A dongle plugged into the OEM adapter or the Anker Type-C port and it powers the Pixel. It seems if reboot the phone or wait some extended period of time, the Pixel will work with other C-C cables again. Very strange, I agree.
All of these same cables (except the 10Gbps Choetech) will power my laptop with either the Pixel OEM adapter or the Anker. So it seems the other cables are all fine. I've tested for an hour or so (and note that I'm an electrical engineer with network hardware R&D experience) and I can only hypothesize so far that this Choetech cable has failed and now forces my Pixel into some state where it does not accept power from any C-C cable until reset.
I did buy the Choetech 6-pack of cables listed in the other post (ID: B01MG36MBZ) and they all seem to be working fine with my laptop and either adapter and also with the Pixel (except when I try them right after this 10Gbps Choetech cable). Caveat emptor with this Choetech product, but I'm returning mine immediately and hoping I haven't caused irreparable damage.
For reference:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vnpEXfo2HCGADdd9G2x9dMDWqENiY2kgBJUu29f_TX8/pubhtml#
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I purchased this cable based on this recommendation. I tried it first with my Yoga 910 notebook using an Anker Powerport + 60W converter. The Yoga didn't like the setup, displaying an "x" next to the battery indicator and of course would not charge. My Pixel arrived the next day and I tried this cable with both the Pixel OEM adapter and the Anker. It likewise would not charge and I also experienced a crackling sound when I removed the cable from the Anker after the Pixel was plugged in. After some more research I noticed this exact cable is now listed on the spreadsheet posted in the following thread as having been tested by both Benson and Nathan K. with a "Bad" rating: https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel/accessories/usb-c-c-c-cables-t3493357 (I'm too "new" to post a link to the spreadsheet itself, sorry)
At this point, this Choetech cable doesn't work with either adapter to power either my Pixel or my laptop. What's more, my Pixel no longer seems to like ANY C-C cables with either the OEM adapter or the Anker immediately after I try this Choetech cable. I can use the OEM A-C cable in a Type-A port and I can even use that A-C cable with the C-A dongle plugged into the OEM adapter or the Anker Type-C port and it powers the Pixel. It seems if reboot the phone or wait some extended period of time, the Pixel will work with other C-C cables again. Very strange, I agree.
All of these same cables (except the 10Gbps Choetech) will power my laptop with either the Pixel OEM adapter or the Anker. So it seems the other cables are all fine. I've tested for an hour or so (and note that I'm an electrical engineer with network hardware R&D experience) and I can only hypothesize so far that this Choetech cable has failed and now forces my Pixel into some state where it does not accept power from any C-C cable until reset.
I did buy the Choetech 6-pack of cables listed in the other post (ID: B01MG36MBZ) and they all seem to be working fine with my laptop and either adapter and also with the Pixel (except when I try them right after this 10Gbps Choetech cable). Caveat emptor with this Choetech product, but I'm returning mine immediately and hoping I haven't caused irreparable damage.
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Interesting I have no such problem with the Google Pixel XL OEM Charger Brick and this cable, I use it every day. I went with Benson's direct comment on G+ of it being a good cable at the time, but what he was sent for testing and what we bought might be totally different. It's unfortunate that there doesn't seem to be consistency in quality control, the spreadsheet is live as far as recommendations are ever changing from one day to the next.
Which Anker Charger did you use, so I can read what recommendation comments Nathan K. and or Benson Leung give on your charger. EDIT: This one? https://www.anker.com/products/A2053111 (according to the spreadsheet "Lacks legacy encoding on D+/D-, won't work on legacy cables. 20v split PDO glitched.". It shouldn't work with A-C legacy cables..)
Also I only use the cables and chargers I post on the Pixel forums exclusively with my Pixel XL. I have read on their comments there being issues with swapping faulty PD chip chargers supplying wrong power between devices. Most particular chargers causing silent failures. You may have gotten a faulty cable, which would suck. BTW the 6 pack isn't listed on the spreadsheet. I have them as well, I've only used the short one and 1 longer one just fine. YMMV
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Interesting I have no such problem with the Google Pixel XL OEM Charger Brick and this cable, I use it every day. I went with Benson's direct comment on G+ of it being a good cable at the time, but what he was sent for testing and what we bought might be totally different. It's unfortunate that there doesn't seem to be consistency in quality control, the spreadsheet is live as far as recommendations are ever changing from one day to the next.
Which Anker Charger did you use, so I can read what recommendation comments Nathan K. and or Benson Leung give on your charger. EDIT: This one? https://www.anker.com/products/A2053111 (according to the spreadsheet "Lacks legacy encoding on D+/D-, won't work on legacy cables. 20v split PDO glitched.". It shouldn't work with A-C legacy cables..)
Also I only use the cables and chargers I post on the Pixel forums exclusively with my Pixel XL. I have read on their comments there being issues with swapping faulty PD chip chargers supplying wrong power between devices. Most particular chargers causing silent failures. You may have gotten a faulty cable, which would suck. BTW the 6 pack isn't listed on the spreadsheet. I have them as well, I've only used the short one and 1 longer one just fine. YMMV
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That's the Anker adapter that I'm using, but I'm not using legacy ports, so the lack of legacy encoding wouldn't matter when using the Type-C interface with a C-C cable. We're talking about the cable and I've isolated it as such because I experience the same problem with the Anker and the Google OEM charger and this cable. And yes, I might have gotten a faulty cable - we'll know more when I receive the replacement cable that Choetech sends me.
But I suggest you also look again at the spreadsheet and realize that this very cable you are still staunchly defending has a -2 BAD rating according to test results by both Benson and Nathan K. Nathan has also just revealed his reasoning for the failing score for this cable. I'd link to it, but I haven't hit the 10-post threshold here, yet, but it's his latest comment on his pinned post on his G+ USB-C Analyses page. Quoted here:
I was working with +Choetech Official / +CHOETECH to resolve the issue I brought up. "Responsible disclosure." This is subsequent to +Benson Leung's (Dec 3, 2016) comment you link. However, they have ceased responding and in fact even asked me to retract my test results highlighting fundamental safety defects with their chargers. (Particularly their "#1 ranked" 15w one.) For that reason, I believe it would be fair to disclose some data openly now. I ran two tests: (1st) was private and I cannot discuss it. (2nd) was donated by +Francisco Vigil from Amazon and is under no disclosure restrictions. My findings replicate Benson's, if not significantly worse. This product is not pre-release, it is actively available and being sold to the public despite these flaws. I held off on reporting as a courtesy to Choetech to clean up their act, but given your report, it seems this was a mistake.
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Are you really intending to defend this cable against their concerns with it as well? I also note that another Amazon reviewer to whom you responded experiences the same electrical crackling that I do, though his cable had not seemed to have failed...at least not yet. Needless to say, there is more than enough evidence to raise concerns with this cable. I'm glad it's working out for you, but I still wouldn't advise other people to try their luck with it despite the mounting evidence of potential for problems here.
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That's the Anker adapter that I'm using, but I'm not using legacy ports, so the lack of legacy encoding wouldn't matter when using the Type-C interface with a C-C cable. We're talking about the cable and I've isolated it as such because I experience the same problem with the Anker and the Google OEM charger and this cable. And yes, I might have gotten a faulty cable - we'll know more when I receive the replacement cable that Choetech sends me.
