My Google Pixel XL vs. Moto X Pure comparison - X Style (Pure) General

Got my Pixel XL yesterday.
Feel free to ask any comparison questions or buy my two month old mint 64GB MXP listed on swappa.
Camera opens up and is focused, ready to capture pictures twice as fast as the MXP.
Overnight deep sleep was 98.6% over 8.5 hours.
Root & TWRP aren't available yet but Chainfire did root his Pixel and is working out some bugs before giving it to the community. TWRP are still working on something with encryption before offering their product up.
The MXP feels just as "premium" in the hand.
The Pixel's volume buttons are a bit more "clacky". I noticed it right away when I grabbed the phone and my finger kind of tapped the volume button and it made a metallic sound. The MXP does this also, but the Pixel does it more.
The Pixel XL is lighter on paper and in the hand.
But unless you have one phone in each hand, you're not going to notice much of a difference.
Though the Pixel does seem to make my running shorts sag down a little less than the MXP when in my pocket.
I'm on AT&T and used my SIM in both phones, one after another.
In the same spot, the MXP got 6mbps down and 0.1 up using Speedtest.net app.
The Pixel got the same download speed but was much faster with up speed at 4mbps.
Could be a fluke, who knows.
My house is a black hole for 4G network and I always have issues here.
I'll copy & paste my screen brightness findings below:
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I just compared my Pixel XL vs. my Motorola Moto X Pure out under the 12PM Texas sunlight.
Turned off adaptive brightness for both.
Set both to max brightness on the slider.
Opened up the same webpage (yahoo.com).
Also looked at my phone contact pictures.
The Moto X Pure was slightly brighter and easier to see/read with direct view.
When looking at an angle, the Pixel XL was easier to read.
Once root is available, I'll install the Brightness Widget and install ElementalX kernel to see how the Pixel XL looks with the brightness pumped up.
If it gives me 10% more brightness then I think it'll probably be just as bright as the Moto X Pure with direct viewing.
The Moto X Pure has ~715 nits according to some reviews and is just as bright as my old Note 4 was.
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Just tested the speakers with my SPL meter.
It's impossible to get accurate readings since the MXP has dual front facing speakers while the Pixel XL has a single mono down-facing speaker.
But SPL volumes when playing back both ping and brown mono tones *appear* to be mostly identical SPL.
My next test was to play a sports broadcasting radio show to listen to voices while the phone was in my pocket. Simulating what I do when I walk my dog. Put the phone in my pocket, crank up the volume and listen to a sports podcast.
Both phones appear to have the same SPL's again.
But the MXP definitely has more full toned voices.
MXP wins the speaker battle as I expected.
Really still trying to figure out why I bought a $900 32GB Pixel XL and put my $295 MXP 64GB up for sale.

updated with volume button and SPL stuff.

Take some photos on auto mode if you can...low light...outside...ect... Please...
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I never learned much about taking pics, but I'll try.
Low light will be in about 5-6 hours from now. Twilight in Texas.

Great stuff. Would love to see a comparison on headphone jack audio quality and max volume, as well as battery life, if you get a chance.

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Great stuff. Would love to see a comparison on headphone jack audio quality and max volume, as well as battery life, if you get a chance.
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I'd like battery life comparisons as well. This is a huge thing for me. I'm tired of only getting 2.5 hours of screen on time with my MXP. I've changed my mind and now kind of believe the Pixel isn't a worthy upgrade but I just really dislike the MXP lol.

Really still trying to figure out why I bought a $900 32GB Pixel XL and put my $295 MXP 64GB up for sale.
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This is why I want nothing to do with the Pixel. Price is just outrageous and you're not getting two/three times the phone for the price. Now I 'might' consider getting a Note 8 when it comes out next year, but the Pixel is just way overpriced right now for what you're getting. Think I'm sticking with my MXPE for the foreseeable future. Still working great and really happy with it. The low light pics could be improved and that's really the only beef I have with it. Still a great phone.

Sorry guys, I sold my Moto X before I could get around to the camera tests.
Right now I've got 65% battery remaining and one hour of screen on time.
I'll report back when phone has settled in more and I can do a real test.
Root was released a couple days ago.
Still waiting on TWRP.
And finding many apps that don't work properly in 7.1 due to Nougat or the odd root implementation.
And Xposed has not been released yet for Nougat.

I was finally able to do a battery test.
The Pixel XL went two full days and still had about 40% battery life left.
I wasn't heavily using the phone though, as you can see by only 2+ hours of screen on time.
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@CZ Eddie do you like the phone better than the MXPE? At the bottom of the OP you said you were trying to figure out why you bought the Pixel XL for $900 and are trying to sell your MXPE for $295....

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@CZ Eddie do you like the phone better than the MXPE? At the bottom of the OP you said you were trying to figure out why you bought the Pixel XL for $900 and are trying to sell your MXPE for $295....
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I like the Pixel XL a lot. It's fast as hell.
If you gave me a choice between the two phones at the same price point, I'd go with the Pixel XL.
If I were to do everything all over again and had a choice between Pixel XL at $900 or MXP at $300, I'd go with the MXP.
Assuming I weren't already one-years worth bored of the MXP anyhow. Like I was when I got the Pixel.

CZ Eddie said:
I like the Pixel XL a lot. It's fast as hell.
If you gave me a choice between the two phones at the same price point, I'd go with the Pixel XL.
If I were to do everything all over again and had a choice between Pixel XL at $900 or MXP at $300, I'd go with the MXP.
Assuming I weren't already one-years worth bored of the MXP anyhow. Like I was when I got the Pixel.
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Yeah good point, but my gosh is the price of the Pixel/XL high. I tried out the Pixel for a week and loved it but returned it because of the price. And that was just the 32GB. Part of me wants to bite the bullet and just get the 128 Pixel, but I can't justify the XL in 128. I love my $300 MXPE as well and Moto has confirmed N in Q4 of this year, so I'm very hopeful that happens soon.

I'm waiting on my Pixel XL. GF has hers and loves it.

I'm having a really hard time not getting the Google Pixel. But the cost to awesomeness comparison is not tempting to me at all. When comparing the specs of the devices, I just don't think the Pixel or XL is THAT much beter than the Moto X Pure, but, I REALLY want to get the device...again..lol
I know Android N is supposed to come soon for the Moto X Style (Pure), and I think it will be awesome on the MXPE. But can I wait that long???? That is the question!

Still no TWRP (or custom ROM's) for the Pixel XL.
And there is no Exposed yet for Nougat.
Some apps aren't happy yet with the style of Superuser.
Anyone who likes customizing stuff should just hold off a bit longer if seriously considering the Pixel.
And anyone into TASKER should know that Secure Settings won't work on this phone. ugh.

Moto voice and moto assist in x pure vs pixel
Hello, I have the original moto x, 2013, I love moto voice and moto assist reading text messages while driving or at home, etc. and waking up with voice command. I don't like the size of moto x pure. Does pixel with nougat have similar features for voice command and text message reading while driving like moto assist?

CZ Eddie said:
Got my Pixel XL yesterday.
Really still trying to figure out why I bought a $900 32GB Pixel XL and put my $295 MXP 64GB up for sale.
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Well you bought a software package with a big guarantee on the quality of it that's for sure.
I own a MXP (actually Style, still the same) and I can say it's a solid build. My poor beast suffered a lot from dust to water to ground concrete droppings and now (after almost a year of wearage) it still feels like new, except for the IPS color bleeding ( TIP: don't keep this phone in your back pocket and sit on it, I was putting preasure right in the middle of the screen and some bending happend to the screen panel).
The really big cons of MXP is Motorola software support (features are great!), as they weren't able to keep it together as a company only God knows how many changes has been in the developers team. I just hope for one strike of light to get the official Naugat update and kernel releases for it.

My justification for buying the Pixel XL 128 was a stretch by anyone's standards, but I went with it.
First, the Pixel let me switch from my $66/month Verizon plan to a sub-$40/month Project Fi plan (I'm a very light data user since wifi is almost always available).
Second, for many moons I dreamed of getting a PSVR. My twisted sense of logic eventually convinced me to preorder the Pixel and get a free Daydream VR headset instead of getting a PSVR. The money saved on the PSVR would partially offset the ridiculous cost of the Pixel.
To say I'm looking forward to the VR revolution would be an understatement, but until I can get a quality VR experience with eye tracking and no wires I'm happy to skip the PSVR and settle on the Daydream. At least it doesn't have wires.
Also, I'm finally going to root my MXPE and make it a proper NES/SNES mobile emulation station with controller/mount.
With all that in mind, I'm loving the Pixel. And now that it's getting the lift-to-wake gesture, the last thing that was missing from the MXPE is gone.

I got the DayDream VR goggles in this week for my Pixel.
It was my first VR experience and I was blown away by how much better it was than i was expecting.
I don't think VR is ready for prime-time yet. But when it is, it's going to change how we do many things.
I got so immersed in the experience at one point that I lost my balance. While sitting in a chair!

Btw, Pixel now has an Alpha version of TWRP but still no custom ROM's of any sort.
I do know that Pure Nexus and Dirty Unicorns are working on something.
But TWRP has been out a couple weeks so I'm disappointed we don't have anything cool yet.
And none of the ROM Kitchens support the Pixel yet, so I can't even do my own custom ROM.
And there is still no Xposed for Nougat yet.

