Database Info

any actual stable 7.1.2 roms.

Are there any actual stable 7.1.2 roms? I've tried lineage os 14.1 and it gave me random reboots quite often. Is everything that is based on lineage os having these problems? Are there any not based on lineage? Or are there any stable ones with very few problems? Cheers.

OathYvne said:
Are there any actual stable 7.1.2 roms? I've tried lineage os 14.1 and it gave me random reboots quite often. Is everything that is based on lineage os having these problems? Are there any not based on lineage? Or are there any stable ones with very few problems? Cheers.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Try RR man.
Sent from my Honor 8 using XDA Labs

Honestly, no. All give me random reboots and none that I've seen take pictures as well as stock. As RR is also based on OpenKirin's device tree, it will also result in reboots to erecovery.
I'm sticking to stock at the moment.

Skeletor916 said:
Honestly, no. All give me random reboots and none that I've seen take pictures as well as stock. As RR is also based on OpenKirin's device tree, it will also result in reboots to erecovery.
I'm sticking to stock at the moment.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
try
AOKP and LEGEND ROM

Skeletor916 said:
Honestly, no. All give me random reboots and none that I've seen take pictures as well as stock. As RR is also based on OpenKirin's device tree, it will also result in reboots to erecovery.
I'm sticking to stock at the moment.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Did you even try the latest updates? I've been using RR for over a month. Zero random reboot.
Sent from my Honor 8 using XDA Labs

adriansticoid said:
Did you even try the latest updates? I've been using RR for over a month. Zero random reboot.
Sent from my Honor 8 using XDA Labs
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Did you even read the comments on the thread over there? Did you even see that there are many reports of other people with those exact same issues? Did you, even?
Glad it's working for you.

Skeletor916 said:
Did you even read the comments on the thread over there? Did you even see that there are many reports of other people with those exact same issues? Did you, even?
Glad it's working for you.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Did you even get my point? I'm not the only one having it working properly. Yeah there are many complaints, but not 100% of the users who flashed it have the problems. Might as well try it yourself. It's better than reading the comments.
Sent from my Honor 8 using XDA Labs

adriansticoid said:
Did you even get my point? I'm not the only one having it working properly. Yeah there are many complaints, but not 100% of the users who flashed it have the problems. Might as well try it yourself. It's better than reading the comments.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Apparently you don't even read your own comments... OP's question is about STABLE roms... In your own words, the rom you mentioned has "many complaints" about it...
....
....
And again, as I said, many OTHER people mention having those same problems. As in, I had them as well. Stop making assumptions about what I have or haven't done, especially when it's there in my words. I'm going to go back to lurking now, not that I imagine that will stop you.

Skeletor916 said:
Apparently you don't even read your own comments... OP's question is about STABLE roms... In your own words, the rom you mentioned has "many complaints" about it...
....
....
And again, as I said, many OTHER people mention having those same problems. As in, I had them as well. Stop making assumptions about what I have or haven't done, especially when it's there in my words. I'm going to go back to lurking now, not that I imagine that will stop you.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
please don't be so rude

OathYvne said:
Are there any actual stable 7.1.2 roms? I've tried lineage os 14.1 and it gave me random reboots quite often. Is everything that is based on lineage os having these problems? Are there any not based on lineage? Or are there any stable ones with very few problems? Cheers.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Try the latest carbon rom ..
https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-8/development/rom-carbon-rom-honor8-t3636749
You will love it for sure..

OathYvne said:
Are there any actual stable 7.1.2 roms? I've tried lineage os 14.1 and it gave me random reboots quite often. Is everything that is based on lineage os having these problems? Are there any not based on lineage? Or are there any stable ones with very few problems? Cheers.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, the ALL unstable if you have GPS enabled. Some of them don't allow you to switch between 3G/4G (the switch just doesn't do anything), none of them can show the actual GSM signal strength and none of them even close as fast as EMUI 5.
So if you are 22+, you have a job, use you phone for calls, use navigation in a car or Uber to call taxi (thus, live in a city), none of them can be considered as stable.
And if our honorable developers would write all this it there OPs, rather "fast and stable" or "BUGS - you tell me", they would save me several hours.