But I suggest you also look again at the spreadsheet and realize that this very cable you are still staunchly defending has a -2 BAD rating according to test results by both Benson and Nathan K. Nathan has also just revealed his reasoning for the failing score for this cable. I'd link to it, but I haven't hit the 10-post threshold here, yet, but it's his latest comment on his pinned post on his G+ USB-C Analyses page. Quoted here:
Are you really intending to defend this cable against their concerns with it as well? I also note that another Amazon reviewer to whom you responded experiences the same electrical crackling that I do, though his cable had not seemed to have failed...at least not yet. Needless to say, there is more than enough evidence to raise concerns with this cable. I'm glad it's working out for you, but I still wouldn't advise other people to try their luck with it despite the mounting evidence of potential for problems here.
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Note I am not "defending" any cable device accessory or other wise. I just pass on what I see as a good deal at the time and post my OWN observations.
So you're stating that with the choetech usb-if cable you a hearing a "crackling" sound with BOTH your anker and the google oem charger? Your previous statement read as if it only happens with your Anker. As notated on the spreadsheet that charger has issues too, even though it's rated at 2 on their scale.
Benson Leung
+German M. It's a good cable, but if you're just using it to charge your Pixel XL, it's serious overkill. It is a full-featured Gen2 cable, meaning that it can support 10gbps USB 3.1 Gen 2 and simultaneous DisplayPort 4K video.
Neither of those things your phone actually supports. The XL only supports 5gbps USB 3.1 Gen 1.
Furthermore, this cable is only 1M long. The cable that came with your phone is 1.8M. You may find it a bit short.
There are probably better options for you if you just want a charging cable. If you want a cable that you may eventually use to hook up a new laptop with Type-C ports (such as a new MacBook Pro) to your Pixel XL though, the CHOETECH is a good choice.
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If you notice, my comment linked that usb-if cable, was at the same time that a well known tester of usb c stuff (BL) suggested the cable he was sent is "good".. It may have since changed, as many of the recommendations on the spreadsheet have. Many of the top rated/reviewed cables and chargers with a 3, now have a -2 -3 rating.
I bought it at that time, based on comments and under my own assumption of risk. Fortunately my cables worked for me and my application.
That's why if you read further on Nathan K. and Benson Lueng's G+ they are reluctant to "recommend" stuff. After totalphase lent Nathan K. that tester, continued in depth testing as revealed flaws in many of their previously highly rated accessories.
Nathan K.
+German M. Click the link at the bottom of my post. It's a $20 Naztech 5A/100W USB 3.1Gen2. Yes, getting the Google 22.5W charger for $40 with its included Google USB 2.0 charging cable ($20 value) is wise financially. Yes, the Choetech is still fine (and for $10 at that). But I haven't tested the Choetech cable, and Benson hasn't published data (I was slow typing! See above), so between two unknowns that are both USB-IF certified I'd opt for the 5A one.
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The above quoted from G+ was more than 6 weeks ago.
But you have to take their testing subjectively, depending on your application. Again, so far that cable used with the google stock oem charger with my pixel xl has worked for me without issues. YMMV
EDIT: Here are NAthan K.'s current observations on this cable, just posted moments ago. https://plus.google.com/102612254593917101378/posts/cdVsC5ZvrJy?sfc=true
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So you're stating that with the choetech usb-f cable you a hearing a "crackling" sound with BOTH your anker and the google oem charger? Your previous statement read as if it only happens with your Anker. As notated on the spreadsheet that charger has issues too, even though it's rated at 2 on their scale.
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Yes - the crackling happens on both adapters - the Anker and the Google OEM adapter. I can recreate it every time. I first noticed it with the Anker adapter, but I wasn't listening for it every time, and if the TV were on for instance I might not have heard it. In the hours I've spent diagnosing the symptoms since then, I've been able to gain more useful information.
And, yes the spreadsheet notes some issues with the Anker adapter, but as I responded before those notes are specifically limited to the legacy ports, not the USB-C port, so that is completely irrelevant here.
If you notice, my comment linked that usb-if cable, was at the same time that a well known tester of usb c stuff (BL) suggested the cable he was sent is "good".. It may have since changed, as many of the recommendations on the spreadsheet have. Many of the top rated/reviewed cables and chargers with a 3, now have a -2 -3 rating.
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I'm with you, and I noted that above as well. Benson did suggest that the cable was good from his experience in December. It worked fine for him and in that same message to you on the G+ page he noted that it had a blank E-Marker field and some other things, but he dismissively chalked that up to it probably being because it was a non-production unit as Choetech sent it to him to test (as a computer hardware R&D engineer with lots of experience in preproduction development, this makes perfect sense to me) As Nathan K. more recently notes, though, these same errors and perhaps more are also present in the production units and that is something they seem to agree is not acceptable and also very likely dangerous.
I bought it at that time, based on comments and under my own assumption of risk. Fortunately my cables worked for me and my application.
That's why if you read further on Nathan K. and Benson Lueng's G+ they are reluctant to "recommend" stuff. After totalphase lent Nathan K. that tester, continued in depth testing as revealed flaws in many of their previously highly rated accessories.
But you have to take their testing subjectively, depending on your application. Again, so far that cable used with the google stock oem charger with my pixel xl has worked without issues. YMMV
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Very good. A live grenade may not detonate after the pin is pulled. YMMV.
I think what amazes me here is that you are very quick to point to the Anker adapter as a potential problem simply because it has some notes on spreadsheet (even though the specific notes have no bearing on the use of C-C non-legacy cables), but you then also downplay the spreadsheet as merely subjective in reference to a clearly failing score given to this non-legacy cable.
I, as well, bought the cable assuming my own risk. I bought it based on this very post you made and the fact that it had all good reviews on Amazon (six 5-stars and one 3-star at the time). Now I want to warn people that there is more evidence to suggest that the cable might not be a good choice. I don't care if I change your mind about using the cable, but I do wish you could just acknowledge that the info you posted above and based your initial decision on has now clearly changed - the cable does not have the blessings of Benson and Nathan K. after much more recent and extensive testing, and so that's probably for good reason.
EDIT: By the way - the Anker Powerport+ 60W USB-PD charger review by Nathan K. can be found on his G+ USB-C Analyses page in a post initially dated August 29, 2016 and he gave it an overall rating of EXCELLENT ("proof Anker can make good products, if they put their minds to it"). Maybe we can put that frolic to rest now. I'm still not sure about the notes in the spreadsheet regarding legacy cable support, but I have no problem powering USB-C devices with A-to-C cables using the legacy ports and neither Nathan K. nor Benson identify such issues in that post or their comments section. I still cannot post links, but you can open any G+ url and replace everything after the domain with: /u/0/102612254593917101378/posts/Z7uN3G6MF9r
Got in my Choetech 3pack and 6pack USB A to Type-C today. Man great sturdy build same as the C-C version. The braided is so nice, and transfer speeds on both cables are whopping fast! Good charging, tested several different brand OEM chargers. I ordered these after seeing they were on sale again on a slickdeals post and though I'd take advantage.
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*VERIFIED* & *TRUSTED* List of (USB-A to USB-C) cables and (USB-C to USB-C) Cables
I'm creating thread in a Q/A style so that y'all can contribute to the list.
