Currently I have a Galaxy s5.
I am seeing tons of deals this thanksgiving.
I have a post on Honor 8 forums (THANK YOU FOR COMMENTS SO FAR ) but figured it may be better to post in general since I am looking at all different kinds of phones now.
Here is my original post:
I have had a galaxy s5 for 2 years, and noticed over time things have become slow.
With multiple apps I had to use some tools to get these to run from the SD card VIA app.
Seems that 16 GB of room isn't that much when you keep adding (some apps take up 2 GB)
I am also enjoy custom rom, recovery, root.
Here is the current ones I am looking at and my concerns.
Honor 8:
Concerned about speed and if enough of an upgrade
LeEco Le Pro3:
Concerned about development and lack of SD
OnePlus 3T:
Development and lack of SD
HTC 10 :
Concerned about 32 GB internal
ZTE Axon 7:
Looks ok but worried about performance
LG G5:
Looks good but worried about review and quality
There are so many phones and so many deals my head is spinning.
Any help on narrowing it down would be great.
Thank you,
Go for development and SD card supported devices
eracet said:
Currently I have a Galaxy s5.
Here is the current ones I am looking at and my concerns.
Honor 8:
Concerned about speed and if enough of an upgrade
LeEco Le Pro3:
Concerned about development and lack of SD
OnePlus 3T:
Development and lack of SD
HTC 10 :
Concerned about 32 GB internal
ZTE Axon 7:
Looks ok but worried about performance
LG G5:
Looks good but worried about review and quality
There are so many phones and so many deals my head is spinning.
Any help on narrowing it down would be great.
Thank you,
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My suggestion to go for any phone with good development and SD card support. Take devices without SD card if internal is >64 GB. Sad thing is most of flagship phones won't come with SD card slot. Here are some good devices ,
1) One Plus 3T [128GB] (No SD slot)
2) MI 5s [128GB] (No SD slot)
3) MI 5s Plus [128GB] (No SD slot)
4) Asus Zenfone 3 Deluxe [64GB / SD card slot] (Lack of development)
That is definitely a problem I am running into . Not sure why they do not include an SD card
Same goes with removable battery . Maybe its a thing of the past.
From what I have seen from development and power , right now I am leaning towards the HTC 10.
It does only have 32 internal is the only problem , but with the SD it makes up for it.
Going to go to Best Buy today and look at there phones (They have the most phones in one spot)
Seen HTC has the phone for 500$.
Nihal @A-JAX said:
My suggestion to go for any phone with good development and SD card support. Take devices without SD card if internal is >64 GB. Sad thing is most of flagship phones won't come with SD card slot. Here are some good devices ,
1) One Plus 3T [128GB] (No SD slot)
2) MI 5s [128GB] (No SD slot)
3) MI 5s Plus [128GB] (No SD slot)
4) Asus Zenfone 3 Deluxe [64GB / SD card slot] (Lack of development)
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Hi there!
HTC 10 development is not that good. Android 7.x roms are not started yet also. My suggestion is to reconsider your options.
Regards
Nihal
Nihal @A-JAX said:
Hi there!
HTC 10 development is not that good. Android 7.x roms are not started yet also. My suggestion is to reconsider your options.
Regards
Nihal
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Checked out Honor 8 today some.
Best buy Rep has a HTC 10 and suggests the Honor 8.
I was concerned about speed but that may not be an issue after seeing some benchmark videos .
As far as development I have seen tons on XDA with the HTC 10.
As far as Honor 8 I have seen some development but not overwhelming yet.
eracet said:
Checked out Honor 8 today some.
Best buy Rep has a HTC 10 and suggests the Honor 8.
I was concerned about speed but that may not be an issue after seeing some benchmark videos .
As far as development I have seen tons on XDA with the HTC 10.
As far as Honor 8 I have seen some development but not overwhelming yet.
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You can go for HTC 10 then.
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hello guys,
i just want to know that , are there any chances of getting custom roms for g pro 2 (D838)?
