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Which one of these cables support fast charging for the 6P?
I do not want to get new adapters so hopefully one of these cables are good enough
Thanks
1 - http://www.amazon.com/Yoozon®-Hi-sp...45399787&sr=8-3&keywords=usb+type+c+to+type+a
2 - http://www.amazon.com/Multi-Colour-...45399787&sr=8-4&keywords=usb+type+c+to+type+a
3 - http://www.amazon.com/iOrange-E-Bra...45399787&sr=8-7&keywords=usb+type+c+to+type+a
This one mentions this, Support the Maximum 2.4A fast charging and the speed of data sync up to 480 Mbps however I thought it needs to be 3A to support fast charging, if someone could please clarify, thanks
4 - http://www.amazon.com/NewLobo-1-met...45399787&sr=8-6&keywords=usb+type+c+to+type+a
5 - http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters...45399787&sr=8-8&keywords=usb+type+c+to+type+a
6 - http://www.amazon.com/JOTO-Standard...5399787&sr=8-11&keywords=usb+type+c+to+type+a
None of them will. You might get close to 2 amps if you are lucky, but no Type-A port will support Type-C fast charging. While cable quality matters, its more dependant on the load the phone can draw from the charger.
See: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63220997&postcount=1
Continuing off what Elnrik said, you can still go ahead and buy yourself some generic quality USB A to USB C cables (see one plus cables for quality and value). You'll get pretty standard old charge rates through them but they are better than nothing in a pinch, for the time being, unless you want to replace all your old adapters.
I know you said Amazon, but Google sells an a to c cable capable of 5v/3a
https://store.google.com/product/usb_type_c_to_usb_standard_a_plug_cable
Currently out of stock though
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I am trying to find one as well that will do 3A/5W. So far I have found this one that according to the description will do it.
http://www.amazon.com/Rankie®-Hi-sp...29503&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=usb-c+cable&psc=1
heleos said:
I know you said Amazon, but Google sells an a to c cable capable of 5v/3a
https://store.google.com/product/usb_type_c_to_usb_standard_a_plug_cable
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I really don't know what Google are playing at with the spec for that cable. There's no way in the world a USB Type-A 2.0 cable can deliver 3A. You absolutely need Type-C end to end to achieve that.
If I'm wrong, I'm gonna look like a right chump. But I haven't been ravenously soaking up info on this topic for nothing!
krazyq said:
Which one of these cables support fast charging for the 6P?
I do not want to get new adapters so hopefully one of these cables are good enough
Thanks
1 - http://www.amazon.com/Yoozon®-Hi-sp...45399787&sr=8-3&keywords=usb+type+c+to+type+a
2 - http://www.amazon.com/Multi-Colour-...45399787&sr=8-4&keywords=usb+type+c+to+type+a
3 - http://www.amazon.com/iOrange-E-Bra...45399787&sr=8-7&keywords=usb+type+c+to+type+a
This one mentions this, Support the Maximum 2.4A fast charging and the speed of data sync up to 480 Mbps however I thought it needs to be 3A to support fast charging, if someone could please clarify, thanks
4 - http://www.amazon.com/NewLobo-1-met...45399787&sr=8-6&keywords=usb+type+c+to+type+a
5 - http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters...45399787&sr=8-8&keywords=usb+type+c+to+type+a
6 - http://www.amazon.com/JOTO-Standard...5399787&sr=8-11&keywords=usb+type+c+to+type+a
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With the Nexus 6P, none of them. It is not the cable, but the 6P that is the culprit. All those cables will actually support 5V/3A. For some bizarre reason, Google designed the charging system in the 6P around the Type C spec (the spec for a connector) and not around the USB Power Delivery Spec, but then used the configuration channel in USB Type C which eliminates the possibility of using Type A to Type C for putting 5V/3A into the 6P. Even Apple respects USB Power Delivery in the MacBook Pro.
I think Google's mistake (or at least foolish decision) will become apparent next year when the next Nexus phones (and a lot of other laptops, tablets and phones) have Type C, but not 5V/3A and instead support more standard power like 5V/2A and 12V/1.5A. There is a reason Qualcom chose those 2 combinations for Quick Charge 2.0. They didn't pull them out of their butt like Google.