The answers which earn the highest votes will become the most elevated answer... (hopefully that means this is the most trusted USB cable)
I am very bothered by the LIES we have been sold, specifically, buying USB cables which advertise USB Type-C Specifications, and then it turns out they are not USB Type-C Specifications.
Look at this review by Google Software Engineer, telling us about these Fake USB Type-C cables that many of us have purchased.
http://www.amazon.com/review/R1189CCK1UXGT5/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm
Let us post trustworthy, verified, USB-C cables so that we know which ones are SAFE to buy...
Here are some recommended cables by Benson Leung himself (the first 7 listed here), Including other Trusted cables in list below:
1) http://www.monoprice.com/pages/usb_31_type_c
2) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010VFFU1W/ref=cm_cd_asin_lnk
3) http://www.amazon.com/FRiEQ-Hi-speed-USB-Type-Cable/dp/B010EXRTXI/
4) http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Chromebook-MacBook-Compatible-Devices/dp/B00WJSPFOW/
5) http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0119EIHTG/
6) http://www.amazon.com/Nekteck-Charging-Reversible-MacBook-OnePlus/dp/B00VIWE1ZY/
7) http://www.amazon.com/USB-Type-cable-USB-C-USB3-0/dp/B0162ISBEU
8) https://store.google.com/product/usb_type_c_to_usb_standard_a_plug_cable
9) https://store.google.com/product/usb_c_usb_c
WARNING: Just because your USB cable charges your Nexus 6P, and the lock screen says 'Charging Rapidly', does NOT mean that the USB cable is configured to USB Type-C Specifications... This thread is only for verified or trusted sources from where we can buy USB Type-C Cables
Special Thanks to @xur17 for creating this website http://usbccompliant.com/
Please upvote, any other trusted, verified cables posted by commentators in this thread!
Apparently, even the One+ cables, despite being from a 1st party phone maker, even those are NOT using the correct USB Type-C configurations !!!!
as mentioned here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=63653584#post63653584
@slickromeo
One+ cables are deliberately not following USB Type-C standards.
(As far as I'm aware) they are configured to work optimally with One+ products.
I have multimeter. Where exactly would one test to see if the resistor used in 56 kΩ?
I'd imagine one would have to cut open the connector and visually verify the existence of the resistor. I think there would be too much variables involved to just connect the multimeter to a couple of pins, but I could be wrong.
EDIT: NVM
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+Eric Hawkins Unfortunately since USB Type-C is such a new standard, at this point you sort of need some specialized equipment. I've been using this, which is publicly available on Amazon as well : https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/twinkie
If you have a Chromebook Pixel 2015 in dev mode, there's some simple terminal commands I can share that can verify if a cable is good or bad.
I'm going to work on seeing if there's anything I can do on the Android side as well, maybe a battery charging statistics app.
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If you discover a method to verifying these cables ourselves, which is easy enough for the average user, please let us know !
I'm confused on the One Plus cables - they say they are 2A cables on their website, not 3A. So if they are only pulling 2A and im using 1.8A blackberry charger, how is that harmful to my phone? I guess in other words, how can I still use the One Plus cable with a charger safely?
I have these cables http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01...cm_cd_asin_lnk and I did not get the charging rapidy . Not sure if these work I will try again tonight or tomorrow. These cable worked fine http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0119DC9O6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00 with this charger http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0122P71FC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00
Hey guys I'm in the process of setting up a store specific to Type-C products (type-c.io - not up yet). I'm in talks with supplies from Asia about getting the correct cables and was wondering what would you guys pay for cables shipped from North America?
@xray49er when you say you got the cable listed at http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010VFFU1W/ref=cm_cd_asin_lnk and it did not rapid charge your Nexus 6P, where you using the stock charger included with your Nexus 6P ?
@xray49er
Edit #2, I Purchased a 5V/3A car charger that only charged at 1.7amps (false advertising), are you certain that the charger you purchased is truly 5V/3A? test multiple cables, together with the GSam Battery Monitor app to see how many amps its charging
@slickromeo No because this is a usb A to C cable so I used a fast charging chrager that was 5v/3a. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0122P71FC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
All the cables in question are designed like the OnePlus USB-C cables, Basically if your using a device that doesn't charge at 3A you have nothing to worry about
Anyone tried the cable matters ones?
They have a usb 3 to usb type c cable
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cable-Matte...=8-6&keywords=cable+matters+usb+3.0+to+type+c
Hi guys, I'm looking at these cables.
It has a data sheet, is it possible to tell by this whether its in spec?
Everyone, once again, remember that there's NO WAY to tell if the USB A-C cable is compliant by just plugging it in.
It's pretty complex.
The Google Engineer wrote how to do it: https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts/jGP5249NppF
I bought these:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00S8GU544?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s01
I have no issues with them...And the guy from Google didn't review them. They also seem to be on the "compatibility list", based on the description of the item at least.
I've been playing around with the Android App Ampere - I'm wondering if it might be possible to identify bad cables based on the charging rate - based on this post, they should be 2A, not 3A. If you compare the power usage before and during charging, you can deduce the charging rate.
On another note - I'm putting together a database of usb-c compliant cables here to help people find compliant usb cables. I'm primarily focusing on usb-a to usb-c cables as that's where the biggest issues appear to exist. Right now the listings are based on Benson's reviews, but I'm planning to expand it to include additional cables once I find an accurate way to test cables.
I bought these awhile back:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0118NUJIK?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00S8GU544?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00
Would like to know how to test this without a Pixel...
You got your links messed up. FRiEQ links to Belin and vice versa.
It lists "USB Fast Charging @ 5V 3A" in the description, so it's unlikely to pass by Benson Leung's assertions that cables that list 3 amp charging speed typically don't adhere to the spec.
Disclaimer: All of these items were sent to me by Tronsmart for a fair and honest review.
Backstory:
Tronsmart I a well-known accessory manufacturer known for their cables and chargers. This is my first experience with their products because I usually end up purchasing most of my cables/chargers when I first get a new phone (I used qi charging almost exclusively until this current phone). This year things changed as I’m sure everyone is aware; the USB Type-C standard was initially very confusing for both consumers and accessory manufacturers alike. At first it was hard to find any Type-C accessories let alone ones that were probably in spec. This presented an issue for consumers trying to buy a cable that wouldn’t potentially brown out their charger, cause a fire, or harm their brand new Nexus 5X/6P.
I initially purchased an Aukey Type A-C cable off Amazon, and some OnePlus Type A-C cables/microUSB adapters. Soon after purchasing those items, I learned from Benson Leung that the majority of manufactures weren’t following the proper standard, and intern were using the wrong resister. Now while this was great to know, it also made it hard to buy a product with confidence considering that many if not all of them were potentially dangerous to use. Benson Leung went one step further, and began testing cables, chargers, and other products then posting reviews stating whether or not each one met the USB standard. The initial Tronsmart USB-C car charger fell victim to this problem, but thankfully it was corrected with their new car charger you will see below.
