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The Battle of the Verizon S3's
Verizon S3 (Locked Bootloader)
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Verizon S3 Dev. Edition
Note: Do NOT include color/storage size as a factor, we're assuming both colors and 16/32 are available for each version.
We are also assuming that the customer in question has not bought the S3 yet (Though many of you have, and your situation would requre you selling the S3 to get the Dev Edition, please assume this is prior to any purchases).
Verizon S3:
Pros:
Larger Dev community (tons more people will have the phone)
Cheaper (200/250 vs 600/650)
Available now
Dev. Edition:
Pros:
Unlocked Bootloader (Custom Kernels/Full ROMS available without need for Kexec workaround)
No Contract (Costs more, but bought off of contract)
Comments are MUCH appreciated.
Also, here is some information that is already known (need not be re-stated):
Verizon is NOT releasing an unlock-ready software update, they have confirmed it is false.
There is NO timeline or guarantee that the S3 bootloader will be cracked. Most likely, a workaround is the best we'll get, not a full unlock
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You can currently install ROMS on the S3, but you cannot have all the features (Kernel features) along with the ROM. Due to the kernel wiping the custom recovery, you have to choose between the ROM or the kernel, both cannot be had.
Boardwalk30 said:
There is NO timeline or guarantee that the S3 bootloader will be cracked. Most likely, a workaround is the best we'll get, not a full unlock
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A workaround already exists (kexec) and it has/is being put into practice.
For example, read:
https://plus.google.com/app/plus/mp...qzjybns3xad04cc5q4knbyjh4hprg0k&view=activity
If things continue like they have been since the S3's launch, there won't be any need for the average consumer who wants custom ROMs to shell out money for the Developer Edition.
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You can currently install ROMS on the S3, but you cannot have all the features (Kernel features) along with the ROM. Due to the kernel wiping the custom recovery, you have to choose between the ROM or the kernel, both cannot be had.
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That is just misinformation. We knew from the kexec proof-of-concept we could feasibly put AOSP on the S3, assuming things like the RIL were cracked (supposedly it has been).
Since that point there was no question that we could have custom ROMs with custom kernels- just that it might be a pain to install them and potentially rebooting requiring reflashing the kernel, etc. As you can see from the link I posted above, this is almost a non-issue now.
Also the warranty on the developers edition is only 30 days at the most or until you load custom firmware whichever comes first. LOL that kicks it for me.
My question is who will be providing updates for the developer edition? Samsung?
I ask because Verizon stated in a future update it will unlock the sim card to be able to use it overseas and such. My cousin is deciding on getting the S3 and might buy the unlocked bootloader one but not sure if that already has the unlocked sim or will be available afterwards
A lot of the developers are refusing to work on the S3 developer version due to the fact they are making more money on what should be open source.
There is and will be more support for the vzw version. (I believe)
We have a lot of talented people in these forums!
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the developer edition will run all the stuff the other us carriers will
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I am on the same boat except I don't have an option of buying the on-contract phone since I signed up only in March with an iPhone 4S (already sold).
So for me, I am either going to pay $500-550 buying a locked S3 off Craigslist or pay $600 + tax to Sammy for the Dev edition. And, the locked one is now vs Dev edition is who knows when. Meanwhile, I am beating up an ancient HTC Eris :cyclops:
Well I just read the page and now it says the warranty is 1 year, so I am back in. Return the 16gig ive got and buy a 32gig direct from samsung. sweet.
I think this has to be the worst marketing move ever made. This just give programmers a bigger incentive to hack their phones instead of paying 3 times as much. Selling an optional development version to developers who are knowledgable about android and exploits is probably not the best idea. Also, it sounds like there is already a viable work around so, Verizon is probably manufacturing phones that will never fly off the shelf. I pity da foo.
Dev edition is blue only (both 16gb and 32gb) according to samsung's site. Think this is a big negative.