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Anyone come from a Moto X?

As the title suggests, i'm just curious how many people came from the Moto X or have both phones.
I have been using a Moto X for 3 weeks now and my Nexus 5 will be here soon (hopefully) so I was wondering how they compare mostly in terms of battery life or anything else that you guys think is worth mentioning.
Thanks in advance
I did . I just got my nexus 5 today and all i can say is that I love this phone. Too soon to tell about the battery life, but its pretty good so far. I've read in the battery discussion thread that others are having great battery life.
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cc16177 said:
As the title suggests, i'm just curious how many people came from the Moto X or have both phones.
I have been using a Moto X for 3 weeks now and my Nexus 5 will be here soon (hopefully) so I was wondering how they compare mostly in terms of battery life or anything else that you guys think is worth mentioning.
Thanks in advance
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I have both. I've been pretty disappointed with the N5 thus far. I've only had it for about 8 hours but I'm fairly confident when I say that the Moto X is the vastly superior device.
Things I don't like about the N5 so far-
1. UI of Kit Kat (not the N5's fault but treating it as a whole package). The Moto X (4.2) has a wonderful techie theme to it and 4.4 has all but done away with it.
2. Hangouts for SMS (who's idea was this? Fire them)
3. The screen- Washed out colors, poor black levels, bad viewing angles when viewed from certain angles. It's passable, and better when you don't compare it to any other device, but I will take the Moto X's screen over this one any day of the week.
4. Battery life *seems* mediocre at best, but I need to give it a week before I can truly comment on it. I unplugged it at 100% 30 minutes ago and it's already down to 96% and I haven't even touched it. By contrast, I'd have at least 3 hours off charger and 15-20 minutes of solid screen time by the time it hit 96% on the Moto X.
5. Physical feel of the phone/lack of heft- it feels like a fragile, empty shell. Almost like a store mockup that just so happens to work. The Moto X on the other hand, is the best feeling phone I've ever held.
I'm sure I'll come up with more but these are just my initial thoughts.
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I have both. I've been pretty disappointed with the N5 thus far. I've only had it for about 8 hours but I'm fairly confident when I say that the Moto X is the vastly superior device.
Things I don't like about the N5 so far-
1. UI of Kit Kat (not the N5's fault but treating it as a whole package). The Moto X (4.2) has a wonderful techie theme to it and 4.4 has all but done away with it.
2. Hangouts for SMS (who's idea was this? Fire them)
3. The screen- Washed out colors, poor black levels, bad viewing angles when viewed from certain angles. It's passable, and better when you don't compare it to any other device, but I will take the Moto X's screen over this one any day of the week.
4. Battery life *seems* mediocre at best, but I need to give it a week before I can truly comment on it. I unplugged it at 100% 30 minutes ago and it's already down to 96% and I haven't even touched it. By contrast, I'd have at least 3 hours off charger and 15-20 minutes of solid screen time by the time it hit 96% on the Moto X.
5. Physical feel of the phone/lack of heft- it feels like a fragile, empty shell. Almost like a store mockup that just so happens to work. The Moto X on the other hand, is the best feeling phone I've ever held.
I'm sure I'll come up with more but these are just my initial thoughts.
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This is very interesting. I want a moto x more and more every day lol. What carrier are you with?
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_MetalHead_ said:
I have both. I've been pretty disappointed with the N5 thus far. I've only had it for about 8 hours but I'm fairly confident when I say that the Moto X is the vastly superior device.
Things I don't like about the N5 so far-
1. UI of Kit Kat (not the N5's fault but treating it as a whole package). The Moto X (4.2) has a wonderful techie theme to it and 4.4 has all but done away with it.
2. Hangouts for SMS (who's idea was this? Fire them)
3. The screen- Washed out colors, poor black levels, bad viewing angles when viewed from certain angles. It's passable, and better when you don't compare it to any other device, but I will take the Moto X's screen over this one any day of the week.
4. Battery life *seems* mediocre at best, but I need to give it a week before I can truly comment on it. I unplugged it at 100% 30 minutes ago and it's already down to 96% and I haven't even touched it. By contrast, I'd have at least 3 hours off charger and 15-20 minutes of solid screen time by the time it hit 96% on the Moto X.
5. Physical feel of the phone/lack of heft- it feels like a fragile, empty shell. Almost like a store mockup that just so happens to work. The Moto X on the other hand, is the best feeling phone I've ever held.
I'm sure I'll come up with more but these are just my initial thoughts.
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Damn bro. I remember u calling sick for this. I think I'm definitely staying with my G2. I have a nexus 5 coming Wednesday and I'm gonna sell it as soon as it arrives.
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Here are my G2 battery stats that I took this morning
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schwartz.matthew.e said:
This is very interesting. I want a moto x more and more every day lol. What carrier are you with?
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AT&T.
barondebxl said:
Damn bro. I remember u calling sick for this. I think I'm definitely staying with my G2. I have a nexus 5 coming Wednesday and I'm gonna sell it as soon as it arrives. Here is my G2 battery stat, took a screen shot this morning
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Yeah, I was really excited to get it but was disappointed by it within the first hour. Sorta wish I went into work today, lost a few hundred bucks from taking the day off.
Another thing I forgot to add to the list are ACTIVE NOTIFICATIONS. I can't tell you guys how many times I pulled my N5 from my pocket today only to be incredibly frustrated that I had to actually turn on my phone to see who texted me. Seriously, who uses the power button anymore? Neanderthals. lol
I like Moto Droid Maxx and Droid Ultra :3 it look very nice :3
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AT&T.
Yeah, I was really excited to get it but was disappointed by it within the first hour. Sorta wish I went into work today, lost a few hundred bucks from taking the day off.
Another thing I forgot to add to the list are ACTIVE NOTIFICATIONS. I can't tell you guys how many times I pulled my N5 from my pocket today only to be incredibly frustrated that I had to actually turn on my phone to see who texted me. Seriously, who uses the power button anymore? Neanderthals. lol
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Lmao hahhahahah. Looks like the moto x is a beast, many ppl love that phone. It's decided, I'll sell my nexus 5 as soon as it arrives. I'm way too spoiled by G2 battery life.
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I got hold of a N5 today too, much like Metal I'm coming from a Moto X and I hate to say it with the exception of the KitKat changes which will come to the X anyway so I'll call that a wash I agree with him on nearly all counts.
The form factor and the battery life are the two biggest things for me. The X just feels so incredible in hand it's spoiling all these larger phones, at least for me. The speaker on the N5 is also far, far worse than the X and thus far the battery life isn't close though it's still on a first charge so I'll wait and see. Going to use it for a day or two and see how it holds up with regular use.
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Lmao hahhahahah. Looks like the moto x is a beast, many ppl love that phone. It's decided, I'll sell my nexus 5 as soon as it arrives. I'm way too spoiled by G2 battery life.
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Why not just return it? I've been watching ebay out of curiosity and some people are paying more but when you factor in ebay and PayPal fees, they are losing money.
I like nothing about g2 except battery life. I love my nexus it's a perfect phone pure aosp roms and kernel and new dialer is sick. 4.4 is out of this world perfect phone