Moto G xt1540 Heating and battery drain. Possible software cause.

Hello friends, thanks for taking the time for reading this.
I recently bought a Moto G3 second hand and had previously installed Lineage OS. And I have been having heating and fast battery drainage issues and i would like to know if reverting to stock can help me with that before sending it to repair.
I have three questions. How can I know that i have stock kernel? and if not, where can I find it so I can flash it?
And, if I flash the factory image, I can leave twrp untouched or i must flash custom recovery?
Thanks again.
Edit: Could it be that it has stock Gapps Package? Just trying to find the origin of the problem.

Psicovirus said:
Hello friends, thanks for taking the time for reading this.
I recently bought a Moto G3 second hand and had previously installed Lineage OS. And I have been having heating and fast battery drainage issues and i would like to know if reverting to stock can help me with that before sending it to repair.
I have three questions. How can I know that i have stock kernel? and if not, where can I find it so I can flash it?
And, if I flash the factory image, I can leave twrp untouched or i must flash custom recovery?
Thanks again.
Edit: Could it be that it has stock Gapps Package? Just trying to find the origin of the problem.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Install offitial lineage os with nano or pico gapps. Origin can be you are running extra apps if using larger gapps or some app may be causing issue which can be located in battery section which app using more batty or cpu in background
Sent from my MotoG3 using Tapatalk

mirpuri said:
Install offitial lineage os with nano or pico gapps. Origin can be you are running extra apps if using larger gapps or some app may be causing issue which can be located in battery section which app using more batty or cpu in background
Sent from my MotoG3 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hey, thanks for answering.
While I was waiting for an answer, I've tried: 1) clean install lineage with the smallest gapps package possible. 2) Trying Greenify and Coolify apps. 3) Installing a custom kernel and tweaking it with Audiutor. None of these have helped at all.
When is Idle the phone temperature range is between 35-39 C and with use is between 40-44 C. The battery last 10 hours or less if I dont use it at all, 6-8 hours depend on usage. The apps that get the most battery are Screen, Android os and play services.
My questions are: 1) Those temperatures/battery time are normal for this device or are they a common malfunction in hardware? (Maybe like S4 mini and Nexus 5x with emmc) 2) There's a chance that with the stock firmware I can get better battery time and less heat? (I've seen reviews that this model could get to the 2 days without charge, don't know if that's true).
I have had either a Nexus 5x and a Moto G1 and they never felt so hot when in use. I don't wanna send it to repair just yet because in my country there aren't official motorola stores and I don't want them opening the screen and ruining the water resistance unless that's the last resort.
Sorry for the wall of text. Thanks in advance.

Hey, I also face the same issues with some custom ROMs . iam using moto g3 2gb ram. I also flashed lineage OS 14. I also had the battery heating problem . but for others they have no issues. I almost flashed all nougat ROMs . I face this issue with some other ROMs too. I always do clean flash, with small gapps. I can't use some best ROMs out there as my daily driver because of this battery issue. Please help

Do you face the same issue with the stock ROM? Which ROMs have you tried? The heating is only in the battery or CPU as well? How much does your battery lasts?

I never tied stock . Iam using AICP ROM now it has no such problems. I had issues with aosp extended and dot os and some Oreo roms too. As u said I am also having 2 to 3 hours more battery drain

Should I try AICP? How much does it solve that problem? I think I've made a makeshift solution with kernel adiutor and lineage stock kernel disabling a core and under locking a bit the others and with a couple of powersaving governor's it doesn't heat as much and the performance it's not too unbearable, but the battery drain hasn't improved as much.
If anyone could shed some light on what could be happening I would be truly grateful.

Yes do try AICP, viperOS or RR works well for me and are stable .. I also tried custom kernel with lineageOS. But didn't solve battery draining . I don't understand why it happens to only some rom.

stonny20 said:
Yes do try AICP, viperOS or RR works well for me and are stable .. I also tried custom kernel with lineageOS. But didn't solve battery draining . I don't understand why it happens to only some rom.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks, I'll try them later and also stock ROM so I can give feedback about those issues because ins really weird and I don't want to have it with a deactivated core.
Edit: RR has 3 variants, do you mean the nougat one? the last version?