Samsung is not doing this to sell phones. There doing it because they did not want people completely screwed by Verizon. They did not Jack the price by any means. It's actually less than what Verizon will sell it without contact. Samsung only wanted you to have a choice. Verizon are the scumbags. Samsung just needs to grow some balls in its dealing with the scumbag carriers
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Hilbe said:
Dev edition is blue only (both 16gb and 32gb) according to samsung's site. Think this is a big negative.
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I can understand the colour being a preference but a big negative? Really?
Considering the speed that the workarounds have been moving at the only advantage of the developer would seem to be no contract. That's about it.
The Verizon GS3 has more support lol.
I unless you are going to lose your unlimited data, just get the VZW GS3 and use the k exec exploit.
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The Verizon GS3 has more support lol.
I unless you are going to lose your unlimited data, just get the VZW GS3 and use the k exec exploit.
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Hi all,
We need an aboot image from a developer unlocked bootloader Verizon S3, If you have one can you dumb the aboot image for us?
buhohitr said:
Hi all,
We need an aboot image from a developer unlocked bootloader Verizon S3, If you have one can you dumb the aboot image for us?
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Sorry I don't. I'll ask around though. Good luck
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Sorry I don't. I'll ask around though. Good luck
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Thanks, appreciated!!
I'm die for an upgrade and my note 2 recently decided to become a paper weight. So in back on my s3.
So, is the s6 worth waiting for to look at or should I just get the note 4? I like the size of the note obviously but I see it can't be rooted yet (or ever). The s6 seems nice but I don't like the non removable battery and no sd slot.
So what's your guys opinion? (I'm on Verizon if that makes any difference)
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I(I'm on Verizon if that makes any difference)
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Yeah, that makes a metric sh!tton of difference. Verizon is notorious for being unfriendly towards developers/hacking, particularly with Samsung phones. Locked bootloaders, impossible root, etc. They're pulling this crap on the S5 and Note 4, so you can be damned well assured their S6 will forever remain a locked, bloatware ridden, obnoxious hunkajunk that needs to update NFL Mobile very other goddamed frigging day. The Note 4 won't be any different.
If you want freedom, go with T-Mobile. Unlocked bootloaders (mostly, not always) and/or rootable, and always the option of carrier unlocked phones. AT&T has better coverage though, and unlocked GSM phones will work on their networks too, but their plans aren't as good as T-Mobile's. Depends on what you need: better coverage or better value.
I used to flash a new Rom at least once a week and try put everything on my droid x and s3. Once I got my note 2 I slowed down a lot since the performance was pretty good. I just found a Rom that worked and stuck with it for the most part.
Unfortunately the only other carrier that gets halfway decent service where I'm at 99% of the time is at&t. So its between those 2. And I already have 3 lines on Verizon so I might as well stick with them.
The the note 4 root bounty is up over $16,000 which is crazy so I think eventually we'll see root for it, at least i hope.
I am still torn between the two phones though.
Lets just assume both will stay locked and not rooted, which do you feel would be the better choice
Well ill be getting a note 4 tomorrow. Best but has it for $199 so that basically set the deal for me.
I played around with my fathers note 3 and forgot how much I liked the big screen of the note.
And the above post made me realize that the chances of the s6 being unlockable and rootable are slim to none I might as well just get the note.
I considered the nexus 6, but the non removable battery and no sd card is a deal breaker. Plus I honestly never really could like pure vanilla android for more than a few days. Call me crazy but I actually like touchwiz.
I'm posting from my note 4. It's very nice and will definitely work for what I wanted.
They had a s6 there and I handled both. I just felt that I would regret not getting the bigger screen.
Now to just hope for root for ad block. But for now the work around for no root ad block will work.
Other than that, I disabled all the bloat I could and it's extremely lag free and a smooth feel (just like the "clean rom" touchwiz I ran on my last 2 galaxy phones.
droidx2.3.3 said:
I'm die for an upgrade and my note 2 recently decided to become a paper weight. So in back on my s3.