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Lmao hahhahahah. Looks like the moto x is a beast, many ppl love that phone. It's decided, I'll sell my nexus 5 as soon as it arrives. I'm way too spoiled by G2 battery life.
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Yeah man, the Moto X is hands down the best phone I've ever owned. And I have had every flagship Android device on Sprint and quite a few on AT&T. The X is the only phone that I have had no desire to flash a custom ROM on. Just made a few mods with GravityBox and it is perfect. Definitely NOT getting rid of it for the N5. I'll probably still keep the N5 just because, but the X will remain my primary phone until the X2 comes out.
I'll sell it locally on craigslist.
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I'll sell it locally on craigslist.
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Only way to do it! I sell all my old devices on Craigslist. It's a godsend.
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Only way to do it! I sell all my old devices on Craigslist. It's a godsend.
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Yep. And I live in the DC area and craigslist is pretty busy here so hopefully it shouldn't be too hard. I won't even unbox it to see how it look. I might get a moto x as a secondary device, way too many great feedback for me to over look it.
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Can't speak to battery life yet, but...
Nexus 5 looks better.
Nexus 5 feels much sturdier.
I can see why some people (especially females) might find the N5 too big, but to me, the N5 fits better in my hand. I'm convinced it is the increased bezel at the bottom that makes it easier to use the navigation buttons when holding it.
Nexus 5 screen looks so much better than the cartoony, over-saturated AMOLED screen of the Moto X.
Nexus 5 is smoother, less laggy, more buttery all around.
Nexus 5 camera is much better, even after the Moto X update.
Nexus 5 has KitKat now; with Motorola's track record, there is no telling when the Moto X will get the 4.4 update. GNex was released with ICS 4.0, while the Moto RAZR was released as "ICS upgradeable." It took what, nine months?
The only things that the Moto X wins in are...
Active Notifications is a pretty great feature. It needed improvement (more interaction than open or dismiss), but it is better than just an LED indicator.
Shake twice for camera. I enjoyed that.
Unless the Nexus 5 battery is just horrendous--i.e. 2.5 hours of screen-on time, like the GNex--it is clearly the superior device. I would take the Nexus 5 hands down at an even price. The facts that the Nexus 5 is much cheaper, it is unlocked on AT&T, and it will have much more development makes it seem like a silly question to even consider the Moto X. Maybe if I had kid hands?
tl; dr: Nexus 5 wins by a long shot.
I am currently debating between these two phones. I really like the active notifications feature I have heard about on the Moto X, but not sure if that alone would justify the price difference to me. I am fine with the battery life on my N4, so if the N5 battery is similar it won't matter to me that the Moto X is better in that regard. I like the performance I have seen from the N5, but from what I understand the Moto X is silky smooth even with a weaker processor.
I am most curious though how the wake-by-voice / touchless controls compares between the two. Can anybody who has used both compare those at all? Are they the same? Is the Moto X slightly better (if so, how)? Is the Nexus 5 slightly better (again if so, how)?
Thanks
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I have both. I've been pretty disappointed with the N5 thus far. I've only had it for about 8 hours but I'm fairly confident when I say that the Moto X is the vastly superior device.
Things I don't like about the N5 so far-
1. UI of Kit Kat (not the N5's fault but treating it as a whole package). The Moto X (4.2) has a wonderful techie theme to it and 4.4 has all but done away with it.
2. Hangouts for SMS (who's idea was this? Fire them)
3. The screen- Washed out colors, poor black levels, bad viewing angles when viewed from certain angles. It's passable, and better when you don't compare it to any other device, but I will take the Moto X's screen over this one any day of the week.
4. Battery life *seems* mediocre at best, but I need to give it a week before I can truly comment on it. I unplugged it at 100% 30 minutes ago and it's already down to 96% and I haven't even touched it. By contrast, I'd have at least 3 hours off charger and 15-20 minutes of solid screen time by the time it hit 96% on the Moto X.
5. Physical feel of the phone/lack of heft- it feels like a fragile, empty shell. Almost like a store mockup that just so happens to work. The Moto X on the other hand, is the best feeling phone I've ever held.
I'm sure I'll come up with more but these are just my initial thoughts.
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Wow....I also have both devices, and you've summed up my thoughts perfectly. I do like the Nexus 5 and plan on using both phones regularly, but the screen being washed out irritates me, especially since the Nexus 4 had the same well known problem. Battery life also is on par with yours; I had an HTC One as well and the battery was also nothing to write home about. Maybe its just 1080p phones in general.
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I am most curious though how the wake-by-voice / touchless controls compares between the two. Can anybody who has used both compare those at all? Are they the same? Is the Moto X slightly better (if so, how)? Is the Nexus 5 slightly better (again if so, how)?
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Nexus 5 (and all other 4.4 android phones) will need to be powered on before they can start listening.
Moto X is the ONLY phone that allows you to do it while the screen is off.
ZaelFaroe said:
I am currently debating between these two phones. I really like the active notifications feature I have heard about on the Moto X, but not sure if that alone would justify the price difference to me. I am fine with the battery life on my N4, so if the N5 battery is similar it won't matter to me that the Moto X is better in that regard. I like the performance I have seen from the N5, but from what I understand the Moto X is silky smooth even with a weaker processor.
I am most curious though how the wake-by-voice / touchless controls compares between the two. Can anybody who has used both compare those at all? Are they the same? Is the Moto X slightly better (if so, how)? Is the Nexus 5 slightly better (again if so, how)?
Thanks
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The Nexus 5 is smoother. This isn't even close. The Moto X can get laggy. I've only had the Nexus 5 for 24 hours, but it has shown zero signs of lag. The Moto X showed signs within the first ten minutes.
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Nexus 5 (and all other 4.4 android phones) will need to be powered on before they can start listening.
Moto X is the ONLY phone that allows you to do it while the screen is off.
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That being said, the Moto X's always-on listening is vastly overrated. For one, the "Okay, Google Now" command screws up all the time. More often than not, the "Now" part shows up as part of the command being issued when the speech is converted to text. So, for example, when I say "Okay, Google Now. Call John." instead of calling John, it does a Google search for "Now call John." I'd say the Moto X has a 15-20% accuracy when speaking to it from the off position. Remember the commercial where they say "Okay Google Now, play [insert track name]?" Give it a shot. I tried 15-20 times, and it never worked. On top of all of this inaccuracy, there is a several second delay between issuing the command and the phone actually recognizing the speech and processing. The real killer is that it is supposed to be trained to your voice, but it obviously lacks the technology to really do so. Therefore, the voice commands that can be issued with a secure lock screen are very limited. If you have a secure lock screen, this feature is useless.
With the Nexus 5, yes, the phone does have to be on to issue a command, but it works. So far, my Nexus 5 has always recognized my command first try. It converts my speech to text more accurately than I thought possible. Coming from the Moto X, I noticed a huge difference here, and I was very pleasantly surprised.
So, sure, the always-listening function on the Moto X would be cool, but it simply doesn't work within any acceptable range of accuracy. I would much rather turn on my phone and have it register my command first try than have to issue the command three times only to give up and do the task manually.