To me, not having the device in my hands, is the biggest single disappointment with the phone. Don't get me wrong, even 5V/1.5A is decent power for charging a phone. Guess the other disappointment also centers around the implementation of Type C and not allowing HDMI via the Type C connector which it was expressly designed to do.
dwswager said:
With the Nexus 6P, none of them. It is not the cable, but the 6P that is the culprit. All those cables will actually support 5V/3A. For some bizarre reason, Google designed the charging system in the 6P around the Type C spec (the spec for a connector) and not around the USB Power Delivery Spec, but then used the configuration channel in USB Type C which eliminates the possibility of using Type A to Type C for putting 5V/3A into the 6P. Even Apple respects USB Power Delivery in the MacBook Pro.
I think Google's mistake (or at least foolish decision) will become apparent next year when the next Nexus phones (and a lot of other laptops, tablets and phones) have Type C, but not 5V/3A and instead support more standard power like 5V/2A and 12V/1.5A. There is a reason Qualcom chose those 2 combinations for Quick Charge 2.0. They didn't pull them out of their butt like Google.
To me, not having the device in my hands, is the biggest single disappointment with the phone. Don't get me wrong, even 5V/1.5A is decent power for charging a phone. Guess the other disappointment also centers around the implementation of Type C and not allowing HDMI via the Type C connector which it was expressly designed to do.
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Wow super lame...
So I'm going to have to buy new type adapters
(wall and car charger) and new type c to c cables?
I have the Moto X Pure right and the only reason I'm getting the 6P is cos of the battery and camera which I'm hoping to be better.
Snarklife said:
I really don't know what Google are playing at with the spec for that cable. There's no way in the world a USB Type-A 2.0 cable can deliver 3A. You absolutely need Type-C end to end to achieve that.
If I'm wrong, I'm gonna look like a right chump. But I haven't been ravenously soaking up info on this topic for nothing!
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I would tend to agree with you, and the other people that have researched the actual USB spec, but I feel like it's this was an error, they would realize it quickly and change it. The hire some smaht people at Google
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Snarklife said:
I really don't know what Google are playing at with the spec for that cable. There's no way in the world a USB Type-A 2.0 cable can deliver 3A. You absolutely need Type-C end to end to achieve that.
If I'm wrong, I'm gonna look like a right chump. But I haven't been ravenously soaking up info on this topic for nothing!
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Don't confuse the cable's capability to handle 3A with what the SPEC allows. A Type A to Type C cable can actually handle 3A. Both connectors can do it. Even a Micro B can do 3A. The Spec does not support it. And here is the big issue. The spec, both original and the newer ones including USB-PD are set up for simultaneous power and data. For a charger, we are only worried with power and data speed/corruption is not an issue.
USB PD allows 60W (20V/3A) through micro B and100W (20V/5A) through standard A and B. It requires specially 'marked' cables which will be a little beefier than standard 2.0 cables. But the connectors can handle it.
So what is the solution?
Get new car and wall chargers only usb type c cables?
Okay, this is interesting. So, if the cable and both the A and C connectors can both handle 5/3, could you plug this cable into a block that pushes out 5/3 via a female A port and achieve maximum charge velocity?
That goes against what so many have said - that you need C to C - but I'd be delighted to hear it.
EDIT: Just saw @dwswager's post. What he said.
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USB TYPE-A has standards not specs, limitations are grounded in physics not words and it is possible for a USB type A to deliver 3A with lower Ohms at 5v with the right power adapter/hub.
USB 2.0 refers to Data rates not charge rates.
Bonus: 3A 5V is one of the Quick Charge Class A power standards for C to C even if 6P isnt yet certified for it. Could be Google pushing for an A to C 3A to 5V Quick Charge USB Class?
Snarklife said:
I really don't know what Google are playing at with the spec for that cable. There's no way in the world a USB Type-A 2.0 cable can deliver 3A. You absolutely need Type-C end to end to achieve that.
If I'm wrong, I'm gonna look like a right chump. But I haven't been ravenously soaking up info on this topic for nothing!