So, is the s6 worth waiting for to look at or should I just get the note 4? I like the size of the note obviously but I see it can't be rooted yet (or ever). The s6 seems nice but I don't like the non removable battery and no sd slot.
So what's your guys opinion? (I'm on Verizon if that makes any difference)
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are you under contract? or can you upgrade right now?
I was (and still am) under the 2 year contract. I was eligible for upgrade last month.
I bought the note 4 today. So far so good. Only thing I miss is the root access for ad block and titanium back up.
But I'm overcoming that slowly haha
Well since there is to be no root or recovery we are left with discussion and mods/apps which do not require root.
My question to the group is how does this phone being locked down effect you. Many say they will wait and hope, others saying returning/selling ASAP and still others are saying this phone doesn't need it.
As far as how it effects me? Not a whole lot, Android has come a long way and this phone is super solid. I feel that this version of Touchwiz is non intrusive even less so than the Note 5 which barely lasted a month. I do appreciate root, and when I can, I always root. For me the biggest problem is Samsung's abhorrent updating. Sure we get special treatment over older still supported devices but let's keep it real Samsung sucks. After a year Samsung magically becomes even slower. I also greatly appreciate a stock Google experience. I will probably sell this bad boy. Once my bogo comes through
I currently have Nexus 5x and Nexus 6. And am undecided as to which one I will keep although leaning towards Nexus 6. I may end up keeping s7 edge until Nexus 2016 comes out, but that option is looking unlikely
If I had known ahead of time the S7 bootloader was locked I would have bought the wife and I Nexus 6 devices and then gone to Project FI
yea sux when i found this out. but remember AT&T bootloaders were always locked down well for the most part and DEVs have always found a way to do it or work around it. I know u guys remember The days of the Loki patches rainbow recoveries etc..lol . phone has only been out a week give it some time fellas have faith in our DEVs they are the BEAST! IT WILL HAPPEN dont ask me how i just know these guys never disappoint!
in the mean time if u haven't already check this out these dudes are sweet they have instructions for non rooted requires a $2 app but worth it for now I confirm they work on my S7, cheers :laugh:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6-edge/themes-apps/avengers-theme-individual-mode-t3140647
I waited months for my LG G4 to get root and a bootloader unlock. Finally got cm13 and just a short time later upgraded to the S7... I miss cm13, but it'll just take some time and it'll be back on my phone.
How does it effect me, we'll it means that I don't actually own my $800. Pocket computer. I am not the administrator so my info can be easily stolen and the device can be crippled by limiting updates. It's basically a $800. Device that will be current for 4 months. Garbage.
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chakra said:
How does it effect me, we'll it means that I don't actually own my $800. Pocket computer. I am not the administrator so my info can be easily stolen and the device can be crippled by limiting updates. It's basically a $800. Device that will be current for 4 months. Garbage.
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Return it
For myself, i wish i could just remove bloat. Speed and function is rather quick. Being able to load 3rd party launchers is the only benefit to UI changes..eh...I like the water proof feature. ..
mikesincredible said:
For myself, i wish i could just remove bloat. Speed and function is rather quick. Being able to load 3rd party launchers is the only benefit to UI changes..eh...I like the water proof feature. ..
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Check out package disabler pro
Dovigoldberger said:
Check out package disabler pro
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Thank you!
I just returned the s7. Back to the s6 until the LG g5 is released.
gamepr said:
I just returned the s7. Back to the s6 until the LG g5 is released.
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Mine's going back tomorrow, unless there's some news. I figure that I can just re-purchase it once/if BL is unlocked, or check out the G5.
Going to do the jump to the g5 most likely.. I didnt have to root my g4 to get the software how I like it. There is just too much samsung integration here to get around it all without having lots of minor annoyances (no major ones, just lots of little **** I dont like).