OR will there be development on this device?
coz m gonna buy this device otherwise i will go for g2
sorry for horrible English
chaitanyakoranne said:
hello guys,
i just want to know that , are there any chances of getting custom roms for g pro 2 (D838)?
OR will there be development on this device?
coz m gonna buy this device otherwise i will go for g2
sorry for horrible English
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I owned the g2 then I moved onto the g pro 2 (d838) as I got a fantastic deal on a new one on ebay.
The g2 is an excellent device with a fairly decent custom rom scene thanks mostly to @Cloudya but the g pro 2 has similar hardware specs with the massive bonus of a 5.9 inch screen (g2=5.2 inch) an extra 1gb of ram, a micro sd card slot, a removable battery and an improved ois on the camera.
I absolutely love my g2 pro 2 but, at the moment, the dev scene is practically non-existant. We have easy root but no custom recovery. I can't understand why this device isn't popular, It is excellent and as soon as we users flaunt this fact then perhaps people (especially developers) will buy this device and develop for it.
In saying this, on stock, this is the best device that I have ever owned and I have had many.
Agreed, I have owned a g2, loved it. this G Pro 2 is even better. All specs mentioned in above post are 1 reason why I like it more. Another is the size, I can't see my self going g2 size again. This phone is the best I've owned, and that list is long. I sold my galaxy note 3 after using this for a week.
G Pro 2! I own a nexus 5 and now got a D838. I cant start explaining how much more awsome the G Pro 2 is. The screen and the battery life are the selling points for me.
manas.neo said:
G Pro 2! I own a nexus 5 and now got a D838. I cant start explaining how much more awsome the G Pro 2 is. The screen and the battery life are the selling points for me.
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Seconded!
G Pro 2!This have a Micro SD Slot and Removable Battery,and i love the Size!We can root the G Pro 2,but no Custom Recovery(D838)
I also don't understand why LG hasn't released this flagship to Europe anyway? Luckily eBay is there to help us.
Has anyone started to work on ROM for this phone, looking at the spec of this phone looks promising, it has a large battery capacity which is great but look at battery test for this phone it looks like stock software is not optimized, so just wondering if the community is willing to help optimize or any advise
Bi1a11979 said:
Has anyone started to work on ROM for this phone, looking at the spec of this phone looks promising, it has a large battery capacity which is great but look at battery test for this phone it looks like stock software is not optimized, so just wondering if the community is willing to help optimize or any advise
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the review of low configuration umidigi S2 you can see on Youtube
I've got the regular S2 for a couple of weeks now. It's a good phone with some downsides. Camera is not fantastic but good enough for everyday stuff. If you want amazing photos buy a flagship. Proximity sensor doesn't turn off screen properly while in a call, maybe fixed in future version. One of the major networks in Germany does not work for mobile data in most cases (O2 and Eplus joined and the phone can't handle the "data roaming").
Tech support is non existant. They will point you to their half chinese forums with barely any members that is spammed with press releases. Posting takes dozens of "money" that you must unlock with posts. Very unprofessional but maybe expected for such a relatively small company. There are no service addresses for repairs and the accessories market for that phone is very very limited. Barely any cases or screen protectors out there. If you break anything on this phone expect to get a new one. I have not tried yet but to get replacement parts for this seems near impossible at this point.
Other than that, screen is great for the resolution. Battery life is absolutely brilliant. I can get through a full day with using <40% battery and it lasts easily 3+ days on pure standby.
Wifi has become much better I think after the last firmware update. They are updating the phone but I wonder for how long. This is not a manufacturer that can or wants to support all of it's devices like big ones do.
Materials are good, maybe a bit slippery in the hands but all microblasted aluminium phones are like that.
Screen has a <1mm bezel between the side of the phone and the display surface but I don't care about that.
Build, to me, feels very good. Fingerprint sensor works well and fast. Android is 6.0.1 but I hope they will have an update to 7 or 8 at some point.
I don't care about benchmarks so I can't talk about that, my apps work well. Video streaming is fluid. No idea about 3D gaming I don't use my phone for that.