Yes bro nougat ROMs
And RR latest

stonny20 said:
Hey, I also face the same issues with some custom ROMs . iam using moto g3 2gb ram. I also flashed lineage OS 14. I also had the battery heating problem . but for others they have no issues. I almost flashed all nougat ROMs . I face this issue with some other ROMs too. I always do clean flash, with small gapps. I can't use some best ROMs out there as my daily driver because of this battery issue. Please help
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
stonny20 said:
I never tied stock . Iam using AICP ROM now it has no such problems. I had issues with aosp extended and dot os and some Oreo roms too. As u said I am also having 2 to 3 hours more battery drain
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
stonny20 said:
Yes bro nougat ROMs
And RR latest
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks man, I'll install when I can and update this post so hopefully anyone who has this problem can find a solution if this works.

Psicovirus said:
Thanks man, I'll install when I can and update this post so hopefully anyone who has this problem can find a solution if this works.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes sure bro.. Take your time and do check

stonny20 said:
Yes sure bro.. Take your time and do check
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ok, I've tried and I'm updating.
RR doesn't make my phone heat less and the battery keeps draining also AOSP 8.0. Seems like my problem isn't software related. I've yet to try the stock ROM so I can know for sure.
Thanks for the suggestion mate.

Bro then there might me some other issues that is not related with custom ROMs . Do check flashing stock ROM with out root, and I hope someone more experienced might help you

Antutu scores from various kernels on Bootleggers Oreo

Hi, last night I couldn't sleep and I decided to flash a few kernels on my global 4/64 Whyred. To be honest, I didn't expect a wide variation in results, however the difference between the fastest and slowest kernel was 28000 points.
The phone's ROM was Bootleggers Oreo. Tested kernels: ROM's stock Derp+, Derp-v5.3, AGNi_PIE-v5.6, IceCold-R5.2, KangarooX-R4.4 and InsigniuX-x14.
This is by no means a comprehensive test (each kernel ran Antutu 7.2.2 only once), but is might serve as a starting point for some people. Before I attach the screenshots, I'd like to mention that IceCold boots the phone in less than half the time the others do, however apparently it was not enough to give it the crown (it's not overclocked). It also fails to show its information in "About phone", so I took it from termux.
All tests consumed 1-2% of battery and no tweak whatsoever was applied on the kernels (schedulers, clocks etc); they ran at stock settings.
I would like to thank the kernels developers for their hard work.
[EDIT] Added KangarooX-OC.
SCORES
Code:
KangarooX 128,209
AGNi 125,286
IceCold 117,020
Derp-v5.3 113,870
Derp+ 113,597
InsigniuX 100,639

Aren't the oreo builds discontinued bro?

Apparently not, most of the tested kernels are only a few days or weeks old and also agni works perfectly, despite being designated Pie.
I found P ROMs not mature enough yet for daily use.

ckom26 said:
Apparently not, most of the tested kernels are only a few days or weeks old and also agni works perfectly, despite being designated Pie.
I found P ROMs not mature enough yet for daily use.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Oreo firmware based pie roms are awesome, bro. Try them out, if you will.

Pjaswani023 said:
Oreo firmware based pie roms are awesome, bro. Try them out, if you will.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've been hopping ROMs this last month, still haven't found one with all the features I want and bugless. Testing last O-based Havoc for 2 days now and I'm not satisfied. Been on RR-6.2.0 and Bootleggers so far, they all had their issues. Which one do you suggest?

ckom26 said:
I've been hopping ROMs this last month, still haven't found one with all the features I want and bugless. Testing last O-based Havoc for 2 days now and I'm not satisfied. Been on RR-6.2.0 and Bootleggers so far, they all had their issues. Which one do you suggest?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Use Havoc-OS build 19-05-2019 with AGNi v5.5. There are one or two minor issues but they are easily fixable.