Anyone interested in M10

I'm definitely interested. I love this phone, but I didn't think the M9 was much of an upgrade. We shall see though. It will between htc 10 & moto X pure
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I'm definitely interested. I love this phone, but I didn't think the M9 was much of an upgrade. We shall see though. It will between htc 10 & moto X pure
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I would like some insight too.
1st. Would like the M10 2nd. Google (read about *4G issues?) 6P .
question is being on VZW.
will s-off and root be possible for M10 on vzw?
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So I was on the fence for a while going back and forth with the leaks, but I think after the official announcement I'm in. Everything about this phone sounds great. I'm also liking their new ad campaign. HTC's #1 issue has been marketing. Yes the M9 was a miss for most of us on this forum, but that's because we already had the M8 and there was little reason to upgrade. The M9 was in many ways still an excellent phone. I really hope that the HTC 10 + Vive can help HTC recapture the market. The fact that they are releasing a new phone that pushes the envelope in nearly every direction despite shrinking margins and posting a net loss is very impressive.
I can't say with certainty, but I'm very hopeful of the s-off / rooting potential of this phone, even then VZW version. The unlocked GSM model will be able to unlock the bootloader via HTCDev.
As it seems is always the case these days, with everything new we get, we lose some features as well. Let's take a moment of silence for stereo front facing speakers and the IR blaster... add them to the Qi wireless charging we lost after the DNA.
My only complaints with the HTC 10 so far: Facebook will come preinstalled and can't be removed (ugh), and the rear camera sticks out, which is fine if you use a case, but I almost never do, so that's annoying.
Oh, and I apparently the Camellia Red colorway is a KDDI JPY exclusive, which stinks. I have the red M8 and I love it! If I could buy a red 10 I'd be so happy.
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spjetrovic said:
I would like some insight too.
1st. Would like the M10 2nd. Google (read about *4G issues?) 6P .
question is being on VZW.
will s-off and root be possible for M10 on vzw?
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I have a feeling S-Off will come to the HTC 10, Jcase had this to say
https://twitter.com/jcase/status/719891850484559873
HTC 10 will be on all carriers except At&t, the unlocked variant will of course work on there still. I am so excited for this device, it has everything you could want in a phone. Sense UI is still great & it being closer to stock is a plus. This & the Galaxy S7 are the only 2 devices right now that have my attention, its either a phone that can be Rooted & Boomsound or a phone that is Water Resistant & has Layers Support.
krazie1 said:
I have a feeling S-Off will come to the HTC 10, Jcase had this to say
https://twitter.com/jcase/status/719891850484559873
HTC 10 will be on all carriers except At&t, the unlocked variant will of course work on there still. I am so excited for this device, it has everything you could want in a phone. Sense UI is still great & it being closer to stock is a plus. This & the Galaxy S7 are the only 2 devices right now that have my attention, its either a phone that can be Rooted & Boomsound or a phone that is Water Resistant & has Layers Support.
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Thanks buddy, I love my ?8.
I recently dropped it and cracked the screen. So I have been looking for a replacement.
Would like it to be better then the M8.
Being I'm on VZW unlimited. I know Big red is locking all doors. I would like to use my phone with the least possible restriction. Would like the phone to have great community/dev support.
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I have a feeling S-Off will come to the HTC 10, Jcase had this to say
I am so excited for this device, it has everything you could want in a phone.
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And a built in battery which makes it a totally useless phone for me. My M8 is the only phone I'll ever own with a non-removable battery. Sorry HTC, not for me.
No removable battery or no removable storage card = NO!
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And a built in battery which makes it a totally useless phone for me. My M8 is the only phone I'll ever own with a non-removable battery. Sorry HTC, not for me.
No removable battery or no removable storage card = NO!
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HTC 10 has a Micro SD Slot that supports up to 2TB
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HTC 10 has a Micro SD Slot that supports up to 2TB
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One out of two = NO! Micro SD slot AND removable battery = minimum acceptable features.
I may pick up a used Galaxy 4 again and activate it, the M8 is now two years old and the battery life has dropped quite a bit... <sigh>
Removable batteries are not a priority for the majority of users. In all the years I've had a phone I've never swapped out batteries. While I understand there may be use cases that require removable batteries, I've found that portable battery packs solve most use cases. If you must have the ability to swap batteries than I suggest looking at the LG G5.
I like the HTC 10. Seems like a solid upgrade, especially the camera which is now one of the best on the market compared to the M9 being one of the worst. Sense 8, and lack of bloatware seems fantastic for the unlocked version. If Javacard can s-off the HTC 10 on Verizon, that might pull me over! Sense is probably the cleanest, smoothest UI I've used.
I ended up getting a Nexus 6P in mid-march. Love the screen size. I'm holding LTE band 4 a lot better than I did with the M8, and can now get LTE in my basement when I was only able to get 3G on M8.
The 4G issue you were referring to could have been fixed by the last major firmware update, but who knows. Haven't had a problem with mine. Go figure. Every phone has its own personality
Only annoying part is Verizon includes free visual voicemail, but no way to use it (no app compatible) so I keep getting a text for each voicemail. Can be rectified by calling CS and downgrading to basic voicemail, but don't care enough. I may get 1 voicemail every month? lol
I use Google Voice for my voicemail, it's free and much better than Verizon's offering. As an added bonus, you get a 2nd phone number which is great for when you don't want to give out your actual cell to anyone (filtering calls is much easier in Google Voice than through Verizon).
I'll wait until the first or second price drop. Since my m8 just got marshmallow, I'm very happy with it and don't need to be on the latest and greatest. I'd rather have the money in my pocket.
I would love to get another HTC phone but the 10 isn't up to snuff compared to the Samsung Galaxy S7. I was leaning towards the S7 just because of the wireless charging ability and better camera.
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I was interested (more so bored with having the same phone over a year) but then I bought my wife a galaxy s7 and I can say for certain other than camera performance, faster charging and specs nothing has changed since 2014 worth upgrading for. For two days I ran app after same app on both with no real difference in real world speed (running stock rooted marshmallow with NO mods) despite benchmarks and specs. Increased resolution serves no purpose other than specs on a 5" screen and human eyes. Both screens look perfect. I guess a fingerprint reader would be nice for people who lock their phone or think it's easier to pull out a phone than bank card (she doesn't use it. Never even been set up).
Point is after real world comparison nothing revolutionary has changed. They aren't even getting prettier and thinner anymore (m8 and m9 look better and thinner).So I bought a skin/wrap and I feel like I have a brand new phone. Pretty sure this is why at some point they stop supporting newer software. From 2014 many people would never need to buy a new phone except for outdated software.
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Removable batteries are not a priority for the majority of users. In all the years I've had a phone I've never swapped out batteries. While I understand there may be use cases that require removable batteries, I've found that portable battery packs solve most use cases. If you must have the ability to swap batteries than I suggest looking at the LG G5.
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I'm considering the G5, hoping someone will unlock the bootloader. I suspect people with newer phones haven't encountered the battery problems I have with my M8 (my LAST PHONE with a non-removable battery!) which is over 3 years old, the battery was fine until around 30 days ago...
I hit the sack around 11 PM and connect the phone to the charger, I get up at 7 AM and take the phone off the charger. When new, I could often get to 10 PM w/o recharging, recently I have to recharge TWICE during the day and today I noticed the phone won't charge more than 85%!
So now my options are: Replace battery, this involves losing the phone for some days and spending a bunch of bucks or new phone, again a bunch of bucks or buying a used phone from Swappa, again a bunch of bucks all of which would never have happened if I could only remove the old battery and slide in a new one!
I'll definitely try to get it. When ever they decide to release it on VZW. Way worth the upgrade from the M8 . 4 gigs of ram, SD 820, fingerprint, new boomsound/headphone audio, better cameras, 4k video recording, USB C, QC 3.0, a little bigger screen size but without the size of the phone increasing, I assume better battery life.
I stopped by a Verizon store yesterday to play with their display 10. It's a nice phone, but I don't think it's worth the $600-700 price to upgrade over the M8. I like the physical design of the M8 better, not a fan of the chamfored edged on the back or the rear camera bump. For the "best mobile camera ever" I was underwhelmed. Maybe it's just the awful lighting in the verizon store, but the image quality wasn't substantially different. I noticed the 10's front camera is much less wide-angle than the M8's. Moving the headphone jack to the top sucks. Back to the days of wires sticking out the top and bottom of your device. Also, you know how the M8 has that glossy plastic strip across the top, which blends well into the IR blaster power button? Well the 10 has the same strip except it's a soft matte grey plastic that I just don't think works at all. It looks like the original M7 did.
To be honest I'm a bit disappointed. I rushed out to buy the Thunderbolt when it came out, I waited for the store to open to pick up the DNA. Upgrading to the M8 felt like a major upgrade. Going from M8 to 10 though just feels like a slight iteration, gaining some new bells and whistles but losing others. Maybe HTC will get the 11 right, if they survive that long...
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I stopped by a Verizon store yesterday to play with their display 10. It's a nice phone, but I don't think it's worth the $600-700 price to upgrade over the M8. I like the physical design of the M8 better, not a fan of the chamfored edged on the back or the rear camera bump. For the "best mobile camera ever" I was underwhelmed. Maybe it's just the awful lighting in the verizon store, but the image quality wasn't substantially different. I noticed the 10's front camera is much less wide-angle than the M8's. Moving the headphone jack to the top sucks. Back to the days of wires sticking out the top and bottom of your device. Also, you know how the M8 has that glossy plastic strip across the top, which blends well into the IR blaster power button? Well the 10 has the same strip except it's a soft matte grey plastic that I just don't think works at all. It looks like the original M7 did.
To be honest I'm a bit disappointed. I rushed out to buy the Thunderbolt when it came out, I waited for the store to open to pick up the DNA. Upgrading to the M8 felt like a major upgrade. Going from M8 to 10 though just feels like a slight iteration, gaining some new bells and whistles but losing others. Maybe HTC will get the 11 right, if they survive that long...
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Pixel count the image is wider. The m8 only has a 4MP camera while the 10 has a 12MP camera. It shoots @12mP in 4:3. The wide-screen mode is a cropped version of the 12MP and still is a lot more MP than the m8. Also the screen is a much higher resolution than the m8 so the same pictures from the m8 would take up less space.
Honestly the phone is solid. Battery is great. Been using mine for a couple days now.
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I'll get mine on Monday I hope.
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xs11e said:
I'm considering the G5, hoping someone will unlock the bootloader. I suspect people with newer phones haven't encountered the battery problems I have with my M8 (my LAST PHONE with a non-removable battery!) which is over 3 years old, the battery was fine until around 30 days ago...
I hit the sack around 11 PM and connect the phone to the charger, I get up at 7 AM and take the phone off the charger. When new, I could often get to 10 PM w/o recharging, recently I have to recharge TWICE during the day and today I noticed the phone won't charge more than 85%!
So now my options are: Replace battery, this involves losing the phone for some days and spending a bunch of bucks or new phone, again a bunch of bucks or buying a used phone from Swappa, again a bunch of bucks all of which would never have happened if I could only remove the old battery and slide in a new one!
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Got my G5, great phone. I miss unlocked boot loader, root and custom roms but that may come later...
So adios to the M8 forums and THANKS for all the help, advice and ROMs from some amazing devs.
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HTC U12+, still to buy on 2019?