For that price it's a great phone imho.
Have just pre-ordered this device. Will wait to see what comes, hopefully able to unlock the bootloader and remove any bloatware that comes pre-installed.
It exist a custom rom for s2? I'd like
It has poor camera, other things are very good
What kind of custom could fix in it? Paranoid android?
esclusoilcane said:
It has poor camera, other things are very good
What kind of custom could fix in it? Paranoid android?
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Apparently it's possible to install TWRP on this Umidigi S2 :
https://www.getdroidtips.com/root-twrp-umidigi-s2-s2-pro/
I don't have Umidigi S2 to test but I'm very interested by the S2 Pro.
Perhaps it is possible to install Lenovo SNAPit Camera in order to improve the photos by flashing it with TWRP ? :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-lenovo-snapit-camera-redmi-note-4-t3608065
Does it support volt in india (to call using jio)
PJKO said:
Apparently it's possible to install TWRP on this Umidigi S2 :
https://www.getdroidtips.com/root-twrp-umidigi-s2-s2-pro/
I don't have Umidigi S2 to test but I'm very interested by the S2 Pro.
Perhaps it is possible to install Lenovo SNAPit Camera in order to improve the photos by flashing it with TWRP ? :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-lenovo-snapit-camera-redmi-note-4-t3608065
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This post was a cut and paste from another phone.
Now the link for the custom recovery is available. I will probably give it a try just to be able to root the phone.
As of today, there is no available custom ROM available for the umidigi s2, although you can find posts on how to revert back to the stock ROM. Those posts are also just cut and pasted from other phones sharing the same cpu
Sent from my S2 using Tapatalk
mine is out for delivery on the 23/11 not bad delivery from gearbest HK to UK ordered 16/11 shipped 18/11 dhl express paid £5-70 then a further £26 import duties from dhl , Reg S2 hopefully shipping with android 7.0 buy now but doubtful , hope the phone gets it's own section in the development department ,,
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Does this phone have NFC?
PJKO said:
Apparently it's possible to install TWRP on this Umidigi S2 :
https://www.getdroidtips.com/root-twrp-umidigi-s2-s2-pro/
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I just tried that and while the recovery installs my phone wouldn't boot afterwards. Maybe because I have the main partition encrypted but maybe for another reason.
Also for me the screen was flipped 180 degrees probably due to a backwards display in this phone.
hellrokr said:
Does this phone have NFC?
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I think only pro has nfc I don't see it on mine
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DoobyDroid said:
I think only pro has nfc I don't see it on mine
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Could not find it anywhere. Nowhere is it mentioned even for the pro version.
r0ckarong said:
I just tried that and while the recovery installs my phone wouldn't boot afterwards. Maybe because I have the main partition encrypted but maybe for another reason.
Also for me the screen was flipped 180 degrees probably due to a backwards display in this phone.
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Still early days I wouldn't personally try it but I'm sure in time this phone will get Dev support , I had some feed back from umi on there FB page regarding update to 7/8 they said there waiting on MediaTek's to release source or sdk as this P20 chip was built around Android 6 at the time and the P25 around 7 that's why pro ships with 7 that's what they said , also mentioned an update coming with a week but more likely bug patch still on Jan 2017 security , not the best look on a 2017 phone 2015 os
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Could not find it anywhere. Nowhere is it mentioned even for the pro version.
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I'm sure I read somewhere some regions got nfc how true that is
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I personally would consider it for a next phone, though I'm not sure if the TWRP image for the S2 works on the S2 pro.
r0ckarong said:
I've got the regular S2 for a couple of weeks now. It's a good phone with some downsides. Camera is not fantastic but good enough for everyday stuff. If you want amazing photos buy a flagship. Proximity sensor doesn't turn off screen properly while in a call, maybe fixed in future version. One of the major networks in Germany does not work for mobile data in most cases (O2 and Eplus joined and the phone can't handle the "data roaming").