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heleos said:
I would tend to agree with you, and the other people that have researched the actual USB spec, but I feel like it's this was an error, they would realize it quickly and change it. The hire some smaht people at Google
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I think the conversation over USB "specs" has been misconstrued. What people are looking at are USB standards. Standards are not limits. They are heavily optimized guidelines for creating compatibility and uniformity with as many devices as possible and to protect as many devices as possible from accidental burnout.
USB 2.0 Data rate does not prevent a USB A port from having a 3.1 or similar charging configuration.
As is already clear, Google is not following USB charging standards of any kind with the 6P and noted by @dwswager.
It is entirely possibly to throw 3a INTO a USB A standard cable; ampere limitation isnt the problem USB 3.1 standards for USB A do it perfectly fine but at 3a 12v(4ohm), which is a higher ohm set up than with 3a 5v(1.67ohm). We also know that USB 3.1 standards allow for 2a 5v (2.5ohm), which is even closer to the 3a 5v set up. .The standards are set at those points because the lower the ohms the great the heat created, think of it like a welder, or a sub-ohm vaporizer.
Note that the size of the USB 3.1 pin size don't change due to the change in ohms. What is likely changing is the conducting material and size of the transmission wire.
Most 2a 5v cables run cool because the cable is a 2.5ohm resistance cable and its getting fed precisely 2a, as very carefully designed, which then makes that cable a "5v" (2.5ohm x 2a) cable. A 3a 5v cable would hence need to have a lower resistance of 1.67ohm, which is higher conduction, likely from a more optimized conduit throughout.
The cable can exist under Huawei/ Google's unique of standard setup.
Thing is, nobody as part of the USB standards have ever said you CANNOT put 3a through a USB Type A, but also nobody outside of chinese ebay sales sell anything with USB A that puts out 3a at 5v right now (Google for it, they exist. Wouldn't recommend buying one).
Bonus from Google CS (Source: http://www.droid-life.com/2015/10/19/nexus-6p-nexus-5x-quick-charge/#comment-2315607310):
"Currently, the Nexus 6P isn't listed on Qualcomm's list of devices
that have been tested and certified to be compatible with Qualcomm Quick Charge
2.0 chargers, so I can't say with 100% certainty yet. This is something that can
change the longer the Nexus 6P is out on the market and is tested for
compatibility and interoperability."
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Snarklife said:
Okay, this is interesting. So, if the cable and both the A and C connectors can both handle 5/3, could you plug this cable into a block that pushes out 5/3 via a female A port and achieve maximum charge velocity?
That goes against what so many have said - that you need C to C - but I'd be delighted to hear it.
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Turns out electrical engineering and understanding takes more than misconstruing USB standards as specs.
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Turns out electrical engineering and understanding takes more than misconstruing USB standards as specs.
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I have been fighting this corner since the day of the announcement, I am glad to hear someone else say it. There is absolutely nothing about USB Type-C that has any effect on wall chargers and the amount of current it can draw, and equally nothing stopping Type-A from providing aforementioned current / voltage. What it needs its a cable that can handle it (like the offical Google one), and a wall charger that will provide it, simple as that.
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I have been fighting this corner since the day of the announcement, I am glad to hear someone else say it. There is absolutely nothing about USB Type-C that has any effect on wall chargers and the amount of current it can draw, and equally nothing stopping Type-A from providing aforementioned current / voltage. What it needs its a cable that can handle it (like the offical Google one), and a wall charger that will provide it, simple as that.
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Thank God! Realism
If under USB-PD Profile 5, Type A can handle 20V/5A, why people think it can't handle 5V/3A is a mystery. The question has been will the phone accept it with an undetectable (to the Type C device) Type A to Type C cable by the 6P. The answer appears to be yes it can.
dwswager said:
Thank God! Realism
If under USB-PD Profile 5, Type A can handle 20V/5A, why people think it can't handle 5V/3A is a mystery. The question has been will the phone accept it with an undetectable (to the Type C device) Type A to Type C cable by the 6P. The answer appears to be yes it can.
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I've bought the cable I linked to from Google (it has already turned up) and I have bought a car charger that claims to output 3A/5V so I will be testing as soon as my device turns up. The car charger wasn't cheap, but it has been rebranded a lot so it's 50/50 as to whether or not it will hold up to it's claim. It has a type-C port as well so I can at least check they output the same.