Tronsmart sent me a wide array of items to review on here with each one meeting the proper standard as verified via Check-R, and Benson Leung (except for the car charger as of 12/23 which has not been tested)
Here is are some pictures of the items that will be reviewed:
Tronsmart USB Type-C 33W Car Charger with Dual USB Rapid Charging and Quick Charge 3.0
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First I will delve into an item that I know will be used on a daily basis, and that’s their car charger. The charger itself features both a USB Type-C port and a USB Type-A port to meet all of your device needs. The USB Type-A port uses something Tronsmart calls VoltIQ which will charger at 5V/3A max meeting the needs of most devices out there now. On the other hand, the Type-C port features QUALCOMM’s Quick Charge 3.0 standard so you can future proof your car by getting this charger. The Type-C port will charge at: 5-6.5V/3.0A, 6.5-9V/2.0A, 12V/1.5A(Max). This should allow the Nexus 5X/6P to rapid charge via the Type-C port, and charge at ~1.5A from the Type-A port as an in spec cable should.
I plugged both Type-C and Type-A cables into the ports to see how each one fits. The Type-C cable seems much more secure than the Type-A which is something that I’ve noticed when testing the car charger. I tested the car charger using Tronsmart’s USB Type A-C, C-C, and MicroUSB-C cables/adapter. Here are some screenshots showing the charging speed of each one on my Nexus 6P:
Update [12/25] I used the car charger on my 7+ hour drive yesterday and didn't have any issues. The C-C port was use for that part of my trip, and I plan to use the A-C cable via the Type-A port on my drive back tomorrow. I will add another update on how that goes after I get home which will be late Saturday, so the update will likely come on Sunday as a result.
Update [12/26] @MrKaon brought a good point to my attention; the car charger works perfectly fine, but it is not in spec for the USB standard. I personally did not encounter any issues with the car charger; however, the Type-C port cannot use QC 3.0 alongside the Type-C fast charging because it goes against the USB standard as outline HERE. I hope Tronsmart fixes this issue as they stated in the google + post, but all of the cables (A-C included) are in spec. The car charger is the only item that is still not correctly meeting the specification.
Update[12/29] After speaking with Tronsmart, and reading through this google plus post I'm still not sure how I feel about the charger. It does technically go against the charging standard as outline in section 4.8.2 which is further detailed by Benson Leung and the USB standard he is referencing (download). It seems that there is still a significant amount of confusion regarding the new standard. According to Benson Leung, Qualcomm has their Type-C quick charge wrong as it currently stands; this created more issues because Qualcomm told Tronsmart that its QC3.0 standard was correct when it still goes against the USB standard. To sum things up it still isn't using the standard, but it works perfectly fine as is. I'm still using it daily with a C-C cable without any issues, and I plan to until someone shows that it could cause damage to my phone/charger/car.
I used the A-C cable during my ~7 hour drive back home today, and didn't have any issues with it. I also tested both ports simultaneously, and did not notice a drop in current; this would be great if the charger was up to the proper specifications, but its not. I will wait on Tronsmart to make a updated on as they mentioned in their google + post I referenced. If Tronsmart sends me an updated one I will post a newer review on it in this OP.
USB Voltage Mult-meter test (showing that it's meeting the USB Spec)
Stock Google A-C Cable
Tronsmart A-C Cable
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Charging Speeds Screenshots
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Tronsmart 6[ft] USB Type A-C 2 pack
Tronsmart Type A-C 6[ft] Cable 2 Pack
I know many people still enjoy using their legacy chargers rather than buy complete new Type-C ones to replace them, this is where Tronsmart’s USB Type A-C cables come into play. These cables come in a pack of 2 (1 white and 1 black) each cable measuring 6[ft]/1.82[m] in length. Since the cables are using the Type-A port they can be used in more places than your convention Type C-C cables. I always keep a Type A-C cable in my backpack, along with a C-C cable just in case I need to plug my phone into my Surface Pro 4 or a PC for any reason.
The build quality of these cables is great, the cable itself is made out of your typical materials, and is somewhat rigid. I assume the cable will become much more flexible as time goes on, but it’s really an observation more than it is an issue for me. The connectors at each end are solid, and feel like they will last a long time by design. The USB Type-C connector is a matte plastic and tapered so it will not interfere with any cases. (it seems to work just fine with all of my cases so far including the CaseMate, and Ringke Fusion that I tested it on). The cable feels nice, and I plan to use it along with their C-C cable on my road trip tomorrow.
I tested the cable and verified that is passes via the Check-R app on my 6P. The dimensions of each end of the cable were measured with my digital caliper and will be listed below so everyone can check and ensure it will work with their intended case. I also plan to create a spreadsheet listing all of the cases, and cable compatibility given my vast assortment of them.
Update [12/25] I spoke with Tronsmart regarding the earlier mention of the cable being 'in spec', and they said all of their Type-C products have been sent to Benson Leung for review. They also noted that due to the holidays it might take a little longer before he posts about them officially. I am confident their cables will pass the test based on what I have seen as well.
Update [1/7] Benson Leung has reviewed and approved the Tronsmart A-C cable. This confirms my earlier tests of the cable. Bensons Review
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Tronsmart 6[ft] USB Type C-C 2 pack
http://www.amazon.com/Tronsmart-USB..._UL160_SR160,160_&refRID=1G77XXSTWZGMBC089VAT
When it comes to Type-C cables, there aren’t many 6[ft]/1.82[m] cables out there to use with the factory Google charger without paying an excessive amount of money. I purchased the Google 22.5W dual port Type-C charger back when I bought my phone, and while it is very nice (so is the 1.82[m] cable) it was costly. The Google cable retails for $19.99 or the charger with the cable is $39.99; this might have been okay a few months ago, but now there are more choices for a fraction of that price. The Tronsmart USB C-C 2 pack comes with 2! of these cables for only $15.99 USD (as of 12/23). These cables are every bit as nice feeling (if not better in some ways) than the Google one I bought a while ago. I like how Tronsmart includes both a white and a black cable allowing you to choose the color based on where you intend to use it, and what one you enjoy more.
The connectors at each end of the cable are exactly the same as the previous one; this means the connector still features the tapered design, and matte finish which is fine with me.
Update [12/25] I used the C-C cable while driving for 7+ hours yesterday and it performed just as you would expect. I also used both cables in my Google Dual Port Type-C charger to charge my wife's 6P and mine last night. The cables have been working great, and my wife enjoys it more than the stock cable because it's much longer, and has a better build overall.
Update[12/25] Part 2: Tronsmart also mentioned that a C-C cable should not have a 56K pull resistor, or any resistor as noted in "3.4.2 "USB 2.0 Type-C Cable Assembly" for instructions on how to build a legal C-to-C cable. Adding a resistor would be wrong". I really appreciate Tronsmart's great service, and how they reached out to me with this information. I rarely see companies go to these lengths without first asking, but Tronsmart did this on their own without me having to ask. I'm going to buy some more of their cables because they have excellent service, and I could always use more cables.
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Tronsmart MicroUSB-C 2 pack
http://www.amazon.com/Tronsmart-Con..._UL160_SR160,160_&refRID=1G77XXSTWZGMBC089VAT
Tronsmart decided to also make a MicroUSB-C adapter so you can use all of your old microUSB cables. These adapters also come in a 2 pack (1 white and 1 black) just like Tronsmart’s cables. I only have a handful of cables left over (primarily for my Nvidia Shield TV PRO), but these will still get used for a variety of reasons. I usually carry a USB Type A-C/C-C cables around, but this adapter is more practical in a different way. I can easily carry this in my backpack just in case I wanted to leave out my other cables, and need to charge my phone. The majority of people I know still use a microUSB cable to charge their phone, and this allows you to charge your 6P via the old cables. It is very small (easy to lose unfortunately, I wish they included a key fob like OnePlus did) but brings exactly what you need if you need to charge your phone but only have access to microUSB cables. I plan to carry one of each cable, and these adapters around with me because I like to be over prepared rather than under-prepare. I also have the TechMatte microUSB adapters, but their quality is far lower than the Tronsmart ones. The adapters remain consistent with Tronsmarts other Type-C accessories and feature a tapered body which makes them less susceptible to breaking. I can’t find any flaws in these adapters other than they don’t come with some form of holder which would prevent them from getting lost easily.