Pjaswani023 said:
Use Havoc-OS build 19-05-2019 with AGNi v5.5. There are one or two minor issues but they are easily fixable.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Alright, thanks. I'll first try dirty-flashing from my running setup and if that fails I'll clean-flash. Got any links related to those issues?

ckom26 said:
Alright, thanks. I'll first try dirty-flashing from my running setup and if that fails I'll clean-flash. Got any links related to those issues?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Do a clean flash. Bugs include :
1. Contacts get reset sometimes when installing WhatsApp. Easily handed, so NBD.
2. Music seekbar doesn't work on notification. Also, NBD.

Pjaswani023 said:
Do a clean flash. Bugs include :
1. Contacts get reset sometimes when installing WhatsApp. Easily handed, so NBD.
2. Music seekbar doesn't work on notification. Also, NBD.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Both NBD as I neither use WhatsApp nor listen to music at all on my phone. Cheers!

where is my kangaro ??

namhoang235 said:
where is my kangaro ??
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Added in OP.

best ROM for 2s?

I finally got my bootloader unlocked and now I need to get rid of miui. What is the best ROM for this device?

tactical bacon said:
I finally got my bootloader unlocked and now I need to get rid of miui. What is the best ROM for this device?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
best rom is miui
well there is no best rom, it depends on you personal choice. there is rom with lot of customisation and others similar to stock android without customisation.
but il sugest u to start with los

tactical bacon said:
I finally got my bootloader unlocked and now I need to get rid of miui. What is the best ROM for this device?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I tried MIUI, LineageOS, Resurrection Remix and Pixel Experience on my Mi Mix 2s. Here my experiences:
MIUI: Longest battery life and best benchmark results.
LOS: Daily updates
RR: Many options to customize various things
PE: Preloaded with Google's crap
With all 3 custom ROMs I had battery drain (~13% per night).
After testing these 3 custom ROMs I chose LOS, but without Gapps. No more battery drain (maybe the Gapps were responsible for it...?) and a nice, clean and often updated ROM
Feel free to ask if you have any further questions concerning LOS, RR or PE

spring_roll said:
I tried MIUI, LineageOS, Resurrection Remix and Pixel Experience on my Mi Mix 2s. Here my experiences:
MIUI: Longest battery life and best benchmark results.
LOS: Daily updates
RR: Many options to customize various things
PE: Preloaded with Google's crap
With all 3 custom ROMs I had battery drain (~13% per night).
After testing these 3 custom ROMs I chose LOS, but without Gapps. No more battery drain (maybe the Gapps were responsible for it...?) and a nice, clean and often updated ROM
Feel free to ask if you have any further questions concerning LOS, RR or PE
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you for helping. I tried AICP and RR but found many bugs like with Bluetooth headphones so I went back to stock miui with xposed modules that allow me to customize it. Still haven't tried LOS

P3R for stock Google experience. It's also the fastest rom out there with great battery life.
For in between either aosip, arrow, bootleggers or syberia.
Havoc for a ton of features.

We are missing some info here. Best rom for what? Battery, performance, features, pixel like look, cleaned not as many features..?
Evolution X for features
almost every rom for battery (just need the right tweaks)
aosip, arrow, los for cleaned not that debloated style rom also balanced
pe, p3r, Qdp6 for pixel like experience
really you are the only one that know what you want, focus on your goal

DahakePL said:
P3R for stock Google experience. It's also the fastest rom out there with great battery life.
For in between either aosip, arrow, bootleggers or syberia.
Havoc for a ton of features.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I was going to install P3R but I couldn't find old firmware to flash like the instructions said to do

pi4a7a said:
We are missing some info here. Best rom for what? Battery, performance, features, pixel like look, cleaned not as many features..?
Evolution X for features
almost every rom for battery (just need the right tweaks)
aosip, arrow, los for cleaned not that debloated style rom also balanced
pe, p3r, Qdp6 for pixel like experience
really you are the only one that know what you want, focus on your goal
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sorry I should of said best ROM for a daily driver.

tactical bacon said:
Sorry I should of said best ROM for a daily driver.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Every single rom out there is a daily driver candidate.
Missing the point here.

pi4a7a said:
Every single rom out there is a daily driver candidate.
Missing the point here.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I already tried some of the ROMs and calling them all daily drivers is far from the truth. I think you are miss interpreting what a daily driver is.

tactical bacon said:
I already tried some of the ROMs and calling them all daily drivers is far from the truth. I think you are miss interpreting what a daily driver is.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Roms your tried suck. Try roms that I mentioned.
See you in telegram(where all the info about roms and vendors is)

pi4a7a said:
Roms your tried suck. Try roms that I mentioned.
See you in telegram(where all the info about roms and vendors is)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes that's why I am back on stock lol. I will try more later this week when I don't have work.