@vido.ardes @dwswager. If what I quoted earlier from G CS is correct and the Nexus 6P hopefully-perhaps-maybe gets certified by Qualcomm for Quick Charge, and google updates the kernel to enable it then we'll have the entire world of Qualcomm certified 3A Quick Chargers at our disposal. Its a hope.
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@vido.ardes @dwswager. If what I quoted earlier from G CS is correct and the Nexus 6P hopefully-perhaps-maybe gets certified by Qualcomm for Quick Charge, and google updates the kernel to enable it then we'll have the entire world of Qualcomm certified 3A Quick Chargers at our disposal. Its a hope.
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Not sure how it would get certified. QC 2.0 takes an extra chip in the device and the 810 SOC is not QC3.0 certified.
dwswager said:
Not sure how it would get certified. QC 2.0 takes an extra chip in the device and the 810 SOC is not QC3.0 certified.
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You're right regarding QC 3.0.. however:
Check out the 5x teardown.. it has a QC 2.0 quick charge chip: http://9to5google.com/2015/10/22/nexus-5x-teardown-repairability/
Chances that the 6P has the same.. high...
theTqM said:
You're right regarding QC 3.0.. however:
Check out the 5x teardown.. it has a QC 2.0 quick charge chip: http://9to5google.com/2015/10/22/nexus-5x-teardown-repairability/
Chances that the 6P has the same.. high...
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That's interesting!
All this charging crap could have been avoided if Google would have just spent 30 seconds explaining it. I suspect that they used Type C and designed the circuit to take 3A and wanted to call that fast charging without having to actually implement a fast charging solution.
If I had the 6P in my hands I would get a few chargers:
Google Captive (5V/3A)
A Type C 5V/3A
A Type A 5V/3A (or the ASUS Transformer charger with micro B and a micro B to C adapter.
A 5V/1A charger.
Then with phone less than 10% charged plug them in and check the current draw. All of them should be somewhere close to the Nominal rated current output.
Then with the phone above 90% charged, plug them up again and they all should be drawing about the same current because the current draw should be well below the rated current of all the chargers.
Figured we could help each other with links.... I've looked and looked and found very few.
I'll try to keep the op updated with subsequent links.
Note: this is ONLY for true type C cables (both ends)
Anker- $10. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0119OI9XU/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_apInwbS1XSHX0
For Canadians, this is the best deal.
http://m.ebay.ca/itm/221887432883?_mwBanner=1
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i bought this in canada. extra couple bux and prime so id be here in a couple days.
http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B012A5RRIA?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
I just found this on Amazon after searching for days for a 10ft / 3m cable.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0144FGUEQ
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This is another 10ft / 3m cable from Aukey, but quite a bit more expensive:
http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Aukey-Extra-Charging-MacBook/dp/B0168IJBWA/
Any good Type A to Type C cables? - for using with my car's USB ports or my PC's USB ports
or
Type B to Type C adapters? - for using with my old microUSB cables
Type A to C, you can get a pretty cheap and good looking 4 pack of the ORZLY ones, I posted some pics of them a couple of weeks ago.
RED ZMAN said:
Type A to C, you can get a pretty cheap and good looking 4 pack of the ORZLY ones, I posted some pics of them a couple of weeks ago.
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Careful with them. Have you seen this review?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member...age=1&sort_by=MostRecentReview#R1189CCK1UXGT5
No, that was posted well after I bought and received them.
Hmm, perhaps it is time to see if I can return them. Still have the original packaging.
With all these high power requirements I think we need to be careful what we buy. We know certain parts of the world will cut corners to make a quick buck at the expense of frying our hardware.
I'll stay with the cables that come in the box for now, until we have more choices, though I'm hurting for a cable for the car.
sirxdroid said:
With all these high power requirements I think we need to be careful what we buy. We know certain parts of the world will cut corners to make a quick buck at the expense of frying our hardware.
I'll stay with the cables that come in the box for now, until we have more choices, though I'm hurting for a cable for the car.