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Tronsmart 33W Dual Port Type-C, Type-A Wall Charger
Tronsmart Dual Port Type-C, Type-A 33W Travel Charger
Overview
Tronsmart is on a roll with all of their great new products being released. They Dual Port Type-C/Type-A wall charger is no exception with a familiar designto the other dual port charger they sent me. The charger is small enough to easily bring in your bad, and it has the advantage of packing both a Type-A & Type-C port for maximum versatility. I am going to bring this with me to school on a daily basis as a means of an emergency charger/long term test.
Packaging
What’s in the box
A dual port charger, and some basic documentation with Tronsmart's usual contact information.
Build & Design
I've been enjoying the other dual port charger I was sent because of its nice compact form. The addition of a fold-able plug gives the charger the extra portability you need when carrying one around. The charger features Tronsmarts signature glossy edge coupled with a nice matte plastic body. A high quality feeling plastic is used which gives it a better feel than the stock Huawei, or the Google 22.5W dual port chargers.
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Charging
The Type-A port will charge using Tronsmarts Volt IQ up to 5V/3A, while the Type-C port uses Qualcomms Quick Charge 3.0. I have tested both ports with my 6P, a dock, Shield Controller, and external battery packs. The Type-C port will only push up to 5V/3A and not the QC 3.0 which is good. Tronsmart designed the charger so it would identify the phone, and provide only the current it could handle. This is the same idea behind their Type-C/Type-A car charger I reviewed above which is still working flawlessly. If there are any concerns over the use of QC 3.0 via the Type-C port please refer to the links I posted in the car charger section for a better explanation.
Here is a breakdown of the charging by port:
Type-A: 5V/3A
Type-C: 3.6-6.5V/3A, 6.5-9V/2A, and 9-12V/1.5A
Picture of my 6P, and battery pack charging from both ports (the 6P is "rapid charging", and the battery pack is charging slower because it was nearly full)
Summary
Tronsmart made another excellent charger using the tried and true design language that should last for a long time. I like the versatility of the foldable plug and inclusion of both types of USB ports. I would buy one of these as a gift without hesitation given its performance build, and Tronsmart's exceptional service!
At the request of Tronsmart I removed the 'hide' image tags for the car charger so the pictures can be seen immediately without clicking on each one.
Update #1 [1/12] Tronsmart is adding a PTC (positive temperature coefficient to all of their Type-C products) This is also known as a thermistor to counter some issues people had with the cables. Tronsmart stated that people who did not keep the cables dry during use/clean experienced issues, but I wouldn't worry about it as this time. The addition of the thermistor is more of a preventative measure to ensure there are no issues for anyone despite using a cable incorrectly. I have not experienced any issues personally with their products, and I will continue to use them on a daily basis unless something prevents me from doing so. I was told the Type-C products that I currently have will be replaced which is going above and beyond in my opinion. I will update this statement with any new information as it becomes available.
Update #2 [1/12] PTC is not the standard, but rather a step above in terms of safety. I wanted to add that all of these cables are 100% compliant and meet the USB specification as outlined with Benson Leungs approval. Tronsmart is going above and beyond to ensure consumer safety with their products. No other USB Type-C cables on the market current incorporate a thermistor, so with Tronsmart's revised cables you will never have to worry. (the stock Google cables do NOT have a thermistor) I believe Tronsmart is trying their best to instill confidence in their products, and stand above the rest. This is my personal opinion based on my communication with them regarding issues I've had/seen.
Very professional review! Thanks! Got the tronsmart type c car charger and the type c to a cable:good: Actually I had found the new tronsmart car charger before but didn't find any review here.
jisddwqs said:
Very professional review! Thanks! Got the tronsmart type c car charger and the type c to a cable:good: Actually I had found the new tronsmart car charger before but didn't find any review here.
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Thank you, I will post an update after my ~7-8 hour roadtrip tomorrow. I'm going to use it to keep my Nexus 6P and my wife's 6P charged during the trip. The charger seems to work just as well as my other Type-C car charger (except that one has a fixed cable), and I like the ability to use a longer cable if I want to.
Pilz said:
Thank you, I will post an update after my ~7-8 hour roadtrip tomorrow. I'm going to use it to keep my Nexus 6P and my wife's 6P charged during the trip. The charger seems to work just as well as my other Type-C car charger (except that one has a fixed cable), and I like the ability to use a longer cable if I want to.
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How about the update? Does it work well? PS: The link of "Tronsmart Cables/Car Charger/Adapter Review" in your signature is wrong. Just link to the post"[Review 12/23] Case Comparison: 15+ cases (Hybrid, Clear, Slim, Rugged & TPU)"
Send the product link to Benson Leung without his approval don't buy it.
His reviewed products so far
jisddwqs said:
How about the update? Does it work well? PS: The link of "Tronsmart Cables/Car Charger/Adapter Review" in your signature is wrong. Just link to the post"[Review 12/23] Case Comparison: 15+ cases (Hybrid, Clear, Slim, Rugged & TPU)"
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I fixed the link in my signature thank for you the heads up. Next, I was driving all day yesterday and I said I would update it when I had the time; it was noted in the OP that I would be out of town, and update the OP when I have the time because of that. I have a few minutes now so I will add some more to it. I do this in my free time, so please keep that in mind.
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Send the product link to Benson Leung without his approval don't buy it.
His reviewed products so far
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I'm well aware of his product reviews as I mentioned very clearly in my OP. Benson Leung doesn't ask companies to send him products, but rather he buys them and conducts testing independently. He doesn't need to approve every cable in order for it to be approved. Check-R is just as accurate, and other people on Amazon who own a Pixel tested it the same way as Benson which resulted in the cable passing the test with flying colors. You cannot say "without his approval don't buy it." when there are tons of cables inspec cables that he hasn't tested. No one can seriously expect him to test every cable hence the Check-R app, and other people conducting their own tests within the same standards.
The A-C, and MicroUSB-C cable/adapter pass Check-R just fine; I see no reason why the C-C only wouldn't as well, but I don't have a Type-C port on my laptop or adapter to verify that. I highly doubt Tronsmart would make the A-C cable compliant and then make the C-C non compliant so it's safe to assume that it is indeed compliant.
Pilz said:
Thank you, I will post an update after my ~7-8 hour roadtrip tomorrow. I'm going to use it to keep my Nexus 6P and my wife's 6P charged during the trip. The charger seems to work just as well as my other Type-C car charger (except that one has a fixed cable), and I like the ability to use a longer cable if I want to.
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My car has a bluetooth puck that is powered by a USB port. I read that if you have something connected to the Type C port of a car charger and then connect another device, the charging ability to either device drops like a rock. (I currently have an OMAKER 6.6A 3-port USB Type A charger).