Hello guys,
I currently own a HTC 10, and i have it since 3 years. I plan to get a new phone, and i can't decide which one. I was thinking of U12+, but i can't try one as it does not exist on any electronic market physically.
Do you recommend HTC U12+ on 2019? What are your experiences? Is it still fast after new updates?
How are the side buttons? I am worried most about those.
Any answer is appreciated!!
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It's a good phone, but there are better choices. It's all about how much you want to spend and strangely, the U12+ is not significantly dropping in price.
The button issue has been largely solved directly after release, though there could be points where they are unresponsive, likely to block out erroneous touches when there's extended periods of pressure on them, like in a case.
The cameras are still among the best you can get and that, imo, is why you would buy this now. GCam makes it better, but doesn't work on the tele lens. I mostly use the stock app, as it works really well.
As for sound quality, it's tops, but one needs to deal with the USBc issues that are not unique to HTC. The fact thst there's no wireless charging makes the phone rather annoying at points. If I were buying and we're not talking budget, I'd just spend 900 Euros on a Snapdragon S10 5g.
The s9 plus might be a better option if you want better update support and wireless charging and a headphone jack. This is at the expense of cameras not as good as the u12+.
I've done your step one year ago and if my HTC 10 lasted longer I would do it now.
I really miss the alu body of my HTC 10. I don't use any covers and this glass back is not for me, but it's okay.
I can recommend the U12+. It's really fast and I don't have any negative aspect. Maybe the buttons. Sometimes they are a bit tricky.
The UI of the HTC phones is really good and I hope that HTC decides to launch new phones in the future. Don't want to change the brand
isik_h said:
Hello guys,
I currently own a HTC 10, and i have it since 3 years. I plan to get a new phone, and i can't decide which one. I was thinking of U12+, but i can't try one as it does not exist on any electronic market physically.
Do you recommend HTC U12+ on 2019? What are your experiences? Is it still fast after new updates?
How are the side buttons? I am worried most about those.
Any answer is appreciated!!
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Hi,
Well, the phone is really nicely manufactured, seems robust and feels great in hand (apart from being slippery). Question is whether its non-trendy look bothers you.
As for the side buttons, I've never had any problems with them. I really like the firm sensation of touching them.
However, I can't say a good word about tapping the pressure sensitive sides. It either doesn't work or works when not intended.
Squeezing works 90% right, sometimes getting stuck and not reacting to pressing really hard. In such cases I need to put down the phone and grab it again.
For me, the worst part is the software support. The Pie update was a joke, the security updates were a joke and I don't expect to see Android 10 on that phone. If you want new features in OTAs, then don't consider this phone.
All in all, I feel like there are better choices but coming with some trade-offs. I wouldn't have bought it again and settled for sth else, maybe hardware-wise worse but with better support.
Thank you both for your replies. I am happy with 10 in general, but the as the performance, it seems the phone is not as fast as it was before
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Depends on the price you find, it's still a top-notch phone a year on, that's a testament to HTC's engineering team.
The phone was very fast already and now it's even faster with Pie, at least based on my past day so far. Battery life is now phenomenal with Pie, yesterday I got it off the charger around 7AM and after a regular day - w/ constant but medium or more use - I still had 15% after midnight. Also, support was great, they replaced my broken glass in 3-4 weeks.
Before the Huawei-mess I'd have said the P30 Pro is a better choice, mainly due to its camera, but with the current uncertain future of Huawei and the lower price of the U12+ I'd just buy this again.
isik_h said:
Hello guys,
I currently own a HTC 10, and i have it since 3 years. I plan to get a new phone, and i can't decide which one. I was thinking of U12+, but i can't try one as it does not exist on any electronic market physically.
Do you recommend HTC U12+ on 2019? What are your experiences? Is it still fast after new updates?
How are the side buttons? I am worried most about those.
Any answer is appreciated!!
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I was in the same boat a few weeks ago and finally pulled the trigger on a slightly used HTC U12+ for $430. It's a big upgrade over the HTC 10 and good value at that price but I wouldn't recommend it. The buttons are a pain, poor software support from HTC, limited developer support on sites such as xda, and edge sense is more likely to annoy you with false initiations than provide you with any sort of meaningful usability.
If only i would had the chance to have check the phone physically, that would have been perfect.
I am really worried about the side buttons. And i cant understand how HTC have done this.
Thanks everyone for your replies.
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I bought my U12+ this year for around 420USD, brand new. This is the current selling price in Southeast Asia for the 128gb version.
If you're an HTC fan, I will definitely recommend you to buy this but there are so many options out there worth your money.
I am kind of an HTC fan. I had Htc Mega as my first device, which was runnin Windows Mobile.
Later HTC One M8, which was a great device and i had it for 3 years.
Now i am using HTC 10, which is also a great phone with a good built quality.
I planning to change the device mainly for speed and better camera.
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szlevi said:
Depends on the price you find, it's still a top-notch phone a year on, that's a testament to HTC's engineering team.
The phone was very fast already and now it's even faster with Pie, at least based on my past day so far. Battery life is now phenomenal with Pie, yesterday I got it off the charger around 7AM and after a regular day - w/ constant but medium or more use - I still had 15% after midnight. Also, support was great, they replaced my broken glass in 3-4 weeks.
Before the Huawei-mess I'd have said the P30 Pro is a better choice, mainly due to its camera, but with the current uncertain future of Huawei and the lower price of the U12+ I'd just buy this again.
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I was also considering Huawei Mate 20 Pro, but after a brief search, i see that people are complaining about the screen problems. Especially that the screen turns green after a while.
Same goes for LG phones. Screen ghosting seems a standard issue.
Never liked Samsung, without any reason, just like that
I love the quality of HTC built phones. I wish that they launch a new flagship.
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isik_h said:
I planning to change the device mainly for speed and better camera.
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Camera is awesome especially compared to anything in its price range, it's a steal for the ~$400 others mentioned here.
isik_h said:
I am kind of an HTC fan. I had Htc Mega as my first device, which was runnin Windows Mobile.
Later HTC One M8, which was a great device and i had it for 3 years.
Now i am using HTC 10, which is also a great phone with a good built quality.
I planning to change the device mainly for speed and better camera.
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If for the cameras, then you are making a good decision. I photograph professionally and use my U12+ for light carry duties and have had numerous publications with it.
FYI I don't know much about it but the price/performance ratio is quite amazing, it's a great price for these specs: https://www.newegg.com/promotions/cellphone/19-2052/index.html
isik_h said:
Hello guys,
I currently own a HTC 10, and i have it since 3 years. I plan to get a new phone, and i can't decide which one. I was thinking of U12+, but i can't try one as it does not exist on any electronic market physically.
Do you recommend HTC U12+ on 2019? What are your experiences? Is it still fast after new updates?
How are the side buttons? I am worried most about those.
Any answer is appreciated!!
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If you haven't already bought it, I suggest you don't.
While it's a great phone at its price... It will lack longevity.
The phone is around 1.5 years old now - And HTC is already slow with software updates... Android 10 support on it is currently a gamble.
The HTC version of Android is also lacking in some key functionality compared to AOSP - Most notably lack of Navigation Gestures, lack of new Multitasking/Recent Apps screen, No "Users" support.
The best features of the phone truly are its audio quality and its camera quality. Everything else is on par with the competition, making it a great phone at its price.
But its software is lacking and its longevity is questionably.
Better yet, if you don't care about the camera, you could buy a much cheaper phone which doesn't have as good audio, but better software support and spend the difference in a pair of good headphones, and/or a set of bluetooth speakers.
Such as OnePlus, Xiaomi, Nokia, Oppo etc...
If you do care about the camera, you're stuck with Huawei and Xiaomi to get cheaper phones. Though OnePlus 7 Pro makes an appearance in DxOMark's top 5.
The OP7Pro in fact is probably the best recommendation I have for you at this moment in time, in the UK retail price is £649 for the 6GB / 128GB configuration.
That is £50 cheaper than HTC u12+ original launch price, but with a better screen, better camera, better processor, better software support.... Who cares is audio is worse, buy a decent pair of bluetooth headphone and loudspeaker and you've got a phone for the next 4 years.
I hope I've helped.
szlevi said:
Depends on the price you find, it's still a top-notch phone a year on, that's a testament to HTC's engineering team.
The phone was very fast already and now it's even faster with Pie, at least based on my past day so far. Battery life is now phenomenal with Pie, yesterday I got it off the charger around 7AM and after a regular day - w/ constant but medium or more use - I still had 15% after midnight. Also, support was great, they replaced my broken glass in 3-4 weeks.
Before the Huawei-mess I'd have said the P30 Pro is a better choice, mainly due to its camera, but with the current uncertain future of Huawei and the lower price of the U12+ I'd just buy this again.
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How much did it cost to replace the glass? Mine's shattered and I've heard it's really expensive. Can't decide if I should repair or just buy a cheap phone
Hey guys. I have decided to buy the phone and I have ordered a brand new U12+ for 380 Euros.
I think it is a good deal.
Thanks everyone for their help.
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Great choice!!!!! I never have any issues with the buttons and my 12 Is the greatest phone ever HTC has the best android skin by far you don't need the new navigation bar! You couldn't have made a better decision!!!!
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You are going to love it! But be careful it's a lot more fragile than your 10!!! GET A GOOD CASE
I got a case from Spigen. Hope it will be enough.
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How much did it cost to replace the glass? Mine's shattered and I've heard it's really expensive. Can't decide if I should repair or just buy a cheap phone
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Hi,
Attention where you have repaired! the best choice is direct from HTC! I had a screen replaced by a reputable repairer and back more sound! back again there the sound is OK, but the screen badly fixed and the edge is cracking! Expense of 300 € for nothing !!!