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+1
Aside from my OnePlus cables, I'm not messing with these no name brands on eBay and Amazon trying to make a quick buck.
sirxdroid said:
With all these high power requirements I think we need to be careful what we buy. We know certain parts of the world will cut corners to make a quick buck at the expense of frying our hardware.
I'll stay with the cables that come in the box for now, until we have more choices, though I'm hurting for a cable for the car.
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I've tried compiling and researching as much info on the topic as I could. http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/usb-type-c-vs-usb-3-0-3-1-vs-usb-2-0-t3221676
Hope it helps, and if I left anything out, let me know.
Elnrik said:
I've tried compiling and researching as much info on the topic as I could. http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/usb-type-c-vs-usb-3-0-3-1-vs-usb-2-0-t3221676
Hope it helps, and if I left anything out, let me know.
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Absolutely! Thank you for putting all the work into it. Very much appreciated.
Was able to get my ORZLY 4 pack cables refunded given the recent USB C specification complaince concerns(they are currently shipped; hopefully i still get them? lol)
For Canadian buyers, found this:
Fanshop® USB-C USB 3.1 Type C Male to 3.0 Type A Male Data Fast Charge Charging Cable
on Amazon.ca $4.29 with free shipping
-Sorry cant post links yet: Product ID B016ZTAOG4
Quite enticing. Not sure how much I trust them. Will probably wait until more get released.
Jraphe said:
Fanshop® USB-C USB 3.1 Type C Male to 3.0 Type A Male Data Fast Charge Charging Cable
on Amazon.ca $4.29 with free shipping
-Sorry cant post links yet: Product ID B016ZTAOG4
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Those connectors look bulky. Could be problematic with a case on the phone.
Jraphe said:
Was able to get my ORZLY 4 pack cables refunded given the recent USB C specification complaince concerns(they are currently shipped; hopefully i still get them? lol)
For Canadian buyers, found this:
Fanshop® USB-C USB 3.1 Type C Male to 3.0 Type A Male Data Fast Charge Charging Cable
on Amazon.ca $4.29 with free shipping
-Sorry cant post links yet: Product ID B016ZTAOG4
Quite enticing. Not sure how much I trust them. Will probably wait until more get released.
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tempted. I need cables and adaptors like yesterday lol.
Please post if you find anything good for the car. Either a new type C charger and type C at both ends cable or a type C to type A cable that works well and doesn't fry anything. I have a Scosche 2.4A type A charger in the car which I think should be good enough provided I can find a good cable.
sirxdroid said:
Please post if you find anything good for the car. Either a new type C charger and type C at both ends cable or a type C to type A cable that works well and doesn't fry anything. I have a Scosche 2.4A type A charger in the car which I think should be good enough provided I can find a good cable.
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Look for a cable that states USB 2.0 and 2.4A charging. At least those will work with the car charger you have without frying it. I think I saw one by iOrange on Amazon.
Found it: http://amzn.com/B010VFFSL4
Read the review on that one too. =)
Elnrik said:
Look for a cable that states USB 2.0 and 2.4A charging. At least those will work with the car charger you have without frying it. I think I saw one by iOrange on Amazon.
Found it: http://amzn.com/B010VFFSL4
Read the review on that one too. =)
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Thanks! Does USB 2.0 really matter in this case if all I'm using it for is charging? I doubt these car chargers have any smarts in them to negotiate anything on the data pins, but maybe I'm wrong. I used charge only cables (from PortaPow) in the past with great success and from what I understand they only have 2 wires inside for the power pins.
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Thanks! Does USB 2.0 really matter in this case if all I'm using it for is charging? I doubt these car chargers have any smarts in them to negotiate anything on the data pins, but maybe I'm wrong. I used charge only cables (from PortaPow) in the past with great success and from what I understand they only have 2 wires inside for the power pins.
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Yes. As I understand it: The phone checks the cable and sees the 56kΩ pullup (resistor) built in the wire, so it uses the USB BC2.1 protocol over the Type-C USB 2.0 pins/wires to negotiate for the 2.4A charging. I pretty sure that's the process anyway.
To simplify it: The phone checks the cable for what kind of cable it is. It sees the resistor saying it's a legacy usb cable. It then negotiates w/ the charger using legacy usb charging specs to get the appropriate current.