Can you replicate this? I doubt my BT puck needs to draw a huge amount of power, but it definitely has no battery and has to run on power (this was intentional, because I wanted the puck to turn on the moment the car is turned on and turn off with the car).
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My car has a bluetooth puck that is powered by a USB port. I read that if you have something connected to the Type C port of a car charger and then connect another device, the charging ability to either device drops like a rock. (I currently have an OMAKER 6.6A 3-port USB Type A charger).
Can you replicate this? I doubt my BT puck needs to draw a huge amount of power, but it definitely has no battery and has to run on power (this was intentional, because I wanted the puck to turn on the moment the car is turned on and turn off with the car).
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I'll test it with my wife's 6P and mine on both ports and let you know. I'll need to make sure both batteries are lower so they will draw more power, then let you know how it performs.
OP Updated with more remarks concerning the cable certification as previously mentioned.
Pilz said:
I'm well aware of his product reviews as I mentioned very clearly in my OP. Benson Leung doesn't ask companies to send him products, but rather he buys them and conducts testing independently. He doesn't need to approve every cable in order for it to be approved. Check-R is just as accurate, and other people on Amazon who own a Pixel tested it the same way as Benson which resulted in the cable passing the test with flying colors. You cannot say "without his approval don't buy it." when there are tons of cables inspec cables that he hasn't tested. No one can seriously expect him to test every cable hence the Check-R app, and other people conducting their own tests within the same standards.
The A-C, and MicroUSB-C cable/adapter pass Check-R just fine; I see no reason why the C-C only wouldn't as well, but I don't have a Type-C port on my laptop or adapter to verify that. I highly doubt Tronsmart would make the A-C cable compliant and then make the C-C non compliant so it's safe to assume that it is indeed compliant.
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Benson doesn't reviews C to C cable only A-C cables and car chargers (already disapproved other Tronsmart charger) after searching Car Charger Thread I find out his opinion about this charger:
Please read the language in section 4.8.2 closely. It prohibits a proprietary charging method, which is what QC is, from modifying the voltage at the charger or the phone side. It's not possible to be compliant with both at the same time.
The way I read the spec, it is also against spec to charge legacy devices at higher voltages (ie an older phone with a MicroB port and supports QC) out of the same Type C port.
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The spec prohibits it because it allowing it would cause significant confusion between two different methods of varying Vbus in a Type-C system. USB PD is the officially sanctioned method, and has some important advantages over any of the existing QCs. Specifically, you will NEVER see a QC hub or charging+data port on your computer because QC completely takes over the USB data lines. USB PD does not do this and there are already fast charging hubs on the market that also hook up USB 2.0 and 3.1 data lines.
Also, allowing it would potentially cause problems with legacy A-to-C cables by changing Vbus, it affects the reading the adc on the device side would read from CC.
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So don't buy it.
Only car charger that has passed his review with only 4 star is Vinsic.
Ha ha I am the one he had to clarify too lol.
MrKaon said:
Benson doesn't reviews C to C cable only A-C cables and car chargers (already disapproved other Tronsmart charger) after searching Car Charger Thread I find out his opinion about this charger:
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So don't buy it.
Only car charger that has passed his review with only 4 star is Vinsic.
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Thank you for the link, I read through the Google + posts then amended the OP to reflect what you referenced. Now, despite the car charger not being compliant, the cables are still perfectly in spec and work fine. I appreciate the link, and information. I tagged you in the OP, then inserted the link you provided so other users can have a look at it.:good:
So the important part, does it work properly like the stock charger? AFAIK and researched, Tronsmart made a 2in1 charger (QC 3.0 + 5V*3A) in one port, that's why it's not in spec. But so far on your review, it works perfectly, and is giving 2700ma when charging.
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So the important part, does it work properly like the stock charger? AFAIK and researched, Tronsmart made a 2in1 charger (QC 3.0 + 5V*3A) in one port, that's why it's not in spec. But so far on your review, it works perfectly, and is giving 2700ma when charging.
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It works just like the stock charger and will give 2.9-3A when the battery is low. I can take a screenshot later when I drain my battery enough and post it in the OP. I know its not up to the correct spec, but it still works fine. I can't recommend people use it because its not correct, yet I haven't had any issues to suggest its unsafe in any way. I have a different car charger (JOTO I believe) and it has a fixed cable which chargers at 5V/3A as well. I'll test both and take screenshots so you can see the rates each one charges at.
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It works just like the stock charger and will give 2.9-3A when the battery is low. I can take a screenshot later when I drain my battery enough and post it in the OP. I know its not up to the correct spec, but it still works fine. I can't recommend people use it because its not correct, yet I haven't had any issues to suggest its unsafe in any way. I have a different car charger (JOTO I believe) and it has a fixed cable which chargers at 5V/3A as well. I'll test both and take screenshots so you can see the rates each one charges at.
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Good to know that it's working properly and PERFECTLY. =) Read the whole thread on reddit. The only issue is, you can't mix QC 3.0 and 5V*3A(Type C charging) in one port. Something about the guidelines.
Tronsmart did it anyway, and made it work. Dunno what the issue is about anymore.
While Benson Leung did great on pointing out the defeciencies in the market, I think this scare is already blown out IMO.
But more importantly, thank you so much for the review. ??
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swiftden said:
Good to know that it's working properly and PERFECTLY. =) Read the whole thread on reddit. The only issue is, you can't mix QC 3.0 and 5V*3A(Type C charging) in one port. Something about the guidelines.
Tronsmart did it anyway, and made it work. Dunno what the issue is about anymore.
While Benson Leung did great on pointing out the defeciencies in the market, I think this scare is already blown out IMO.
But more importantly, thank you so much for the review. ??
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I don't know enough about electronic circuits to say there won't be an issue seeing as I'm finishing a degree in Petroleum Engineering which is quite different. I'm not concerned about it killing my phone unless evidence shows otherwise, but I can't state that people should buy it because of what was mentioned. I still really like the charger, and I will continue to use it daily because its nice. I hope the issue gets sorted out sooner rather than later. I PM'd Tronsmart about the discrepancy, and I will post their response in the OP. I think out of spec A-C cables are more of a hazard personally, but the Tronsmart ones are in spec are made correctly.
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I don't know enough about electronic circuits to say there won't be an issue seeing as I'm finishing a degree in Petroleum Engineering which is quite different. I'm not concerned about it killing my phone unless evidence shows otherwise, but I can't state that people should buy it because of what was mentioned. I still really like the charger, and I will continue to use it daily because its nice. I hope the issue gets sorted out sooner rather than later. I PM'd Tronsmart about the discrepancy, and I will post their response in the OP. I think out of spec A-C cables are more of a hazard personally, but the Tronsmart ones are in spec are made correctly.
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Interesting, I find that aukey also released a similar charger with quick charge 3.0 and the type c port(the same as the tronsmart one). Also put the quick charge 3.0 into the type c port. Can't post the amazon link here now. You can search"aukey type c charger" then you can find it.
OP Updated [12/29] with even more information regarding the Type-C standard. It creates more confusion, but also clears some other things up.
jisddwqs said:
Interesting, I find that aukey also released a similar charger with quick charge 3.0 and the type c port(the same as the tronsmart one). Also put the quick charge 3.0 into the type c port. Can't post the amazon link here now. You can search"aukey type c charger" then you can find it.