Bootleggers 4.2 (with canting kernel) is for me a daily driver since three months now. No 13% drain over night or something like that. (standard 2-3% i think).

Have any rom support widevine L1?

tazmako said:
Have any rom support widevine L1?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
None. Thats not how it works...

Mi mix3 Is support or same?

tazmako said:
Mi mix3 Is support or same?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No idea. Ask in mix 3 forum

ChillDuder said:
Bootleggers 4.2 (with canting kernel) is for me a daily driver since three months now. No 13% drain over night or something like that. (standard 2-3% i think).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I also had ~13% battery drain overnight with all custom ROMs I tested (LOS, PE, RR). Solution was to go Gapps-free (no Google Services at all). Since then I have no more battery drain (0-1% overnight) and 8.5 hours SOT... I'm satisfied with LOS now

pi4a7a said:
No idea. Ask in mix 3 forum
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If I turn back to global rom it support L1?
Or mix2s not suppprt L1 In every rom.

tazmako said:
If I turn back to global rom it support L1?
Or mix2s not suppprt L1 In every rom.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
no support for l1

xXx NoLimits or Havoc-OS? Why

Hello guys
I decided to root my device and if already I'm doing it I decided to have a custom ROM since I read people like it more than the oxygen OS.
Now I don't know which one to chose?
xXx NoLimits or Havoc-OS? And why?
I'd really appreciate it if you help to decide!
Thank you in advance!

is this Havoc-Oos rom based on stock?

No limits is not a rom itself. It's a powerful tweaking module for magisk with MANY options
I would suggest reading up on it before flashing that or anything in that case

Greatness83 said:
No limits is not a rom itself. It's a powerful tweaking module for magisk with MANY options
I would suggest reading up on it before flashing that or anything in that case
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So can I install havoc OS and on it no limits? Will be there any problem?

No limits is good as is Renovate ICE. As far as custom ROMS go, crDroid and Resurrection Remix are the best with crDroid having slightly more options. The Devs are very active and are very good at squashing bugs quickly as well.

Mist3rShey2nIl said:
So can I install havoc OS and on it no limits? Will be there any problem?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Or you can root and stay stocked then flash no limits

Greatness83 said:
Or you can root and stay stocked then flash no limits
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yea that's what I'm gonna do, apparently Android 10 custom ROMs have wifi problems.

Mist3rShey2nIl said:
Yea that's what I'm gonna do, apparently Android 10 custom ROMs have wifi problems.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's what I did. Kept it stock, and rooted..
Also debloated as well.
Make sure your so read on how to keep root after a system update.... Really simple

Mist3rShey2nIl said:
Yea that's what I'm gonna do, apparently Android 10 custom ROMs have wifi problems.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'd certainly try ResurrectionRemix. I had the WiFi drop out issue on havoc and other custom roms, but RR is running perfectly! No issues battery life, as for me, its farsuperior to OOS (6hrs SOT vs up to 8hrs - though your usage, app installations may vary such battery consumption) and its full of settings/tweaks. Plus updates are super frequent, like every other day and the dev/maintainer is responsive to queries.
The only thing I've found is USB File transfer isn't currently working for me, but not a deal breaker by any means as I just reboot to twrp. Plus its working for others.
So yeah, give that a go I say!