I emailed PortaPow and they said they would have their *charge only* cables in 4-6 weeks. Both C to C and A to C. I pointed them to the Google engineer's reviews to make sure their cables are compliant and also asked them to put a slim USB C connector on them so that it fits through cases. LOL. We'll see what they come up with.
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Elnrik said:
Yes. As I understand it: The phone checks the cable and sees the 56kΩ pullup (resistor) built in the wire, so it uses the USB BC2.1 protocol over the Type-C USB 2.0 pins/wires to negotiate for the 2.4A charging. I pretty sure that's the process anyway.
To simplify it: The phone checks the cable for what kind of cable it is. It sees the resistor saying it's a legacy usb cable. It then negotiates w/ the charger using legacy usb charging specs to get the appropriate current.
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Thanks! Makes sense. I just hope it's enough to still add some charge to the battery while the phone is on running GPS/Waze and streaming music via Bluetooth. I faced a problem with my old N5 where the battery was going down while plugged in in the car, turns out the cable I was using (and thought to be of high quality OEM) could only deliver 600mA and the phone was using a bit over 800mA.
If an A to C cable can at least maintain the phone charge with the screen on, I'm OK for now until better solutions come along.
http://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerCore-Ultra-Compact-VoltageBoost-Technology/dp/B014ZO46LK
USB-C port charging at 5V/2.4A not 3A
Edit: I received this email from Anker today: "Thank you for getting back to us.
We would like to help you confirm the information. The output current of the external battery is 6A, Here are the specific output current information.
One USB C output port: 3A Two Power iq output port: 3A for two ports.
Meanwhile, please be noted that one USB-C port in the external battery is both output port and input port. When you use the port to recharge itself, the input current is 2.4A. When you use the port to charge other device, it's output 3A.
Please let us know if you need any other help. Thank you!"
So it's looks like the USB-C port output is 3A
fail ...........
Is that the current rating for a macbook? Doesn't really specify the exact outputs...
The photo on Amazon seems to shows a MacBook being connected to a Type-A port on the Anker. The actual cable goes off the screen, but that's what is implied.
The description on Amazon says that the Anker comes with a Type-A to Type-C cable and a Type-A to micro-B cable. It does not come with a TYpe-C to Type-C cable or a charger.
Based on this, it seems like the type-C port is only for charging the Anker itself. The OUTPUTS on the Anker are the two Type-A ports. Hopefully my assumptions are wrong. Hopefully the Type-C port on this guy is capable of power transfer in both directions.
Got my RAVPower a couple weeks ago and has USB-C 5V at 3A and QC2.0 output for 36$. Don't have my 6P yet to try but RAVPower is solid. I'll check it out then.
Just an FYI, I called Anker support yesterday and they confirmed the USB C output is 5V/2.4A. Could still be an error but not encouraging.
Would really like some clear answers from Anker, pity their website still says coming soon for this product. really limiting.
I'd jump the gun and get it and report back, but given I'm down under, shopping cost and time would make my efforts kind of redundant....anyone keen to do it in the continental US? I'd even kick in $10 towards the confirmation cause.
yeah, honestly glad I snagged the RAVpower. More options on how to charge other devices AND more options on how to charge the battery itself
RAVPower can offer 5V/3A. That one will be more great.
Update says output from Anker's is indeed 3A like we need, what are you guys missing?
Also, ravpower says 2.4 output so why is that one better? Am I looking at the wrong model?
MYxdaUSERNAME said:
Update says output from Anker's is indeed 3A like we need, what are you guys missing?
Also, ravpower says 2.4 output so why is that one better? Am I looking at the wrong model?
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That 2.4 on the ravpower is the Qualcomm quick charge port not the USB-C port. I've got the ravpower in hand and its printed on it that it's 3A in and out from the USB-C. And it's been verified as compliant by the Google engineer
crazyg0od33 said:
That 2.4 on the ravpower is the Qualcomm quick charge port not the USB-C port. I've got the ravpower in hand and its printed on it that it's 3A in and out from the USB-C. And it's been verified as compliant by the Google engineer
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I got a question here, since type c port supports input and output, when i connects 2 type c port on power banks, which one will be charged, and which one will be discharged?