2 XL vs 4 XL Comparisons, Please Post Pros and Cons Here

Looking For Real World, Hands On Comparisons From Users Who Have Owned Both Devices.
I've read a few 4 XL reviews, but I rarely trust them anymore as it always seems real world user reviews here are quite different from the online reviews.
Since I am still running a 2 XL, rooted, EX kernel, TWRP, and Magisk, factory image though, I am hoping to get several actual users testimonies here from those who have / had a 2 XL and currently have a 4 XL.
My 2 XL is still plenty fast and really all I need, but wanting to see how much of a jump up the 4 XL really is from the 2XL to see if it's worth the $$$, as I know a lot of 2 XL owners waiting to hear what users think of the 4 XL.
I realize it will take a little time until a lot of folks have the 4 XL in their hands (1st batch ships in 3 days) , but I think the real user comparisons will be worth the wait!
Thanks in advance for the reviews and comparisons.
I've got the Taimen and am about to fire up my Flame here in a bit. First things I am going to do are photo comparisons.
I can tell you now, just looking at it while it is on the charger (and the charger in the box has the same specs as the charger I got with my Taimen, as well as the extra one I bought after I got my Taimen. So this one stays in the box ) - I love the smooth back. I got the Just black version, same as my Taimen also.
Thanks for starting this, I'll post back with more as I start using it.
andy6685 said:
Looking For Real World, Hands On Comparisons From Users Who Have Owned Both Devices.
I've read a few 4 XL reviews, but I rarely trust them anymore as it always seems real world user reviews here are quite different from the online reviews.
Since I am still running a 2 XL, rooted, EX kernel, TWRP, and Magisk, factory image though, I am hoping to get several actual users testimonies here from those who have / had a 2 XL and currently have a 4 XL.
My 2 XL is still plenty fast and really all I need, but wanting to see how much of a jump up the 4 XL really is from the 2XL to see if it's worth the $$$, as I know a lot of 2 XL owners waiting to hear what users think of the 4 XL.
I realize it will take a little time until a lot of folks have the 4 XL in their hands (1st batch ships in 3 days) , but I think the real user comparisons will be worth the wait!
Thanks in advance for the reviews and comparisons.
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I'm running basically same thing as you on my 2XL. Received my 4XL earlier today and 2 things that I noticed immediately were the display and sound. The display is noticeably better on the 4XL and the speakers are louder. Haven't really noticed a huge increase in speed, seems about the same compared to the 2XL. Face unlock works well and I'm already adjusting to no fingerprint scanner. The Soli gestures are kind of nice paired with the dock.
I just got my Pixel 4 XL yesterday; upgrading from Pixel 2 XL. Here are a few preliminary things I noticed when comparing the 2 phones:
1) The volume up and down buttons on the Pixel 4 make a louder click sound when pressed. Not drastically louder but enough for me to notice
2) Touchscreen on the Pixel 4 is so much better. I remember the Pixel 2's touch sensitivity and accuracy always lacking when compared to my old Nexus 6P, but they've fixed/improved it on the Pixel 4.
3) I miss the fingerprint unlock. I keep on putting my finger on the spot where the sensor used to be. Face unlock works fine most of the time, but takes longer in the dark and when I'm not upright (eg laying in bed). I also notice a few instances where I didn't want the phone to unlock but it unlocked itself as I was walking b/c I looked at it.
I have both and have the 2 XL at the side, I'm enjoying looking at the 2 XL screen, whites are white and colours are solid, good separation, my 4 XL is yellow tinted and colour separation doesn't look so good, for anyone who has both, boost your brightness up a bit then look how ****ty the greens look on WhatsApp, my 2 XL is superior to the 4 XL for colour separation go figure.
I have both and even though I've only had the 4xl for a day I am weavering towards the 2xl. The only thing better on the 4xl that I've noticed is sound quality. I have the gcam mod on the 2xl and the pictures look about the same. But I missed the finger print reader more than I thought I would. Especially when signing into my banking apps. Face unlock just doesn't feel right. I mean the damn thing turns on when you don't want it to if it sees your face lol. I've been using the 2xl for about 14 months. I still get great battery life out of it. I got lucky and have a perfect screen with no color shift or burn in. Comparing the screens I would say the 4xl is better. Then again it's a brand new phone it should be. It's hard to compare these phones mainly because of the length I have used a pixel 2xl. This is my 4th one I tried the 3xl but got rid of it in a month. And with the 4xl being so different the same may happen to it.
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I have both and even though I've only had the 4xl for a day I am weavering towards the 2xl. The only thing better on the 4xl that I've noticed is sound quality. I have the gcam mod on the 2xl and the pictures look about the same. But I missed the finger print reader more than I thought I would. Especially when signing into my banking apps. Face unlock just doesn't feel right. I mean the damn thing turns on when you don't want it to if it sees your face lol. I've been using the 2xl for about 14 months. I still get great battery life out of it. I got lucky and have a perfect screen with no color shift or burn in. Comparing the screens I would say the 4xl is better. Then again it's a brand new phone it should be. It's hard to compare these phones mainly because of the length I have used a pixel 2xl. This is my 4th one I tried the 3xl but got rid of it in a month. And with the 4xl being so different the same may happen to it.
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Is your 2 XL a good pure white one? I ask because mine is and it's just outright better than 4 XL for whites, the 4 XL in bright environments doesn't look too bad but when the lights fade in the evening at home in duller environments this yellow is standing out like a sore thumb.
I had a 2 XL until about a month ago, when I plugged it in and smoke came out of the charge port, after which it won't boot to recovery or OS. Used my old Nexus 6P while waiting for the 4 XL, which I brought home yesterday. Here are my thoughts on the 2 vs the 4:
4 XL pros:
-does not emit smoke (big pro)
-the telephoto camera
-better camera all round, thanks to the improved sensor they introduced with the Pixel 3
-screen is an upgrade in terms of refresh rate and viewing angles, both of which I do notice in regular use
-it's too slow for a mid-day top-up, but wireless charging is super convenient sitting at my desk or overnight
-the "awareness" features of soli (eg turning ambient off when you walk away) work really well
-the extra RAM makes a huge difference, apps get killed way less often and everything loads a bit faster
4 XL cons:
-yes face unlock is ridiculously fast, but it still takes some getting used to not being able to unlock my phone *before* I look at it - would've preferred to have a fingerprint reader on the back too
-white balance on the 2's screen was a bit cooler - personal preference but I like my whites more blue than yellow
-buttons on the 4 are a bit too hard to press
-miss my front-facing speakers even if the bottom-firing one is good quality
-soli gestures are hit-or-miss - maybe this'll be fixed with software updates but for now I can maybe trigger snooze on my alarm 1/3 times
It's all pretty minor stuff either way tbh. I don't know that I would've upgraded if I hadn't needed a new phone anyway, but I also don't think there's any reason not to. I think it comes down to the faster processor, extra RAM, and improved camera hardware - if those things are going to make enough difference for you to have a better daily experience, the other differences are all things you'll get used to easily enough.
Don't have my Pixel 4 XL yet but I think a reason for the noticable screen temperature difference is because the Pixel 2 XL was too cool. I have an October 2017 Pixel 2 XL and I definitely noticed cool white balance as well as the blue shift but I got over it. I'm sure I'll notice the warmer temperature on the Pixel 4 XL and I'll get used to it as well.
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I only upgraded my 2 XL because my contract was up for renewal and quite honestly there is not much difference between the two - The lack of fingerprint reader is not great, but face unlock is working really well. Having the screen totally off until you're near is cool and must be a battery saver, however soli gestures are daft and I wont be using them in public for fear of looking like a right tw*t. Wireless charging is about the only real winner for me. Have given my white 2 XL to my Mrs on loan, with the proviso that she looks after it like I did - after two years it still looks brand new, a testament to the build quality.
24 months between upgrades used to bring huge improvements in quality and features, but now it seems Google et al have run out of ideas and Moore's Law isn't making much of a dent on the industry.
I've had my Pixel 2XL for 2 years and it's been awesome, received my Clearly white 4XL yesterday and have been happy thus far...
Opinion:
-4XL looks better aesthetically and feels better in the hand. I've always loved metal phones vs glass however the matted rear of the 4XL just feels awesome. Makes me want to go case-less but that's too risky lol.