Locked BL affects me moderately. I prefer lower DPI so without xposed/app settings, the camera/video calls aren't full screen. I also lose the ability to customize the phone (xposed/wanam). I have a harder time transferring apps (no Titanium Backup). I miss out on the whole reason for liking Snapdragon over exynos (kernels, CM). I never considered returning the phone (t-mobile's BOGO free + 2 yr netflix + $60 + wireless chargers from Samsung Pay + 2 GearVR was a ridiculous deal). I have considered selling/swapping for a 930F (all it would take is VOLTE + native video dialing and I'd swap immediately).
Just got my s7 today . . Retired my note 3 after years of use .... s7 is awsome right out the box ... very fast battery is great ... happy with the purchase
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Pretty much using Nexus 6 on project Fi. It's interesting not using as much data but I do like the service. Going between sprint and T-Mobile has been nice. I have no real desire to go to 6p now. I am really hoping that Google will release another 6 inch phone soon. If it's only 5.5 I will be disappointed but will still probably get the next Nexus
My Nexus 6 is unrooted, I just know Samsung won't get Android N until the Note 6 is released
Not much activity here, but a lot more than for the current phone I have which is the original Samsung Galaxy Nexus. I'm thinking about getting the S6, but wondered if developers have abandoned this phone yet? If not, what ROM is the most often updated and which do you recommend?
otter34 said:
Not much activity here, but a lot more than for the current phone I have which is the original Samsung Galaxy Nexus. I'm thinking about getting the S6, but wondered if developers have abandoned this phone yet? If not, what ROM is the most often updated and which do you recommend?
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Since you posted here in the Verizon section i'll assume your talking about the Verizon S6. DO NOT GET THAT PHONE. You will hate yourself like me and good portion of us for getting it. Every major carrier has root except for verizon on this phone, complete and utter horse. ****. Spare yourself and get a nexus 6 or even the s7 which has root now. But this phone fell flat and devs moved on, only a few remain.
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Since you posted here in the Verizon section i'll assume your talking about the Verizon S6. DO NOT GET THAT PHONE. You will hate yourself like me and good portion of us for getting it. Every major carrier has root except for verizon on this phone, complete and utter horse. ****. Spare yourself and get a nexus 6 or even the s7 which has root now. But this phone fell flat and devs moved on, only a few remain.
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Wow no kidding?!?!?!?!? Thanks so much. That's a real surprise.
Ah looking to spend no more than $320 for a phone. Not going to be shelling out $400+ anymore. Any other suggestions?
otter34 said:
Ah looking to spend no more than $320 for a phone. Not going to be shelling out $400+ anymore. Any other suggestions?
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Nexus 6
If you can find a Nexus 6p or if that's too big or expensive, a Nexus 5x. But I also heard good things about ZTE Axon 7
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Get a nexus.
I'm waiting for the new Nexus phones to come out. Never again will I do Samsung.
Thanks everyone. The samsung galaxy nexus 5 just arrived today. Picked it up for $150
I've not rooted a Android since my S3. Is it still a thing with carrier Varient? TMobile specifically? I know I'll have to pay my phone off (a little under 2 years). And unlock bootloader. Is it still a thing or no? I'm stuck between OnePlus 9 and Samsung 21+ through TMobile. Not sure which one I want. I do like that the s21 integrated with windows from what I can see. Also has a better camera from what I understand so now I'm checking root since I will have to keep this phone for a while (just had a baby, I want to make sure I squeeze everything I can from whichever I pick lol)
avid_droid said:
Too be on this, I'd say, if you want root them OnePlus 9 (non pro). If you want simplicity then, Samsung. If you decide Samsung I'd say get the ultra. The plus is nice but with Samsung it's better to get the top tier phone. Camera is phenomenal while op9 camera is mediocre. All depends what you want as root is not necessary for most day to day use. My honest opinion,S21 Ultra is a no brainer. While the 9 won't let you down. It's what you want within a phone
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Thank you. Do you think I could go 5-6/ years from the Samsung with a battery change?