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According to Benson Leungs post that charger doesn't meet the USB standard. I think Qualcomm is misleading some of these manufacturers by having their QC 3.0 standard not meet the USB one.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0119DC9O6/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Anyone know if this one is safe to use?
UPDATE 12/17/2016 Charger still works great no issues with it and my Pixel XL
Here is the detailed testing review information http://lygte-info.dk/review/USBpower Blitzwold USC-C car charger BW-C3 UK.html
Here you can find more detailed testing reviews on other usb devices http://www.lygte-info.dk/info/indexUSB UK.html OR http://lygte-info.dk/info/ChargerIndex UK.html
UPDATE 11/23/2016, mentioned this charger to Nathan K, and he linked me a review done by HKJ http://budgetlightforum.com/node/45176.
COMMENTS: "He felt it was "a bit too powerful". Translation (and my opinion): it lacks overload protection safeties, avoid.
"No individual port overload protection."
UPDATE 11/15/2016: I tested with my Pixel XL and it handles 1400-1450mA in port (A) using stock a-c cable and 1450-1530mA in port (c) cabled usb-c..
UPDATE 11/12/2016; This morning I plugged in at 66% on phone, ampere showed the charger feeding 2400mA. This is as fast as my zerolemon QC wall charger on my lg g4.
BlitzWolf? 5V 5.4A USB Type C BW-C3 Car Charger 27W
http://us.banggood.com/Wholesale-Wa...t-Google-Chromebook-Pixel-wp-Usa-1008254.html
$4.90 + Free Shipping
Coupon code: b8cb34 51% off for Blitzwolf Bw-C3 expired
I just found this deal on slickdeals and I am just posting the deal here if anyone wants to take advantage. I ordered 3 myself. But do not know anything other than that about the product or the site selling them. Use/Order at your own risk!
FIY: I don't think this is capable of charging the Pixel at 18w max, but it should be able to do it safely at 15w (5v 3A). It supposedly can't handle max charging two devices either. It has a permanently attached USB C cable and a USB A slot.
EDIT: Same item on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Charger-BlitzWolf-Attached-Chromebook-Macbook/dp/B01ALA75I8
PIXEL Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel/accessories/blitzwolf-5v-5-4a-usb-type-c-bw-c3-car-t3492152
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PSA; as some of you know Benson Leung fried his Chromebook Pixel while testing. Others may not know that on November 9th Nathan K posted messing up his Pixel's Port controller as well.
https://plus.google.com/102612254593917101378/posts/iFweEx52Rbs?sfc=true
Be careful what accessories, cables you use, including major manufacturer name brands.
UPDATE 11/12/2016; This morning I plugged in at 66% on phone, ampere showed the charger feeding 2400mA. This is as fast as my zerolemon QC wall charger on my lg g4.
bump still working great and still on sale $5 shipped.
So is this a good charger?
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DirgeExtinction said:
So is this a good charger?
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UPDATE 12/17/2016 Charger still works great no issues with it and my Pixel XL
Here is the detailed testing review information http://lygte-info.dk/review/USBpower...W-C3 UK.html
Coupon code is expired, you should update OP and title.
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Coupon code is expired, you should update OP and title.
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Thanks for the heads up, they still have the coupon code listed in the description.
Hey all, just acquired my new Pixel XL. It's my first USB-c device so need to get some new cables... I was looking at USB-c car chargers on Amazon but not seeing any rave reviews on much. Do you all have any recommendations? Is there a certain standard of charger that is best for the Pixel (I.e. quick charge 2.0 or 3.0 etc)?
Thanks everyone for your input
AntikytheraTech said:
Hey all, just acquired my new Pixel XL. It's my first USB-c device so need to get some new cables... I was looking at USB-c car chargers on Amazon but not seeing any rave reviews on much. Do you all have any recommendations? Is there a certain standard of charger that is best for the Pixel (I.e. quick charge 2.0 or 3.0 etc)?
Thanks everyone for your input
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The pixels use usb-pd and not quick charge 2.0 or 3.0. Currently, there is not a lot of great options. there are a few threads taking about it in this forum.
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dragonsofcp said:
The pixels use usb-pd and not quick charge 2.0 or 3.0. Currently, there is not a lot of great options. there are a few threads taking about it in this forum.
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Check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3474205
Shout out to @Nathan-K and Benson. I've spent hours reading their G+ pages and Amazon reviews and I'm blown away by the work they're doing trying to hold manufacturers accountable and keep consumers safe.
Tl;dr - most are junk currently, and some are even dangerous. 1 specific Verizon version for usb-c pd (TYPECPDVPC ONLY!) is the most acceptable one.
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Check out this spreadsheet it has chargers on it and one is type car. There are no perfect PD chargers at the moment (18W) AUKEYCC-Y7 and Verizon 27w TYPECPDVPC are the least bad. It is probably best to take the 3W hit at the moment and go for a 15W non PD car charger like the Belkin 15w F7U005bt04-BLK or Nomad B015NN0OKO. Personally I have gone for the AUKEYCC-Y7 PD charger as although not perfect it is at least cheap.
Bear in mind that some chargers come with a fixed USB-C charging cable. Ones that are cable less will need a decent cable as well. Decent ones cost as much as the chargers. So given the current price I recommend going for the Belkin 15W charger with built in cable
spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...x9dMDWqENiY2kgBJUu29f_TX8/edit#gid=1288176877
AUKEY CC-Y7 20 USD
https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Deli...F8&qid=1481192204&sr=8-1&keywords=AUKEY+CC-Y7
Belkin 15w F7U005bt04-BLK 25 USD (On sale!)
https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-USB-I...6&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=Belkin+15w+F7U005bt04
I would stick with your existing USB - A charger and get a A to C cable.
None of the USB-C chargers are anywhere near good.
I just got this one two days ago based on Benson Leung's review. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014F2NQ36/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
His review: https://www.amazon.com/review/R2Z6A...etail-glance&nodeID=2335752011&store=wireless
I found a link in one of these threads that has a easy to follow list. It doesn't appear to be updated so some of the newer items are not listed: https://usbccompliant.com/
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I would stick with your existing USB - A charger and get a A to C cable.
None of the USB-C chargers are anywhere near good.
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So there's no issue using an old micro USB charging cable? I planned on using my old ones and I purchased a 2 pack of USB-C to Micro USB adapters from Amazon. Can't seem to get clarification about the micro USB chargers..
I have no clue with micro > C adapters. The OEM A>C cable works great and make sure any 3rd party A > C cables should have the required 56kΩ resistor.
I am using a few of these from Anker on an old .5a Moto charger, older Anker car charger and an extra thrown in my work bag.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01A6F3WHG/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
aholeinthewor1d said:
So there's no issue using an old micro USB charging cable? I planned on using my old ones and I purchased a 2 pack of USB-C to Micro USB adapters from Amazon. Can't seem to get clarification about the micro USB chargers..
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Of course there is an issue, you need to use either use a micro to c adapter with a 56k ohm pull-up resistor in it or a an approved a to c cable that also has a 56k ohm pull-up resistor.
EDIT: make sure you bookmark that google spreadsheet and check it for up to date~ info.