Face Unlock is better than the fingerprint scanner because it's more seamless but takes some getting use to because it's so fast and accurate you may unlock your phone when your goal was just to look at your lock screen to see the time. (Also it may take a day to get beyond the habit of trying to touch a fingerprint reader that isn't there lol and banking apps still need to be updated to take advantage of the face Unlock feature)
Facts:
- Camera is obviously a little better (yet I haven't spent a lot of time with it)
- Battery life has been solid so far (unfortunately I can't give further stats because I can't exactly remember them but my phone arrived at 55%, I set up phone, installed 100+ apps, was tinkering & checking out features and after 7 hrs total usage, 3 hrs SOT I was probably around 33% battery life)
-The screen looks a little sharper than the 2XL and the blacks have more contrast & are better lit at lower brightness (no black blob effect to my knowledge)
-Speakers were actually surprising, they definitely sound better than the 2XL, Fuller & clearer and an improvement over the front facing ones.
-Phone call ear piece sounds clearer and a bit louder.
-Soli Gestures worked at a 99% rate for me and felt natural, I don't know how often I will use but they worked
Other Things:
- I haven't been able to really tell a difference in regards to the 90hz yet
- Phone is really snappy with no hiccups but my 2XL was/is the same so no major difference.
That's all I really can think of so far... It's definitely an upgrade over the 2XL but is it a necessary upgrade is something only we can answer as individuals.
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Is your 2 XL a good pure white one? I ask because mine is and it's just outright better than 4 XL for whites, the 4 XL in bright environments doesn't look too bad but when the lights fade in the evening at home in duller environments this yellow is standing out like a sore thumb.
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I actually have 3 pixel 2xls and they all have excellent screens whites are very good. But the 4xl 8bhave has good whites as well. I've gone through a lot of pixel 2xls and have only kept the best of them. But with this 4xl I think I got lucky right away. I still may get rid of it though....
Yeah I'm not sure if I'm keeping it either now, someone spoke to Google from Reddit and Google say it's normal they use srgb colour profile, so either Google is lieing or people saying they have pure white screens think theres is white but it really isn't, a lot of won't even know the difference, so if it is Google's colour profile then I fear the worst, clock is ticking I have around 9 days left to decide.
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Yeah I'm not sure if I'm keeping it either now, someone spoke to Google from Reddit and Google say it's normal they use srgb colour profile, so either Google is lieing or people saying they have pure white screens think theres is white but it really isn't, a lot of won't even know the difference, so if it is Google's colour profile then I fear the worst, clock is ticking I have around 9 days left to decide.
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Google may add some settings in the future that would allow you to adjust that, like they did with the muted colors on the 2XL initially.
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Google may add some settings in the future that would allow you to adjust that, like they did with the muted colors on the 2XL initially.
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Who knows if they will but the fact it goes white on angle would suggest defect display I think.
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Don't have my Pixel 4 XL yet but I think a reason for the noticable screen temperature difference is because the Pixel 2 XL was too cool. I have an October 2017 Pixel 2 XL and I definitely noticed cool white balance as well as the blue shift but I got over it. I'm sure I'll notice the warmer temperature on the Pixel 4 XL and I'll get used to it as well.
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Pixel 4 XL on the left and Pixel 2 XL on the right. Definitely don't miss that blue shift.
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I have both the 2XL and the 4XL. Just picking up the devices off the table and using them, they're close enough to the same. You already know the differences from all the reviews, but just using the device, minimal difference in my use case. Having used the 2 and 4 at the same time, moving data between the two and checking congruence, the display is slightly different. I suppose if I had the option to buy the 4XL again, I'd just keep the 2XL. I do miss the fingerprint scanner though. And the free 'original quality uploads'.
How I justified buying the 4 to replace the 2;
better camera, and my son gets the 2XL to replace his clapped out Moto.
Maybe there is a crowd that thinks most things with smart phones are similar like the older generation does. Hell a coworker said his LG Stylo is just as fast as the best Android phones. It was 2 XL-OP 6-OP 6T- Note 9- 3 XL- OP 7 Pro- 4 XL on the Android side. That was just on my phone line. I'm not a part of that crown. When people said 1080P isn't noticeable it was to me. The same goes for 1440P and 90 Hz. Fast and smooth aren't the same thing. Side by side I have no problem with whites in the 4 XL and it isn't extremely blue. The fluidity and speed are definitely noticeable compared to the 2 XL. I even notice a slight difference from the 7 Pro and its more consistent. OP generally focuses on the speed side of things while Google does both. I think people that have had flagships from both each year would be able to see. I was bashing Google but missed my excellent camera so got this anyway. I kind of had to shut up though. Don't get me wrong though because I'm not letting them off the hook. Like Flossy Carter says its a love hate relationship lol. The camera quality definitely is noticed. The 3 XL I'd say slight. If someone asked should they hold on to the 2 or get the for its a no brainer. The overall feel and experience definitely flush out all the hate and shortcomings. The gestures work almost every single time and I use it allot especially when driving or cooking. i swore the battery would be trash but I'd live with it. I have 90 Hz forced around 60% brightness. Shoooo I've been on the phone most of the day with allot of web browsing. I have 3 hours screen usage and 52% battery left. The look is sleek and elegant. It feels good in the hands "ladies". These speakers are much better. One thing I haven't heard anyone talk about are the mics on this phone. others phones I've had I'd have on while showering. My lady can actually here me now and she comes through clear. This is with a shower on and the bathroom ceiling fan making noise. Going to the 2 XL from the 7 Pro when I was getting used to Pixel software in advance wasn't the worst thing ever but it was bad. trying to use it for a couple hours after getting the 4 XL was even worse. My complaint is Google easily could have killed these other phones out here by adding things that are standard for everyone else. A little bigger battery, storage, and wide angle and it would be a wrap. Better doesn't translate to market share and sales exactly but I bet it would have boosted things way more. Googles excuse is sufficient and telephoto is better. Damn then put 3 cameras in like even Apple has. whoever in the hardware team made decisions on battery storage and the wide angle need to be coached or fired. Anyway I'm off track. The 4 XL from the 2 is way worth it. This is coming from someone that bought into the media and hate going on. If I still had the 3 XL I would have passed without giving it a chance. I'm glad I had the 7 Pro and its "close enough to flagship camera".
Edit: all these things I talked about coming together as a whole make a really big difference.
A couple camera comparison pics. It's Pixel 2 XL then Pixel 4 XL.
For the bright outdoor pics, the greener grass might look better but the yellower one is more accurate.
For the indoor restaurant you can see the difference in the highlights (ceiling light, skylight, and background window). It's not blown out in the Pixel 4 XL.
Just some notes I've taken on what I've noticed during my first day:
- Screen doesn't have the blue shift!
- When 90 hz refresh rate is going, it's very, very smooth.
- Speakers are way louder, clearer, and have more range.
- The haptic feedback while typing is very good.
- 29 grams heavier without the case is noticable. I need to find a lighter case because it's up to 39 grams heavier than the Pixel 2 XL in it's lightest case.
- Out of the pocket, Face Unlock is technically slower than fingerprint scanner because I need to wake up the screen first. With fingerprint scanner, I can unlock while pulling it out. But when the phone is flat on something, the Motion Sense to turn on the screen already does make it very quick.
- Face Unlock is quicker and more convenient while the phone is in two handed typing position. No need to readjust to use the fingerprint scanner. Just take a second and it's recognized. It's very noticeable with LastPass which is probably the app that most frequently asks for verification.
- The 2 XL aged very well over two years and it still runs quickly but the 4 XL is just faster and smoother in every way. It's more reactive and there's less waiting for anything. All those fractions of a second add up to many seconds over times.
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Oh forgot to add it's nice to finally have voLTE and Sprint Visual Voicemail on Sprint.
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Question OP9 vs Pixel 5