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I got a question here, since type c port supports input and output, when i connects 2 type c port on power banks, which one will be charged, and which one will be discharged?
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well this one charges the phone and only charges itself via USB-C if plugged into the wall or another charging device. I'm not sure how it knows, but it charges my phone with no issues and no extra steps
*VERIFIED* & *TRUSTED* List of (USB-A to USB-C) cables and (USB-C to USB-C) Cables
I'm creating thread in a Q/A style so that y'all can contribute to the list.
The answers which earn the highest votes will become the most elevated answer... (hopefully that means this is the most trusted USB cable)
I am very bothered by the LIES we have been sold, specifically, buying USB cables which advertise USB Type-C Specifications, and then it turns out they are not USB Type-C Specifications.
Look at this review by Google Software Engineer, telling us about these Fake USB Type-C cables that many of us have purchased.
http://www.amazon.com/review/R1189CCK1UXGT5/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm
Let us post trustworthy, verified, USB-C cables so that we know which ones are SAFE to buy...
Here are some recommended cables by Benson Leung himself (the first 7 listed here), Including other Trusted cables in list below:
1) http://www.monoprice.com/pages/usb_31_type_c
2) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010VFFU1W/ref=cm_cd_asin_lnk
3) http://www.amazon.com/FRiEQ-Hi-speed-USB-Type-Cable/dp/B010EXRTXI/
4) http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Chromebook-MacBook-Compatible-Devices/dp/B00WJSPFOW/
5) http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0119EIHTG/
6) http://www.amazon.com/Nekteck-Charging-Reversible-MacBook-OnePlus/dp/B00VIWE1ZY/
7) http://www.amazon.com/USB-Type-cable-USB-C-USB3-0/dp/B0162ISBEU
8) https://store.google.com/product/usb_type_c_to_usb_standard_a_plug_cable
9) https://store.google.com/product/usb_c_usb_c
WARNING: Just because your USB cable charges your Nexus 6P, and the lock screen says 'Charging Rapidly', does NOT mean that the USB cable is configured to USB Type-C Specifications... This thread is only for verified or trusted sources from where we can buy USB Type-C Cables
Special Thanks to @xur17 for creating this website http://usbccompliant.com/
Please upvote, any other trusted, verified cables posted by commentators in this thread!
Apparently, even the One+ cables, despite being from a 1st party phone maker, even those are NOT using the correct USB Type-C configurations !!!!
as mentioned here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=63653584#post63653584
@slickromeo
One+ cables are deliberately not following USB Type-C standards.
(As far as I'm aware) they are configured to work optimally with One+ products.
I have multimeter. Where exactly would one test to see if the resistor used in 56 kΩ?
I'd imagine one would have to cut open the connector and visually verify the existence of the resistor. I think there would be too much variables involved to just connect the multimeter to a couple of pins, but I could be wrong.
EDIT: NVM
Benson Leung1:30 PM
+Eric Hawkins Unfortunately since USB Type-C is such a new standard, at this point you sort of need some specialized equipment. I've been using this, which is publicly available on Amazon as well : https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/twinkie
If you have a Chromebook Pixel 2015 in dev mode, there's some simple terminal commands I can share that can verify if a cable is good or bad.
I'm going to work on seeing if there's anything I can do on the Android side as well, maybe a battery charging statistics app.
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If you discover a method to verifying these cables ourselves, which is easy enough for the average user, please let us know !
I'm confused on the One Plus cables - they say they are 2A cables on their website, not 3A. So if they are only pulling 2A and im using 1.8A blackberry charger, how is that harmful to my phone? I guess in other words, how can I still use the One Plus cable with a charger safely?
I have these cables http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01...cm_cd_asin_lnk and I did not get the charging rapidy . Not sure if these work I will try again tonight or tomorrow. These cable worked fine http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0119DC9O6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00 with this charger http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0122P71FC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00
Hey guys I'm in the process of setting up a store specific to Type-C products (type-c.io - not up yet). I'm in talks with supplies from Asia about getting the correct cables and was wondering what would you guys pay for cables shipped from North America?
@xray49er when you say you got the cable listed at http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010VFFU1W/ref=cm_cd_asin_lnk and it did not rapid charge your Nexus 6P, where you using the stock charger included with your Nexus 6P ?