Tech support is non existant. They will point you to their half chinese forums with barely any members that is spammed with press releases. Posting takes dozens of "money" that you must unlock with posts. Very unprofessional but maybe expected for such a relatively small company. There are no service addresses for repairs and the accessories market for that phone is very very limited. Barely any cases or screen protectors out there. If you break anything on this phone expect to get a new one. I have not tried yet but to get replacement parts for this seems near impossible at this point.
Other than that, screen is great for the resolution. Battery life is absolutely brilliant. I can get through a full day with using <40% battery and it lasts easily 3+ days on pure standby.
Wifi has become much better I think after the last firmware update. They are updating the phone but I wonder for how long. This is not a manufacturer that can or wants to support all of it's devices like big ones do.
Materials are good, maybe a bit slippery in the hands but all microblasted aluminium phones are like that.
Screen has a <1mm bezel between the side of the phone and the display surface but I don't care about that.
Build, to me, feels very good. Fingerprint sensor works well and fast. Android is 6.0.1 but I hope they will have an update to 7 or 8 at some point.
I don't care about benchmarks so I can't talk about that, my apps work well. Video streaming is fluid. No idea about 3D gaming I don't use my phone for that.
For that price it's a great phone imho.
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Hi
Please check and correct me If I am wrong. According to UMI claimed that the first batch of S2 v1 come with non up gradable processor and hence, you can only maintain at Marshmallow version ie. Android 6 while S2 v2 (so called 2nd batch) can be upgraded to Android 7 (no idea to Android 8???). So guys, please check directly with UMI on this issue. I am thinking of getting the S2 Pro but would like UMI to confirm whether same issue with S2 v1 ???? Cheer s -
NDbluewee said:
Hi
Please check and correct me If I am wrong. According to UMI claimed that the first batch of S2 v1 come with non up gradable processor and hence, you can only maintain at Marshmallow version ie. Android 6 while S2 v2 (so called 2nd batch) can be upgraded to Android 7 (no idea to Android 8???). So guys, please check directly with UMI on this issue. I am thinking of getting the S2 Pro but would like UMI to confirm whether same issue with S2 v1 ???? Cheer s -
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I did get sim info from umi regarding diff chips that are built on certain version of Android v1 Android 6 V2 Android 7 they won't answer the question weather V1 can update to 7 all I got was there waiting for MediaTek to release source but unless big demand that will very unlikely happen as they have no need to probably
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DoobyDroid said:
I did get sim info from umi regarding diff chips that are built on certain version of Android v1 Android 6 V2 Android 7 they won't answer the question weather V1 can update to 7 all I got was there waiting for MediaTek to release source but unless big demand that will very unlikely happen as they have no need to probably
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Below is the info extracted from Umidigi Forum lately .......
"Quote" They said the first batch of S2 will keep on Android 6 (there will be some updates, but nothing of update to Android 7). So the second batch of S2 and the S2 Pro will come with UMI OS Android 7. Anybody received handset with android 7.0 what date are the V2 or is that just referring to the Pro , mine is due 23/11 ordered 16/11 wondered if it will be V2 model with 7.0. Seems odd 2017 handset shipping with 2015 software .... Phone i received week ago got Android 6 so its V1. That will not work on the first v1 of Umidigi S2 sadly. It's made for MT6757D (S2 v2).
How ever there are phones out there already with MT6757 (Not MT6757D) will be on Android 7.0. "Unquote"
Hope this clear some of your thoughts. Thank you.
Bit of a con from umi
Won't be keeping it long then
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Bit of a con from umi
Won't be keeping it long then
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This is what I got the reply from UMI moderator
S2 version 1 coming with Android 6 and can't be updated to higher android version.
S2 version 2 will be coming with Umidigi OS based on Android 7. Further updates are not confirmed.
S2 pro is coming with Umidigi OS based on Android 7. Further updates are not confirmed.
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Hi, i use phoe only for photos and business email, web browsing etc. It is sense to by 64gb version?