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Of course there is an issue, you need to use either use a micro to c adapter with a 56k ohm pull-up resistor in it or a an approved a to c cable that also has a 56k ohm pull-up resistor.
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Well that's why I asked.. lol
So the adapter that came with the phone is ok to use with old micro USB cables?
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I just got this one two days ago based on Benson Leung's review. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014F2NQ36/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
His review: https://www.amazon.com/review/R2Z6A...etail-glance&nodeID=2335752011&store=wireless
I found a link in one of these threads that has a easy to follow list. It doesn't appear to be updated so some of the newer items are not listed: https://usbccompliant.com/
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That visnic is no longer even on the spreadsheet
I got the v3 CCTA from tronsmart and returned it, the pixel sees it as a device when you unplug and plug it into 12v with car turned off/not powering socket..
The 27w Belkin is now considered bad after further testing has shown it to allow the pixel to backfeed power.
Oh, all Belkins are now in the bad -2 recommendation..
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aholeinthewor1d said:
Well that's why I asked.. lol
So the adapter that came with the phone is ok to use with old micro USB cables?
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A Micro to usb type c adapter didnt come with the phone. You can use the USB A to C cable that came with the phone with legacy chargers.
Has anyone plugged their pixel into an "old" charger and actually had an issue? I see lots of people going crazy about chargers and also see lots of people that use any old charger they have with a cheap adapter and they have no issue.
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Has anyone plugged their pixel into an "old" charger and actually had an issue? I see lots of people going crazy about chargers and also see lots of people that use any old charger they have with a cheap adapter and they have no issue.
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I use my old charger with the oem a to c cable and my old a to micro cable with a micro to c adapter that has the 56k ohm resistor just fine, it's just slower than max, but no big deal. hardly ever have to use it, but have it just in case.
I have been using an old Anker pre QC charger and it has been working fine.
I haven't tried the QC3 charger in my wife's car yet.
For now the A>C cables with the 56 ohm resistor is the safe way to go.
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Droid_Junky said:
I just got this one two days ago based on Benson Leung's review. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014F2NQ36/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
His review: https://www.amazon.com/review/R2Z6A...etail-glance&nodeID=2335752011&store=wireless
I found a link in one of these threads that has a easy to follow list. It doesn't appear to be updated so some of the newer items are not listed: https://usbccompliant.com/
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Plus one. Have this and love it.
I use this one I bought off Amazon. Been using it for a while. Never had any problems with it. Rapidly charges my pixel and you can charge 2 items at the same time. Check it out for yourself.
Belkin
The Belkin 15 watt used to be recommended as it was the charger for the 6p. I have used it with the 6p and now the Pixel. Not sure why it went from 2 to -1. Obviously it does not do PD with the Pixel, but I cannot see it doing harm. Same is true for the Google 6p wall charger. I sue that with the Pixel also. Any thoughts?
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The Belkin 15 watt used to be recommended as it was the charger for the 6p. I have used it with the 6p and now the Pixel. Not sure why it went from 2 to -1. Obviously it does not do PD with the Pixel, but I cannot see it doing harm.
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I would guess the change is for charging as noted. There are some further comments about a lack of IR drop compensation circuitry in the Google+ information below. I view the list as simply somewhat subjective opinions from an engineer, and like you said, I couldn't find comments in Google+ to suggest the Belkin you're talking about might pose a threat to a phone. My previous Razr M would tend to lose power when charging and using navigation, so I may just keep the Belkin PD model and see what happens with a replacement, in spite of the current -2 in the list.
https://plus.google.com/102612254593917101378/posts/dxxeQtDTXuW?sfc=true
moogaloo said:
Check out this spreadsheet it has chargers on it and one is type car. There are no perfect PD chargers at the moment (18W) AUKEYCC-Y7 and Verizon 27w TYPECPDVPC are the least bad. It is probably best to take the 3W hit at the moment and go for a 15W non PD car charger like the Belkin 15w F7U005bt04-BLK or Nomad B015NN0OKO. Personally I have gone for the AUKEYCC-Y7 PD charger as although not perfect it is at least cheap.
Bear in mind that some chargers come with a fixed USB-C charging cable. Ones that are cable less will need a decent cable as well. Decent ones cost as much as the chargers. So given the current price I recommend going for the Belkin 15W charger with built in cable
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...x9dMDWqENiY2kgBJUu29f_TX8/edit#gid=1288176877
AUKEY CC-Y7 20 USD
https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Deli...F8&qid=1481192204&sr=8-1&keywords=AUKEY+CC-Y7
Belkin 15w F7U005bt04-BLK 25 USD (On sale!)
https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-USB-I...6&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=Belkin+15w+F7U005bt04
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I bought two of the AUKEY ones and have been using them without issue and they charge fast. Using a choetech USB c to c cable on one of them and an Anker c to c on the other.
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Some further information has been posted on the Belkin car chargers:
F7U004bt04-BLK
https://plus.google.com/102612254593917101378/posts/fKDKFYqnWt1
F7U005bt04-BLK
https://plus.google.com/102612254593917101378/posts/dgqeFSM19bd
F7U006bt04-BLK
https://plus.google.com/102612254593917101378/posts/SYq8iPEGv2Y
If you are looking for a spare USB Type-C charger that can charge most of your Power Delivery compatible devices, I recommend these, compact sturdy build. It can handle 5V/3A, 7V/3A, 8V/3A, 9V/2.7A, 12V/2A (24 watts) and are also Qualcomm Quick Charge 3.0 compatible.. Although non-compliant with USB Type-C specs, it is deemed "Excellent USB-PD charger, versatile, VERY safe. QC part has some bugs. Included 2m USB2.0 C-C cable is mediocre BAD." ref: https://plus.google.com/102612254593917101378/posts/SpiohgXQwkp
Received my OEM Verizon/Xentris chargers today (XENTVLPD-XX1 / TYPEC27PDQC3TVL). They seem to work great. Note: They come with the Verizon logo marked off. I bought mine for about $8~ off this eBay listing http://www.ebay.com/itm/351967678957 same seller has with or without cable in case you don't trust it and use your own.
Great find, thanks! I have been very leery of charging devices and constantly checking Nathan K's G+ for answers. Would be great to grab a few of these for the office, kitchen, etc.
For car, I bit the bullet and ordered: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GUVNHY8/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 for $24, which are mysteriosly gone from amazon currently. Review here: https://plus.google.com/102612254593917101378/posts/SYq8iPEGv2Y and for Pixel XL seems fine, even if it charges a bit slower.
For bedroom, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01D8C6ULO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 with reviews here: https://plus.google.com/102612254593917101378/posts/Z7uN3G6MF9r
djRamage said:
Great find, thanks! I have been very leery of charging devices and constantly checking Nathan K's G+ for answers. Would be great to grab a few of these for the office, kitchen, etc.
For car, I bit the bullet and ordered: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GUVNHY8/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 for $24, which are mysteriosly gone from amazon currently. Review here: https://plus.google.com/102612254593917101378/posts/SYq8iPEGv2Y and for Pixel XL seems fine, even if it charges a bit slower.
For bedroom, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01D8C6ULO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 with reviews here: https://plus.google.com/102612254593917101378/posts/Z7uN3G6MF9r
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I am contemplating buying the Verizon Car Charger from that same vendor $9~ even though it's not highly rated on the spreadspeed, it's mainly because it's QC over usb C..