@xray49er
Edit #2, I Purchased a 5V/3A car charger that only charged at 1.7amps (false advertising), are you certain that the charger you purchased is truly 5V/3A? test multiple cables, together with the GSam Battery Monitor app to see how many amps its charging
@slickromeo No because this is a usb A to C cable so I used a fast charging chrager that was 5v/3a. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0122P71FC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
All the cables in question are designed like the OnePlus USB-C cables, Basically if your using a device that doesn't charge at 3A you have nothing to worry about
Anyone tried the cable matters ones?
They have a usb 3 to usb type c cable
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cable-Matte...=8-6&keywords=cable+matters+usb+3.0+to+type+c
Hi guys, I'm looking at these cables.
It has a data sheet, is it possible to tell by this whether its in spec?
Everyone, once again, remember that there's NO WAY to tell if the USB A-C cable is compliant by just plugging it in.
It's pretty complex.
The Google Engineer wrote how to do it: https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts/jGP5249NppF
I bought these:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00S8GU544?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s01
I have no issues with them...And the guy from Google didn't review them. They also seem to be on the "compatibility list", based on the description of the item at least.
I've been playing around with the Android App Ampere - I'm wondering if it might be possible to identify bad cables based on the charging rate - based on this post, they should be 2A, not 3A. If you compare the power usage before and during charging, you can deduce the charging rate.
On another note - I'm putting together a database of usb-c compliant cables here to help people find compliant usb cables. I'm primarily focusing on usb-a to usb-c cables as that's where the biggest issues appear to exist. Right now the listings are based on Benson's reviews, but I'm planning to expand it to include additional cables once I find an accurate way to test cables.
I bought these awhile back:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0118NUJIK?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00S8GU544?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00
Would like to know how to test this without a Pixel...
You got your links messed up. FRiEQ links to Belin and vice versa.
It lists "USB Fast Charging @ 5V 3A" in the description, so it's unlikely to pass by Benson Leung's assertions that cables that list 3 amp charging speed typically don't adhere to the spec.
I recently received a CHOETECH USB A-C Cable with Current Voltage Monitor for review and I have got to say its come in really handy so far.
I've always wondered just how much current I was getting from my many chargers that all claimed to be up to 2.4A. I know from there various different charge times that they weren't all providing what they marketed at. This tool has come in really handy for helping me weed out the good chargers from the bad.
Before anyone comments that this cable wont allow my nexus 6p to charge at the 3A that it is capable of I know this already, but this cable has allowed me to test me standard USB-A port powerbanks and car chargers that I still use with USB A-C cables. I know USB-C equivalents are available but I don't see the point in replacing my old chargers for the benefit of 600mA.
The CHOETECH cable comes in a nicely presented package that gives basic info about the product.
The cable is neatly coiled up using rubber bands to keep it safe in transit and the instructions that come with it are both clear and concise.
Using that cable is as easy as just plugging it in and it works straight away, alternating between voltage and current.
I found this cable to be alot more accurate than apps that I have tried to use in the past giving me results that I would expect to see from the charging device I was using.
Usings a mains adapter gave me the best charging current while a cheap nasty car charger gave me very poor current but I suspected this from my charge times. Apps I had used in the past gave me very unreliable results so I am glad I've bow got this cable.
I'll definitely get my use out of this.
On a side note, even without the volt/ammeter this is still a very good quality charging cable and it doesn't interfere with data transfers. I would definitely recommend to anyone interested.
If anyone in the UK is interested in one if these cables or the Micro USB equivalent I've got some discount codes that reduce the price down to £6 which is a bargain for these cables.
USB C Cable with Current Voltage Monitor (3.3ft)
Code: 5M9WY7AX (price:£6)
Link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01MTX38LW
Micro USB Cable with Current Voltage Monitor (3.3ft)
Code: 5M9WY7AX (price:£6)
Link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01MYW7GZ3
Hope someone can make use of these.
Great stuff, thanks for the post faybarn. I just bought one of their USB-A to USB-C cables (without current / voltage monitor though).
is there any other options on this that's available to ebay or aliexpress???