Blackcrane said:
Neither one both suck. The only thing worth flashing on this device is bliss but not the official version. And these people telling you that cr or havoc has the most features don't know what they are talking about. Bliss is the rom with the most and best features of all android 10 custom roms for any device. And if you want customization on oos then you should use rice. xXx is just a placebo that doesn't actually do anything. Come on now... Increase Network speeds..... With a magisk module haha that's not even possible. And everything xXx does anyone else could do in their own without an automated script it's basically just all build.prop changes which is super easy to do by yourself with a text editor and you can debloat anything you want from the file system with a root file explorer. Flash bliss or rice is you're staying on oos. xXx literally does nothing it's just a placebo.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I approve this message. Bliss is overall the best Rom with the best battery but it doesn't have the most features because MSM Extended does and there is no debating. Bliss and PA are the most stable. Right now I'm Stock with Renovate Ice. I find no limit overrated because there really isn't much too gain as far as performance on stock and I actually enjoy debloating, side loading apps, and tweaking on my own.

***edited***

go for crDroid. You wont find anything as smooth and power efficient while having tons of customisation.

I think the take home message OP is to give them all a try and see what suits your needs.
You may want all the features that some custom roms offer, you may not experience any of the issues, or you may not need any features and encounter bugs.
I definitely enjoyed havoc, but the WiFi drop out issue was a deal breaker. That's non existent, for me, on RR and so I'm here to stay.
So just give them a whirl yourself and you'll find what's gonna work best for you ?

mookiexl said:
I approve this message. Bliss is overall the best Rom with the best battery but it doesn't have the most features because MSM Extended does and there is no debating. Bliss and PA are the most stable. Right now I'm Stock with Renovate Ice. I find no limit overrated because there really isn't much too gain as far as performance on stock and I actually enjoy debloating, side loading apps, and tweaking on my own.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Haha and what msm builds are your referring too. Cause it doesn't have now features than bliss no other Android 10 custom rom does. I know this for a fact cause I've built every rom there is out and isn't out for this device. Msm is no comparison by a long shot.

Blackcrane said:
Neither one both suck. The only thing worth flashing on this device is bliss but not the official version. And these people telling you that cr or havoc has the most features don't know what they are talking about. Bliss is the rom with the most and best features of all android 10 custom roms for any device. And if you want customization on oos then you should use rice. xXx is just a placebo that doesn't actually do anything. Come on now... Increase Network speeds..... With a magisk module haha that's not even possible. And everything xXx does anyone else could do in their own without an automated script it's basically just all build.prop changes which is super easy to do by yourself with a text editor and you can debloat anything you want from the file system with a root file explorer. Flash bliss or rice is you're staying on oos. xXx literally does nothing it's just a placebo.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What Bliss are you referring to and how can I try it?

Blackcrane said:
Come to my tg group....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What's the link?

qzan7 said:
What Bliss are you referring to and how can I try it?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-7-pro/development/rom-blissroms-v11-9-t3957341
Blackcrane said:
Come to my tg group....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There's no need to join your "group" the rom is not hidden or anything like that
harpin14789 said:
What's the link?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-7-pro/development/rom-blissroms-v11-9-t3957341

Greatness83 said:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-7-pro/development/rom-blissroms-v11-9-t3957341
There's no need to join your "group" the rom is not hidden or anything like that
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-7-pro/development/rom-blissroms-v11-9-t3957341
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Haha it's funny how people always speak without actually knowing. That's the crappy official version. I do my own builds which have fully working oos cam and several things bliss broke in their source no fp flicker and other stuff specific for this device. Just search bliss Guacamole on telegram and see for yourself.

Blackcrane said:
Haha and what msm builds are your referring too. Cause it doesn't have now features than bliss no other Android 10 custom rom does. I know this for a fact cause I've built every rom there is out and isn't out for this device. Msm is no comparison by a long shot.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There is debating if you are telling a complete fallacy. Unless something drastic has happened in the month or so time since I've used Bliss my statement still stands. Evolution X and MSM trump Bliss in the feature department

mookiexl said:
There is debating if you are telling a complete fallacy. Unless something drastic has happened in the month or so time since I've used Bliss my statement still stands. Evolution X and MSM trump Bliss in the feature department
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No you're just wrong msm never had more features than bliss ever maybe you should actually flash them both. I've built both and still build Bliss. I built msm way before it was here on xda before anyone else did. MSM DOES NOT HAVE MORE FEATURES THAN BLISS! This is discussion is over.