And i saw threat:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-a1/how-to/how-xiaomi-mi-a1-developed-fed-t3729559
hmm, it is need to be worry? before buy? or better is to buy A1 with MIUI? (5x)
Now i use note 4(broken now display), before cyanogen and aosp on ither phones
dromaczek said:
Hi, i use phoe only for photos and business email, web browsing etc. It is sense to by 64gb version?
And i saw threat:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-a1/how-to/how-xiaomi-mi-a1-developed-fed-t3729559
hmm, it is need to be worry? before buy? or better is to buy A1 with MIUI? (5x)
Now i use note 4(broken now display), before cyanogen and aosp on ither phones
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Go for it! You'll not regret it.
People like to be i-know-it-all... everyone knows better than everyone... how things should be done, how things should and shouldn't work and make a lot of noise about silly things.
Find a phone that no one complains about, any phone, any price, and proove me wrong!
Go for 64GB especially if You ever need (or might need) to use dual SIM.
Minimizes (maybe even eliminates?) need of extra sd-card.
dromaczek said:
Hi, i use phoe only for photos and business email, web browsing etc. It is sense to by 64gb version?
And i saw threat:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-a1/how-to/how-xiaomi-mi-a1-developed-fed-t3729559
hmm, it is need to be worry? before buy? or better is to buy A1 with MIUI? (5x)
Now i use note 4(broken now display), before cyanogen and aosp on ither phones
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Go for it and take 64gb version. It might sound like too much, but some of the data is taken by system etc, so you don't really have full 64gb for your usage. Photos and 4K videos will eat storage, install some GPS app with full Europe/US map and you have no free space with 32gb version in a blink of an eye.
Linked thread is nothing to worry about, just an exaggeration of the existing situation and unfulfilled expectations and dreams.
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unfulfilled expectations and dreams.
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i know what you mean.....
Does A1 have an official 32gb version? Afaik it only has 64gb, unlike Mi 5x which has both
Here we have it.
Get a Moto G5 Plus or G5s plus instead..
Is time to consider a new phone and I am looking at the OnePlus 7 Pro unlocked for Verizon+GSM. Would like general feedback on how easy is it to root (doesn't it require a service or can you DIY?) and overall user experience.
I currently have a Samsung 7.
How I use/configured my current phone:
Carrier: StraightTalk on the Verizon nextwork (want to stay with Verizon)
SD card is dual partitioned (1: FAT32 for increased storage, 2: EXT for internal memory)
Apps, a mix of Play Store and F-Droid apps, most important to retain:
SuperSU
Titanium Backup
LinkedSD
SManager
Nova launcher
ClockSync
AdAway
Battery Charge Limit
Any input would be appreciated!
Mark
mtbyte said:
Is time to consider a new phone and I am looking at the OnePlus 7 Pro unlocked for Verizon+GSM. Would like general feedback on how easy is it to root (doesn't it require a service or can you DIY?) and overall user experience.
I currently have a Samsung 7.
How I use/configured my current phone:
Carrier: StraightTalk on the Verizon nextwork (want to stay with Verizon)
SD card is dual partitioned (1: FAT32 for increased storage, 2: EXT for internal memory)
Apps, a mix of Play Store and F-Droid apps, most important to retain:
SuperSU
Titanium Backup
LinkedSD
SManager
Nova launcher
ClockSync
AdAway
Battery Charge Limit
Any input would be appreciated!
Mark
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When you say unlocked for... What do you mean. Where are you getting the device from?
mtbyte said:
Is time to consider a new phone and I am looking at the OnePlus 7 Pro unlocked for Verizon+GSM. Would like general feedback on how easy is it to root (doesn't it require a service or can you DIY?) and overall user experience.
I currently have a Samsung 7.
How I use/configured my current phone:
Carrier: StraightTalk on the Verizon nextwork (want to stay with Verizon)
SD card is dual partitioned (1: FAT32 for increased storage, 2: EXT for internal memory)
Apps, a mix of Play Store and F-Droid apps, most important to retain:
SuperSU
Titanium Backup
LinkedSD
SManager
Nova launcher
ClockSync
AdAway
Battery Charge Limit
Any input would be appreciated!