Normally I always go for the top model of a phone that comes out, but this year is a little bit different.
I currently have a pixel 5 and I'm thinking of switching back to a OnePlus device. Before prices were officially announced, I had already set my mind on a 9 Pro.
However, here in Canada, the difference between the regular 9 and the 9 Pro is $500...
Aside from the price, I really like the fact that the regular 9 has a flat screen rather than curved edges. I hate any screen protector other than glass and there are no proper glass screen protectors for curved screens.
The reason I'm torn is because the camera setup is not the same on the regular 9, it does seem quite a bit inferior. It's using the same sensor as the 8 Pro and I think it's missing the telephoto camera entirely as well. It's also missing OIS, which I'm sure can't be good for video stabilization as well as low light photography.
However, the reason I'm still considering it is because I think it still may be an upgrade from my Pixel 5 in every area, except for the camera. I don't know how much better my Pixel 5 camera would be, compared to the OnePlus 9, or if they would come close enough where I wouldn't mind the subtle differences.
What does everyone else think? Anyone else out there with a pixel 5 and looking to switch? Unfortunate how big the price Gap is in Canada compared to the US. I think in the US the price difference is about $240, compared to Canada's $500.
Any opinions or feedback would be appreciated!
Not a Pixel 5 but a Pixel 2, I'm still using this phone as with Android 11 it's still a great phone...granted it does not have the high specs that most phones come with nowadays. But it's just the right size in my hand, works well except for poor battery life.
There are so many new phones out or coming soon...Asus Rog 5, Xiaomi range, Oppo Find X3, and now the OnePlus. A part of me still wants to hold out for the Sony Xperia 1 III if and when it is released....but I would really love a new phone now...not sure which one to go for or wait a while...I'm really leaning towards the OnePlus 9 pro...
I use my phone to make phone calls, Pixel 5 is unusable for call quality. I didn't buy a Pixel 5 but the only person I know who did returned his for that reason. And using his, I agreed with his decision. Google always makes cool phones but ultimately it's an undesirable phone. Pixel 4 physical design was a complete failure. Pixel 5's under screen speaker complete failure. I wish Google would just make the basics amazing, and stop doing dumb ****.
But even physical design Google failed with Pixel 5. That plastic finish is there because they had to do a cutout in the aluminum shell to allow for wireless charging and then covered up that hole with that resin. I swear, Google might have some of the dumbest designers.
I got the Oneplus 9 for $600. That's good enough for me, I think phones are phones. Spending over 1K is insane to me. And this phone should last me 3 years.
As for camera, I would be surprised if OP9 isn't an upgrade since all the reviews are saying in many times OP9 is head to head with Samsung and Apple, Pixel 5 fell behind in the game. I also am believer if camera quality isn't up to snuff, buy a camera... I have never seen a picture from a phone that is half as good as from a camera.
You say the camera is quite a bit inferior, reviews I've seen so far have said for the average user between OP9 and OP9 Plus would not know the difference between the pictures taken. I'm in that camp, I always assume phone camera pics are garbage. After all the rave reviews and hype for iPhone camera, I'm always amazed how bad the photos are. That's what I learned, regardless if it Samsung Ultra or Apple, it's always more suprising to me how bad the pictures are really not much better than a $500 phone's picture.
I think phones might be the biggest tech scams. Just think about how little you get for the money, they are horrific value. But they claim their profit margins are tight, I don't believe them considering their sales volume. Processor that can barely play games. Cameras that are reality worth $20 and nothing more. 6" screen. Horrific audio quality, from speaker and buds. Overall phones are horrific tech in terms of quality, and incredibly expensive.
After that rant, I seriously hope Google doesn't screw over their fans with Pixel 6 and release a solid phone and stop using their fans like guinea pigs for idiotic ideas with half baked implementation. Give them a phone that others can look at and think, gee if I didn't already buy (blank) I'd get that. They have failed with every single Pixel phone in that regard, especially when Oneplus has been doing exactly what Nexus and Pixel fans wanted.
Google should make phones that show Apple users Android can be beautiful, reliable, intuitive. Not making things like under glass speakers, hideous physical designs both front and back etc. Let the other manufacturers like Samsung experiment. Google Pixel should be the best that Android has to offer IMO.
I'm somehow in the same boat.
I've used the pixel 5 for some time and i slowly started missing a bigger screen and oxygen os but most of all decent sound quality so i started looking..
I tried s20fe 5g but traded it within a few weeks for a OnePlus 8t just to see if I'm in to Oneplus again. So far i really enjoy it, except i would love to have a slightly better camera.
So far I've seen quite some reviews of the 9 series and I'm thinking of switching.
I believe it's not the spectacle as they advertised it but it's a great device.
At least the normal 9, the differences with the pro are to little given the price difference.
Normally I would be waiting to see what Pixel 6 will be, but Google has never failed to do something that a Pixel phone would be unusable for me. They always do something stupid and seriously shaft their users. Like they could use better hardware but continue to use the same cameras for every Pixel year after year.
Appreciate all the feedback guys,
I understand your point about phone cameras not being as good as a dedicated camera, but the thing is it's not as convenient to lug around a dedicated camera for those quick shots you want to take. That being said, it's nice to have as good of camera as you, can given that it's on a phone.
In terms of the Pixel 5's design, I've never been one to be picky about a design of a phone in general so it's not an area of concern for me. I tend to throw a case on my phones anyways, so the design is a non-factor.
However, that under screen speaker is definitely a real thing and something that bugs me a lot. I don't consider the Pixel 5 having a stereo speaker setup because of how bad that top speaker is.
Phone calls are fine if you're in a quiet environment, but if outdoors it's very hard to hear the other person. It's not a good sign when a smartphone is having trouble doing its job as a phone...
This is one of the biggest, if not the biggest reason I want to switch over to the OnePlus 9. It has a dedicated cutout for that speaker grill and there's no nonsense of the speaker being under the screen.
Going back to that camera, it's not so much about the actual hardware as it is about image processing. Even though the Pixel 5 is using an older camera sensor, the pictures that come from it are incredible because of Google's image processing.
Looking up camera comparisons online, to my eye at least, the Pixel comes out with the better shot. It has a lot more contrast and vibrancy compared to OnePlus. There is also a lot more dynamic range and areas such as the sky are not as blown out as they look to be on the OnePlus 9.
I can probably get away with some of those issues by editing the picture after the fact, but sometimes, some aspects of a picture cannot be saved no matter how much editing is done to it.
I'm torn because it seems that in every other aspect, the OnePlus 9 is a superior device to the Pixel 5.
Many people have not complained about performance on the Pixel 5, but I have personally experienced lag and slow down from time to time. I am the type of user who tends to switch between apps and just generally navigate the UI very quickly, and I think sometimes the Pixel 5 has trouble keeping up with that.
After reading your replies though, I am starting to lean towards the OnePlus, as it seems like the pros far outweigh the cons, even though the one pro the Pixel has is of great value to me.
Any additional feedback or opinions are welcome of course, in the meantime I will continue thinking this decision over to see if it would be worth grabbing that OnePlus 9.
The way I see OP9 for me is it's the cheapest way to get premium hardware, $600 for me at least. The hardware and screen matters to me more than camera. And I truly believe among any of the phones $400 and above, most users won't see difference between photos taken on phones. They are all within that margin nowadays.
I truly hope Pixel 6 will offer premium hardware with solid software and no stupid gimmicks. Google offers are truly solid, awesome phone that doesn't use their users as beta testers for stupid ideas.
If so, then yeah I'd trade in the OP9 for a Pixel 6. Cause no question, Google makes the best software on Android platform still, best camera app, best phone and messaging apps and of course best Android experience. But Pixels always have really stupid ideas and treat their paying customers like unpaid beta testers. That's disrespectful.
Ended up caving and grabbed the OP9. As I mentioned in my previous post, there only seems to be one pro for the Pixel 5, which is the camera. In every other category, the OnePlus 9 outshines the Pixel 5.
Regardless of how much significance I hold to that one upside of the Pixel 5 (camera), all the pros for the OP9 made me think it makes more sense to go for the 9 instead.
Not to mention, that under-screen earpiece speaker is hard to deal with. Like @zymphad said, I can also look into the Pixel 6 and see if it's worth switching back to Google for. Otherwise I'll stick with the 9.
As a workaround for the OP9's camera, I can simply just take a handful of shots of whatever I am taking pictures of (hopefully getting one or two good shots out of the handful), and rely on apps like Snapseed for them to "pop" a bit more.
Looks like the phone is going to ship out today, should have it by next week! Thanks again for the input, everyone.
Mine arrived. At work, tomorrow will post modified boot.img to root. Little doubt phone will be great and the Haselblad hype ruined the phone release since the pics are up to stnadard with Samsung and Apple just does not live up to hype, IMO Haselblad failed and they only had one job to provide consistent natural colors across all footage and cameras.
OP9 is a must-skip for me. No dual sim for North America, bad fingerprint scanner, expected OnePlus camera flub, and base OP9 display has low DPI while OP9 Pro has a curve. For iPhone prices they aren't offering iPhone quality. Battery issues seem to be common too. My P5 will last another year.
Unsurprising you whine about a camera that so far from what I've seen from people who make a living reviewing Android phones, OP9 camera is now within the same league as Samsung, loses some, wins some.
Fingerprint reader hasn't failed for me, in all lighting conditions and environment so far. Love it, it's fast and precise.
Battery lol? It's the best in class, fastest charging and seems to last forever.
Whines about the display but bought a Pixel 5. Is this a joke?
For how I use my phone compared to the Pixel 5 failure. Honestly this isn't even vs OnePlus, this is just Pixel 5 being a failure compared to all competition, Samsung, Xiaomi, Oppo, OnePlus, etc.
I use my phone to text, make phone calls, watch youtube, netflix, gaming, reading forums / blogs / news, chatting on discord, sharing memes, listening to music. For what I use my phone, Pixel 5 is dead last compared to all other phones I considered sub $800.
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I have always been a Google phone fan, from the g1, og Nexus, Nexus 5, 6p, og pixel, 2xl, 3xl. I love the monthly update and the "pure os". But I just got a op9 from tmo (USA) for a great deal 1/2 off so it comes out to be about 360 over 2 years. For that price I'll deal with the shortcomings of the op9...
I know this is a little old, but I've had the Pixel 5 for a little less than a week and will be returning it. My last phone? OnePlus 6 that I got at launch. I also ordered a OnePlus 9 today.
It's the little things that just kill the Pixel 5 for me:
*Under screen speaker is awful
*The notification/ringer volume either can't be heard or can be heard by everyone, there's no middle ground.
*Can't remove Google Bar or Widget from the homescreen or lockscreen, and Nova keeps bugging out with gestures, so it's not even worth it sometimes.
*The processor. I've installed several apps that just sit there for a while after downloading and don't install for a few minutes. Unacceptable.
*have to switch hands to take a screenshot with the shortcut.
The size is great, but the lack of certain things that should be standard in 2021 is just flat out unacceptable even with some nicer things (call screening is phenomenal). I have a dream that one day all phones will be less than 6.2" so I'm not lugging a tablet around...
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I know this is a little old, but I've had the Pixel 5 for a little less than a week and will be returning it. My last phone? OnePlus 6 that I got at launch. I also ordered a OnePlus 9 today.
It's the little things that just kill the Pixel 5 for me:
*Under screen speaker is awful
*The notification/ringer volume either can't be heard or can be heard by everyone, there's no middle ground.
*Can't remove Google Bar or Widget from the homescreen or lockscreen, and Nova keeps bugging out with gestures, so it's not even worth it sometimes.
*The processor. I've installed several apps that just sit there for a while after downloading and don't install for a few minutes. Unacceptable.
*have to switch hands to take a screenshot with the shortcut.
The size is great, but the lack of certain things that should be standard in 2021 is just flat out unacceptable even with some nicer things (call screening is phenomenal). I have a dream that one day all phones will be less than 6.2" so I'm not lugging a tablet around...
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I'm right there with you on a lot of these points. That under screen speaker was just horrible. It's basically a mono speaker, I don't even consider that under screen speaker a speaker to be honest.
I like my big phones though so that's one area we see different but for the majority of it I pretty much switched for the same reasons.
OP9 has its deficiencies mostly in camera, lack of OIS and below average front camera that I NEVER use.
But sometimes it can shine.
Did you take that picture using Portrait Mode or PRO mode?
The only way to get 50MP is using the PRO mode on the app.
First Picture is PRO mode...
Second Picture is Portrait....
My Opinion. I prefer Oneplus over anything.
If your looking for specs yes, I can't believe I would say this but the "new" Red Magic 6R is only $499 and the specs are even higher..
But I'm a OnePlus user through and through. Wont ever change unless they go out of business.
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I'm right there with you on a lot of these points. That under screen speaker was just horrible. It's basically a mono speaker, I don't even consider that under screen speaker a speaker to be honest.
I like my big phones though so that's one area we see different but for the majority of it I pretty much switched for the same reasons.
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You know the microphone is under glass because it's water resistant. I agree though some of googles developers must be some real gems.

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