Mark
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If you want to buy a phone for rooting purposes, buy a Xiaomi instead of OnePlus, I made a mistake by buying OP7Pro instead of K20Pro, coz my main priority was rooting, K20 Pro would have been a better choice!
aaryan45 said:
If you want to buy a phone for rooting purposes, buy a Xiaomi instead of OnePlus, I made a mistake by buying OP7Pro instead of K20Pro, coz my main priority was rooting, K20 Pro would have been a better choice!
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What's wrong with OnePlus 7 Pro and rooting?
ayesse said:
What's wrong with OnePlus 7 Pro and rooting?
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I can't see any problems with rooting, but custom roms are a mess. They are a lot better for xiaomi devices these days which is odd as the hardware in Mi9T pro and OP7P is near identical. Maybe he meant custom roms? I seen some people use it as a synonym with rooting.
Superbia said:
I can't see any problems with rooting, but custom roms are a mess. They are a lot better for xiaomi devices these days which is odd as the hardware in Mi9T pro and OP7P is near identical. Maybe he meant custom roms? I seen some people use it as a synonym with rooting.
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I'm using Resurrection Remix and it's just perfect. It has almost no bugs, even the minor ones, and has a lot more functionalities than OOS (aside from RR customizations)
aaryan45 said:
If you want to buy a phone for rooting purposes, buy a Xiaomi instead of OnePlus, I made a mistake by buying OP7Pro instead of K20Pro, coz my main priority was rooting, K20 Pro would have been a better choice!
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I had K20 before Oneplus 7 Pro. K20 is a decent phone, but the software is horrible compare to Oxygen OS.
Hi
I'm using Cr Droid 7.0 on my OP 7Pro based on Android 11. Very sympathic![emoji3]
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I have my op7pro stock but rooted and with roms RICE, XXX, and a custom kernel. My battery life is ridiculous gracious and awesome. And rice and xxx are magisk modules that get easily flashed, and they offer the tweaks that a full custom rom would offer. But you don't have to wipe system and data at all.
It's an awesome phone with frequent updates and Android 11 coming in December.
Browse swappa for a used one and go for it.
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Hi, I like the phone but also I want to put some tweaks like 90hz display, custom roms, pixel 6 camera features(motion mode), kernels...
will we see a lot of development as in the xiaomi poco f1 or not?
thank you
If you have a Xaomi, i recommend keeping it a little longer. Roms for this devive are in a weird situation because the only 2 stable ones are calyx and graphene which arevboth great, but they are both very barebones and kind of difficult if you aren't experienced with degoogling
Twilightsparklez said:
If you have a Xaomi, i recommend keeping it a little longer. Roms for this devive are in a weird situation because the only 2 stable ones are calyx and graphene which arevboth great, but they are both very barebones and kind of difficult if you aren't experienced with degoogling
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thank you, but with the same cpu as pixel 6 and 6 pro, it will be easy to port roms from pixel 6?
charly30 said:
thank you, but with the same cpu as pixel 6 and 6 pro, it will be easy to port roms from pixel 6?
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Yes, adding Bluejay is possible. Whether developers choose to do it is another question.
Velocity will be ready for public release soon. I'm just buttoning up a few more things.
I noticed with the phones I've own, custom ROM seem to get me frequent as the phone gets older and the stock rom releases begin to vaporize. If the phone has enuff hardware power n memory AND there's no more factory support (as in many older midrange Motos). The Moto G5+ and G5S+ had active 'post' communities as did the G6...I got a G7 cuz of 4gb memory figured it'd be a big post EOL project/rom phone BUT I missed the fact that moto was following google with the whole dynamic update w/ dual A/B slots which killed our beloved TWRP custom recovery and nandrive image backup.
BUT is u weren't into rooting/tweaking then that explains why Android Police named it the #1 phone for running LOS! Esp. after Moto released thr Android 10 kernel source code!! This is the main reason I didn't sell/trade it off...and ofc my wife put one of those sky-blue 2pc cases from Poetic and claimed it! lol